PS3 can't handle AI nearly as well as the 360?

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#51 Primevil702
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Yeah, we'll see...

I think pretty much what he's saying, we suck, we can't do it.. it can't be done.

Pandemic Studios back when Mercs 2 was a PS3 only announced title they had this little interview about how they were using the SPU's of the PS3. Look at some of the past Ubisoft ports, they were poor excuses for games on the PS3 - some of their studios seem to be getting their act together however, which is true in GRAW2's case.

http://ps3.qj.net/QJ-Interview-Mercenaries-2-World-in-Flames/pg/49/aid/73531

""QJ: Have you got your engine up and running on the various SPU's? If so, how are you utilizing them?

Brown: The general purpose nature of the SPUs means they are useful in many situations, which is great! Mercenaries 2 is using the SPUs for many things ranging from the calculations for our water simulation to AI processing.""

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#52 -wii60-
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When sony developers say that some game is only possible on ps3 because of the cell and blu ray is true? but when some other devs says good things about the xbox360 hardware and tells that is only possible with 360 isn't true? fanboys :roll:
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#53 x-V1CTOR-x
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from the same people that said naruto cant run on ps3? i lol'd
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#54 deactivated-5f9e3c6a83e51
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How would you determine that? I view the 360 and ps3 as fairly comparable.
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#55 Teh_Stevz
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How would you determine that?sonicare

Seeing the AI in action. Apparently, things get dumber when running on the PS3. :P

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#56 -wii60-
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from the same people that said naruto cant run on ps3? i lol'dx-V1CTOR-x


They know more than u :roll: and this's another damage control thread from the cows just like the one trying to prove John Carmack wrong of what he said about the memory lack of the ps3.
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#57 -Wheels-
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First off, horrible sentence structure. Secondly, they wrote 350 instead of 360 for the video heading. Thirdly, they did not quote the part of PS3's AI not being as good, they simply put it in their own words. Lastly, it was a very short article with very little content from an un-accredited source. Don't believe everything you see on the Internet.

PS3 has a different structure than 360. If you build the game architecture for one system, it is often hard to fit it into the next. The ability of AI is up to the programmer alone, and not up to the system. PS3 may be harder to program for, making it harder to do the same AI on the PS3, but not impossible.

Should I be a SW teacher? I have to do this a lot.

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#58 snyper1982
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""It's NEVER gonna come out on the PS3 or the Wii." It's a logical decision. Nintendo's console simply doesn't have the graphical horsepower, and he candidly told us how the PS3 can't handle AI nearly as well as the 360."

according to Ubisoft?....

sounds like bull to me

furtherfan

Yet any dev saying something can't be done on the 360, is hunky dorey, and his word should be trusted implicitly. The difference is, Ubisoft is a 3rd party, where as the people claiming games can't be done on the 360 are 1st, or 2nd party devs.

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#59 furtherfan
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[QUOTE="furtherfan"]

""It's NEVER gonna come out on the PS3 or the Wii." It's a logical decision. Nintendo's console simply doesn't have the graphical horsepower, and he candidly told us how the PS3 can't handle AI nearly as well as the 360."

according to Ubisoft?....

sounds like bull to me

snyper1982

Yet any dev saying something can't be done on the 360, is hunky dorey, and his word should be trusted implicitly. The difference is, Ubisoft is a 3rd party, where as the people claiming games can't be done on the 360 are 1st, or 2nd party devs.

no, i didn't say that. YOU are saying that.

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#60 3picuri3
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gamers-creed is the worst sham of a gaming blog that exists.

if you're say, 10 years old, and can look past (or not notice) the serious grammatical and spelling errors with every single one of their stories then I guess it could be ok -- but even then, they're still terrible fanboys. it's like the worst posters from SW decided to start a blog - and honestly I wouldn't be suprised if that's what happened.

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#61 Shaqneel
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Sounds like bull to me toozzzaaa
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#62 Grive
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The ability of AI is up to the programmer alone, and not up to the system.

-Wheels-

This is a lie, just so you know.

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#63 MADVLAD123
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I've heard this myth too. It was in some interview about Assassin's Creed. Said how the crowd was a bit smarter on the 360's version.

Sounds like lazy developing to me. But then again, that is one of the PS3's main weakness. The hard-to-develop-for cell.

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#64 furtherfan
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I've heard this myth too. It was in some interview about Assassin's Creed. Said how the crowd was a bit smarter on the 360's version.

Sounds like lazy developing to me. But then again, that is one of the PS3's main weakness. The hard-to-develop-for cell.

MADVLAD123

that's true.

but they are helping out with all kinds of tools now.

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#65 jimm895
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Let's think about this. Sony has just released the EDGE tools for developers to use in developing games so it will take a little time for the games to make use of these tools and release much better games in the future. As for the 360 it has limited the developers in what they can do in the future.
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#66 walkerctranger
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what Ai could this game possible have that ps3 couldnt handle??? what? sasuke cant pull of the chidori correctly or something? i dont get it.
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#67 JiveT
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PS3 is a mess to work with. "Its too complex just waitfor the untapped power of the Cell" . Face it little moo moo's its not all that. Every major developer has proven that the 360 is the most powerful and easiest system to design games on and that's what counts in reality. Not the dream world of neverbe that Sony execs have drilled into your brain.

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#68 ImagineGamer
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Who actually gives a crap.OGTiago
cows
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#69 Scarletred
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Point of this topic. lol Factor 5 said 360 couldn't handle Lair.
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#70 Red_26
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[QUOTE="EPaul"]Naruto and Splinter Cell Conviction can be done on the PS3 but they have to develop the game from the ground up on the ps3 thefjk

True... even a game specifically developed for the wii, wont play as well when poreted to other consoles... they need to be made from ground up! This gen the consoles are so different that you can't just port stuff!

guys right, last gen gc, xbox, and ps2 where pretty similar, practically same cpu and gpu so porting was much better and easier

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#71 Giancar
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"Naruto cant be done on the PS3 or the wii"

ROFL

whocares4peace

that made me laugh too :lol:

ubisoft :roll:

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#72 x-V1CTOR-x
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meh, they just jealus cause' they know their game sucks when compared to MGS4.
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#73 mgsbethatgame
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well that guys fails at life
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#74 snyper1982
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there are just ignorantdon_juvin

Says the man who can't form a proper English sentence.

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#75 snyper1982
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Naruto and Splinter Cell Conviction can be done on the PS3 but they have to develop the game from the ground up on the ps3 EPaul

Prove it. Oh wait, you can't. I can trust you or the dev.... Hmmm tough choice.

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#76 snyper1982
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[QUOTE="kevy619"]

[QUOTE="don_juvin"]there are just ignorantfurtherfan

No, the 360 does handle AI better. People need to stop denying that the 360 has any strengths.

it has strengths... but come on... the ps3 should be able to handle Ai much better.... theoreticly..

Why should it?

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#77 Dreams-Visions
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haha complete bull...ejstrup
are you a developer?
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#78 Nugtoka
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Sounds like a experienced developer not willing to make excuses for a console maker like all its fanboys will.
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#79 Dreams-Visions
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meh, they just jealus cause' they know their game sucks when compared to MGS4.x-V1CTOR-x
well that guys fails at lifemgsbethatgame
[QUOTE="whocares4peace"]

"Naruto cant be done on the PS3 or the wii"

ROFL

Giancar

that made me laugh too :lol:

ubisoft :roll:

Let's think about this. Sony has just released the EDGE tools for developers to use in developing games so it will take a little time for the games to make use of these tools and release much better games in the future. As for the 360 it has limited the developers in what they can do in the future. jimm895

so wait...we have lots of developers who post in System Wars now? I mean, you guys speak with so much confidence, I must think you have PS3 dev kits in your office...and post here in your spare time. amirite?

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#80 Infinatey
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Why is it so shocking when basicly every multiplat is better on the 360. 360 has a better GPU and more ram.rybe1025
Are you 12? The GPU has nothing to do with AI.
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#81 snyper1982
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[QUOTE="snyper1982"][QUOTE="furtherfan"]

""It's NEVER gonna come out on the PS3 or the Wii." It's a logical decision. Nintendo's console simply doesn't have the graphical horsepower, and he candidly told us how the PS3 can't handle AI nearly as well as the 360."

according to Ubisoft?....

sounds like bull to me

furtherfan

Yet any dev saying something can't be done on the 360, is hunky dorey, and his word should be trusted implicitly. The difference is, Ubisoft is a 3rd party, where as the people claiming games can't be done on the 360 are 1st, or 2nd party devs.

no, i didn't say that. YOU are saying that.

No, MANY cows say that.

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*Goes back to playing Streets of Rage on his Megadrive wondering what all the fuss is about*
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#83 snyper1982
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Let's think about this. Sony has just released the EDGE tools for developers to use in developing games so it will take a little time for the games to make use of these tools and release much better games in the future. As for the 360 it has limited the developers in what they can do in the future. jimm895

LOL. The edge tools have been out for quite a while now. I find it funny that cows defend the fact that the PS is hard to dev for and spin it to make it look like a good thing, because games will get better as devs figure it out. How about if the PS3 were easy to dev for from the start, then you wouldn't have tons of delays, crappy ports, etc. until the devs learn how to use the tools. I would consider that a good thing, I guess that would be logical though.

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#84 furtherfan
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[QUOTE="furtherfan"][QUOTE="snyper1982"][QUOTE="furtherfan"]

""It's NEVER gonna come out on the PS3 or the Wii." It's a logical decision. Nintendo's console simply doesn't have the graphical horsepower, and he candidly told us how the PS3 can't handle AI nearly as well as the 360."

according to Ubisoft?....

sounds like bull to me

snyper1982

Yet any dev saying something can't be done on the 360, is hunky dorey, and his word should be trusted implicitly. The difference is, Ubisoft is a 3rd party, where as the people claiming games can't be done on the 360 are 1st, or 2nd party devs.

no, i didn't say that. YOU are saying that.

No, MANY cows say that.

yep

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#85 furtherfan
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[QUOTE="rybe1025"]Why is it so shocking when basicly every multiplat is better on the 360. 360 has a better GPU and more ram.Infinatey
Are you 12? The GPU has nothing to do with AI.

Ha, exactly