PS3 is almost guaranteed to beat 360 in the long term

buuuuut Sony needs to dothe following things before it happens.

• Keep lowering the price even if its once every year, especially around Christmas.
• Have lots of fantastic games throughout its lifespan. Also get more 3rd party exclusive which I'm sure they can becuse Sony has a good relationship with 3rd party companies.
• Bring out a new slimmer model just like the PS1&2 had, but not too soon, in 3-4 years time. This will help sales in Japan because they love everything in a small form.
• Make more 1st/2nd party titles, I have heard Sony are planning 100 of these throughout PS3's lifespan.
• Improve PSN and get out more content as well as have more titles online enabled.

This is really all Sony needs to do to beat the 360, Playstation is a powerful brand and if Sony does the above they are almost guaranteed to beat the 360. I can't say the same thing about the Wii because Nintendo is an even more powerful brand.

Rest assured the above bulletpoints are a certainty, the first 6 months say nothing about a how a console turns out at the end of the gen, which will be in 5-6 years time.

buuuuut Sony needs to dothe following things before it happens.

• Have lots of fantastic games throughout its lifespan. Also get more 3rd party exclusive which I'm sure they can becuse Sony has a good relationship with 3rd party companies.

Swift_Boss_A

that's their main hurdle. and I don't see them doing it, judging by how horribly the console is selling.

Um.. Sony can't lower the price of the ps3, they already loose lots on it.. Maybe in 2 years it will get its first pricecut..

And well.. If the ps3 get the best 3rd party games.. Thats actully depends on if its the console with most sales or not.. So.. if Sony doesn't GIVE away ps3's to consummers then xbox360 is nearly guaranteed to get better 3rd party support..

Also the PSN, thats expensive to improve... They already loose lots of money and Sony wants to earn money on the PS3, not just get a bigger market share, like MS. (Sony can't really improve their market share from last gen)

Seriously.. The only thing that can make the PS3 succesful is if Consummers start to buy lots of HDTV's so that the HD-formats will sell like crazy. That will definitly make the PS3 top of this gen..

Too bad MS will also do those things, whilst already in the lead.OGTiago

lol I am stating facts about the PS3, Sony has done each one of those bulletpoints (apart from the online one) with the previous Playstations so its a guarantee they will do it this gen.

Playstation is a power brand which only Nintendo has a chance of beating. Microsoft console-wise is only really popular in America and they are dead in Japan but doing ok in Europe.

PS3 will pwn 360*audience* "his gonna say it"Just wait :D

lol I am stating facts about the PS3, Sony has done each one of those bulletpoints (apart from the online one) with the previous Playstations so its a guarantee they will do it this gen.Swift_Boss_A

not with a year head competition. real competition. not a nearly bankrupt company.

So you're saying that all Sony neds to do to win is

1. MAke their console cheap

2. Have lots of great games to play

3. HAve a nice small PS3

4. HAve more games (agains)

5. Have really, really good online.

Well, yeah. that is what they need to do. They aren't doing that stuff too well now though. The console is expensive, has realatively few great games, is big (though I don't think this matters as much), and their online service will continue suffering for the next few months. Home might hep with the last one, though.

[QUOTE="OGTiago"]Too bad MS will also do those things, whilst already in the lead.Swift_Boss_A

lol I am stating facts about the PS3, Sony has done each one of those bulletpoints (apart from the online one) with the previous Playstations so its a guarantee they will do it this gen.

Playstation is a power brand which only Nintendo has a chance of beating. Microsoft console-wise is only really popular in America and they are dead in Japan but doing ok in Europe.

PS3 will pwn 360*audience* "his gonna say it"Just wait :D

damage control, with a dash of denial

PS3 is built for the long term, I dont think Sony are too worried if they are losing money now. also remember the main reason Sony were losing money was because of Blue-ray, the cost of laser diodes for blue-ray has decreased so Sony will most likely be able to have a price drop this fall which I'm sure they will. The price of HD TV's are also falling and the amount of people who are buying HD TV's are increasing, soon PS3 will be selling like crazy because PS3 and a HD TV go hand-in-hand.

oh and about exclusive games, remember folks people buy consoles because of games not the other way round. Fan-boys are always quick to say that Kojima will make MGS4 muliplat because PS3 isn't selling, Kojima isn't an idiot he knows that MGS4 is a killer app for PS3 and will most likely sell millions and shift alot of PS3 units, fan-boys know this thats why they are spreading stupid rumours.

I bet that Sony will have lots and lots of 1st/2nd party exclusives to show at E3 as well as a few 3rd party exclusives *cough* Silent Hill 5 *cough*

Sony has lost exclusive rights to all their good franchises.

PS3 is built for th"e long term, I dont think Sony are too worried if they are losing money now. also remember the main reason Sony were losing money was because of Blue-ray, the cost of laser diodes for blue-ray has decreased so Sony will most likely be able to have a price drop this fall which I'm sure they will. The price of HD TV's are also falling and the amount of people who are buying HD TV's are increasing, soon PS3 will be selling like crazy because PS3 and a HD TV go hand-in-hand.

oh and about exclusive games, remember folks people buy consoles because of games not the other way round. Fan-boys are always quick to say that Kojima will make MGS4 muliplat because PS3 isn't selling, Kojima isn't an idiot he knows that MGS4 is a killer app for PS3 and will most likely sell millions and shift alot of PS3 units, fan-boys know this thats why they are spreading stupid rumours.

I bet that Sony will have lots and lots of 1st/2nd party exclusives to show at E3 as well as a few 3rd party exclusives *cough* Silent Hill 5 *cough*

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"cough" too bad silent hill 5 isn't a system seller "cough" and no one cares "cough" "cough"

PS3 is built for the long term, I dont think Sony are too worried if they are losing money now. also remember the main reason Sony were losing money was because of Blue-ray, the cost of laser diodes for blue-ray has decreased so Sony will most likely be able to have a price drop this fall which I'm sure they will. The price of HD TV's are also falling and the amount of people who are buying HD TV's are increasing, soon PS3 will be selling like crazy because PS3 and a HD TV go hand-in-hand.

oh and about exclusive games, remember folks people buy consoles because of games not the other way round. Fan-boys are always quick to say that Kojima will make MGS4 muliplat because PS3 isn't selling, Kojima isn't an idiot he knows that MGS4 is a killer app for PS3 and will most likely sell millions and shift alot of PS3 units, fan-boys know this thats why they are spreading stupid rumours.

I bet that Sony will have lots and lots of 1st/2nd party exclusives to show at E3 as well as a few 3rd party exclusives *cough* Silent Hill 5 *cough*

Swift_Boss_A

mgs4 isnt gonna move millions maybe a few hundred thousand ps3's but not millions, its already known majority of people dont wanna spend 600 bucks on a console, example wii. and win halo3 comes out I bet it moves a million 360's

- they wont drop the price bc along w/ microsoft they are loosing money selling theyre consoles at the price they are at.

-they have no 3rd party support

- 100 1st party titles over the lifespan would be nice, but id settle for 1 game worth playing. so theyre way behind

-they need a slim version bc it looks like they took a ps2 + cartoon explosion + a football= *poof* PS3

- psn is nowere neer the movies, demos, trailers,themes, pictures, arcade games,or even the community feel that xbox live brings

so basically theyre doing nothing that u sed and ur just guessing or more like..... hoping

[QUOTE="Swift_Boss_A"]

PS3 is built for the long term, I dont think Sony are too worried if they are losing money now. also remember the main reason Sony were losing money was because of Blue-ray, the cost of laser diodes for blue-ray has decreased so Sony will most likely be able to have a price drop this fall which I'm sure they will. The price of HD TV's are also falling and the amount of people who are buying HD TV's are increasing, soon PS3 will be selling like crazy because PS3 and a HD TV go hand-in-hand.

oh and about exclusive games, remember folks people buy consoles because of games not the other way round. Fan-boys are always quick to say that Kojima will make MGS4 muliplat because PS3 isn't selling, Kojima isn't an idiot he knows that MGS4 is a killer app for PS3 and will most likely sell millions and shift alot of PS3 units, fan-boys know this thats why they are spreading stupid rumours.

I bet that Sony will have lots and lots of 1st/2nd party exclusives to show at E3 as well as a few 3rd party exclusives *cough* Silent Hill 5 *cough*

SegArgyle

mgs4 isnt gonna move millions maybe a few hundred thousand ps3's but not millions, its already known majority of people dont wanna spend 600 bucks on a console, example wii. and win halo3 comes out I bet it moves a million 360's

thats another thing i dont think that cows realize that mgs and FF arnt system sellers they do okay you know like 1or 2 million but they arnt system sellers like halo with like 10 mil and gta with like 15 mil

[QUOTE="OGTiago"]Too bad MS will also do those things, whilst already in the lead.Swift_Boss_A

lol I am stating facts about the PS3, Sony has done each one of those bulletpoints (apart from the online one) with the previous Playstations so its a guarantee they will do it this gen.

Playstation is a power brand which only Nintendo has a chance of beating. Microsoft console-wise is only really popular in America and they are dead in Japan but doing ok in Europe.

PS3 will pwn 360*audience* "his gonna say it"Just wait :D

It can't "own" X-box 360 anymore. X-box 360 already has great games and there are still games to come. There is no more: "this console sucks and this doesn't." Only a blind and a stupid fanboy would stay away from either consoles.

Judge PS3 at your own peril, its only been 6 months, 6 MONTHS ! I don't wanna be the one laughing at you guys this fall when PS3 has almost reached 10 million and has lots of fantastic games while Halo 3 flopped at Gamespot reviews.

Judging early is like one and a half years into a consoles lifespan but you guys are judging waaaay early, all because you guys are high on Microsofts success. well any console would be a success if it launched a year before the competition :roll:

Judging early is like one and a half years into a consoles lifespan but you guys are judging waaaay early, all because you guys are high on Microsofts success. well any console would be a success if it launched a year before the competition :roll:

Swift_Boss_A

Dreamcast? :)

thats another thing i dont think thatPlaystation ownersrealize that mgs and FF arnt system sellers they do okay you know like 1or 2 million but they arnt system sellers like halo with like 10 mil and gta with like 15 mil

Gen007

I would have agreed with you if MGS4 was not an exclusive. Its just something about an exclusive which makes it sell into the millions really fast.

MGS2 sold 7 million and MGS3 has sold 4 million, I'm will ing to bet MGS4 will sell close or more to the sales of MGS2.

MGS2 was MGS's first step into next gen way back in 2001 the same way with MGS4 this gen.

Rest assured the above bulletpoints are a certainty, the first 6 months say nothing about a how a console turns out at the end of the gen, which will be in 5-6 years time.

Swift_Boss_A

Strange. Cows were saying the 360 was doomed before it even launched... :shock:

So, basically they have to do everything their NOT doing now?luigigreen

LOL!

buuuuut Sony needs to dothe following things before it happens.

• Keep lowering the price even if its once every year, especially around Christmas: The competition will drop prices keeping the PS3 in the position as the most expensive of the bunch. Also who has ever seen a $100 price drop, more like $50 and thats it.
• Have lots of fantastic games throughout its lifespan. Also get more 3rd party exclusive which I'm sure they can becuse Sony has a good relationship with 3rd party companies: Contrary to popular belief the "next-gen" war started Nov 2005! more than likely this generation will end during the holiday season 2010 or 2011. If Sony is just getting up to speed in early/late 08', the competition is getting ready for the next gen of systems preparing to leave Sony in the dust once again. Also, Sony does not have a good relationship with 3rd parties, Sony's money (sales, userbase, incentives) are what kept the attention of third parties...this gen they are without those characteristics.
• Bring out a new slimmer model just like the PS1&2 had, but not too soon, in 3-4 years time. This will help sales in Japan because they love everything in a small form: See original statement, Sony is running out of time this gen. To provide a slimline version of their system Sony needs to earn a profit first (similar to the PS1/PS2)!
• Make more 1st/2nd party titles, I have heard Sony are planning 100 of these throughout PS3's lifespan: This is where Sony should have been focusing its bread and butter games all along. Over the years they got comfortable with third patry games being the highlight of their system while they take all the time in the world to push out a GT or GoW title. Now their first party games arent strong enough to carry the console through the tough times and its hurting them.
• Improve PSN and get out more content as well as have more titles online enabled: This should have been in motion when XBL was still on the Xbox 1. MS didnt create its greatness overnight (and they are a software company), how did Sony expect to have a rival solution to a network that took years to implement versus the few months work Sony put in?!?!?

This is really all Sony needs to do to beat the 360, Playstation is a powerful brand and if Sony does the above they are almost guaranteed to beat the 360. I can't say the same thing about the Wii because Nintendo is an even more powerful brand.

Rest assured the above bulletpoints are a certainty, the first 6 months say nothing about a how a console turns out at the end of the gen, which will be in 5-6 years time.

While your comments are well thought out and logical, Im afraid its really too late for Sony. They dig themselves a hole so deep that only a miracle (i.e. Ninty or MS suddenly leaving the console business) would put them back on top. In the face of strong competition, you are allowed very little mistakes. Unfortunately, Sony has broken the record of most mistakes made to end a legacy this gen...

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1570831,00.html

Swift_Boss_A

[QUOTE="Swift_Boss_A"]

Rest assured the above bulletpoints are a certainty, the first 6 months say nothing about a how a console turns out at the end of the gen, which will be in 5-6 years time.

Magical_Zebra

Strange. Cows were saying the 360 was doomed before it even launched... :shock:

too bad I was a 360 fan back then. I never buy a console at launch so I decided to wait a year until I buy a 360. To my shock I noticed that only 2 games appealed to me, Dead Rising and GeOW. I have abandened getting a 360 and now I will buy a PS3 this November along with DMC4, Unchated, Heavenly Sword, Sigma, Ratchet and Clank Future and MGS4 if it comes out this year.

Good thing I didn't buy a 360 otherwise I would have been amongst you guys *shivers from the thought*

p.s. I'm only joking, you guys are a good people I'm sure :)

You're assuming the 360 is going to idle and have nothing going for them for the next few years.r_h_i_e

The Xbox did.

Judge PS3 at your own peril, its only been 6 months, 6 MONTHS ! I don't wanna be the one laughing at you guys this fall when PS3 has almost reached 10 million and has lots of fantastic games while Halo 3 flopped at Gamespot reviews.

Judging early is like one and a half years into a consoles lifespan but you guys are judging waaaay early, all because you guys are high on Microsofts success. well any console would be a success if it launched a year before the competition :roll:

Swift_Boss_A

too bad I was a 360 fan back then. I never buy a console at launch so I decided to wait a year until I buy a 360. To my shock I noticed that only 2 games appealed to me, Dead Rising and GeOW. I have abandened getting a 360 and now I will buy a PS3 this November along with DMC4, Unchated, Heavenly Sword, Sigma, Ratchet and Clank Future and MGS4 if it comes out this year.

Good thing I didn't buy a 360 otherwise I would have been amongst you guys *shivers from the thought*

p.s. I'm only joking, you guys are a good people I'm sure :)

Swift_Boss_A

you don't even own a PS3 or a 360 :| dude stop posting and come back in 6mths

I don't think so. I have a PS3 and I can tell you it won't be out on top. People aren't willing to pay 600$ for a console, I only found it a good deal because I play online, so I get online free and get a free wireless adapter, making up for that 200$ loss.CraigJK

and one of the few who have that opinion. most people that bought it say its worth the price just not enough games yet. Its just alot of money so people are saving for it like my friends. i was the first now 3 of my friends own it. They all had 360's and prefer PS3. So its worth the money

[QUOTE="CraigJK"]I don't think so. I have a PS3 and I can tell you it won't be out on top. People aren't willing to pay 600$ for a console, I only found it a good deal because I play online, so I get online free and get a free wireless adapter, making up for that 200$ loss.fuman3

and one of the few who have that opinion. most people that bought it say its worth the price just not enough games yet. Its just alot of money so people are saving for it like my friends. i was the first now 3 of my friends own it. They all had 360's and prefer PS3. So its worth the money

whatis their reasoning for preferring the PS3 is it the games or the intuitive dashboard setup? what makes it better?

[QUOTE="Swift_Boss_A"]

Judge PS3 at your own peril, its only been 6 months, 6 MONTHS ! I don't wanna be the one laughing at you guys this fall when PS3 has almost reached 10 million and has lots of fantastic games while Halo 3 flopped at Gamespot reviews.

Judging early is like one and a half years into a consoles lifespan but you guys are judging waaaay early, all because you guys are high on Microsofts success. well any console would be a success if it launched a year before the competition :roll:

kungfuchaos

Well I wouldn't say that the xbox 360's lineup re exclusivegamesis all that great (halo excepted) but i agree with your point about the PS3 games not being huge system sellers. I think this holiday season we'll see an increase in both console's sales, but the gap will continue to widen. That's sad for me, I like Sony products and the kid of games that the Ps brand is famous for.

buuuuut Sony needs to dothe following things before it happens.

• Keep lowering the price even if its once every year, especially around Christmas.
• Have lots of fantastic games throughout its lifespan. Also get more 3rd party exclusive which I'm sure they can becuse Sony has a good relationship with 3rd party companies.
• Bring out a new slimmer model just like the PS1&2 had, but not too soon, in 3-4 years time. This will help sales in Japan because they love everything in a small form.
• Make more 1st/2nd party titles, I have heard Sony are planning 100 of these throughout PS3's lifespan.
• Improve PSN and get out more content as well as have more titles online enabled.

This is really all Sony needs to do to beat the 360, Playstation is a powerful brand and if Sony does the above they are almost guaranteed to beat the 360. I can't say the same thing about the Wii because Nintendo is an even more powerful brand.

Rest assured the above bulletpoints are a certainty, the first 6 months say nothing about a how a console turns out at the end of the gen, which will be in 5-6 years time.

Swift_Boss_A

This post was the equivalent of saying "All the baseball team needs to do to win is score more runs than the other team."

[QUOTE="Magical_Zebra"][QUOTE="Swift_Boss_A"]

Rest assured the above bulletpoints are a certainty, the first 6 months say nothing about a how a console turns out at the end of the gen, which will be in 5-6 years time.

Swift_Boss_A

Strange. Cows were saying the 360 was doomed before it even launched... :shock:

too bad I was a 360 fan back then. I never buy a console at launch so I decided to wait a year until I buy a 360. To my shock I noticed that only 2 games appealed to me, Dead Rising and GeOW. I have abandened getting a 360 and now I will buy a PS3 this November along with DMC4, Unchated, Heavenly Sword, Sigma, Ratchet and Clank Future and MGS4 if it comes out this year.

Good thing I didn't buy a 360 otherwise I would have been amongst you guys *shivers from the thought*

p.s. I'm only joking, you guys are a good people I'm sure :)

You mean you would have had a very large library of games with online and multiplayer support to boot. :shock:

[QUOTE="Swift_Boss_A"]

buuuuut Sony needs to dothe following things before it happens.

• Keep lowering the price even if its once every year, especially around Christmas: The competition will drop prices keeping the PS3 in the position as the most expensive of the bunch. Also who has ever seen a $100 price drop, more like $50 and thats it.
• Have lots of fantastic games throughout its lifespan. Also get more 3rd party exclusive which I'm sure they can becuse Sony has a good relationship with 3rd party companies: Contrary to popular belief the "next-gen" war started Nov 2005! more than likely this generation will end during the holiday season 2010 or 2011. If Sony is just getting up to speed in early/late 08', the competition is getting ready for the next gen of systems preparing to leave Sony in the dust once again. Also, Sony does not have a good relationship with 3rd parties, Sony's money (sales, userbase, incentives) are what kept the attention of third parties...this gen they are without those characteristics.
• Bring out a new slimmer model just like the PS1&2 had, but not too soon, in 3-4 years time. This will help sales in Japan because they love everything in a small form: See original statement, Sony is running out of time this gen. To provide a slimline version of their system Sony needs to earn a profit first (similar to the PS1/PS2)!
• Make more 1st/2nd party titles, I have heard Sony are planning 100 of these throughout PS3's lifespan: This is where Sony should have been focusing its bread and butter games all along. Over the years they got comfortable with third patry games being the highlight of their system while they take all the time in the world to push out a GT or GoW title. Now their first party games arent strong enough to carry the console through the tough times and its hurting them.
• Improve PSN and get out more content as well as have more titles online enabled: This should have been in motion when XBL was still on the Xbox 1. MS didnt create its greatness overnight (and they are a software company), how did Sony expect to have a rival solution to a network that took years to implement versus the few months work Sony put in?!?!?

This is really all Sony needs to do to beat the 360, Playstation is a powerful brand and if Sony does the above they are almost guaranteed to beat the 360. I can't say the same thing about the Wii because Nintendo is an even more powerful brand.

Rest assured the above bulletpoints are a certainty, the first 6 months say nothing about a how a console turns out at the end of the gen, which will be in 5-6 years time.

While your comments are well thought out and logical, Im afraid its really too late for Sony. They dig themselves a hole so deep that only a miracle (i.e. Ninty or MS suddenly leaving the console business) would put them back on top. In the face of strong competition, you are allowed very little mistakes. Unfortunately, Sony has broken the record of most mistakes made to end a legacy this gen...

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1570831,00.html

FatalDomain