PS3 doesn't have any good looking open world games.

inFamous, GTA4, RDR, MAG, Mafia 2. All these games look worse on PS3. Or at least below average. There isn't a single open world game that seems to use the fabled "powar of teh cell".

Cows, please stop calling these developers "lazy". Rockstar and Sucker Punch are not "lazy". The cell is not designed for these open world environments.

That is because only linear games can take advantage of the cell processor. The SPU's are useful in scripted and controlled situations while the 360's cpu can handle any task on any of its three cores.

spacesheikh

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Carmack himself also said a month ago that he could make RAGE superior on ANY console but on ps3 they have to put much more effort to maintain 60fps.Not only that,he said that on anything strictly graphical 360 has edge over ps3.guess 360 is more powerful...

Bus-A-Bus

What do you mean overall?He said on graphical side,thats what we are arguing.Sure Cell is much better Cpu than Xenon but so is RSX,much weaker than Xenos.When you take everything in account,fact that you have to use alot of spus to help RSX it seems they are fairly equal,as games show.

so lets compare what happens in a core vs spe, if you want it to be able to shift loads around, its much much more efficient using the 360. The xenon has a unified cache, so when the core is done with a job and needs to work on something else, it just goes to another pointer in cache. If that original job all of a sudden is needed again, a different core can just grab the pointer and start running it.

The SPE is a little different, if you want to shift loads its a little slower. When you want a new job you have to load it from memory first. If all of a sudden another SPE has to load it in it needs to get the data and store it in local memory first, So you're moving a lot more data around when its made up of random loads instead of just storing the address's like the 360 where all the cores can just grab w/e is necessary when its free. This effect with loading data is similar to "cache thrashing"

A way to solve this is making the CELL more strict where the SPE's are given one job and thats all she wrote. But theres a problem, the SPE's will be horribly underutilized while they are waiting for their specific job to be needed. I'll admit the PS3 is more powerful but it requires data to be all set and ready to go to reach its peak. Scripted scenes you know exactly whats going to happen and where for the most part so its easier to make sure all the SPE's are happy, by avoiding the cache thrashing and underutilization.

The peak power of the ps3 is harder to achieve not only because its hard to develop for but requires more conditions to be met. the 360 might have a lower peak but will leverage its efficiency to maintain higher throughputs on average.

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inFAMOUS 2? :?

Bus-A-Bus

Same "problem"...They chose design that fits the system.Small draw distance...just look at the video of IF2 and you will see.

They look good, but not as good as 360.

I hope people don't bring up inFamous as the best, it looks good but 360 RDR owns that game so much.

inFamous 2 will look great though, it's about time too.

There haven't been any better looking Open World games on the PS3 that I can think of. Infamous is an exclusive, and is the ugliest open world game I can think of at the moment.

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[QUOTE="spacesheikh"]

inFamous, GTA4, RDR, MAG, Mafia 2. All these games look worse on PS3. Or at least below average. There isn't a single open world game that seems to use the fabled "powar of teh cell".

Cows, please stop calling these developers "lazy". Rockstar and Sucker Punch are not "lazy". The cell is not designed for these open world environments.

That is because only linear games can take advantage of the cell processor. The SPU's are useful in scripted and controlled situations while the 360's cpu can handle any task on any of its three cores.

Advid-Gamer

First thing first, Mag is not an open world game.

Second, Infamous Isn't a bad looking game.

thrid GTAIV was fine on PS3.

Fourth do you have any proof of that?

Again Prove it with some links, you made a claim now back it up

Again I want lots and lots of proof, due to the fact your making bold claims here man.

The proof is there for all to see, what about rdr? Gta4 looked fine but not as good as it did on the 360. Where is yout poof and links to say the ps3 dosenthave worse looking open world games, you dont have any, we should all just use common sense and look at the games.

Assassin's Creed II looks great, is open world, and there's no difference between the 360 and PS3 versions.

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EDIT: Isnt Rage supposed to look better on the ps3? Because of better quality textures. I guess you lost that one too.

SaltyMeatballs

Not sure but John Carmack just has some stuff to say between both version

ahhh, sw. i just don't understand the obsession with graphics. in most cases, the difference is going to be negligible. if one cares that much about graphics, they should just game on PC.

Agreed, but they look good enough.

RDR, Infamous 1/2, Assassin's Creed 1/2, etc etc.

[QUOTE="darthogre"]LOL, and your proof that X360 has better looking open world games??? Let me guess Crackdown, bahahahahaha.spacesheikh

I guess that means the 360 doesn't have any good looking FPS or TPS because Killzone 2 and Uncharted 2 smash the competition.

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EDIT: Isnt Rage supposed to look better on the ps3? Because of better quality textures. I guess you lost that one too.

Bazooka_4ME

Not sure but John Carmack just has some stuff to say between both version

Just gave a second chance to the demo and loved it. It has some brilliant details and gun play is actually pretty nice!

edit: wrong thread, sorry :P

Teh PS3 doesn't have teh Grafix! There 4 it SUXORZ! :P

That's a really lame argument.

Because crackdown looks SOOOO amazing?

dvalo9

There haven't been any better looking Open World games on the PS3 that I can think of. Infamous is an exclusive, and is the ugliest open world game I can think of at the moment.

AmayaPapaya

This is like one of the best PR pictures I can find of Crackdown 2

Looks better than Infamous right? :roll:

Crackdown2 looks terrible!!!

Thankfully we already know 360 is capable of this

[QUOTE="spacesheikh"]

inFamous, GTA4, RDR, MAG, Mafia 2. All these games look worse on PS3. Or at least below average. There isn't a single open world game that seems to use the fabled "powar of teh cell".

Cows, please stop calling these developers "lazy". Rockstar and Sucker Punch are not "lazy". The cell is not designed for these open world environments.

That is because only linear games can take advantage of the cell processor. The SPU's are useful in scripted and controlled situations while the 360's cpu can handle any task on any of its three cores.

khoofia_pika

I love how sony fans downplay this issue, but will jump at the chance to post pics of KZ or uncharted and even compare graphics to Crysis. No one here ever seems to speak the truth, it was fun for a while but this whole Cow, lemming, hermit, sheep defend your console of choice or pc to the death even if I am wrong is really old. I guess I forget most of the posters here are kids and there is no point in arguing with them.

Crackdown2 looks terrible!!!

Thankfully we already know 360 is capable of this

[QUOTE="khoofia_pika"][QUOTE="spacesheikh"]

inFamous, GTA4, RDR, MAG, Mafia 2. All these games look worse on PS3. Or at least below average. There isn't a single open world game that seems to use the fabled "powar of teh cell".

Cows, please stop calling these developers "lazy". Rockstar and Sucker Punch are not "lazy". The cell is not designed for these open world environments.

That is because only linear games can take advantage of the cell processor. The SPU's are useful in scripted and controlled situations while the 360's cpu can handle any task on any of its three cores.

Advid-Gamer

I love how sony fans downplay this issue, but will jump at the chance to post pics of KZ or uncharted and even compare graphics to Crysis. No one here ever seems to speak the truth, it was fun for a while but this whole Cow, lemming, hermit, sheep defend your console of choice or pc to the death even if I am wrong is really old. I guess I forget most of the posters here are kids and there is no point in arguing with them.

inFAMOUS2 says hello. yes its not out yet but when it is out it'll say hello.

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Crackdown2 looks terrible!!!

Thankfully we already know 360 is capable of this

clone01

I havent played the full game but going by the demo it looked like a last gen game to me. Still i believe it´s a fun game when played in coop.

[QUOTE="spacesheikh"]

inFamous, GTA4, RDR, MAG, Mafia 2. All these games look worse on PS3. Or at least below average. There isn't a single open world game that seems to use the fabled "powar of teh cell".

Cows, please stop calling these developers "lazy". Rockstar and Sucker Punch are not "lazy". The cell is not designed for these open world environments.

That is because only linear games can take advantage of the cell processor. The SPU's are useful in scripted and controlled situations while the 360's cpu can handle any task on any of its three cores.

lucky_star

EDIT: Isnt Rage supposed to look better on the ps3? Because of better quality textures. I guess you lost that one too.

Um GTA IV and RDR look great on ps3, and especially with GTA IV there's little noticeable difference between it and the 360 version

I thought RDR looked horrid on PS3 at first, but then realized it was my friends tv and the way he had his color set up, because it looks amazing on mine, and big deal there's not as full of a shadow on a bush 10 feet away from me, I'll still kill my horse and skin it then call it back 2 minutes later and have just as much fun >: (

Oh and Infamous might not be great looking, but its an amazing game, and doesn't look bad to me, just has zero anti aliasing.

Um GTA IV and RDR look great on ps3, and especially with GTA IV there's little noticeable difference between it and the 360 version

I thought RDR looked horrid on PS3 at first, but then realized it was my friends tv and the way he had his color set up, because it looks amazing on mine, and big deal there's not as full of a shadow on a bush 10 feet away from me, I'll still kill my horse and skin it then call it back 2 minutes later and have just as much fun >: (

MrJack3690

Infamous may be rather jaggy but it sure goes nuts when it comes to particle effects. Moreso than any other open world game on consoles.

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Um GTA IV and RDR look great on ps3, and especially with GTA IV there's little noticeable difference between it and the 360 version

I thought RDR looked horrid on PS3 at first, but then realized it was my friends tv and the way he had his color set up, because it looks amazing on mine, and big deal there's not as full of a shadow on a bush 10 feet away from me, I'll still kill my horse and skin it then call it back 2 minutes later and have just as much fun >: (

IAMSERIAL

Wow you were fast to reply troll, ok I'll feed you

Yeah the point of this thread is that PS3 doesn't have ANY good looking open world games, when those games infact look great, on both consoles, and no GTA IV isn't Obviously better looking, trust me they're almost identical, now RDR is noticeable, but that's cause of the foliage looks slightly better, and you'd still need to see them side by side to really notice the difference.

Those games are obviously better looking on the 360 which is the point of this thread...not whether or not YOU think they look good enough.IAMSERIAL

No, the point of this thread is for the TC to argue that the, "PS3 doesn't have any good looking open world games". The 360 shouldn't have anything to do with open world games looking good on the PS3. They may not look as good on the PS3, but that doesn't mean that they don't look good.

Crackdown2 looks terrible!!!

Thankfully we already know 360 is capable of this

PAL360

Ohh wait, it seems like the PS3 is just as capable too

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Because crackdown looks SOOOO amazing?

zero_snake99

There haven't been any better looking Open World games on the PS3 that I can think of. Infamous is an exclusive, and is the ugliest open world game I can think of at the moment.

AmayaPapaya

This is like one of the best PR pictures I can find of Crackdown 2

Looks better than Infamous right? :roll:

Forgot about Crackdown. However Infamous doesn't look much better at all. This is just me judging from that screen BTW.

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

Crackdown2 looks terrible!!!

Thankfully we already know 360 is capable of this

Animal-Mother

Ohh wait, it seems like the PS3 is just as capable too

Pfff....capable of the subHD version??

im joking man. Like i allways say, im sure that with work, both consoles are capable of the exact same graphics.

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Um GTA IV and RDR look great on ps3, and especially with GTA IV there's little noticeable difference between it and the 360 version

I thought RDR looked horrid on PS3 at first, but then realized it was my friends tv and the way he had his color set up, because it looks amazing on mine, and big deal there's not as full of a shadow on a bush 10 feet away from me, I'll still kill my horse and skin it then call it back 2 minutes later and have just as much fun >: (

MrJack3690

Wow you were fast to reply troll, ok I'll feed you

Yeah the point of this thread is that PS3 doesn't have ANY good looking open world games, when those games infact look great, on both consoles, and no GTA IV isn't Obviously better looking, trust me they're almost identical, now RDR is noticeable, but that's cause of the foliage looks slightly better, and you'd still need to see them side by side to really notice the difference.

All those games you mentioned look fine, most of them about as good as their 360 counterparts, except for the games you mentioned that don't have a 360 counterpart. What's your reasoning behind Crackdown 1 and 2 looking so awful if not lazy devs?

I could say the same thing about the 360, considering I find open world games to be traditionally meh looking.

inFamous, GTA4, RDR, MAG, Mafia 2. All these games look worse on PS3. Or at least below average. There isn't a single open world game that seems to use the fabled "powar of teh cell".

Cows, please stop calling these developers "lazy". Rockstar and Sucker Punch are not "lazy". The cell is not designed for these open world environments.

That is because only linear games can take advantage of the cell processor. The SPU's are useful in scripted and controlled situations while the 360's cpu can handle any task on any of its three cores.

Don't forget Fallout 3 look and ran worst on the PS3 compared to the 360.