Ps3 going beyond Pc's capabilities?

Not this crap again, i dont feel like explaining how many flaws and limitations MLAA has again, so just leave it as: No.
ferret-gamer

It's not a miracle cure, but it's damn good at removing edge aliasing. And it does it in a way that actually scales, unlike MSAA. 4x and 8xMSAA just starts to get stupidly wasteful in terms of memory, bandwidth, and performance when deferred rendering is used.

Also metro 2033's Analytical Anti-aliasing is extremely similar to MLAA and accomplishes about same yet you dont see anyone saying that it is some almighty anit aliasing solution.ferret-gamer

BHAHAHAHAHAAHA OH GOD i seriously banged my head on my desk laughing after reading that, so much PR nonsenseGTR2addict

That is not PR and is not say by Sony.

[QUOTE="GTR2addict"]BHAHAHAHAHAAHA OH GOD i seriously banged my head on my desk laughing after reading that, so much PR nonsenseEltormo

That is not PR and is not say by Sony.

I fail too see how a console with only 256mb of RAM can beat a PC.

My i7 > Cell Processorsz

My 5870 > RSXXX

1 GB VRAM > 256 MB VRAM

6 GB RAM > 256 MB RAM

1000 year old PC > PS3

That's because they're not the same at all.

Teufelhuhn

From 4A games:It doesn't have explicit edge-detection. The closest explanation of the technique I can imagine would be that the shader internally doubles the resolution of the picture using pattern/shape detection (similar to morphological AA)

I agree plus Move owns anything on the PC, :lol:the PC the only one without motion controls.

Dolohov27

I agree plus Move owns anything on the PC, :lol:the PC the only one without motion controls.

Dolohov27

you have proof?clone01

The PS3 is truly an amazing piece of hardware that is surprising everyone as time passes. Digital Foundry recently conducted an interesting analysis on the tech used in the game Saboteur, which revealed that the PS3 is capable of producing something even a high-end PC graphics card has difficulty with.

http://gamer.blorge.com/2010/01/05/ps3-smoothing-beyond-that-of-high-end-pc-graphics-card/

If you would have read the first page before jumping fast asking for proof you would have know is not an article from Sony,and that is done by Digital Foundry on some technique use on game Saboteur.

My i7 > Cell Processorsz

My 5870 > RSXXX

1 GB VRAM > 256 MB VRAM

6 GB RAM > 256 MB RAM

1000 year old PC > PS3

erglesmergle

1,000 old PC i don't think you mean the one with those specs right.?

Because the i7 was release on the end of 2008 november if i am not mistaken and the 5870 on september 2009 i think,hardly what i consider a 1000 year old PC,now i have a 7600GT card and a AMD dual core 2.2 and my PC can't output PS3 graphics,and the 7600GT OC was release on 2006,my PC is hardly 4 years old and can't match my PS3.

all of you should learn how to read and think:

"effectively delivering an effect better than the capabilities of high-end GPUs without crippling performance"

yess pc's can do mlaa, but that comes at a heftier cost to, according to the dev,high-end GPUs

edit: it just means the ps3 is more efficient in running mlaa

According to

this article, the Ps3 can work marvels.

"The PS3 rendition of Pandemic's The Saboteur is different though. It's special. It's trying something new that's never been seen before on console, or indeed PC, and its results are terrific. In a best-case scenario you get edge-smoothing that is beyond the effect of 16x multi-sampling anti-aliasing, effectively delivering an effect better than the capabilities of high-end GPUs without crippling performance. Compare and contrast with Xbox 360 hardware, which tops out at 4x MSAA."

This is either BS because if that was true, 1st party devs should be able to make games that outperform anything on Pc, or it is the truth, making people scream "what a shame!" due to the fact that no one has really showed what the Cell is really capable of in outperforming even high-end gaming rigs.

what's your take? I tend to believe that it's just the ability of great devs such as Naughty Dog and Santa Monica that are able to find the right compromises in order to make their titles look so good, still not good enough to beat out games like Crysis.

another interesting article about the use of the SPUs

Metroid_Other_M

title is incredible misleading and without thought.

According to

this article, the Ps3 can work marvels.

"The PS3 rendition of Pandemic's The Saboteur is different though. It's special. It's trying something new that's never been seen before on console, or indeed PC, and its results are terrific. In a best-case scenario you get edge-smoothing that is beyond the effect of 16x multi-sampling anti-aliasing, effectively delivering an effect better than the capabilities of high-end GPUs without crippling performance. Compare and contrast with Xbox 360 hardware, which tops out at 4x MSAA."

This is either BS because if that was true, 1st party devs should be able to make games that outperform anything on Pc, or it is the truth, making people scream "what a shame!" due to the fact that no one has really showed what the Cell is really capable of in outperforming even high-end gaming rigs.

what's your take? I tend to believe that it's just the ability of great devs such as Naughty Dog and Santa Monica that are able to find the right compromises in order to make their titles look so good, still not good enough to beat out games like Crysis.

another interesting article about the use of the SPUs

Metroid_Other_M

In reference to http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-saboteur-aa-blog-entry and I quote.

"In the meantime, what we have is something that's new and genuinely exciting from a technical standpoint. We're seeing PS3 attacking a visual problem using a method that not even the most high-end GPUs are using."

Eurogamer didn't factor in AMD's http://developer.amd.com/gpu_assets/AA-HPG09.pdf

It was later corrected by Christer Ericson, director of tools and technology at Sony Santa Monica and I quote

"The screenshots may not be showing MLAA, and it's almost certainly not a technique as experimental as we thought it was, but it's certainly the case that this is the most impressive form of this type of anti-aliasing we've seen to date in a console game. Certainly, as we alluded to originally, the concept of using an edge-filter/blur combination isn't new, and continues to be refined. This document by Isshiki and Kunieda published in 1999 suggested a similar technique, and, more recently, AMD's Iourcha, Yang and Pomianowski suggested a more advanced version of the same basic idea".

AMD's Iourcha, Yang and Pomianowski's papers refers to http://developer.amd.com/gpu_assets/AA-HPG09.pdf

To quote AMD's paper "This filter is the basis for the Edge-Detect Custom Filter AA driver feature on ATI Radeon HD GPUs".

(Insert yet-anotherfanboy PS3 website)"not even the most high-end GPU are using" assertion would be wrong. From top to bottom GPUs, current ATI GPUs supports Direct3D 10.1 and methods menstioned AMD's AA paper.

So teh Cell had hidden powa to be tapped all along. Who knew 2006 technology would be better than 2010 technology?

Mystic-G

all of you should learn how to read and think:

"effectively delivering an effect better than the capabilities of high-end GPUs without crippling performance"

yess pc's can do mlaa, but that comes at a heftier cost to, according to the dev,high-end GPUs

edit: it just means the ps3 is more efficient in running mlaa

crimsonsabre

It's just a noise statement. As with any working system, one must pool the entire system computation power together.

Doing image base AA on SPEs willconsume computation resource.

[QUOTE="erglesmergle"]

My i7 > Cell Processorsz

My 5870 > RSXXX

1 GB VRAM > 256 MB VRAM

6 GB RAM > 256 MB RAM

1000 year old PC > PS3

1,000 old PC i don't think you mean the one with those specs right.?

Because the i7 was release on the end of 2008 november if i am not mistaken and the 5870 on september 2009 i think,hardly what i consider a 1000 year old PC,now i have a 7600GT card and a AMD dual core 2.2 and my PC can't output PS3 graphics,and the 7600GT OC was release on 2006,my PC is hardly 4 years old and can't match my PS3.

[QUOTE="Mystic-G"]

So teh Cell had hidden powa to be tapped all along. Who knew 2006 technology would be better than 2010 technology?

ronvalencia

And was as expensive as a PS3 without,online play,Blu-Ray drive,ethernet port,wifi,HDD,control,and you still need it a great PC to put it in,since you will not put that card on 2006 on a low or mid level PC and spec to get the mots out of it.

[QUOTE="erglesmergle"]

My i7 > Cell Processorsz

My 5870 > RSXXX

1 GB VRAM > 256 MB VRAM

6 GB RAM > 256 MB RAM

1000 year old PC > PS3

Eltormo

1,000 old PC i don't think you mean the one with those specs right.?

Because the i7 was release on the end of 2008 november if i am not mistaken and the 5870 on september 2009 i think,hardly what i consider a 1000 year old PC,now i have a 7600GT card and a AMD dual core 2.2 and my PC can't output PS3 graphics,and the 7600GT OC was release on 2006,my PC is hardly 4 years old and can't match my PS3.

[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"]Not this crap again, i dont feel like explaining how many flaws and limitations MLAA has again, so just leave it as: No.
Teufelhuhn

It's not a miracle cure, but it's damn good at removing edge aliasing. And it does it in a way that actually scales, unlike MSAA. 4x and 8xMSAA just starts to get stupidly wasteful in terms of memory, bandwidth, and performance when deferred rendering is used.

Also metro 2033's Analytical Anti-aliasing is extremely similar to MLAA and accomplishes about same yet you dont see anyone saying that it is some almighty anit aliasing solution.ferret-gamer

[QUOTE="Eltormo"]

[QUOTE="erglesmergle"]

My i7 > Cell Processorsz

My 5870 > RSXXX

1 GB VRAM > 256 MB VRAM

6 GB RAM > 256 MB RAM

1000 year old PC > PS3

ronvalencia

1,000 old PC i don't think you mean the one with those specs right.?

Because the i7 was release on the end of 2008 november if i am not mistaken and the 5870 on september 2009 i think,hardly what i consider a 1000 year old PC,now i have a 7600GT card and a AMD dual core 2.2 and my PC can't output PS3 graphics,and the 7600GT OC was release on 2006,my PC is hardly 4 years old and can't match my PS3.

Now you can do that on 2006 the card alone was $500+ without the PC to put it in dude,some people forget that the PS3 is 4 years old.

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"][QUOTE="Mystic-G"]

So teh Cell had hidden powa to be tapped all along. Who knew 2006 technology would be better than 2010 technology?

And was as expensive as a PS3 without,online play,Blu-Ray drive,ethernet port,wifi,HDD,control,and you still need it a great PC to put it in,since you will not put that card on 2006 on a low or mid level PC and spec to get the mots out of it.

You can do MLAA on PC CPU, if you don't mind using a few spare cores. In fact it was originally developed by Intel for CPU's. It just happens to be something the SPU's are really good at, and GPU's aren't.

Teufelhuhn

According to the same Intel MLAA paper(image based AA), GPUs are also suitable devices.

To quote Intel,Page 4/8 from http://visual-computing.intel-research.net/publications/papers/2009/mlaa/mlaa.pdf

We did not try to implement other MLAA steps using SSE® instructions
(though it might be possible to do it using SSE4
operations), opting instead for preserving the universal nature of
the algorithm. The upcoming Larrabee chip [Seiler et al. 2008], as
well as modern GPU cards, are capable of handling 8-bit data
extremely efficiently, so our algorithm will benefit from porting to
these architectures.

does anyone have the link of beyond3D where they do the GPU comparisons and explain the importance of the SPE'S?

Metroid_Other_M

I ussually store my repeated postings on my GS blog.

For today's raster workloads, the RSX/Geforce 7 is an aging GPU.

From http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=57736&page=5

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"I could go on for pages listing the types of things the spu's are used for to make up for the machines aging gpu, which may be 7 series NVidia but that's basically a tweaked 6 series NVidia for the most part. But I'll just type a few off the top of my head:"

1) Two ppu/vmx units
There are three ppu/vmx units on the 360, and just one on the PS3. So any load on the 360's remaining two ppu/vmx units must be moved to spu.

2) Vertex culling
You can look back a few years at my first post talking about this, but it's common knowledge now that you need to move as much vertex load as possible to spu otherwise it won't keep pace with the 360.

3) Vertex texture sampling
You can texture sample in vertex shaders on 360 just fine, but it's unusably slow on PS3. Most multi platform games simply won't use this feature on 360 to make keeping parity easier, but if a dev does make use of it then you will have no choice but to move all such functionality to spu.

4) Shader patching
Changing variables in shader programs is cake on the 360. Not so on the PS3 because they are embedded into the shader programs. So you have to use spu's to patch your shader programs.

5) Branching
You never want a lot of branching in general, but when you do really need it the 360 handles it fine, PS3 does not. If you are stuck needing branching in shaders then you will want to move all such functionality to spu.

6) Shader inputs
You can pass plenty of inputs to shaders on 360, but do it on PS3 and your game will grind to a halt. You will want to move all such functionality to spu to minimize the amount of inputs needed on the shader programs.

7) MSAA alternatives
Msaa runs full speed on 360 gpu needing just cpu tiling calculations. Msaa on PS3 gpu is very slow. You will want to move msaa to spu as soon as you can.

Post processing
360 is unified architecture meaning post process steps can often be slotted into gpu idle time. This is not as easily doable on PS3, so you will want to move as much post process to spu as possible.

9) Load balancing
360 gpu load balances itself just fine since it's unified. If the load on a given frame shifts to heavy vertex or heavy pixel load then you don't care. Not so on PS3 where such load shifts will cause frame drops. You will want to shift as much load as possible to spu to minimize your peak load on the gpu.

10) Half floats
You can use full floats just fine on the 360 gpu. On the PS3 gpu they cause performance slowdowns. If you really need/have to use shaders with many full floats then you will want to move such functionality over to the spu's.

11) Shader array indexing
You can index into arrays in shaders on the 360 gpu no problem. You can't do that on PS3. If you absolutely need this functionality then you will have to either rework your shaders or move it all to spu.

Etc, etc, etc...

Not this crap again, i dont feel like explaining how many flaws and limitations MLAA has again, so just leave it as: No. Also metro 2033's Analytical Anti-aliasing is extremely similar to MLAA and accomplishes about same yet you dont see anyone saying that it is some almighty anit aliasing solution.ferret-gamer

I fail too see how a console with only 256mb of RAM can beat a PC.

clyde46

I don't buy it...you cannot compare a reduced-performance 7800 GTX (DX 9.0c) against the nVidia GT 400 Series, which can run all DX versions.

Can't compare the PS3's CPU against an Intel Core CPU either.

Console technology is 5 years old.

Where does it say "only the PS3 can do this"? All I'm seeing is they tried it on the PS3 and haven't put it on the PC yet... and didn't Pandemic shut down after The Saboteur?

From 4A games:It doesn't have explicit edge-detection. The closest explanation of the technique I can imagine would be that the shader internally doubles the resolution of the picture using pattern/shape detection (similar to morphological AA)

ferret-gamer

On the opposite end of the scale, DX11 introduces bandwidth saving BC6H and BC7 texture compression formats. Both ATI and NVIDIA DX11 support BC6H and BC7 at hardware level.

ronvalencia

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]

You can do MLAA on PC CPU, if you don't mind using a few spare cores. In fact it was originally developed by Intel for CPU's. It just happens to be something the SPU's are really good at, and GPU's aren't.

ronvalencia

According to the same Intel MLAA paper(image based AA), GPUs are also suitable devices.

To quote Intel,Page 4/8 from http://visual-computing.intel-research.net/publications/papers/2009/mlaa/mlaa.pdf

We did not try to implement other MLAA steps using SSE® instructions
(though it might be possible to do it using SSE4
operations), opting instead for preserving the universal nature of
the algorithm. The upcoming Larrabee chip [Seiler et al. 2008], as
well as modern GPU cards, are capable of handling 8-bit data
extremely efficiently, so our algorithm will benefit from porting to
these architectures.

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

On the opposite end of the scale, DX11 introduces bandwidth saving BC6H and BC7 texture compression formats. Both ATI and NVIDIA DX11 support BC6H and BC7 at hardware level.

Teufelhuhn

Refer http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ee416559(VS.85).aspx

Compute Shader 4.0 (on ATI/NV DX10.X hardware) accelerated BC6H/BC7 encoding/decoding.

Refer http://www.microsoftgamefest.com/london2010.htm

Block Compression Smorgasbord

DXT ****block compression has become a de facto standard for most textures in games. We will cover several topics of recent interest in this area:

1. Fast block compression. With some optimization effort, real-time block compression is feasible, on either the CPU or the GPU. Real-time compression opens up a host of possibilities for disk space reduction and dynamic texture updates.

2. Normal map compression. Block compression was designed for color data but adapted for use with normal maps. The results are not always pretty. What usage patterns should be favored, or avoided, in this context?

3. New block compression formats. DirectX 11 introduced two brand new formats: BC6H for HDR textures and BC7 for high quality LDR textures. We discuss how and when these formats should be employed, and how to handle the enormous search space for compression

http://www.waybeta.com/news/8292/true-structure-of-the-native-dx11-graphics-asl-gtx480-graphics-card-evaluation-evaluation-_-asl/7/

However, there do not support texture compression technology HDR (High Dynamic Range) images, which is open HDR is occupied by memory of a great cause. To solve this problem, DirectX 11 by adding two new compression algorithms - BC6H and BC7. Which, BC6H is designed specifically for HDR image compression algorithm, compression ratio of 6:1; and BC7 is dedicated to high quality RGB [A] texture compression algorithm design, compression ratio of 3:1

NVIDIA Geforce7/RSX and the official Direct3D9 doesn't support 3DC+ texture compression formats.

With Bad Company 2, AMD Radeon HD 5570 (GDDR3) beats Xbox 360 when it comes to MSAA and graphics details.

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]

You can do MLAA on PC CPU, if you don't mind using a few spare cores. In fact it was originally developed by Intel for CPU's. It just happens to be something the SPU's are really good at, and GPU's aren't.

Teufelhuhn

According to the same Intel MLAA paper(image based AA), GPUs are also suitable devices.

To quote Intel,Page 4/8 from http://visual-computing.intel-research.net/publications/papers/2009/mlaa/mlaa.pdf

We did not try to implement other MLAA steps using SSE® instructions
(though it might be possible to do it using SSE4
operations), opting instead for preserving the universal nature of
the algorithm. The upcoming Larrabee chip [Seiler et al. 2008], as
well as modern GPU cards, are capable of handling 8-bit data
extremely efficiently, so our algorithm will benefit from porting to
these architectures.

My comment was for suitability not the ability.

Refer http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ee416559(VS.85).aspx

Compute Shader 4.0 (on ATI/NV DX10.X hardware) accelerated BC6H/BC7 encoding/decoding.

ronvalencia

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

Refer http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ee416559(VS.85).aspx

Compute Shader 4.0 (on ATI/NV DX10.X hardware) accelerated BC6H/BC7 encoding/decoding.

Teufelhuhn

For AMD Radeon HD 5570 http://en.hardspell.com/doc/enshowcont.asp?id=7550&pageid=6673

ATIs Render Back-Ends like a ROP units, It is responsible for image post-processing out. In HD5700s Render Back-Ends , adding a new read-back path, enabling texture unit reads the compressed AA Color Buffers, thereby improving the CFAA antialiasing performance. In Render Back-Ends , it also provides a super-sampling anti-aliasing and significantly enhance sampling rate speed, .thus speeding up the performance of antialiasing

AMD Radeon HD 2900 (R600)'s real time hardware compression and decompression at I/O interfaces. Later AMD Radeon HDs improved this concept.

According to

this article, the Ps3 can work marvels.

"The PS3 rendition of Pandemic's The Saboteur is different though. It's special. It's trying something new that's never been seen before on console, or indeed PC, and its results are terrific. In a best-case scenario you get edge-smoothing that is beyond the effect of 16x multi-sampling anti-aliasing, effectively delivering an effect better than the capabilities of high-end GPUs without crippling performance. Compare and contrast with Xbox 360 hardware, which tops out at 4x MSAA."

This is either BS because if that was true, 1st party devs should be able to make games that outperform anything on Pc, or it is the truth, making people scream "what a shame!" due to the fact that no one has really showed what the Cell is really capable of in outperforming even high-end gaming rigs.

what's your take? I tend to believe that it's just the ability of great devs such as Naughty Dog and Santa Monica that are able to find the right compromises in order to make their titles look so good, still not good enough to beat out games like Crysis.

another interesting article about the use of the SPUs

Metroid_Other_M

LOL!! THIS IS HILARIOUS!!!

http://au.xbox360.ign.com/articles/617/617951p1.html

According to

this article, the Ps3 can work marvels.

"The PS3 rendition of Pandemic's The Saboteur is different though. It's special. It's trying something new that's never been seen before on console, or indeed PC, and its results are terrific. In a best-case scenario you get edge-smoothing that is beyond the effect of 16x multi-sampling anti-aliasing, effectively delivering an effect better than the capabilities of high-end GPUs without crippling performance. Compare and contrast with Xbox 360 hardware, which tops out at 4x MSAA."

This is either BS because if that was true, 1st party devs should be able to make games that outperform anything on Pc, or it is the truth, making people scream "what a shame!" due to the fact that no one has really showed what the Cell is really capable of in outperforming even high-end gaming rigs.

what's your take? I tend to believe that it's just the ability of great devs such as Naughty Dog and Santa Monica that are able to find the right compromises in order to make their titles look so good, still not good enough to beat out games like Crysis.

another interesting article about the use of the SPUs

Metroid_Other_M

Sounds like some people need to put away the magnifying glass and play some games.

[QUOTE="Metroid_Other_M"]

According to

this article, the Ps3 can work marvels.

"The PS3 rendition of Pandemic's The Saboteur is different though. It's special. It's trying something new that's never been seen before on console, or indeed PC, and its results are terrific. In a best-case scenario you get edge-smoothing that is beyond the effect of 16x multi-sampling anti-aliasing, effectively delivering an effect better than the capabilities of high-end GPUs without crippling performance. Compare and contrast with Xbox 360 hardware, which tops out at 4x MSAA."

This is either BS because if that was true, 1st party devs should be able to make games that outperform anything on Pc, or it is the truth, making people scream "what a shame!" due to the fact that no one has really showed what the Cell is really capable of in outperforming even high-end gaming rigs.

what's your take? I tend to believe that it's just the ability of great devs such as Naughty Dog and Santa Monica that are able to find the right compromises in order to make their titles look so good, still not good enough to beat out games like Crysis.

another interesting article about the use of the SPUs

delta3074

Sounds like some people need to put away the magnifying glass and play some games.

KlepticGrooves

http://au.xbox360.ign.com/articles/617/617951p1.html

roflcopter317

Since RSX is based on Geforce 7 family.

.

The RSX has 24 of these blocks.

As you can see, the front-end will limit the RSX/G70 design i.e. You also have dependencies e.g. FPU2 is dependent on FPU1. The stall in FPU1 will stall the rest of the dependant units.

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="Metroid_Other_M"]

According to

this article, the Ps3 can work marvels.

"The PS3 rendition of Pandemic's The Saboteur is different though. It's special. It's trying something new that's never been seen before on console, or indeed PC, and its results are terrific. In a best-case scenario you get edge-smoothing that is beyond the effect of 16x multi-sampling anti-aliasing, effectively delivering an effect better than the capabilities of high-end GPUs without crippling performance. Compare and contrast with Xbox 360 hardware, which tops out at 4x MSAA."

This is either BS because if that was true, 1st party devs should be able to make games that outperform anything on Pc, or it is the truth, making people scream "what a shame!" due to the fact that no one has really showed what the Cell is really capable of in outperforming even high-end gaming rigs.

what's your take? I tend to believe that it's just the ability of great devs such as Naughty Dog and Santa Monica that are able to find the right compromises in order to make their titles look so good, still not good enough to beat out games like Crysis.

another interesting article about the use of the SPUs

GTSaiyanjin2

The "hit" would be transferred to CPU. On "fat" PC GpGPUs, the hit is irrelevant if the target goals are console level 720p resolution and 30 FPS.

[QUOTE="Metroid_Other_M"]

According to

this article, the Ps3 can work marvels.

"The PS3 rendition of Pandemic's The Saboteur is different though. It's special. It's trying something new that's never been seen before on console, or indeed PC, and its results are terrific. In a best-case scenario you get edge-smoothing that is beyond the effect of 16x multi-sampling anti-aliasing, effectively delivering an effect better than the capabilities of high-end GPUs without crippling performance. Compare and contrast with Xbox 360 hardware, which tops out at 4x MSAA."

This is either BS because if that was true, 1st party devs should be able to make games that outperform anything on Pc, or it is the truth, making people scream "what a shame!" due to the fact that no one has really showed what the Cell is really capable of in outperforming even high-end gaming rigs.

what's your take? I tend to believe that it's just the ability of great devs such as Naughty Dog and Santa Monica that are able to find the right compromises in order to make their titles look so good, still not good enough to beat out games like Crysis.

another interesting article about the use of the SPUs

Lable1985

Runtime dataset from the consoles would be smaller i.e. less dataset processing due to console's memory limitations.

[QUOTE="clone01"] you have proof?Eltormo

The PS3 is truly an amazing piece of hardware that is surprising everyone as time passes. Digital Foundry recently conducted an interesting analysis on the tech used in the game Saboteur, which revealed that the PS3 is capable of producing something even a high-end PC graphics card has difficulty with.

http://gamer.blorge.com/2010/01/05/ps3-smoothing-beyond-that-of-high-end-pc-graphics-card/

If you would have read the first page before jumping fast asking for proof you would have know is not an article from Sony,and that is done by Digital Foundry on some technique use on game Saboteur.