PS3 Hate is ALL Sales Based. Kind of pathetic.

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#51 Afro_Samurai1
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it based off sales

it is based off fanboys

it is based off losing exclusives

it is based off having bluray

it is based off alot of things

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#52 The_Game21x
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[QUOTE="SituationArea11"]

Hardware sales:Xbox 360 >>>> PlayStation 3.

Software sales:Xbox 360 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PlayStation 3.

Most A, AA, AAA games: Xbox 360 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PlayStation 3.

Most games: Xbox 360 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> PlayStation 3.

Most popular in the U.S.:Xbox 360 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PlayStation 3.

That's fact. That's the way it is. Cows are going to have to accept it.

:D

shahchip

Quality > Quantity

You're actually helping his argument there...
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#53 sasapac
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[QUOTE="sasapac"]

you are just a fanboy of xbox 360

xbox 360 has more sales because it lunched 15 months before ps3

ps3 has better games

ps3 has blueray player, wifi, free online and a prossesor that xbox 360 can not even imagine

xbox is most popular only in usa ps3 is popular everywhere

ps3 is more expensive than xbox 360 but xbox 360 hasn't got blueray player, wifi and free online

xbox 360 also has RROD

SpruceCaboose

You are no better. The 360 has actually been selling more than the PS3 month to month for a while now, what system has better games is completely subjective, the PS3 having Blu-Ray is a niche selling point at this stage, the rest I would give you on that line. I believe that the 360 is selling better than the PS3 in the UK and Canada as well, but I could be mistaken on that one. [/QUOTE/]

ok i like sony more than microsoft byt i am tring to say the truth

ps3 i s more popular everywere exept usa

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#54 Pimpshigity21
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[QUOTE="SituationArea11"]

Hardware sales:Xbox 360 >>>> PlayStation 3.

Software sales:Xbox 360 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PlayStation 3.

Most A, AA, AAA games: Xbox 360 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PlayStation 3.

Most games: Xbox 360 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> PlayStation 3.

Most popular in the U.S.:Xbox 360 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PlayStation 3.

That's fact. That's the way it is. Cows are going to have to accept it.

:D

shahchip

Quality > Quantity

Yeah, that too...360 multiplatform games are of better quality and XBL is way better than anything Sony has to offer. Thanks for the heads-up.

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#55 SpruceCaboose
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[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"] I know your ultimatly correct, I just don't think it should be so BIG of a deal, not trying to offend sheep here, but the wii proves sales aren't everything, the wii proves sales hardly even affect which console get's what. And I think we can all agree that all 3 consoles will survive this gen, and sales aren't going to play that big of a roll, big thrid party games will continue to be PC/PS3/360 regardless if the PS3 passes the 360 by a million or if the 360 gains another million.

The thing is, fanboys are lazy, so they attack whatever is the weakest link. At the moment, Sony's sales issues are the easy topic to bash on, just like all Wii haters go for the casual argument and 360 haters all still cling to RRoD. These are the easy targets at the moment. Don't take it too much to heart. When the next major negative news story breaks, things will change focus. Like even now, the fact that Xbox use is higher than PS3 use according to Neilsen is making a strong come on.
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#56 SpruceCaboose
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ps3 i s more popular everywere exept usa

sasapac
Link to back you up?
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#57 Pimpshigity21
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ps3 i s more popular everywere exept usa

sasapac

LOL...lies will not make things better for the PS3.

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#58 naydaslayer
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LOL dude teh sales determine quality and PS3 flops because of its sales and its games flop and most people buy ps3 to watch movies anyway and wii doesnt count go 360
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#59 sasapac
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in europe and asia ps3 is more popular i am not lieing
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#60 foreverflame890
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Cows set themselves up when early year 2008 they cared about sales.
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#61 foreverflame890
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in europe and asia ps3 is more popular i am not lieingsasapac

But the Wii is popular worldwide;)

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#62 sasapac
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[QUOTE="sasapac"]in europe and asia ps3 is more popular i am not lieingforeverflame890

But the Wii is popular worldwide;)

you are right but i have to say that wii is for has more games for kids

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#63 foreverflame890
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[QUOTE="foreverflame890"]

[QUOTE="sasapac"]in europe and asia ps3 is more popular i am not lieingsasapac

But the Wii is popular worldwide;)

you are right but i have to say that wii is for has more games for kids

yup the wii is kiddy forsure.

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#64 xsubtownerx
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Let's see here, back in the day, all the PS fanboys were all about the sales. And for the most part, people didn't really have anything to critisize the PS2 and even the PSONE with. They had the best (and most) games. And of course the best sales. Dacades of total domination for the Playstation brand. But now the tides have turned. Ever hear of the expression "what comes around, goes around"? Well sir, did you really think that the people those Sony Fanboys were mocking for all these years weren't going to rub the poor PS3 sales in their faces? Welcome to SW. :)
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#65 OhSnapitz
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The X360 had a well established Library from day one.. The PS3 didn't get a "must have" exclusive until almost 2 years on the market (MGS4).. That being said the PS3 has shown a very impressive lineup as of 2008. And it looks to expand on that in 2009. When the PS3 games are becoming the equivilant of the 360's library and SOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo many games being multiplat now FF XIII and Tekken 6 being the latest victims. The only thing you can really bash the PS3 about is sales.. :?
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#66 ninjaxmas
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[QUOTE="The_Game21x"][QUOTE="shahchip"][QUOTE="SituationArea11"]

Hardware sales:Xbox 360 >>>> PlayStation 3.

Software sales:Xbox 360 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PlayStation 3.

Most A, AA, AAA games: Xbox 360 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PlayStation 3.

Most games: Xbox 360 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> PlayStation 3.

Most popular in the U.S.:Xbox 360 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PlayStation 3.

That's fact. That's the way it is. Cows are going to have to accept it.

:D

Quality > Quantity

You're actually helping his argument there...

i'm pretty sure thats a matter of opinion. its the same reason why i prefered the xbox over the ps2 last gen. i thought they had better games. this gen i choose the ps3 for the same reason. sorry but mgs4 alone makes 98% of the 360s library look like trash...
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#67 The_Game21x
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[QUOTE="The_Game21x"][QUOTE="shahchip"]

Quality > Quantity

ninjaxmas

You're actually helping his argument there...

i'm pretty sure thats a matter of opinion. its the same reason why i prefered the xbox over the ps2 last gen. i thought they had better games. this gen i choose the ps3 for the same reason. sorry but mgs4 alone makes 98% of the 360s library look like trash...

I know full well that this is a matter of opinion. I would think that's implied around here.

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Tons of Great Multiplats. Check... but they look just as good if not better on the 360, which makes the "superior" power of the PS3, well not so superior. When a console that costs half as much is getting the same games, some of which look better, makes you wonder why you'd spend $400 on a PS3.

Great First, second, third party exclusives. Not a major check here, considering some of the biggest games from Sony's past have gone multiplatform. Grand Theft Auto, Tekken, Ace Combat, Final Fantasy, and now Way of the Samurai, Sony is losing alot in this area though they do have some good games coming up.

Sexy looking upcomming exclusives. Check, but Microsoft has a great lineup as well, so its going to take alot more than a few good games to get Sony back in this one.

Sexy looking upcomming multiplats. Check, but once again I'd like to point out that the supposed weaker console has the games that look just the same as the PS3 version, if not better.

Great PSN games. Check, but XBLA arcade is sporting some great games as well, especially housing games like Braid which was up for GOTY, I didn't see any PSN titles on that list.


My point is that sales do play a major factor in what comes to the PS3 and what stays on the PS3. Developers are less likely to support a console that is struggling in sales than a console that is selling out constantly. Just look at the Wii, which now exclusively has some of Japan's best selling games like Monster Hunter 3 and DragonQuest X. Sales may not matter to you, but from a business stand point they matter alot, and when the PS3 doesn't sell, you'll see more games like Way of the Samurai suddenly go multiplatform.

My next issue is that the Xbox 360 has games that look just as good as its PS3 counterpart, and now games that were built from the ground up with the PS3 in mind are being ported over to the 360 which ends the idea of "it can only be done PS3." Final Fantasy XIII was never built with the 360 in mind, but its being ported over and Square has already said you won't be able to tell the 2 versions apart.

Then you have Bluray which creates a whole other issue considering HDTVs aren't in majority of homes yet, and in places like Japan they've just started to catch on and take its part in the market. Sony banked on something that required something else to take off, and though HDTVs have been selling well, they just recently caught up to production of SDTVs. Also most households out there have an SDTV, so the idea of selling a good Bluray player to most is out because they won't get the most out of it.

Sales do matter, no matter how much you try to pretend otherwise, and its already showing that Sony is hurting this generation, with major exclusives slipping away and Sony picking up next to nothing from Microsoft, its not hard to see this and realize Sony could be in some serious trouble if they don't turn it around soon.

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#69 Leo-Magic
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[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]

I've been on this forum for longer that I like to admit, I own a gaming PC, Laptop, PS3, 360 and PSP, I love me some games I care not for sales, and day by day you'll see thread after thread of how PS3 sells less then console x, or how it's games sell less then conxole y. I just don't get it, even after winning a truckload of GAME awards, the trend continues, SALES SALES SALES, HATE HATE HATE. Bad media publicity, sony being arrogant, this that WHO CARES?

I have a question for anyone who would like to answer it, excluding sales, what's wrong with the PS3?

Tons of Great Multiplats. Check.

Great First, second, third party exclusives. Check.

Sexy looking upcomming exclusives. Check.

Sexy looking upcomming multiplats. Check.

Great PSN games. Check.

I just don't see where the hate is comming from, and don't bother listing your "Well the 360 has 9000 A+ games and the PS3 only has 100" Like I'm ever going to buy that many games anyway...

this is only ur opinion, does not apply to anybody.
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#70 dbzfreak
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Let's see here, back in the day, all the PS fanboys were all about the sales. And for the most part, people didn't really have anything to critisize the PS2 and even the PSONE with. They had the best (and most) games. And of course the best sales. Dacades of total domination for the Playstation brand. But now the tides have turned. Ever hear of the expression "what comes around, goes around"? Well sir, did you really think that the people those Sony Fanboys were mocking for all these years weren't going to rub the poor PS3 sales in their faces? Welcome to SW. :) xsubtownerx
Yep and unfortunately even if you are a cow who wasn't involved in that mocking, you get lumped into that group because of the mentality of SW. Hey TC, it's okay if you don't care about sales. If you like the PS3 and the games on it give you what you want, then that's all that matters. What strangers post on the internet shouldn't affect you if you are enjoying the product.
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#71 rsoxguy12
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[QUOTE="SituationArea11"]

Hardware sales:Xbox 360 >>>> PlayStation 3.

Software sales:Xbox 360 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PlayStation 3.

Most A, AA, AAA games: Xbox 360 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PlayStation 3.

Most games: Xbox 360 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> PlayStation 3.

Most popular in the U.S.:Xbox 360 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PlayStation 3.

That's fact. That's the way it is. Cows are going to have to accept it.

:D

shahchip

Quality > Quantity

took the words right out of my mouth
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#72 -DrRobotnik-
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I dont hate the PS3 at all, in fact i love my PS3. BUT its sales are the lowest. It doesnt have as many quality games as the 360 (yeah, its all down to personal preference but for arguments sake we'll use critic scores) and its online service is inferior to the 360s (yeah its free but still inferior). So while it is pathetic to bash a consoles just for its sales, dont act like thats the only thing the PS3 is 'underperforming' in, because it isnt.
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#73 -starman-
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[QUOTE="bez2083"][QUOTE="dual_boot"]

So you're saying you want a pair of breasts? You can get implants ya know. ;)

DeathScape666

Wasn't there a guy who got rack implants on a bet awhile ago?

A guy on GameSpot lost a System Wars bet and had to get implants?

Sign me up!

Wow, this thread took a weird direction...

as for the PS3 hate... i think there's plenty at play. first, Xbox fans seem to be the most rabid. they go after everyone on systemwars, Sony, Nintendo, even PC gamers... no one's safe!

and it gets hate from Wii gamers because fans of the other two consoles have given it so much grief since it's release. couple that with the fact that whenever we make an argument that isn't sales based it gets ripped apart before page two and it's not hard to see why sales is a major point. so, basically, don't dish it out if you can't take it, i suppose. it's an effective argument, and considering you've created a whole thread about it, i guess it works on some level.

i actually like the PS3, and am seriously looking at getting one. the cost is a little prohibitive, and i'm still happy with the Wii, so it may be a while. maybe if i get the new job i'm applying for i'll use some of the raise to treat myself to one.

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#74 manziny
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my biggest hate is the price, i have no preference of graphics because i simply dont care about these awesome HD Graphics another think having loved ps1, ps2 i've kinda shifted to Nintendo Wii after playing a few games on Gamecube at my mates house. i kinda like the fun in gaming now more than ever.

Plus i dont have the time of being a hardcore gamer that i used to be with the exception of Zelda.

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#76 CheckingAvailab
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I don't think people "hate" it, but I do think a lot of people were disappointed by it, and rightfully so.

BioShockOwnz

very true. The most hyped console sitting in third place and most of its promises undelivered

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#77 larryb007
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why do you care you, seem to be happy with your ps3 go play it
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#78 Blackbond
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It's getting harder to criticise it's game library and easier to criticise it's sales perfomance.Floppy_Jim
Or lately its price tag and HOME.
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#79 Deiuos
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Owning a 360, there isn't too many reasons for me to spend so much money on a console like the PS3. The only games I'm interested in that's exclusive to the console is MGS4 and Killzone 2.
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I personally didn't want any games on the PS3 when it came out. Now I'm leaning more toward computer gaming and I'm putting my time and money into that instead of console gaming.
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#81 Cole-Protocal
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whats pathetic is the giant step backwards the PS3 has done for the Playstation brand name.
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#82 CheckingAvailab
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whats pathetic is the giant step backwards the PS3 has done for the Playstation brand name. Cole-Protocal

2 generations of profit wiped out in 2 years by PS3. PS3 = Epic Failure

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#83 calvinx6
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[QUOTE="Cole-Protocal"]whats pathetic is the giant step backwards the PS3 has done for the Playstation brand name. CheckingAvailab

2 generations of profit wiped out in 2 years by PS3. PS3 = Epic Failure

True, thats is very sad.

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#84 Shusty-Gamer
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The people who are bashing the PS3 are the same people wanting to play it. They can't afford it; therefore, complain about it...
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#85 CheckingAvailab
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The people who are bashing the PS3 are the same people wanting to play it. They can't afford it; therefore, complain about it...Shusty-Gamer

whatever makes you feel better :lol:

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#86 tek91
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I've been on this forum for longer that I like to admit, I own a gaming PC, Laptop, PS3, 360 and PSP, I love me some games I care not for sales, and day by day you'll see thread after thread of how PS3 sells less then console x, or how it's games sell less then conxole y. I just don't get it, even after winning a truckload of GAME awards, the trend continues, SALES SALES SALES, HATE HATE HATE. Bad media publicity, sony being arrogant, this that WHO CARES?

I have a question for anyone who would like to answer it, excluding sales, what's wrong with the PS3?

Tons of Great Multiplats. Check.

Great First, second, third party exclusives. Check.

Sexy looking upcomming exclusives. Check.

Sexy looking upcomming multiplats. Check.

Great PSN games. Check.

I just don't see where the hate is comming from, and don't bother listing your "Well the 360 has 9000 A+ games and the PS3 only has 100" Like I'm ever going to buy that many games anyway...

Eddie-Vedder

I see it as ammunition this is system wars and they need to fight back at PS 3 and since they can't us the "PS 3 has no games"anymore all they got left is the sales if they didn't have the sales they would not be able to make comebacks, because truthfully the PS 3 is superior to the 360 the 360 has crappy games a crappy system which breaks and scratches disks, M$ is getting lawsuits up the ass so the sales is their only way to comeback.

I do agree it is kinda pathetic

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[QUOTE="tek91"]truthfully the PS 3 is superior the 360 has crappy games a crappy system which breaks all the time and scratches disks M$ is getting lawsuits up the ass so the sales is their only way to comeback.
CheckingAvailab

lol. 11 year old confirmed

He's pissed that he got his ass handed to him for disrespecting logic in that thread he made yesterday. He'll get over it, but I'll always have something to remember him by (see sig).
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#89 tek91
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[QUOTE="CheckingAvailab"]

[QUOTE="tek91"]truthfully the PS 3 is superior the 360 has crappy games a crappy system which breaks all the time and scratches disks M$ is getting lawsuits up the ass so the sales is their only way to comeback.
bez2083

lol. 11 year old confirmed

He's pissed that he got his ass handed to him for disrespecting logic in that thread he made yesterday. He'll get over it, but I'll always have something to remember him by (see sig).

lol yea right what I said in my last thread is true basically I dont see any comebacks from lemmings besides PS 3 has bad sales that's all lemmings can muster up to hide the fact that the PS 3 is a real threat to you and most of the games like MGS 4, Little Big Planet and God of war 3 you would kill to have and can't .

I bet the next lemming thread here will be 'but but the sales" lol

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#90 Buneroid
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[QUOTE="Droopeh"]Maybe because none of the Wii games appeal to him? And I agree.VideoGameGuy
point made. we can close this thread.

What does a console not appealing to someone have to do with people bashing a system based off of sales again?
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#91 fluxorator
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Hardware sales:Xbox 360 >>>> PlayStation 3.

Software sales:Xbox 360 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PlayStation 3.

Most A, AA, AAA games: Xbox 360 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PlayStation 3.

Most games: Xbox 360 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> PlayStation 3.

Most popular in the U.S.:Xbox 360 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PlayStation 3.

That's fact. That's the way it is. Cows are going to have to accept it.

:D

SituationArea11
Most fun to play: PlayStation 3 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Xbox 360 Luckily that's the only thing I care about :)
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#92 VideoGameGuy
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[QUOTE="VideoGameGuy"][QUOTE="Droopeh"]Maybe because none of the Wii games appeal to him? And I agree.Buneroid
point made. we can close this thread.

What does a console not appealing to someone have to do with people bashing a system based off of sales again?

That the hate isn't just sales, it's the games too. well its A LOT of things but sales are a small part..
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#93 tek91
Member since 2004 • 1476 Posts

[QUOTE="Buneroid"][QUOTE="VideoGameGuy"]point made. we can close this thread.VideoGameGuy
What does a console not appealing to someone have to do with people bashing a system based off of sales again?

That the hate isn't just sales, it's the games too. well its A LOT of things but sales are a small part..

dude it's all sales look at the voting posts most people voted PS 3 has the best games and the best upcoming lineup lemmings can't comeback when it comes to other issues that's why I smile when you guys use the sales it's kinda funny.

I also find it funny that for 8 months the PS 3 was outselling the 360 so much that M$ was forced to cut it's price even more, even though the 360 was still cheaper than the PS3.

That's how much people still love sony over xbox.

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#94 Shenmue_Jehuty
Member since 2007 • 5211 Posts
I don't hate the PS3, but do have agrievancetoward it completely independent of it's sales; its exclusive game library. Yes it does have some worthwhile exclusives, but not enough in my opinion to justify a $500 price tag, much less a $400 tag. On a good day right now, it is worth maybe $300. If Sony would beef-up the exclusive list, more so the good exclusive list, then I would gladly buy one.
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#95 deactivated-5e7be39d87e0b
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[QUOTE="bez2083"][QUOTE="CheckingAvailab"] [QUOTE="tek91"] lol yea right what I said in my last thread is true basically I dont see any comebacks from lemmings besides PS 3 has bad sales that's all lemmings can muster up to hide the fact that the PS 3 is a real threat to you and most of the games like MGS 4, Little Big Planet and God of war 3 you would kill to have and can't . I bet the next lemming thread here will be 'but but the sales" lol tek91
I would kill to have games like MGS4, LBP, and GoW3, but I can't have them? Hmmmm, that's news to me.
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#96 CheckingAvailab
Member since 2008 • 393 Posts
[QUOTE="CheckingAvailab"]

[QUOTE="tek91"]truthfully the PS 3 is superior the 360 has crappy games a crappy system which breaks all the time and scratches disks M$ is getting lawsuits up the ass so the sales is their only way to comeback.
bez2083

lol. 11 year old confirmed

He's pissed that he got his ass handed to him for disrespecting logic in that thread he made yesterday. He'll get over it, but I'll always have something to remember him by (see sig).

apparently I'm settin a bad example :cry:

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#97 patrickjw333
Member since 2004 • 809 Posts

Hardware sales:Xbox 360 >>>> PlayStation 3.

Software sales:Xbox 360 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PlayStation 3.

Most A, AA, AAA games: Xbox 360 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PlayStation 3.

Most games: Xbox 360 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> PlayStation 3.

Most popular in the U.S.:Xbox 360 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PlayStation 3.

That's fact. That's the way it is. Cows are going to have to accept it.

:D

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one year headstart: XBOX360>>>>>>>>Playstation 3
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#98 Wasdie  Moderator
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To fanboys sales matter the most. To gamers, sales matter very little.

Sales do matter when your favorite game doesn't sell well and then that franchies either dies or the gameplay never is used again. Then its just sad :(.

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#99 SupremeLegacy
Member since 2008 • 113 Posts
Obviously
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#100 Head_of_games
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Seriously, I've had to post this so much I'm considering putting it in my signature: I simply don't agree with what it stands for. First of all, consoles shouldn't be multimedia devices and Blu--ray was completely unnecessary to throw in. Let's say for some reason i did want to buy the PS3. I would have no choice but to purchase the blue-ray player which drives the price up at least a hundred dollars. It's a desperate bid by sony to get a blu-ray player (Which isn't sellling well at all) in the hands of someone who wouldn't have bought it if they had the choice. Sony seems to assume that we all have televisions huge enough for graphics like the PS3s to actualy make a difference. Secondly, could they be any less innovative? The kept the controller the same besides copying the Wiimote, which is hardly ever used. Nintendo came up with the best controls ever devised and Microsoft with the most comfortable. I mean, did they come up with any new concepts whatsoever? Sure they stuck on non-game stuff , but for the most part it was just bump up the graphics and subsequently the price. Finnaly, i dislike them for the simple fact that the video game world would be better without them. Two consoles is just fine for competition. If sony dropped out and all their games went to the 360, then self proclaimed "hardcore" would only have to get one console instead of fighting among themselves. Oh, and system wars could finnaly die. Anyways, things would be a lot simpler if it was just Microsoft and Nintendo in the race. I will now await the oncoming wave of attack from vicious cows.