ps3 cheaper then 360

stop saying ps3 needs a price cut and learn math (note the 360 is an arcade)

PrinceofSarcasm

I don't know what your math teacher taught you but $400 > $300 > $200.

What about DS3 ADD $50.00 to that, add HD cables $10.00,What about blu ray movies, you need blu-Ray films to take full advantage of the blu-Ray player that's another $30.00 down the toilet.. and for god sake Are you 8 years old? You can't even spell Cheaper..:roll:foreverflame890

ds3 comes with the ps3 bundled now, add the HD cables to the 360 too ................. also were not talking about movies but speaking of with at a full $ 150 -300 (anything less is a lower profile) blu ray player to the 360 then a $ 30.00 movie down the toilet for them.

also are you 8 you cant add:roll:

[QUOTE="PrinceofSarcasm"]

stop saying ps3 needs a price cut and learn math (note the 360 is an arcade)

Blackbond

I don't know what your math teacher taught you but $400 > $300 > $200.

[QUOTE="Kickinurass"]

[QUOTE="PrinceofSarcasm"] if you had giant image adding the total prices together of the current gen consoles would you deny that to..................I guess thats a yesPrinceofSarcasm

That chart completely ignores the 20 gig harddrive offered by Microsoft.

Why? because it completely destroys Sony's argument.

Is it alright to feel depressed that a company of Sony's legacy released such a horrid, senseless statement?Verge_6

I tried using the wifi for online with my PS3, downloading anything sucked! Hard wiring is faster. Whats the point if I can get it done quicker? Just to say it's there? I could run to the sink and fill a pot of water then dump it in the toilet to flush it, why should I if there's a flush handle. Job finished faster.cainetao11

its wireless G same as the 360s

Okay, here we go.

Xbox 360 Arcade: $199

20 GB HDD + 3 months of Live through MS: $30

12 month Xbox Live Gold: $40 on Amazon

Final cost: $270

So, we have an Xbox 360, with a hard drive and 17 months of Live (12 month cards give you an extra month for free and you get one month free with a new Live account creation)

If you're really desperate for wireless play, I found a nice wireless router that can be set up for use as a bridge for $35. So, we've got a final cost of $305 which is still $95 less than the cheapest PS3. Try to refute the math all you want, the bottom line is, the most anyone will have to spend to play Xbox 360 games is $199 and that's it. You can add all of the add ons you want to justify the PS3's high price, but it doesn't matter. None of them are required and only serves to weaken your argument.

The_Game21x

So you have to use a wireless bridge? Thats crap. What if you wanna play at a friends house? I dont want to bring a wireless bridge. Wifi should have been standard. Wifi is standard in about every piece of electronic equipment other than the xbox. That is hardly the reason for the ps3's price tag. You can get computer wifi network cards for under $20. The only reason m$ didnt include it was to overcharge you for it. Its all about profits.

You should also include either the charging kid for the joystick or a years supply of batteries in your math. The ps3 comes with a charging cable and if you want another one you don't have to buy some official Sony cable. Any generic $2 one will work.

*sigh*

When will these price comparison threads finally stop?

The_Game21x

Unless System Wars starts requiring basic econ and business 101 classes as prerequisites for posting then never.

[QUOTE="PrinceofSarcasm"]

[QUOTE="bez2083"] At the end of the day people will spend their money however they choose to. Does a PS3 offer more bells and whistles than a 360? Yes. Do a great deal of those affect the GAMING experience? No. Play your console and stop worrying about how the next man spends his dollar.bez2083

this is system wars comparing and arguing is what happens.

[QUOTE="cainetao11"]It's all personal preference. If you add up the chart, yes 360 is costlier. I would only add up the chart if I felt I needed all that. I also had to buy a $50 HDMI cable in order to enjoy the almighty power of blu ray games or movies on my PS3. Why are no Sony fans addressing this when it is brought up repeatedly? If Blu Ray is such a selling point for the PS3 why not allow HD play back out of the box? I enjoy my PS3 and my 360, but not including the cost of what I think should be a basic component included(other blu ray players include HD cables)in this chart is stupid.Mr_Ditters

You know you can get an hdmi cable for like $4 right?

The circumstances are slightly different, yet I feel this comic is relevant to show how these kinds of price comparisons fail.

http://www.choice.com.au/viewArticle.aspx?id=106346&catId=100245&tid=100008&p=5&title=Computers%27+energy+costs

Take notes cows ownage straight from the Tag Champs Partner in Dreamsvisions.

Your PS3 uses a lot more energy then an Xbox 360. If you didn't know the energy difference is $57 between the two. Which is also $7 more then the difference of a yearly subscription of LIVE. So you're XBL jacks up the price past the PS3 theory has been debunked.

Wifi is not required to game online. Quite honestly I'd feel embarrassed to do any serious gaming over wireless anyways. I'm definately not going to be able to play a fighting game online over wireless.

You can get refurbished HDD's directly from MS for $30

I mean serioulsy this argument is so old its 2006 old and if you people hadn't realized the consumers around the world obviously aren't taking the bit so I don't know why you are?

Any and all hopes of " But but teh XBL fees!" Throw them out the window. That price has been negated. At the end of the day a consumer can play pretty much the same library of games for half the price. Oh its true its damn true.

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

Okay, here we go.

Xbox 360 Arcade: $199

20 GB HDD + 3 months of Live through MS: $30

12 month Xbox Live Gold: $40 on Amazon

Final cost: $270

So, we have an Xbox 360, with a hard drive and 17 months of Live (12 month cards give you an extra month for free and you get one month free with a new Live account creation)

If you're really desperate for wireless play, I found a nice wireless router that can be set up for use as a bridge for $35. So, we've got a final cost of $305 which is still $95 less than the cheapest PS3. Try to refute the math all you want, the bottom line is, the most anyone will have to spend to play Xbox 360 games is $199 and that's it. You can add all of the add ons you want to justify the PS3's high price, but it doesn't matter. None of them are required and only serves to weaken your argument.

Mr_Ditters

So you have to use a wireless bridge? Thats crap. What if you wanna play at a friends house? I dont want to bring a wireless bridge. Wifi should have been standard. Wifi is standard in about every piece of electronic equipment other than the xbox. That is hardly the reason for the ps3's price tag. You can get computer wifi network cards for under $20. The only reason m$ didnt include it was to overcharge you for it. Its all about profits.

You should also include either the charging kid for the joystick or a years supply of batteries in your math. The ps3 comes with a charging cable and if you want another one you don't have to buy some official Sony cable. Any generic $2 one will work.

Do you have to use the wireless bridge? nope, but the option is there if you want it. You can speculate as to why MS didn't include wi-fi in the Xbox 360 (because that's all you can do) but it doesn't really matter. Quite frankly, I'm glad I have the option to buy it if I want it.

And okay, fine, add the $18 play and charge kit to that. It's still some $77 cheaper than a Playstation 3. That's more than enough to get a game to go alongside the one comes bundled with the Arcade 360 to begin with.

show people a chart of just add ons and they take it to the extremePrinceofSarcasm

[QUOTE="PrinceofSarcasm"]show people a chart of just add ons and they take it to the extremeBlackbond

[QUOTE="foreverflame890"]What about DS3 ADD $50.00 to that, add HD cables $10.00,What about blu ray movies, you need blu-Ray films to take full advantage of the blu-Ray player that's another $30.00 down the toilet.. and for god sake Are you 8 years old? You can't even spell Cheaper..:roll:PrinceofSarcasm

ds3 comes with the ps3 bundled now, add the HD cables to the 360 too ................. also were not talking about movies but speaking of with at a full $ 150 -300 (anything less is a lower profile) blu ray player to the 360 then a $ 30.00 movie down the toilet for them.

also are you 8 you cant add:roll:

1. How many more time has this topic got to be proven wrong till cows get the picture?

[QUOTE="cainetao11"]I tried using the wifi for online with my PS3, downloading anything sucked! Hard wiring is faster. Whats the point if I can get it done quicker? Just to say it's there? I could run to the sink and fill a pot of water then dump it in the toilet to flush it, why should I if there's a flush handle. Job finished faster.PrinceofSarcasm

its wireless G same as the 360s

[QUOTE="PrinceofSarcasm"]show people a chart of just add ons and they take it to the extremeBlackbond

[QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="PrinceofSarcasm"]show people a chart of just add ons and they take it to the extremeVerge_6

Verge with so many of these topic I really want some kind of hand axe with an econ book on the end so I could behead these arguments with lol. I mean seriously this crap is 2006 and we are in 2009. What do people think we're stupid and weak minded lol?

[QUOTE="PrinceofSarcasm"]show people a chart of just add ons and they take it to the extremeBlackbond

[QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="PrinceofSarcasm"]show people a chart of just add ons and they take it to the extremeVerge_6

[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="Blackbond"] Add ons aren't required to play games. Hence why they are called add-ons and not requirements.Blackbond

Verge with so many of these topic I really want some kind of hand axe with an econ book on the end so I could behead these arguments with lol. I mean seriously this crap is 2006 and we are in 2009. What do people think we're stupid and weak minded lol?

[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="Blackbond"] Add ons aren't required to play games. Hence why they are called add-ons and not requirements.PrinceofSarcasm

[QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="PrinceofSarcasm"]show people a chart of just add ons and they take it to the extremePrinceofSarcasm

If someone wanted the capabilities of a PS3, why would they get a 360?

And if they wanted the capabilities of a 360, why would they add on a whole bunch of stuff just to make their system equal to a PS3, when that isn't what they want?

[QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="PrinceofSarcasm"]show people a chart of just add ons and they take it to the extremePrinceofSarcasm

[QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="PrinceofSarcasm"]show people a chart of just add ons and they take it to the extremePrinceofSarcasm

all Im saying is that to get the same experience that you get with the ps3 you must get these addons which up the 360 price above the ps3

My lord you sound exactly like a Sony exec lol? But to get the same experience you need! This and that this and that a couple of those and some of these.

Obviously the way the PS3 is selling people don't want the same experience. Video game consoles were created to play games. You don't need add-ons to play games and the sooner you understand that then well yeah.

I don't need all that crap to play my games. Did you need to buy a 1080P tv for blu-ray? A dual shock 3? HDMI Cables? for your PS3?

Did you need to buy a gaming rig to go along side your PS3 to get the 360 expereince? No you didn't.

I like how you didn't address my energy cost statement as well.

[QUOTE="PrinceofSarcasm"][QUOTE="Blackbond"] Add ons aren't required to play games. Hence why they are called add-ons and not requirements.sonicmj1

If someone wanted the capabilities of a PS3, why would they get a 360?

And if they wanted the capabilities of a 360, why would they add on a whole bunch of stuff just to make their system equal to a PS3, when that isn't what they want?

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]

[QUOTE="Verge_6"] Dude, add-ons ARE requirements...duh.Verge_6

Verge with so many of these topic I really want some kind of hand axe with an econ book on the end so I could behead these arguments with lol. I mean seriously this crap is 2006 and we are in 2009. What do people think we're stupid and weak minded lol?

[QUOTE="PrinceofSarcasm"][QUOTE="Blackbond"] Add ons aren't required to play games. Hence why they are called add-ons and not requirements.T-Aldous

to get close to the the functionality of the ps3 you must buy the 360 addons. A liveless 360 with no hardrive (or with a 20gb one) cant compare in overall functions to the ps3.

[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]

Verge with so many of these topic I really want some kind of hand axe with an econ book on the end so I could behead these arguments with lol. I mean seriously this crap is 2006 and we are in 2009. What do people think we're stupid and weak minded lol?

bez2083

You can get a 20GB HDD and 3 months of LIVE Gold for 30 bucks.DonPerian

to get close to the the functionality of the ps3 you must buy the 360 addons. A liveless 360 with no hardrive (or with a 20gb one) cant compare in overall functions to the ps3.

PrinceofSarcasm

360 = $200

20GB HDD = $30

XBL - $50 yearly/PS3 energy cost is $57 more then 360's yearly meaning that the price is negated.

Pay attention to the links and information posted.

[QUOTE="DonPerian"]You can get a 20GB HDD and 3 months of LIVE Gold for 30 bucks.PrinceofSarcasm

I've been doing just that with my 20GB launch. Hasn't stopped me..

[QUOTE="DonPerian"]You can get a 20GB HDD and 3 months of LIVE Gold for 30 bucks.PrinceofSarcasm

Cost of XBL for three years $150

Cost of playing PS3 for three years compared to 360. $171

Oh wait someone saved $21 with his 360 didn't they.

[QUOTE="PrinceofSarcasm"]

to get close to the the functionality of the ps3 you must buy the 360 addons. A liveless 360 with no hardrive (or with a 20gb one) cant compare in overall functions to the ps3.

Blackbond

360 = $200

20GB HDD = $30

XBL - $50 yearly/PS3 energy cost is $57 more then 360's yearly meaning that the price is negated.

Pay attention to the links and information posted.

to get close to the the functionality of the ps3 you must buy the 360 addons. A liveless 360 with no hardrive (or with a 20gb one) cant compare in overall functions to the ps3.

PrinceofSarcasm

So why doesn't the PS3 have to match the 360's functionality? It can't serve as a Windows Media Center Extender. It can't stream Netflix movies from the web. It can't allow you to chat with 8 of your friends at once while you all play different games. Devices for each of these ought to be added to the price tag, by the criteria you have established.

Or we could take this to its logical conclusion. A major element of the functionality of a console is the games it plays. A 360 can't play PS3 games like Metal Gear Solid 4 or Uncharted, right? So the only way to make them equivalent would be to buy a PS3. Otherwise, their functionality is not identical. Obviously, a PS3 is also not equivalent to a 360, because it can't play 360 games like Halo 3 or Gears of War 2. Should we add the cost of a 360 to the PS3's price tag?

There's a reason we don't do things this way.

[QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="PrinceofSarcasm"]

to get close to the the functionality of the ps3 you must buy the 360 addons. A liveless 360 with no hardrive (or with a 20gb one) cant compare in overall functions to the ps3.

PrinceofSarcasm

360 = $200

20GB HDD = $30

XBL - $50 yearly/PS3 energy cost is $57 more then 360's yearly meaning that the price is negated.

Pay attention to the links and information posted.

Fine then would you like me to use my older data then? Either way you lose. Each model of the 360 that came out alongside the PS3 sku at the given time is more energy efficent.

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You know you've seen it. It happens like clock work every now and then when something big goes down prior. The whole notion that 360 is more expensive then the PS3 in the long run. Remember this key word. The long run.

Now when you walk into a store that sells video games and you go ahead and look at Xbox 360's you'll see.

• Arcade = $199
• Pro = $299
• Elite = $399
• PS3 20 GB = $399

So then you ask yourself. Where oh where do these people find the logic that a system that has two SKU's under $399 is more expensive then one that is $399?

Well here is your answers.

Apparently when you buy a 360 YOU MUST BUY

• Wifi Adapter
• XBL 5 years
• AA Batteries
• Used to be HD-DVD
• ect

Yada yada you get the picture.

Bottom line I'm sure you get the picture. Most people have grown out of this and have become more educated on the subject finally realizing that YES YOU DON'T NEED all of that stuff nor do you need it to play games. Hell you might as well say a Hermit needs a PC that can max everything.

On to the next. Now we get the, but but teh XBL costs $50 a year and over a 5 year span its $250!!! Man holy hell. Now things are getting outrageous. People confusing intial cost of hardware with a service that is applicable to the system. Then we have to hear about PSN is free blah blah blah yada yada then we have to here but teh XBL is better! yada yada yada. And then we have to hear about PC gaming provides it free! Even though these people who supposively have high end PC's to play PC/360 titles still praise PSN at then end of the ball game.

Anyways....

If you're really so consumed over this whole price thing and all you do is rely on this argument over and over and over like its RROD I would like to provide you with some interesting data concerning THE REAL HIDDEN COST of these consoles :twisted:

No BlackBond isn't going to do what he normally does. Which is trap the otherside within their own logic with claims such as.....

• HDMI Cables
• Upgrade to Dual Shock 3
• 1080P TV for that oh so precious Blu-Ray
• Qore
• Headset

Because hell I'm not subscribing to Qore. I'm not buying HDMI cables for my PS3, and I'm not going to even watch Blu-Ray movies.

But BlackBond doesn't have no HDTV

Essentially what I'm saying is I don't need a HDTV, QORE, or HDMI to enjoy PS3 (I need games lol cause I don't have any PS3 ones yet haha)

BACK TO MY POINT

You want to complain about the costs of XBL then oh you're so going to love this....

PS3 COSTS $247 A YEAR TO RUN

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Now I know I know. But BlackBond that doesn't mean anything. Because we don't know about the 360's power consumption. But don't worry B^2 is gonna take care of you.

Electricity Cost Xbox 360
Watts 173.83
Hours Per Day Used 4.0
Kilowatt Hour Cost ($) 0.08
Days Used 300.00
Your Daily Cost Will Be $0.06
Your Monthly Cost Will Be $16.69

Electricity Cost Other PS3
Watts 201.07
Hours Per Day Used 4.0
Kilowatt Hour Cost ($) 0.08
Days Used 300.00
Your Daily Cost Will Be $0.06
Your Monthly Cost Will Be $19.30

360 yearly cost $16.69 x 12 = $200.28

PS3 yearly cost $19.30 x 12 = $231.60

Energy cost different $231.60 - $200.28 = $31.28

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Give or take the minor differences between the two sources of data I'm sure you still see where I am going with this. The difference in power cost does make a differnce over the course of the year.

But BlackBond even with the power cost XBL $50 a year minus PS3 $31.28 of increased energy cost over the 360 is only $18.72.

Indeed, but really people you are going to complain about an insignificant $18.72 a year? That sounds kind of silly to me. Silly because you will be using your PS3 to charge your controllers not to mention the time you spend watching Blu-Ray movies. Makes it a little interesting now when you factor your PS3 usage into charging that controller and watching your Blu-Ray huh?

Now considering the price of entry into buying each system, the gap between them, combined with the difference between XBL going against the increased cost of energy consumption by the PS3. Yeah I think its time to throw this silly argument out the window. But then again even though the energy costs pretty much cancels out XBL costs, PSN doesn't cancle out XBL's superiorty over it....But yeah I won't really touch on that.

Bottom line there is no room to really complain on this subject anymore. The small difference in money of $18.72 over even 5 years is less then the price difference of both products. And if you're one of the people that say you don't pay for your own electricity then I guess someone else is going to say that their parents whoever are paying for their XBL. Money is money no matter where it comes from.

BlackBond has spoken

EDIT:

I know I said I'd leave the movie watching data out of this but now I decided to add it. Which really makes things a lot worse for the PS3. Part of the reason why I didn't include it. You saw the difference in the gaming side of things. Now check this.

PS3 uses +50 Watss of power when watching DVDs

Blu-Ray consumes +60 Watts of power over DVD and Blu-Ray movies power consumption is equal to that of playing your Xbox 360.

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This thread is finished.

[QUOTE="PrinceofSarcasm"][QUOTE="DonPerian"]You can get a 20GB HDD and 3 months of LIVE Gold for 30 bucks.Blackbond

Cost of XBL for three years $150

Cost of playing PS3 for three years compared to 360. $171

Oh wait someone saved $21 with his 360 didn't they.

50$ + 360 electricity bill > then newer efficent 399 ps3s electricity bill

[QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="PrinceofSarcasm"]

to get close to the the functionality of the ps3 you must buy the 360 addons. A liveless 360 with no hardrive (or with a 20gb one) cant compare in overall functions to the ps3.

PrinceofSarcasm

360 = $200

20GB HDD = $30

XBL - $50 yearly/PS3 energy cost is $57 more then 360's yearly meaning that the price is negated.

Pay attention to the links and information posted.

ha the only why lems can fight back is by searching the web for power consumption charts:lol:

live + 360 power consumption still is greater then > the ps3s power consumption (newer models are even more efficient)

ha the only why lems can fight back is by searching the web for power consumption charts:lol:

live + 360 power consumption still is greater then > the ps3s power consumption (newer models are even more efficient)

PrinceofSarcasm