PS3 Is Dying?!!

[QUOTE="azad_champ"]

[QUOTE="ForgottenDemon"]I'm not saying this because I'm a Xbox 360 fan but anyone who has a sharp eye can notice that the console is dying. I mean seriosly it has no good games or worthy to play (except Ninja Gaiden, Resistance) and PSN is not strong as XBL. Overall the price is the most shocking to the people who can't affrod that and already Sony fans. You can by an Xbox 360 Elite cheaper than a 20GB PS3. So Is it really dying? Or it will come back?!!x_boyfriend

It's funny how it is a Lem saying that PS3 will die. The reason why no games have been released lately is because it's summer and beginning end of August the game drought will end.

Ah, I thought everyone agreed it was 08

he obvioulsy didn't get the memo.

[QUOTE="bezaire2005"]

[QUOTE="JPOBS"]its selling about as good as the 360 did over this portion of its life cycle....stefanlek

With over 120 million fanbase from last gen it should be selling much much better.

Nearly everyone i know owns a ps2 and is waiting for a price drop for the ps3. Also alot of them are waiting for games such as PES 2008. I think time will tell.

Which is pretty much what I said earlier. If people are waiting for a price drop (there already has been one) and are waiting for games than it's obviously not a big enough draw at this point.

[QUOTE="ForgottenDemon"][QUOTE="therealmcc0y"]

Bioshock got a 9/10 which isnt what people expected, every1 was 9.5/10 fo sho

... i woke up and came on gamespot and laughed at the score literally

ragek1ll589

Do you only listen to GS?!! BioShock got 9.7/10 from IGN.

Ha! Do

Ya...we'll see what happens if/when Heavensly Sword/Lair flops hard at GS and cows are pointing to other sites for reviews.

cough Resistance cough.

[QUOTE="ragek1ll589"][QUOTE="ForgottenDemon"][QUOTE="therealmcc0y"]

Bioshock got a 9/10 which isnt what people expected, every1 was 9.5/10 fo sho

... i woke up and came on gamespot and laughed at the score literally

bezaire2005

Do you only listen to GS?!! BioShock got 9.7/10 from IGN.

Ha! Do

Ya...we'll see what happens if/when Heavensly Sword/Lair flops hard at GS and cows are pointing to other sites for reviews.

cough Resistance cough.

You guys believe that PS3 is going to survive?!! Halo 3 is killer game track its records and you will it will get a super hype from evry game site and hopefully will kill PS3... even in 2008 if they add downloadable content just like Oblivion but not for PS3 heheheheheh :twisted: and what games for PS3 is coming out in 2008 in order to save it?ForgottenDemon

the ps3 is easily going to survive,it has a great line up this year.

[QUOTE="bezaire2005"][QUOTE="ragek1ll589"][QUOTE="ForgottenDemon"][QUOTE="therealmcc0y"]

Bioshock got a 9/10 which isnt what people expected, every1 was 9.5/10 fo sho

... i woke up and came on gamespot and laughed at the score literally

ragek1ll589

Do you only listen to GS?!! BioShock got 9.7/10 from IGN.

Ha! Do

Ya...we'll see what happens if/when Heavensly Sword/Lair flops hard at GS and cows are pointing to other sites for reviews.

cough Resistance cough.

you'll be outnumbered...always.

you'll be outnumbered...always.bezaire2005

At first I admit I bought into the whole "360 has nothing in 08" argument since I hadn't heard of anything being announced...but now that I look at the 08 lineup...it's actually arguably just as good if not better than the 07 lineup:

Halo Wars, Fable 2, UT3, Fallout 3, SC:conviction, Gears of War 2 (probable), Ninja Gaiden 2 (probably), Far Cry 2, Star Wars, Condemned 2, Saints Row 2, Battlefield, DMC4, and GTA 4.

Nota bad lineup if you ask me. Of course some of those are ps3/360multiplat...but with the 360'scurrentxboxlive advantage and the way that most multiplats have turned out sofar, I don't think that is a negative on the 360 at all.

[QUOTE="bezaire2005"]you'll be outnumbered...always.ragek1ll589

I'm not arguing rules with you..because I know the rules. And i've never used another site as an excuse....all i'm saying is that it will happen and than the number of people citing other reviews will outnumber the people telling them to go somewhere else. If you agree with me..than great. If you don't, than I don't know what to tell you.

At first I admit I bought into the whole "360 has nothing in 08" argument since I hadn't heard of anything being announced...but now that I look at the 08 lineup...it's actually arguably just as good if not better than the 07 lineup:

Halo Wars, Fable 2, UT3, Fallout 3, SC:conviction, Gears of War 2 (probable), Ninja Gaiden 2 (probably), Far Cry 2, Star Wars, Condemned 2, Saints Row 2, Battlefield, DMC4, and GTA 4.

Nota bad lineup if you ask me. Of course some of those are ps3/360multiplat...but with the 360'scurrentxboxlive advantage and the way that most multiplats have turned out sofar, I don't think that is a negative on the 360 at all.

bezaire2005

[QUOTE="ragek1ll589"][QUOTE="bezaire2005"]you'll be outnumbered...always.bezaire2005

I'm not arguing rules with you..because I know the rules. And i've never used another site as an excuse....all i'm saying is that it will happen and than the number of people citing other reviews will outnumber the people telling them to go somewhere else. If you agree with me..than great. If you don't, than I don't know what to tell you.

[QUOTE="ForgottenDemon"]I'm not saying this because I'm a Xbox 360 fan but anyone who has a sharp eye can notice that the console is dying. I mean seriosly it has no good games or worthy to play (except Ninja Gaiden, Resistance) and PSN is not strong as XBL. Overall the price is the most shocking to the people who can't affrod that and already Sony fans. You can by an Xbox 360 Elite cheaper than a 20GB PS3. So Is it really dying? Or it will come back?!!azad_champ

It's funny how it is a Lem saying that PS3 will die. The reason why no games have been released lately is because it's summer and beginning end of August the game drought will end.

yeah, i'm sure heavenly flop, warflop, and lair flop will save it.

[QUOTE="Seckzy_Gamer"]

[QUOTE="Realtop"]Ps3 has a much brighter future than Xbox360. TriangleHard

Not really dude, you need to look at software sales which the 360 is beating both the Wii and Ps3

and if you look at future line up in games, 360 doesn't look so hot.

PS2 started out slow too. MGS2 didn't come out for a full year after the launch if my memory serves me correctly and many of the games before that was fairly subpar.

At first I admit I bought into the whole "360 has nothing in 08" argument since I hadn't heard of anything being announced...but now that I look at the 08 lineup...it's actually arguably just as good if not better than the 07 lineup:

Halo Wars, Fable 2, UT3, Fallout 3, SC:conviction, Gears of War 2 (probable), Ninja Gaiden 2 (probably), Far Cry 2, Star Wars, Condemned 2, Saints Row 2, Battlefield, DMC4, and GTA 4.

Nota bad lineup if you ask me. Of course some of those are ps3/360multiplat...but with the 360'scurrentxboxlive advantage and the way that most multiplats have turned out sofar, I don't think that is a negative on the 360 at all.

bezaire2005

you must not be a jrpg fan because you forgot exclusives like Infinite undiscovery and Cry on.

[QUOTE="bezaire2005"]

[QUOTE="ragek1ll589"][QUOTE="bezaire2005"]you'll be outnumbered...always.ragek1ll589

I'm not arguing rules with you..because I know the rules. And i've never used another site as an excuse....all i'm saying is that it will happen and than the number of people citing other reviews will outnumber the people telling them to go somewhere else. If you agree with me..than great. If you don't, than I don't know what to tell you.

lol ya..i know, I said I know the rules. We seem to be on the same page. We both know it will happen.

[QUOTE="bezaire2005"]

At first I admit I bought into the whole "360 has nothing in 08" argument since I hadn't heard of anything being announced...but now that I look at the 08 lineup...it's actually arguably just as good if not better than the 07 lineup:

Halo Wars, Fable 2, UT3, Fallout 3, SC:conviction, Gears of War 2 (probable), Ninja Gaiden 2 (probably), Far Cry 2, Star Wars, Condemned 2, Saints Row 2, Battlefield, DMC4, and GTA 4.

Nota bad lineup if you ask me. Of course some of those are ps3/360multiplat...but with the 360'scurrentxboxlive advantage and the way that most multiplats have turned out sofar, I don't think that is a negative on the 360 at all.

Tactis

you must not be a jrpg fan because you forgot exclusives like Infinite undiscovery and Cry on.

lol ya your right...i'm not. But thanks for supplementing the list.

Its not dying. The 360 on the other hand...-AK47-

Yes it is!

lol ya..i know, I said I know the rules. We seem to be on the same page. We both know it will happen.bezaire2005

PS3 is not literally going to die. It has too much brand equity for that to happen.

But it is going to suffer one of the largest market share losses ever for a single product over a single generation. That is certain.

Here's some facts to chew on on why the PS2 was successful:

1. Huge PS1 install base - check for this generation

2. 1 Year lead - oops, not this generattion

3. 20 million to zero lead before either competitor launched - oops, not this generation

4. Significant games base before competitors launched - oops, not this generation

5. Other than a few notable exceptions (Halo), PS2 had a great lineup available in the key Christmas period that Xbox and GC both launched in....so PS2 had a 20 million lead.....and better games in the first 6 months of the other two platforms lives - oops, not this generation

6. PS2 launched in N America with a $299 price tag - yikes, double ooops, not in this generation

7. PS2 had 30 million sales 18 months after launching in N America - not too likely...only 25 million to go in the next 8 months

8. 18 months after launching in N America, and 6 months after both GC and XBox launched, PS2 dropped their price to $199.....reaching that magic cheap mass market price relatively quickly - ahhhh, how many years will that take this generation?

9. After dropping their price to $199, having 30 million units sold, and a 25 million unit lead, with the largest and best game inventory on hand, and the best prospects for more games, PS2 really took off - notice what things were combined to make that happen

10. PS2 sold something like 115 -120 million units. The competitors sold 45 million combined.

So I ask you, what are the odds that Wii will sell close to 20 million units by year end or early 08? Virtually certain.

And Xbox will sell at least what $15-16 million by then?

Meaning the two combined will sell 35 million units by early 08...and 45 million units by mid-08.

Meaning by mid-08 every Wii/360 sold will be at the expense of PS3 market share relative to PS2 market share.

Now with two healthy competitors, one with momentum, innovation, public perception and a cheap mass market price, and one with equally good capabilities to the PS3, better current library, equally good library for at least the next 6 months to a year (assuming it can get beyond the RROD debacle), and a better price....

I ask you WTF can Sony do? They cannot compete on price. They cannot and will not have a big library/games coming lead before mid-08 at best.

PS3 is a total disaster for Sony. They can and will stay in the game because of their Brand and install base, but they have essentially pissed that away this generation. A complete debacle regardless of the final numbers because they have already lost significant market share and will be lucky to even sell the most units in a 3 way dog fight, and even that seems very unlikely given the Wii's total market dominance right now.

Mark my words...the business schools will be teaching this mess for years to come - PS3: Losing Market Share Fast - How not to bring an updated product to the market.

PS3 is not literally going to die. It has too much brand equity for that to happen.

But it is going to suffer one of the largest market share losses ever for a single product over a single generation. That is certain.

Here's some facts to chew on on why the PS2 was successful:

1. Huge PS1 install base - check for this generation

2. 1 Year lead - oops, not this generattion

3. 20 million to zero lead before either competitor launched - oops, not this generation

4. Significant games base before competitors launched - oops, not this generation

5. Other than a few notable exceptions (Halo), PS2 had a great lineup available in the key Christmas period that Xbox and GC both launched in....so PS2 had a 20 million lead.....and better games in the first 6 months of the other two platforms lives - oops, not this generation

6. PS2 launched in N America with a $299 price tag - yikes, double ooops, not in this generation

7. PS2 had 30 million sales 18 months after launching in N America - not too likely...only 25 million to go in the next 8 months

8. 18 months after launching in N America, and 6 months after both GC and XBox launched, PS2 dropped their price to $199.....reaching that magic cheap mass market price relatively quickly - ahhhh, how many years will that take this generation?

9. After dropping their price to $199, having 30 million units sold, and a 25 million unit lead, with the largest and best game inventory on hand, and the best prospects for more games, PS2 really took off - notice what things were combined to make that happen

10. PS2 sold something like 115 -120 million units. The competitors sold 45 million combined.

So I ask you, what are the odds that Wii will sell close to 20 million units by year end or early 08? Virtually certain.

And Xbox will sell at least what $15-16 million by then?

Meaning the two combined will sell 35 million units by early 08...and 45 million units by mid-08.

Meaning by mid-08 every Wii/360 sold will be at the expense of PS3 market share relative to PS2 market share.

Now with two healthy competitors, one with momentum, innovation, public perception and a cheap mass market price, and one with equally good capabilities to the PS3, better current library, equally good library for at least the next 6 months to a year (assuming it can get beyond the RROD debacle), and a better price....

I ask you WTF can Sony do? They cannot compete on price. They cannot and will not have a big library/games coming lead before mid-08 at best.

PS3 is a total disaster for Sony. They can and will stay in the game because of their Brand and install base, but they have essentially pissed that away this generation. A complete debacle regardless of the final numbers because they have already lost significant market share and will be lucky to even sell the most units in a 3 way dog fight, and even that seems very unlikely given the Wii's total market dominance right now.

Mark my words...the business schools will be teaching this mess for years to come - PS3: Losing Market Share Fast - How not to bring an updated product to the market.

SUD123456

At first I admit I bought into the whole "360 has nothing in 08" argument since I hadn't heard of anything being announced...but now that I look at the 08 lineup...it's actually arguably just as good if not better than the 07 lineup:

Halo Wars, Fable 2, UT3, Fallout 3, SC:conviction, Gears of War 2 (probable), Ninja Gaiden 2 (probably), Far Cry 2, Star Wars, Condemned 2, Saints Row 2, Battlefield, DMC4, and GTA 4.

Nota bad lineup if you ask me. Of course some of those are ps3/360multiplat...but with the 360'scurrentxboxlive advantage and the way that most multiplats have turned out sofar, I don't think that is a negative on the 360 at all.

bezaire2005

[QUOTE="DarkChaoMan75"][QUOTE="Seckzy_Gamer"]

[QUOTE="Realtop"]Ps3 has a much brighter future than Xbox360. Seckzy_Gamer

Not really dude, you need to look at software sales which the 360 is beating both the Wii and Ps3

Actually man,since Nintendo starting shipping more Wiis, the Wii now has more sales than the 360 & Ps3, but yes the 360 has the most software sales only really because it has been out the longest.

Madden sold more on the 360 than any system this and last gen combined(meaning Ps2 etc, etc)

you must be kidding me. i hope you are cuz first of all if every 360 user ever bought madden when it was out then that still would only be about 10 percent of the ps2 owners. you sir need to get your facts straight

What is with this "wait till later on" mentality you all seem to posess? Do any of you actually live in the present or are you all futurebound.

When I buy a gaming platform, be it a 360, PS3, a Wii or a PC, I expect games to play. And because this is a race, having a handful of AA titles doesn't cut the mustard.

If the PS3 was behind the X360 for a year, they should have motivated themselves with a hard hitting launch. Instead we were struck with but not one AAA title and a shooter (in a sea of shooters) which whilst a great game in its own right, fails to justify its insane price.

There are no excuses, and there should be no more waiting. Not all of us enjoy sitting around playing games from last generation (which would could have done anyway) to bide time. Coming on to a year is long enough, and since all consoles are competing in the present, all the consoles should always be striving to deliver.

If Sony expects everyone to sit around whilst other platforms muster up AAA titles they are out of their minds.

KirbyFan10101

Well personaly dont mind waiting I got new PS2 games to keep me entertained :D

Your forgetting Sony has 2 consoles out and they're giving attention to both and well there may not be too many good PS3 games out there are good PS2 games coming(alot of which are on the Wii :D) so this is why I THINK the Ps3 isnt selling much. PS2 owners dont see a reason to go to next gen with Wii games on PS2, 360 bad hardware and a small PS3 line-up so far. This is why Im WAITING till Christmas.

EDIT: if you own a PS3 you can still wait by playing these cool new PS2 games too(backwards capibilityFTW)

Cause MGS and FF?

Two games are not going to save the Ps3 and you have no idea what MS has planned for 2008 which I'm sure is going to rival or even out do whatever the Ps3 has to offer

well its worked well enough for the xbox

and i dont know but maybe theres a reason we dont no anything about the xbox 360 line-up in 08 it could be beacuse they dotn have one yet

lol never, the super powerful machine is about to have a rebirth, specialy in november !

ps3 is NOT about to die !

Funny you should mention dying, my brothers 360 got RROD last wedsnday :DImaPirate0202

And all 39 people on my friends list got the RROD at the same time last night!! Oops, I just finished playing Chromehounds..... :shock:

First of all, xbl is not stronger than psn. There are both the same because every ps3 owner should have live id. Every 360 do not have live id cuz they have to pay for it.

Second, there are plenty of good games out there to play: R:Fom, motorstorm, oblivion, NGS, ghost recon:AW, GT HD.

In a way ps3 is cheaper than 360 if you really think about the additional things you gotta buy for it.Like xbox live, wirreless adapter, hddvd player. Thats $700 right there.

First of all, xbl is not stronger than psn. There are both the same because every ps3 owner should have live id. Every 360 do not have live id cuz they have to pay for it.

Second, there are plenty of good games out there to play: R:Fom, motorstorm, oblivion, NGS, ghost recon:AW, GT HD.

In a way ps3 is cheaper than 360 if you really think about the additional things you gotta buy for it.Like xbox live, wirreless adapter, hddvd player. Thats $700 right there.

PS3Licker

[QUOTE="JPOBS"]its selling about as good as the 360 did over this portion of its life cycle....bezaire2005

With over 120 million fanbase from last gen it should be selling much much better.

It should be, but those fans are still out there and they're waiting. I'm not one of them but I know a bunch of people that are definitely passive aggresive cows. They still believe the PS3 will deliver and they're just waiting for that time to come...and for a major price drop.

My point is that if this group of people that I know represent a percentage, then once PS3 starts to deliver then there's a good chance that the sales will sky-rocket.

I would rather have a 360 :)

[QUOTE="PS3Licker"]

First of all, xbl is not stronger than psn. There are both the same because every ps3 owner should have live id. Every 360 do not have live id cuz they have to pay for it.

Second, there are plenty of good games out there to play: R:Fom, motorstorm, oblivion, NGS, ghost recon:AW, GT HD.

In a way ps3 is cheaper than 360 if you really think about the additional things you gotta buy for it.Like xbox live, wirreless adapter, hddvd player. Thats $700 right there.

My_Name_Is_Sin

Damn RPGs! Is that the only thing that you guys care about?!! And XBOX 360 has the best rpg Oblivion. One game you say? What about BioShock? Gears of War?

Funny you should mention dying, my brothers 360 got RROD last wedsnday :DImaPirate0202

Jesus Christ the ignorance is astounding! The PS3 is outselling the 360 worldwide. The PS3 is chipping away at the head start that the 360 had which was less than ten million at year's end 2006. Ninpo_Osa

That could be one of the most ironic posts I have ever read. The PS3 is chipping away at the X360s lead? Uhhh...yah...at the rate it is chipping away it ought to get there in about 5 years. Meanwhile, there is this thing called the Wii, perhaps you have heard of it? It is CRUSHING both the 360 and PS3 at the rate of 3 to 1 sales against either, worldwide.

Jesus' ignorance seems widespread.

I'm not saying this because I'm a Xbox 360 fan but anyone who has a sharp eye can notice that the console is dying. I mean seriosly it has no good games or worthy to play (except Ninja Gaiden, Resistance) and PSN is not strong as XBL. Overall the price is the most shocking to the people who can't affrod that and already Sony fans. You can by an Xbox 360 Elite cheaper than a 20GB PS3. So Is it really dying? Or it will come back?!!ForgottenDemon

I stopped reading there after that.

It is selling fine. Slower than predicted, but faster than the Xbox 360 did.

[QUOTE="Ninpo_Osa"]Jesus Christ the ignorance is astounding! The PS3 is outselling the 360 worldwide. The PS3 is chipping away at the head start that the 360 had which was less than ten million at year's end 2006. SUD123456

That could be one of the most ironic posts I have ever read. The PS3 is chipping away at the X360s lead? Uhhh...yah...at the rate it is chipping away it ought to get there in about 5 years. Meanwhile, there is this thing called the Wii, perhaps you have heard of it? It is CRUSHING both the 360 and PS3 at the rate of 3 to 1 sales against either, worldwide.

Jesus' ignorance seems widespread.

So PS3 fans are attacking? It is scientific fact that PS3 is dying and it needs time to get things rightForgottenDemon

Is that a fact according to what scientist, oh I know the MS one. How can you say that when PS3 has so far had better showings at both E3 and Liepzig, and will most likely do well at TGS as to Japan the 360 is a joke. Also you claim that PS3 has no games to be honest with you the only games that I can remeber on the 360 since launch are gears, FM2, crackdown (Halo demo), and dead rising. All the games you lems boast about have come 2 years after your launch.

I also like how you make your grand statement after bearly a year out on the market. Also lets see how dead the PS3 is when FF, MGS, and GT come out. The reason I mention those is because for both PS1 and PS2 those titles have moved consoles. The only one proven title that will move 360s is Halo and deep down how many more Halo fans do you think are still lurking around waiting to get a 360 for Halo. I will agree there are some but no where nearas many as there are waiting for MGS say.