PS3 is slowly but surely overtaking the 360, one step at a time

Better believe it, the moment PS3 stepped in the market the 360 has lost it's lead in most countries. The 360's year lead was supposed to really help and the fact the PS3 started of really lacklustre and with a huge price tag you would assume that 2007 was the beginning and the end of PS3. Well like any underdog story the PS3 kept taking the beating from 360 and still didn't go down but was persistant in reclaiming the success which is associated with the Playstation brand.

Sony are not stupid they know what the strengths & weaknesses of 360 are and instead of trying to battle against 360's strengths they are first aiming at it's weaknesses and capitalizing on them, in this case the weakness is everything but America. Yeah 360 has the games and the features but it also has alot of things which are just a total pain most notably RROD.

Thee Playstation 3 is not in the market for a few years but a full 8 years atleast of lifespan, the Playstation brand's life span has always increased from the previous Gen, the PS1 had a 5-6 years lifespan, the PS2 had a 6-7 years lifespan and the PS3 will have a 7-8 years of lifespan if not more. The jump from PS2 to 3 is far bigger then the jump from PS1 to 2 and guys from Insomniac had already pointed this out in a previous interview.

When Microsoft first launched their precious 360 console they had really underestimated of the competition to come considering they were making stupid remarks like "360 will sell over 1billion software" and "Japan will lose out if they don't adopt the 360".I know Sony has makes stupid remarks but come on, Microsoft made stupid remarks after the failure ofXbox but Sony made stupid remarks after the enourmous success of the PS2 and the Playstation brand in general. You can afford to make stupid remarks when your at the top :P

Well anyway the 360 already seems to have peaked and honestly the 360 has no games this year which will out class it's last years success. Banjo threeie, Ninja Gaiden 2 & Too Human are not going to expand the 360 user base as they don't have the broad appeal which GeOW & Halo 3 has.

You guys are unaware but you are witnessing the downfall of Microsoft's juggernaut as we speak. let me explain.

Last year Microsoft fell flat in Japan which is no doubt an important market, the PS3 overtook despite 360's year alone effort and 2 launches.

This year, the year 2008 you will witness the downfall of 360 in Europe, 360 has been doing lacklustre despite year lead and the PS3 is rapidly catching up.

Also my friends Microsofts home advantage is the next downfall. In the year 2009 you will witness the fall of 360 in America as the PS3 overtakes thus leaving Microsoft nothing but sweet memories of that year alone it had in the market.

I understand that I have not mentioned the Wii, I'm not discounting the Wii in anyway but as far as I know the Wii is not aiming at a direct battle with PS3 & 360. Wii is aiming for the casual market, the folks who hardly ever play games whilst PS3 & 360 are aiming for the same market. The Wii will be a 2nd console to gamers but they will either choose PS3 or 360 as their 1st console depending on what appeals to them the most.

it would of been a lot easier to say "just wait".TheDarkDisciple

more effective too.

Another religious argument.

I own both and can say without reservation that the PS3 is an ok system if that's all you can have. Maybe someday I can base my purchase decisions on my level of emotional attachment I have with the product but that day is not today.

The PS3 may pass the 360 in sales at some point but I don't care about populartity I care about what games I get to play.

I blew the money on the PS3 and 360 in order to play games, I will blow the money on the next Xbox in 2010 or 2011 so I can play whatever it has.

Who ends up in third or fourth place behind the Wii and PC is not really my problem.

Another religious argument.

I own both and can say without reservation that the PS3 is an ok system if that's all you can have. Maybe someday I can base my purchase decisions on my level of emotional attachment I have with the product but that day is not today.

The PS3 may pass the 360 in sales at some point but I don't care about populartity I care about what games I get to play.

I blew the money on the PS3 and 360 in order to play games, I will blow the money on the next Xbox in 2010 or 2011 so I can play whatever it has.

Who ends up in third or fourth place behind the Wii and PC is not really my problem.

Riverwolf007

good post.

Here's my question: Even if the 360's 08 year is a dud, don't 360 owners have a, "just wait" year to fall back on? Seems only fair seeing as how that's all you heard from most PS3 owners last year.D0013ER

No, because for the most part, the 360 already has installments of its biggest franchises. Halo, PGR, SC, DOA, FORZA...all those games have already been released, in fact I've probably left out a few. Fable 2 and NG 2 are coming this year, great, should be good. Thats 2 games.

But other than a Gears 2 what else is there to look forward to? Chronicles of Riddick is getting remade, instead of them making a sequel, correct? KOTOR 3 hasn't been announced. A sequel to Jade Empire, who knows?

This is why MS is at a severe disadvantage. They lack far behind Sony and Nintendo in familiar franchises. And while it sucks that most established PS franchises are not first party and thus capable of going elsewhere (DMC4), some of their biggest hitters have remained loyal to the company with the smallest userbase so far this gen.

Lemmings bash the PS3 and cows rightly say "just wait" because THEIR established franchises haven't dropped yet and they have a lot more of them to count on. So until games like MGS4, GT5, TEKKEN 6, SOCOM: CONFRONTATION, FF13 are released, nobody can rightly comment on the issue.

Lemmings bash the PS3 and cows rightly say "just wait" because THEIR established franchises haven't dropped yet and they have a lot more of them to count on. So until games like MGS4, GT5, TEKKEN 6, SOCOM: CONFRONTATION, FF13 are released, nobody can rightly comment on the issue.

NavigatorsGhost

The better part of, "just wait"-ing last year wasn't for MGSIV or FFXIII or Killzone 2, it was for games like... Motorstorm, Heavenly Sword and Lair. Franchises don't get much more un-established than those.

Stopped reading as soon as you said the 360 didn't have any games this year. And even before that, it was hard to stomach.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=223922

[QUOTE="NavigatorsGhost"]

Lemmings bash the PS3 and cows rightly say "just wait" because THEIR established franchises haven't dropped yet and they have a lot more of them to count on. So until games like MGS4, GT5, TEKKEN 6, SOCOM: CONFRONTATION, FF13 are released, nobody can rightly comment on the issue.

D0013ER

The better part of, "just wait"-ing last year wasn't for MGSIV or FFXIII or Killzone 2, it was for games like... Motorstorm, Heavenly Sword and Lair. Franchises don't get much more un-established than those.

I can't control what other people say on this board. Personally, I wasn't anticipating any of those games, I don't own any of those games, and I won't defend any of those games.

How anyone could hype Lair, a game about FIGHTING DRAGONS, is beyond me. I don't care how good it apparently looked visually at the time before it was released.

The developers of Motorstorm didn't even finish the game, its embarassing. The game is lacking standard options that have been in racing games for close to two decades. I don't know why it was hyped either. Graphics? Who cares? You want to hype a racing game, go with GT. Everyone knows that GT is the king of racing games on the PS platforms, maybe all platforms.

Heavenly Sword is disgustingly short. I'm done shelling out 50 or 60 bucks on a game that can be finished in a dedicated weekend and has absolutely no replay. And since its not on 360, it doesn't even have crappy achievements you can waste time getting.

"Just wait" is inappropriately used on here all the time and lems have their fun with it as well. Only time I've ever made that statement was in reference to proven franchises. I think its only fair that the PS3 shouldn't be judged until some of its known franchises have released installments this gen. Launch games on any system aren't going to stack up to 2nd year games on a comparable system, including games that are from proven franchises. Thats why there is no point in addressing the "winner" of the 360/PS3 battle yet.

A new IP will never get the promise of being good from me.

Another religious argument.

I own both and can say without reservation that the PS3 is an ok system if that's all you can have. Maybe someday I can base my purchase decisions on my level of emotional attachment I have with the product but that day is not today.

The PS3 may pass the 360 in sales at some point but I don't care about populartity I care about what games I get to play.

I blew the money on the PS3 and 360 in order to play games, I will blow the money on the next Xbox in 2010 or 2011 so I can play whatever it has.

Who ends up in third or fourth place behind the Wii and PC is not really my problem.

Riverwolf007

Very well said.

Nice. Come back when it overtakes the Xbox 360 in its biggest region, the United States of America.BioShockOwnz

Jeez I don't even know why you guys bother replying if you are not even going to read the the thread, I mean it's not like it's wall of text, I have put it in paragraphs for you guys but you still don't read. If your going to say that it's not worth reading then why reply ? your better of going to another thread in system wars.... oh and talking about system war what what do you expect from a place like this ? everyone talking abouthow much they love each system ?

System wars is a place of war and if I choose to bash the 360 I'm doing it in the right place. I reckon my thread is not fanboyish at all, I mean I have mentionedwhy I believe the 360 is doing, as well as mentioning some concrete facts about the 360 and upcoming games.

You don't wanna read?, fine but don't bother posting either.

now what was I saying.... oh yeah !

Last year Microsoft fell flat in Japan which is no doubt an important market, the PS3 overtook despite 360's year alone effort and 2 launches.

This year, the year 2008 you will witness the downfall of 360 in Europe, 360 has been doing lacklustre despite year lead and the PS3 is rapidly catching up.

Also my friends Microsofts home advantage is thefinal downfall. In the year 2009 you will witness the fall of 360's major advantage. The PS3 shallovertake 360 in America thus leaving 360 trailing behind in 3rd place by fall 09 just about 3 years after the launch of the PS3, this will leave PS3 having great success the remainder of it's lifespan which will be another 5 years after it had overtaken the 360 worldwide.

Oh and guys, don't kid yourself, with Playstation brand you are bound to get GREAT games for years to come. here's a list in this link which I can't be bothered to type up as I had done so may times before.

http://uk.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=26128350

Oh and guys, don't kid yourself, with Playstation brand you are bound to get GREAT games for years to come. here's a list in this link which I can't be bothered to type up as I had done so may times before.

http://uk.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=26128350

Swift_Boss_A

Awww, you ignored my post which does the same thing, how adorable.

Jeez I don't even know why you guys bother replying if you are not even going to read the the thread, I mean it's not like it's wall of text, I have put it in paragraphs for you guys but you still don't read. If your going to say that it's not worth reading then why reply ? your better of going to another thread in system wars.... oh and talking about system war what what do you expect from a place like this ? everyone talking abouthow much they love each system ?

System wars is a place of war and if I choose to bash the 360 I'm doing it in the right place. I reckon my thread is not fanboyish at all, I mean I have mentionedwhy I believe the 360 is doing, as well as mentioning some concrete facts about the 360 and upcoming games.

You don't wanna read?, fine but don't bother posting either.

now what was I saying.... oh yeah !

Last year Microsoft fell flat in Japan which is no doubt an important market, the PS3 overtook despite 360's year alone effort and 2 launches.

This year, the year 2008 you will witness the downfall of 360 in Europe, 360 has been doing lacklustre despite year lead and the PS3 is rapidly catching up.

Also my friends Microsofts home advantage is thefinal downfall. In the year 2009 you will witness the fall of 360's major advantage. The PS3 shallovertake 360 in America thus leaving 360 trailing behind in 3rd place by fall 09 just about 3 years after the launch of the PS3, this will leave PS3 having great success the remainder of it's lifespan which will be another 5 years after it had overtaken the 360 worldwide.

Oh and guys, don't kid yourself, with Playstation brand you are bound to get GREAT games for years to come. here's a list in this link which I can't be bothered to type up as I had done so may times before.

http://uk.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=26128350

Swift_Boss_A

Like Lair, Heavenly Sword and Motorstorm? MS's first party games have been far more consistent with quality.

Oh and guys, don't kid yourself, with Playstation brand you are bound to get GREAT games for years to come. here's a list in this link which I can't be bothered to type up as I had done so may times before.

Swift_Boss_A

The same line that Sony and the Cows keep trying to sell me and other folks who paid over six hundred bucks at launch to be told a year later and a price drop and bundle later that "Its coming"

The linked list is no different then the one I saw in this very fourm last January hyping Lair, Heavenly Sword and Killzone 2 as "hot "2007" PS3 titles.

I will make the same comment now as I did then, I hope that I start seeing the goods but till I do its all just words and promises.

I have had words and promises for the last 14 months, when do I get the games?

[QUOTE="D0013ER"][QUOTE="NavigatorsGhost"]

Lemmings bash the PS3 and cows rightly say "just wait" because THEIR established franchises haven't dropped yet and they have a lot more of them to count on. So until games like MGS4, GT5, TEKKEN 6, SOCOM: CONFRONTATION, FF13 are released, nobody can rightly comment on the issue.

NavigatorsGhost

The better part of, "just wait"-ing last year wasn't for MGSIV or FFXIII or Killzone 2, it was for games like... Motorstorm, Heavenly Sword and Lair. Franchises don't get much more un-established than those.

I can't control what other people say on this board. Personally, I wasn't anticipating any of those games, I don't own any of those games, and I won't defend any of those games.

How anyone could hype Lair, a game about FIGHTING DRAGONS, is beyond me. I don't care how good it apparently looked visually at the time before it was released.

The developers of Motorstorm didn't even finish the game, its embarassing. The game is lacking standard options that have been in racing games for close to two decades. I don't know why it was hyped either. Graphics? Who cares? You want to hype a racing game, go with GT. Everyone knows that GT is the king of racing games on the PS platforms, maybe all platforms.

Heavenly Sword is disgustingly short. I'm done shelling out 50 or 60 bucks on a game that can be finished in a dedicated weekend and has absolutely no replay. And since its not on 360, it doesn't even have crappy achievements you can waste time getting.

"Just wait" is inappropriately used on here all the time and lems have their fun with it as well. Only time I've ever made that statement was in reference to proven franchises. I think its only fair that the PS3 shouldn't be judged until some of its known franchises have released installments this gen. Launch games on any system aren't going to stack up to 2nd year games on a comparable system, including games that are from proven franchises. Thats why there is no point in addressing the "winner" of the 360/PS3 battle yet.

A new IP will never get the promise of being good from me.

Stopped reading as soon as you said the 360 didn't have any games this year. And even before that, it was hard to stomach.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=223922

Verge_6

wow you didn't even read what came next after you stopped because you assumed that I only said 360 had no games this year when it rightly does. What I actually said was that 360 has no games which will broaden the 360's user base and cause a huge sales surgelike GeOW & Halo 3 did. Do you really believe any of those 360 games coming out this year will replicate the success of Halo 3 ?

oh and good list, heres the PS3's 8)

http://uk.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=26128350

Like Lair, Heavenly Sword and Motorstorm? MS's first party games have been far more consistent with quality.BioShockOwnz

look buddy last year was the year of new IP's for PS3 where some were a miss like MotorStorm & Lairand some were a hit like Uncharted & Heavenly sword. PS3 fans were waiting for the established franchise last year like MGS4 which got delaying till mid 09.

This year is unlike 07 because this year thePS3 will have titles which are proven success. titles like:

• MGS4
• FF13
• Gran Turismo 5
• Tekken 6

i know many people with just a wii and there happy with it .deadmeat59

yeah they are called casuals :P

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]

Stopped reading as soon as you said the 360 didn't have any games this year. And even before that, it was hard to stomach.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=223922

Swift_Boss_A

wow you didn't even read what came next after you stopped because you assumed that I only said 360 had no games this year when it rightly does. What I actually said was that 360 has no games which will broaden the 360's user base and cause a huge sales surgelike GeOW & Halo 3 did. Do you really believe any of those 360 games coming out this year will replicate the success of Halo 3 ?

oh and good list, heres the PS3's 8)

http://uk.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=26128350

How do you know? More assumptions? Seriously, you're making me ashamed of being an MGS fan.

wow you didn't even read what came next after you stopped because you assumed that I only said 360 had no games this year when it rightly does. What I actually said was that 360 has no games which will broaden the 360's user base and cause a huge sales surgelike GeOW & Halo 3 did. Do you really believe any of those 360 games coming out this year will replicate the success of Halo 3 ?Swift_Boss_A

[QUOTE="Swift_Boss_A"] wow you didn't even read what came next after you stopped because you assumed that I only said 360 had no games this year when it rightly does. What I actually said was that 360 has no games which will broaden the 360's user base and cause a huge sales surgelike GeOW & Halo 3 did. Do you really believe any of those 360 games coming out this year will replicate the success of Halo 3 ?Blue-Sphere

Apparently, games like 50cent: Bulletproof or hella great, seeing as it sold alot. Seriously, this topic is an embarassment.

Just because the 360 may or may not have games that will "broaden the user base" or sell like H3 or GeoW doesn't automatically mean the 360 won't have any good games. :|Blue-Sphere

You absolutely right :) but you see Microsoft is in a competition with Sony and as it it stand Microsoft doesn't have a game this year which will allow it to stand up to PS3 considering PS3 has killer app titles like MGS4, LBP, GT5 Tekken 6 and possibly FF13 along with other potential killer apps. Good games won't cut it for Microsoft this year if they hope to keep that 7 million gap with PS3.

Well also the PS3 will no doubt overtake 360 in Europe this year where the 360 is performing quite lacklustre, the PS3 is rapidly catching up fast.

[QUOTE="NavigatorsGhost"][QUOTE="D0013ER"][QUOTE="NavigatorsGhost"]

Lemmings bash the PS3 and cows rightly say "just wait" because THEIR established franchises haven't dropped yet and they have a lot more of them to count on. So until games like MGS4, GT5, TEKKEN 6, SOCOM: CONFRONTATION, FF13 are released, nobody can rightly comment on the issue.

Riverwolf007

The better part of, "just wait"-ing last year wasn't for MGSIV or FFXIII or Killzone 2, it was for games like... Motorstorm, Heavenly Sword and Lair. Franchises don't get much more un-established than those.

I can't control what other people say on this board. Personally, I wasn't anticipating any of those games, I don't own any of those games, and I won't defend any of those games.

How anyone could hype Lair, a game about FIGHTING DRAGONS, is beyond me. I don't care how good it apparently looked visually at the time before it was released.

The developers of Motorstorm didn't even finish the game, its embarassing. The game is lacking standard options that have been in racing games for close to two decades. I don't know why it was hyped either. Graphics? Who cares? You want to hype a racing game, go with GT. Everyone knows that GT is the king of racing games on the PS platforms, maybe all platforms.

Heavenly Sword is disgustingly short. I'm done shelling out 50 or 60 bucks on a game that can be finished in a dedicated weekend and has absolutely no replay. And since its not on 360, it doesn't even have crappy achievements you can waste time getting.

"Just wait" is inappropriately used on here all the time and lems have their fun with it as well. Only time I've ever made that statement was in reference to proven franchises. I think its only fair that the PS3 shouldn't be judged until some of its known franchises have released installments this gen. Launch games on any system aren't going to stack up to 2nd year games on a comparable system, including games that are from proven franchises. Thats why there is no point in addressing the "winner" of the 360/PS3 battle yet.

A new IP will never get the promise of being good from me.

Why is this so hard for you to understand?

EVERY SYSTEM HAS NEW IPS. WHAT IPS END UP BEING GOOD, IS ANYBODY'S GUESS. WHICH IPS END UP BEING HITS SALESWISE, IS ALSO ANYBODY'S GUESS. NOBODY KNOWS. THIS IS WHY COMPARING NEW IPS IS STUPID. IT CAN GO EITHER WAY.

Every system has new IPs which look amazing, ground breaking, earth shattering. It doesn't matter how many you list.

Compare that to established franchises. When installments of established franchises are released (Mario, Zelda, Final Fantasy, Gran Turismo), they are almost certain to do well in both sales and reviews. THEY ARE PROVEN SYSTEM SELLERS.

MS is sadly lacking in established franchises, mostly due to the fact that they haven't been part of the industry for very long. And they've already released installments for most of them this gen anyway (Halo, Forza, PGR, Splinter Cell).

On the other hand you have Nintendo with its franchises that have been around for two decades or so, and they are first party franchises.

And then you have Sony, with a ton of established franchises, so many that a lot of them have been forgotten about (COLONY WARS anyone?), but the difference is that most aren't first party and have a chance to go to other platforms (like DMC4).

However, the "big ones" are still exclusive to the PS3, so far this gen (MGS4, FF13, GT5, SOCOM: CONFRONTATION, TEKKEN 6). This is what matters. This is what sells consoles. New IPs alone aren't going to get it done. People want familiarity.

And half the games you mentioned as new IPs aren't even exclusives...so who cares?

[QUOTE="D0013ER"]Here's my question: Even if the 360's 08 year is a dud, don't 360 owners have a, "just wait" year to fall back on? Seems only fair seeing as how that's all you heard from most PS3 owners last year.NavigatorsGhost

No, because for the most part, the 360 already has installments of its biggest franchises. Halo, PGR, SC, DOA, FORZA...all those games have already been released, in fact I've probably left out a few. Fable 2 and NG 2 are coming this year, great, should be good. Thats 2 games.

But other than a Gears 2 what else is there to look forward to? Chronicles of Riddick is getting remade, instead of them making a sequel, correct? KOTOR 3 hasn't been announced. A sequel to Jade Empire, who knows?

This is why MS is at a severe disadvantage. They lack far behind Sony and Nintendo in familiar franchises. And while it sucks that most established PS franchises are not first party and thus capable of going elsewhere (DMC4), some of their biggest hitters have remained loyal to the company with the smallest userbase so far this gen.

Lemmings bash the PS3 and cows rightly say "just wait" because THEIR established franchises haven't dropped yet and they have a lot more of them to count on. So until games like MGS4, GT5, TEKKEN 6, SOCOM: CONFRONTATION, FF13 are released, nobody can rightly comment on the issue.

The difference is 360 sells software, and have proven to sell new IP's.

Gears of War mulit-million seller

Dead Rising and Lost Planet - Million + seller

Mass Effect - almost 2 Million

Bioshock - Multimillion.

Lets look at the ps3

Heavenly Sword

Lair

R & C

Uncharted

all to my knowledge have yet to hit the million mark, although I think R&C are close. They were massivily hyped as well, with marketing power behind em.

and the whole notion that the 360 sucks worldwide is false, and some of the fanboys around here need to get that outta there heads. USA/Canada is a given, but the 360 is also heavily winning Australia/New Zealand, battling ps3 in europe (I don't question ps3 has def. gained momentium here, but the 360 is still winning in some areas, UK for example). The only market 360 is really crapping a storm at is Japan.

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"][QUOTE="NavigatorsGhost"][QUOTE="D0013ER"][QUOTE="NavigatorsGhost"]

Lemmings bash the PS3 and cows rightly say "just wait" because THEIR established franchises haven't dropped yet and they have a lot more of them to count on. So until games like MGS4, GT5, TEKKEN 6, SOCOM: CONFRONTATION, FF13 are released, nobody can rightly comment on the issue.

NavigatorsGhost

The better part of, "just wait"-ing last year wasn't for MGSIV or FFXIII or Killzone 2, it was for games like... Motorstorm, Heavenly Sword and Lair. Franchises don't get much more un-established than those.

I can't control what other people say on this board. Personally, I wasn't anticipating any of those games, I don't own any of those games, and I won't defend any of those games.

How anyone could hype Lair, a game about FIGHTING DRAGONS, is beyond me. I don't care how good it apparently looked visually at the time before it was released.

The developers of Motorstorm didn't even finish the game, its embarassing. The game is lacking standard options that have been in racing games for close to two decades. I don't know why it was hyped either. Graphics? Who cares? You want to hype a racing game, go with GT. Everyone knows that GT is the king of racing games on the PS platforms, maybe all platforms.

Heavenly Sword is disgustingly short. I'm done shelling out 50 or 60 bucks on a game that can be finished in a dedicated weekend and has absolutely no replay. And since its not on 360, it doesn't even have crappy achievements you can waste time getting.

"Just wait" is inappropriately used on here all the time and lems have their fun with it as well. Only time I've ever made that statement was in reference to proven franchises. I think its only fair that the PS3 shouldn't be judged until some of its known franchises have released installments this gen. Launch games on any system aren't going to stack up to 2nd year games on a comparable system, including games that are from proven franchises. Thats why there is no point in addressing the "winner" of the 360/PS3 battle yet.

A new IP will never get the promise of being good from me.

Why is this so hard for you to understand?

EVERY SYSTEM HAS NEW IPS. WHAT IPS END UP BEING GOOD, IS ANYBODY'S GUESS. WHICH IPS END UP BEING HITS SALESWISE, IS ALSO ANYBODY'S GUESS. NOBODY KNOWS. THIS IS WHY COMPARING NEW IPS IS STUPID. IT CAN GO EITHER WAY.

Every system has new IPs which look amazing, ground breaking, earth shattering. It doesn't matter how many you list.

Compare that to established franchises. When installments of established franchises are released (Mario, Zelda, Final Fantasy, Gran Turismo), they are almost certain to do well in both sales and reviews. THEY ARE PROVEN SYSTEM SELLERS.

MS is sadly lacking in established franchises, mostly due to the fact that they haven't been part of the industry for very long. And they've already released installments for most of them this gen anyway (Halo, Forza, PGR, Splinter Cell).

On the other hand you have Nintendo with its franchises that have been around for two decades or so, and they are first party franchises.

And then you have Sony, with a ton of established franchises, so many that a lot of them have been forgotten about (COLONY WARS anyone?), but the difference is that most aren't first party and have a chance to go to other platforms (like DMC4).

However, the "big ones" are still exclusive to the PS3, so far this gen (MGS4, FF13, GT5, SOCOM: CONFRONTATION, TEKKEN 6). This is what matters. This is what sells consoles. New IPs alone aren't going to get it done. People want familiarity.

And half the games you mentioned as new IPs aren't even exclusives...so who cares?

[QUOTE="D0013ER"]Here's my question: Even if the 360's 08 year is a dud, don't 360 owners have a, "just wait" year to fall back on? Seems only fair seeing as how that's all you heard from most PS3 owners last year.NavigatorsGhost

No, because for the most part, the 360 already has installments of its biggest franchises. Halo, PGR, SC, DOA, FORZA...all those games have already been released, in fact I've probably left out a few. Fable 2 and NG 2 are coming this year, great, should be good. Thats 2 games.

But other than a Gears 2 what else is there to look forward to? Chronicles of Riddick is getting remade, instead of them making a sequel, correct? KOTOR 3 hasn't been announced. A sequel to Jade Empire, who knows?

This is why MS is at a severe disadvantage. They lack far behind Sony and Nintendo in familiar franchises. And while it sucks that most established PS franchises are not first party and thus capable of going elsewhere (DMC4), some of their biggest hitters have remained loyal to the company with the smallest userbase so far this gen.

Lemmings bash the PS3 and cows rightly say "just wait" because THEIR established franchises haven't dropped yet and they have a lot more of them to count on. So until games like MGS4, GT5, TEKKEN 6, SOCOM: CONFRONTATION, FF13 are released, nobody can rightly comment on the issue.

What, so MS should have waited till this year before releasing their big hitters?

Cows do my nut in! They go on and on as if its the right of Sony to be on top! What rubbish my friend. Things like Sony doing this well despite not having good games says that you are living on past glory.

So basically, there is nothing m$ can do to ever compete with Sony in the console wars? WAKE UP!!

They have really well so far. They have been the ones to win over lots of third party support and build a great library. No matter which way you spin it the 360 is a successful, well supported, established, value for money, not too expensive, great game library console.

You speak of recognised game franchises, ...HALO you knumb-nut is arguably the most recognised game franchise of all time! (Actually I think that goes to Mario), but you get my point. Gears is huge, and who knows how big Bioshock and Mass Effect will eventually turn out to be.

Lissen, you little ..........(I would love to meet such cocky ignorant people like you face to face) Microsoft are not going to quit any time soon. HAHAHAHAHAHA.

Apologies to everyone else, I'm not normally this forceful in my use of language or this assertive in making a point (or agressive you would say) but cows are by far the most agressive and negative of all fanboys. It annoys the ..........out of me that they cant see sense.

For what its worth, I think the PS3 will be a great console, right along with the 360!

[QUOTE="Blue-Sphere"]Just because the 360 may or may not have games that will "broaden the user base" or sell like H3 or GeoW doesn't automatically mean the 360 won't have any good games. :|Swift_Boss_A

You absolutely right :) but you see Microsoft is in a competition with Sony and as it it stand Microsoft doesn't have a game this year which will allow it to stand up to PS3 considering PS3 has killer app titles like MGS4, LBP, GT5 Tekken 6 and possibly FF13 along with other potential killer apps. Good games won't cut it for Microsoft this year if they hope to keep that 7 million gap with PS3.

Well also the PS3 will no doubt overtake 360 in Europe this year where the 360 is performing quite lacklustre, the PS3 is rapidly catching up fast.

how do youknow the new ips like little big planet, killzone even mgs and tekken 6 will be killer apps? yet you ignore games like ninja gaiden 2, gears of war 2, splinter cell, banjo and other ips new and old that will be on the 360 in 08.

You say the 360 doesnt have any ips that will sell its consoles, but gears of war was a new ip that nobody thought would sell the way it did yet it pushed alot of 360s. The thing about cows is that they do not like to buy games,lemmings will buy games even if they arent the greatest,

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[QUOTE="D0013ER"]Here's my question: Even if the 360's 08 year is a dud, don't 360 owners have a, "just wait" year to fall back on? Seems only fair seeing as how that's all you heard from most PS3 owners last year.Innovazero2000

No, because for the most part, the 360 already has installments of its biggest franchises. Halo, PGR, SC, DOA, FORZA...all those games have already been released, in fact I've probably left out a few. Fable 2 and NG 2 are coming this year, great, should be good. Thats 2 games.

But other than a Gears 2 what else is there to look forward to? Chronicles of Riddick is getting remade, instead of them making a sequel, correct? KOTOR 3 hasn't been announced. A sequel to Jade Empire, who knows?

This is why MS is at a severe disadvantage. They lack far behind Sony and Nintendo in familiar franchises. And while it sucks that most established PS franchises are not first party and thus capable of going elsewhere (DMC4), some of their biggest hitters have remained loyal to the company with the smallest userbase so far this gen.

Lemmings bash the PS3 and cows rightly say "just wait" because THEIR established franchises haven't dropped yet and they have a lot more of them to count on. So until games like MGS4, GT5, TEKKEN 6, SOCOM: CONFRONTATION, FF13 are released, nobody can rightly comment on the issue.

The difference is 360 sells software, and have proven to sell new IP's.

Gears of War mulit-million seller

Dead Rising and Lost Planet - Million + seller

Mass Effect - almost 2 Million

Bioshock - Multimillion.

Lets look at the ps3

Heavenly Sword

Lair

R & C

Uncharted

all to my knowledge have yet to hit the million mark, although I think R&C are close. They were massivily hyped as well, with marketing power behind em.

and the whole notion that the 360 sucks worldwide is false, and some of the fanboys around here need to get that outta there heads. USA/Canada is a given, but the 360 is also heavily winning Australia/New Zealand, battling ps3 in europe (I don't question ps3 has def. gained momentium here, but the 360 is still winning in some areas, UK for example). The only market 360 is really crapping a storm at is Japan.

Bioshock, Gears, and Lost Planet aren't exclusives.

Marketing power? LOL, WUT? I haven't seen a commercial for Lair, HS, or Uncharted, except for those new PS3 ads that show a ton of games. I've seen a dedicated commercial for R an C and that was it. Gears - dedicated commercial. Lost Planet - dedicated commercial. Bioshock - dedicated commercial.

Oh, now I get it you have a PS3, well in that case yeah you are totally right new ips stink.Riverwolf007

No, I actually own both a 360 and PS3. I don't think so highly of either of them to not criticize them. I play my 360 far more than my PS3, but I think the future is more promising for the PS3, because its biggest games are on the horizon. Whereas two of 360s most anticipated games, Halo 3 and Mass Effect, have already come and gone.

[QUOTE="Innovazero2000"][QUOTE="NavigatorsGhost"]

[QUOTE="D0013ER"]Here's my question: Even if the 360's 08 year is a dud, don't 360 owners have a, "just wait" year to fall back on? Seems only fair seeing as how that's all you heard from most PS3 owners last year.NavigatorsGhost

No, because for the most part, the 360 already has installments of its biggest franchises. Halo, PGR, SC, DOA, FORZA...all those games have already been released, in fact I've probably left out a few. Fable 2 and NG 2 are coming this year, great, should be good. Thats 2 games.

But other than a Gears 2 what else is there to look forward to? Chronicles of Riddick is getting remade, instead of them making a sequel, correct? KOTOR 3 hasn't been announced. A sequel to Jade Empire, who knows?

This is why MS is at a severe disadvantage. They lack far behind Sony and Nintendo in familiar franchises. And while it sucks that most established PS franchises are not first party and thus capable of going elsewhere (DMC4), some of their biggest hitters have remained loyal to the company with the smallest userbase so far this gen.

Lemmings bash the PS3 and cows rightly say "just wait" because THEIR established franchises haven't dropped yet and they have a lot more of them to count on. So until games like MGS4, GT5, TEKKEN 6, SOCOM: CONFRONTATION, FF13 are released, nobody can rightly comment on the issue.

The difference is 360 sells software, and have proven to sell new IP's.

Gears of War mulit-million seller

Dead Rising and Lost Planet - Million + seller

Mass Effect - almost 2 Million

Bioshock - Multimillion.

Lets look at the ps3

Heavenly Sword

Lair

R & C

Uncharted

all to my knowledge have yet to hit the million mark, although I think R&C are close. They were massivily hyped as well, with marketing power behind em.

and the whole notion that the 360 sucks worldwide is false, and some of the fanboys around here need to get that outta there heads. USA/Canada is a given, but the 360 is also heavily winning Australia/New Zealand, battling ps3 in europe (I don't question ps3 has def. gained momentium here, but the 360 is still winning in some areas, UK for example). The only market 360 is really crapping a storm at is Japan.

Bioshock, Gears, and Lost Planet aren't exclusives.

Marketing power? LOL, WUT? I haven't seen a commercial for Lair, HS, or Uncharted, except for those new PS3 ads that show a ton of games. I've seen a dedicated commercial for R an C and that was it. Gears - dedicated commercial. Lost Planet - dedicated commercial. Bioshock - dedicated commercial.

well i dont know where you live but i have seen tons of HS RC and UNcharted dedicated commericals

1. Better believe it, the moment PS3 stepped in the market the 360 has lost it's lead in most countries.
2. Thee Playstation 3 is not in the market for a few years but a full 8 years atleast of lifespan, the Playstation brand's life span has always increased from the previous Gen, the PS1 had a 5-6 years lifespan, the PS2 had a 6-7 years lifespan and the PS3 will have a 7-8 years of lifespan if not more. The jump from PS2 to 3 is far bigger then the jump from PS1 to 2 and guys from Insomniac had already pointed this out in a previous interview.
3. You guys are unaware but you are witnessing the downfall of Microsoft's juggernaut as we speak. let me explain.
4. I understand that I have not mentioned the Wii, I'm not discounting the Wii in anyway but as far as I know the Wii is not aiming at a direct battle with PS3 & 360. Wii is aiming for the casual market, the folks who hardly ever play games whilst PS3 & 360 are aiming for the same market. The Wii will be a 2nd console to gamers but they will either choose PS3 or 360 as their 1st console depending on what appeals to them the most.

Swift_Boss_A

1. Yeah because it didn't even ship enough to either Europe, Japan, or America to outsell the 360 the moment it launched. If anything it would have been the Wii that made the 360 lose its lead in most countries.
2. The whole Playstation 3 lasting 7-8 years isn't a fact. You can't see into the future. The Playstation 3 was also supposed to dominate and take over the industry right out the gate, but it didn't.
3. The downfall of Microsoft's Juggernaut lol. Selling more 3rd Party games in the downfall? Obliterating the PS3 in the U.S is its downfall? It can only be its downfall if its a unanimous defeat across all fronts.
4. Not mentioning the Wii is just damage control. Accept it. This isn't PS3 vs 360 the Wii exist too.

Quite honestly I'll continue to laugh at you until you actually own a Playstation 3. I'll be getting one before you do. I can't see how someone can talk so much about a console and not even own one. Its just silly.

lol, ps3 is noting but dead garbage, I cant believe these cows still thik the ps3 is gonna win, lol, amorbis1001

[QUOTE="amorbis1001"]lol, ps3 is noting but dead garbage, I cant believe these cows still thik the ps3 is gonna win, lol, GARRYTH

9million? where are you getting your facts from?

By the time the PS3 catches up (if it does), it'll be time to buy the next generation systems. Enjoy playing catch-up throughout this generation.Fumpa

lol ps3 will outlast microsofts next 2 consoles

[QUOTE="NavigatorsGhost"]

[QUOTE="D0013ER"]Here's my question: Even if the 360's 08 year is a dud, don't 360 owners have a, "just wait" year to fall back on? Seems only fair seeing as how that's all you heard from most PS3 owners last year.DAZZER7

No, because for the most part, the 360 already has installments of its biggest franchises. Halo, PGR, SC, DOA, FORZA...all those games have already been released, in fact I've probably left out a few. Fable 2 and NG 2 are coming this year, great, should be good. Thats 2 games.

But other than a Gears 2 what else is there to look forward to? Chronicles of Riddick is getting remade, instead of them making a sequel, correct? KOTOR 3 hasn't been announced. A sequel to Jade Empire, who knows?

This is why MS is at a severe disadvantage. They lack far behind Sony and Nintendo in familiar franchises. And while it sucks that most established PS franchises are not first party and thus capable of going elsewhere (DMC4), some of their biggest hitters have remained loyal to the company with the smallest userbase so far this gen.

Lemmings bash the PS3 and cows rightly say "just wait" because THEIR established franchises haven't dropped yet and they have a lot more of them to count on. So until games like MGS4, GT5, TEKKEN 6, SOCOM: CONFRONTATION, FF13 are released, nobody can rightly comment on the issue.

What, so MS should have waited till this year before releasing their big hitters?

Cows do my nut in! They go on and on as if its the right of Sony to be on top! What rubbish my friend. Things like Sony doing this well despite not having good games says that you are living on past glory.

So basically, there is nothing m$ can do to ever compete with Sony in the console wars? WAKE UP!!

They have really well so far. They have been the ones to win over lots of third party support and build a great library. No matter which way you spin it the 360 is a successful, well supported, established, value for money, not too expensive, great game library console.

You speak of recognised game franchises, ...HALO you knumb-nut is arguably the most recognised game franchise of all time! (Actually I think that goes to Mario), but you get my point. Gears is huge, and who knows how big Bioshock and Mass Effect will eventually turn out to be.

Lissen, you little ..........(I would love to meet such cocky ignorant people like you face to face) Microsoft are not going to quit any time soon. HAHAHAHAHAHA.

Apologies to everyone else, I'm not normally this forceful in my use of language or this assertive in making a point (or agressive you would say) but cows are by far the most agressive and negative of all fanboys. It annoys the ..........out of me that they cant see sense.

For what its worth, I think the PS3 will be a great console, right along with the 360!

Is it impossible for you to understand my simple point that MS is lacking in established franchises while Nintendo and Sony are not? Its a fact, get over it. Why do you not understand its significance? Its huge.

I didn't say MS should wait before they release their big hitters, but look how far its got them? Yeah, they are leading the PS3, but that lead is not insurmountable and their established franchises have lacked the impact. PGR and SC were barely acknowledged. Imagine if MGS4 or GT5 were so poorly recieved?

For the most part outside of Halo 3, their franchises haven't moved consoles. Their biggest games of last year were new IPs. Compare that to the Wii. They already have Zelda, Mario, and Metroid games out and the console is dominating! Do you not see that?

The posters on here who have already written off the PS3 are in the wrong. As stated numerous times, its biggest games (from established franchises) aren't out yet. This is like evaulating the 360 before it released Halo, DOA, SC, PGR, FORZA, etc.

But then again you would just point to the AAA PDO! LMFAO.

Halo is one game. It can only do so much for a console. See last gen xbox for proof of that. I'll take 5 games from established franchises as opposed to 1.

[QUOTE="amorbis1001"]lol, ps3 is noting but dead garbage, I cant believe these cows still thik the ps3 is gonna win, lol, GARRYTH

lol 9 mill, last time I checked it was 6.4 plus the 1.2 sony said which adds up to 7.8. not the cows gotta fake numbers to make em selves feel good.

[QUOTE="GARRYTH"][QUOTE="amorbis1001"]lol, ps3 is noting but dead garbage, I cant believe these cows still thik the ps3 is gonna win, lol, ParadiddleFill

9million? where are you getting your facts from?

Just making them up like all cows do...