PS3 can't handle AI nearly as well as the 360?

http://gamers-creed.com/?p=315

""It's NEVER gonna come out on the PS3 or the Wii." It's a logical decision. Nintendo's console simply doesn't have the graphical horsepower, and he candidly told us how the PS3 can't handle AI nearly as well as the 360."

according to Ubisoft?....

sounds like bull to me

"Naruto cant be done on the PS3 or the wii"

ROFL

Why is it so shocking when basicly every multiplat is better on the 360. 360 has a better GPU and more ram.rybe1025

So the GPU creates the AI in a game right?

Naruto and Splinter Cell Conviction can be done on the PS3 but they have to develop the game from the ground up on the ps3 EPaul

Exactly.

obiviously there are some games that'll just do certain things that the other console can't do but i don't think we're quite there yet.

and yeah the 360 GPU doesn't handle A.I. calculations.

there are just ignorantdon_juvin

No, the 360 does handle AI better. People need to stop denying that the 360 has any strengths.

[QUOTE="don_juvin"]there are just ignorantkevy619

No, the 360 does handle AI better. People need to stop denying that the 360 has any strengths.

it has strengths... but come on... the ps3 should be able to handle Ai much better.... theoreticly..

[QUOTE="EPaul"]Naruto and Splinter Cell Conviction can be done on the PS3 but they have to develop the game from the ground up on the ps3 Filonus

Exactly.

obiviously there are some games that'll just do certain things that the other console can't do but i don't think we're quite there yet.

and yeah the 360 GPU doesn't handle A.I. calculations.

No, but its easier to program AI on general purpose cores.

Sounds like bull to me toozzzaaa

Yep. Total bull. Also, cel-shading graphics aren't more demanding as normal textures in games that use Unreal 3.0 engine or any other game.

[QUOTE="zzzaaa"]Sounds like bull to me tooSupafly1

Yep. Total bull. Also, cel-shading graphics aren't more demanding as normal textures in games that use Unreal 3.0 engine or any other game.

Do you know anything about how either console works? No, didnt think so.

Technically speaking, yes, the PS3 is limited when it comes to A.I. - the SPUs aren't the best tools for that job, which should be done on the PPU for greater efficiency, and the PS3 has only one of those compared to three general purpose cores on the 360. I'm not particularly sure it's enough of a limitation for today's games, though. A 3.2gHz processor is hardly weak, especially if it has five or six secondary cores handling the brunt of the number-crunching.

Then again, maybe Ubi knows more than the average poster here, and they did find a limitation. I'm not sure why would they state otherwise.

Technically speaking, yes, the PS3 is limited when it comes to A.I. - the SPUs aren't the best tools for that job, which should be done on the PPU for greater efficiency, and the PS3 has only one of those compared to three general purpose cores on the 360. I'm not particularly sure it's enough of a limitation for today's games, though. A 3.2gHz processor is hardly weak, especially if it has five or six secondary cores handling the brunt of the number-crunching.

Then again, maybe Ubi knows more than the average poster here, and they did find a limitation. I'm not sure why would they state otherwise.

Grive

Thank you, people are saying its bull because... they just know its bull! Nice to see someone post that knows what they are talking about.

Then again, maybe Ubi knows more than the average poster here, and they did find a limitation. I'm not sure why would they state otherwise.

Grive

I find that interesting.

Funny how people flat out disagree and call it rubbish. I wonder how many have made a computer game before for the 360 and ps3 and actually know better than this guy about what there talking about. XD

Bull on 2 accounts...

1 - Considering how AI works such can be perfomed in a flash game.

2 - ...Ubisoft? :lol:

Funny how people flat out disagree and call it rubbish. I wonder how many have made a computer game before for the 360 and ps3 and actually know better than this guy about what there talking about. XD

CreepyBacon

some peole actuelly know something about making games because they inform themselves.

Ps3 not being able to perform good Ai is ridiculous.

Bull on 2 accounts...

1 - Considering how AI works such can be perfomed in a flash game.

2 - ...Ubisoft? :lol:

Teh_Stevz

Splinter Cell

Assassins creed

Haze

Graw

RB6: vegas

Naruto

and many many more. Please do not look like a fanboy busting on ubisoft. They have a far better record then most people.

Bull on 2 accounts...

1 - Considering how AI works such can be perfomed in a flash game.

2 - ...Ubisoft? :lol:

Teh_Stevz

LOL, wow.

[QUOTE="CreepyBacon"]

Funny how people flat out disagree and call it rubbish. I wonder how many have made a computer game before for the 360 and ps3 and actually know better than this guy about what there talking about. XD

furtherfan

some peole actuelly know something about making games because they inform themselves.

Ps3 not being able to perform good Ai is ridiculous.

Thats not what Ubisoft said. They said the 360 handles AI better, not that the ps3 is completely useless.

Bull on 2 accounts...

1 - Considering how AI works such can be perfomed in a flash game.

Teh_Stevz

And what are you trying to state here? You do realize that "having A.I." is like saying "Having graphics"? The Atari 2600 had A.I. characters.

There are levels of A.I. from very simple to very complex. Any moron can do an "AI" routine that will either suck or be perfect, but making that believable and fully realistic without a very limited margin of operation is still beyond any console or PC.

some peole actuelly know something about making games because they inform themselves.

Ps3 not being able to perform good Ai is ridiculous.

furtherfan

Nobody said unable to perform good AI. The crux of the matter is if it can perform AI as good as the 360.

I pretty much only has to do with the CPU's power.., And the cell is much better then the Xbox 360's cpus so AI should be no real problem for PS3...

except for devs who say "can't handle" When it is infact they who can't handle developing for the console..

[QUOTE="Teh_Stevz"]Bull on 2 accounts...

1 - Considering how AI works such can be perfomed in a flash game.

2 - ...Ubisoft? :lol:rybe1025

*A list of games*

and many many more. Please do not look like a fanboy busting on ubisoft. They have a far better record then most people.

If you had any idea of how AI is build and how quickly it can be executed from a range of low-end machinery then you'd understand.

Flash may not be the best example but it has that capacity since it can be programmed to. The limitation it has is the fact it's built mainly for web content and has to keep in mind of those who don't have such bolstering hardware sticking out of every nook.

Though this might shine some light on how well the 360 performs running games along with the PS3.

I pretty much only has to do with the CPU's power.., And the cell is much better then the Xbox 360's cpus so AI should be no real problem for PS3...

except for devs who say "can't handle" When it is infact they who can't handle developing for the console..

omgimba

AI code is not the same as Folding code. AI is branching and memory intensive, not calculation intensive.

Funny how people flat out disagree and call it rubbish. I wonder how many have made a computer game before for the 360 and ps3 and actually know better than this guy about what there talking about. XD

CreepyBacon

Funny how people flat out agree and call it truth. I wonder how many have made a computer game before for the 360 and ps3 and actually know better than this guy about what there talking about. XD

[QUOTE="CreepyBacon"]

Funny how people flat out disagree and call it rubbish. I wonder how many have made a computer game before for the 360 and ps3 and actually know better than this guy about what there talking about. XD

furtherfan

some peole actuelly know something about making games because they inform themselves.

Ps3 not being able to perform good Ai is ridiculous.

by the way he didn't say PS3 can't perform good AI, u are completely changing what he said....

Naruto and Splinter Cell Conviction can be done on the PS3 but they have to develop the game from the ground up on the ps3 EPaul

[QUOTE="furtherfan"][QUOTE="CreepyBacon"]

Funny how people flat out disagree and call it rubbish. I wonder how many have made a computer game before for the 360 and ps3 and actually know better than this guy about what there talking about. XD

kevy619

some peole actuelly know something about making games because they inform themselves.

Ps3 not being able to perform good Ai is ridiculous.

Thats not what Ubisoft said. They said the 360 handles AI better, not that the ps3 is completely useless.

true, but i doubt that very much. i think the PS3 should be able to do it better. but i'm no professional, so i could be wrong.

[QUOTE="rybe1025"][QUOTE="Teh_Stevz"]Bull on 2 accounts...

1 - Considering how AI works such can be perfomed in a flash game.

2 - ...Ubisoft? :lol:Teh_Stevz

*A list of games*

and many many more. Please do not look like a fanboy busting on ubisoft. They have a far better record then most people.

If you had any idea of how AI is build and how quickly it can be executed from a range of low-end machinery then you'd understand.

there are many types of AI algorithms. some are more elaborate than others. some can run on low-end while others would such. I will say that game AI usually isn't really that complex. many times they are just choosing between a short list of states. the biggest obstacle i see is with branching and memory in these consoles.

If i we're all of you i'd wait to see howall these 2nd generation games realise the potential of both the 360 and ps3's capabilities.

To be fair on sony, most of the games that have been using EDGE tools have looked and moved better. killzone, uncharted, heavenly sword, ratchet

it's like others are saying if conviction was built ground up on the ps3 with the right tools it'd bea different game but it'd be equally as impressive.

ii'm just glad that this gen there isn't a massive gap seperating the two competiting heavyweights.

[QUOTE="Teh_Stevz"] :|

If you had any idea of how AI is build and how quickly it can be executed from a range of low-end machinery then you'd understand.Ontain

I pretty much only has to do with the CPU's power.., And the cell is much better then the Xbox 360's cpus so AI should be no real problem for PS3...

except for devs who say "can't handle" When it is infact they who can't handle developing for the console..

omgimba

Of course, it's not that simple. Not that you'd even try realizing that.

1.- It has to do with CPU code, but not all CPU code is made equal. The cell is a very specific processor.

2.- Stop with the "can't handle" BS. If someone can't handle a processor, then it's a poor statement of the processor first and the developer second.

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I'm not sure why would they state otherwise.

Grive

So Naruto has more complex AI then Assassin's Creed?

If 360 had CPU branch prediction I'd agree, but since it doesn't, there's no real advantage over Ps3 cpu.