'ps3 is the cheapest blu ray player' excuse is on more

[QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="ramey70"]

Both the Matrix and 2 Pirates films were released on May 22nd. The 2 Pirates films sold 47,000 units while the Matrix sold 13,900.

 

Take from it what you will.

ramey70

matrix = $99

pirates? you had to use TWO movies against one?

is that fair?

If you divided the Pirates sales in half you still end up with 23,000 to 13,900. In addition, the comparison comparing The Matrix and the 2 Pirates movies has been made on many reputable sources the past few days. I can happily provide links if you desire.

you're ignoring the point that the matix tril is about $100.. whereas the pirate movies sell for $30, approx...

if the ps3 has taught us anything it is, price DOES matter...

I've heard about that, but as another well-known website has said that will actually be good for their bottom line at SCE and it makes Blu-Ray more competitive in pricing HD-DVD.

Also, it isn't even out yet. 

[QUOTE="Javy03"]

[QUOTE="pundog"]You guys don't get it. How many signs at Best Buy or Walmart or Circuit city say that BR has x number of exclusive studios or HD-DVD has x number of exclusive studios. Right, none. What people see is a really pretty picture next to a big price tag regardless of format. The first company to get that price tag south of $200 will win, because by then they are charging pretty close to the price of a quality DVD player, or at least close enough to justify spending the extra coin.pundog

Wrong, what people see is what movies are availble in what format and when they find out most of their fav. movies are on Blu ray and exclusive because of whatever reason they will wait to invest in the HD player that satisfies them. 

You buy a media player to play movies.  Blu ray has more variety and more movies.  It doesnt matter if HD DVD players are 20 dollars if they dont have the movies I wanna buy I am not gonna settle for smokin aces over 007, Pirates, Spiderman and many others.  Having more movies makes it more likly that they will appeal to the audience while HD DVD only appeals to people who care for some fox movies, but mostly love Universal.

You are assuming that people who know there are two competing formats wont even do a little research.  Of course a person who plans on buying an HD player will at least have a few movies in mind and when they do a search and they find that unless all they want is some fox movies and Universal they will most likely go blu ray.  On top of that Blu ray is the fan favorite, it is selling more and on display at all best buys as HD DVD players in many places I have been are not.

The people you are thinking about wont get an HD format until their children or friends convince them to upgrade and the players are 20 dollars.  I highly doubt HD DVD will get to that point.  Right now most people are recommending Blu ray and as long as they keep seeing the flyers of the new releases and they keep on showing blu ray movies with HD DVD lacking, Blu ray has nothing to fear.

[QUOTE="ramey70"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="ramey70"]

Both the Matrix and 2 Pirates films were released on May 22nd. The 2 Pirates films sold 47,000 units while the Matrix sold 13,900.

 

Take from it what you will.

tango90101

matrix = $99

pirates? you had to use TWO movies against one?

is that fair?

If you divided the Pirates sales in half you still end up with 23,000 to 13,900. In addition, the comparison comparing The Matrix and the 2 Pirates movies has been made on many reputable sources the past few days. I can happily provide links if you desire.

you're ignoring the point that the matix tril is about $100.. whereas the pirate movies sell for $30, approx...

if the ps3 has taught us anything it is, price DOES matter...

It was Matrix vs Pirates, end of story. Pirates won.

You guys don't get it. How many signs at Best Buy or Walmart or Circuit city say that BR has x number of exclusive studios or HD-DVD has x number of exclusive studios. Right, none. What people see is a really pretty picture next to a big price tag regardless of format. The first company to get that price tag south of $200 will win, because by then they are charging pretty close to the price of a quality DVD player, or at least close enough to justify spending the extra coin.pundog

Toshiba has done a horrible job of marketing it's technology.  There are no kiosks or displays in the major retail stores like there are for Blu-Ray and every other movie commercial you see on TV is followed by "Buy it now on DVD and Blu-Ray Disc!"  People won't choose HD DVD because most people don't even know about it, or if they do they usually don't know it's cheaper.

[QUOTE="pundog"][QUOTE="Javy03"]

[QUOTE="pundog"]You guys don't get it. How many signs at Best Buy or Walmart or Circuit city say that BR has x number of exclusive studios or HD-DVD has x number of exclusive studios. Right, none. What people see is a really pretty picture next to a big price tag regardless of format. The first company to get that price tag south of $200 will win, because by then they are charging pretty close to the price of a quality DVD player, or at least close enough to justify spending the extra coin.Javy03

Wrong, what people see is what movies are availble in what format and when they find out most of their fav. movies are on Blu ray and exclusive because of whatever reason they will wait to invest in the HD player that satisfies them. 

You buy a media player to play movies.  Blu ray has more variety and more movies.  It doesnt matter if HD DVD players are 20 dollars if they dont have the movies I wanna buy I am not gonna settle for smokin aces over 007, Pirates, Spiderman and many others.  Having more movies makes it more likly that they will appeal to the audience while HD DVD only appeals to people who care for some fox movies, but mostly love Universal.

You are assuming that people who know there are two competing formats wont even do a little research.  Of course a person who plans on buying an HD player will at least have a few movies in mind and when they do a search and they find that unless all they want is some fox movies and Universal they will most likely go blu ray.  On top of that Blu ray is the fan favorite, it is selling more and on display at all best buys as HD DVD players in many places I have been are not.

The people you are thinking about wont get an HD format until their children or friends convince them to upgrade and the players are 20 dollars.  I highly doubt HD DVD will get to that point.  Right now most people are recommending Blu ray and as long as they keep seeing the flyers of the new releases and they keep on showing blu ray movies with HD DVD lacking, Blu ray has nothing to fear.

A recent commercial for Ghost Rider even announced the Blu ray version FIRST, normally its always announced second.

[QUOTE="Javy03"][QUOTE="pundog"][QUOTE="Javy03"]

[QUOTE="pundog"]You guys don't get it. How many signs at Best Buy or Walmart or Circuit city say that BR has x number of exclusive studios or HD-DVD has x number of exclusive studios. Right, none. What people see is a really pretty picture next to a big price tag regardless of format. The first company to get that price tag south of $200 will win, because by then they are charging pretty close to the price of a quality DVD player, or at least close enough to justify spending the extra coin.Bread_or_Decide

Wrong, what people see is what movies are availble in what format and when they find out most of their fav. movies are on Blu ray and exclusive because of whatever reason they will wait to invest in the HD player that satisfies them. 

You buy a media player to play movies.  Blu ray has more variety and more movies.  It doesnt matter if HD DVD players are 20 dollars if they dont have the movies I wanna buy I am not gonna settle for smokin aces over 007, Pirates, Spiderman and many others.  Having more movies makes it more likly that they will appeal to the audience while HD DVD only appeals to people who care for some fox movies, but mostly love Universal.

You are assuming that people who know there are two competing formats wont even do a little research.  Of course a person who plans on buying an HD player will at least have a few movies in mind and when they do a search and they find that unless all they want is some fox movies and Universal they will most likely go blu ray.  On top of that Blu ray is the fan favorite, it is selling more and on display at all best buys as HD DVD players in many places I have been are not.

The people you are thinking about wont get an HD format until their children or friends convince them to upgrade and the players are 20 dollars.  I highly doubt HD DVD will get to that point.  Right now most people are recommending Blu ray and as long as they keep seeing the flyers of the new releases and they keep on showing blu ray movies with HD DVD lacking, Blu ray has nothing to fear.

A recent commercial for Ghost Rider even announced the Blu ray version FIRST, normally its always announced second.

I remember when that used to happen to DVD, first they would show the VHS then mention the DVD one, then they would show the DVD one behind the VHS one, then  they showed the DVD in front and pretty soon there was no VHS one at all.

[QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="ramey70"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="ramey70"]

Both the Matrix and 2 Pirates films were released on May 22nd. The 2 Pirates films sold 47,000 units while the Matrix sold 13,900.

 

Take from it what you will.

Bread_or_Decide

matrix = $99

pirates? you had to use TWO movies against one?

is that fair?

If you divided the Pirates sales in half you still end up with 23,000 to 13,900. In addition, the comparison comparing The Matrix and the 2 Pirates movies has been made on many reputable sources the past few days. I can happily provide links if you desire.

you're ignoring the point that the matix tril is about $100.. whereas the pirate movies sell for $30, approx...

if the ps3 has taught us anything it is, price DOES matter...

It was Matrix vs Pirates, end of story. Pirates won.

The matrix is a 3 movies trilogy priced at $100

the pirates is ONE movie sold at $30...approx...

i just don't see how that's a fair comparison, but i guess br needs all the hype it can get...;)

The matrix is a 3 movies trilogy priced at $100

the pirates is ONE movie sold at $30...approx...

i just don't see how that's a fair comparison, but i guess br needs all the hype it can get...;)

tango90101

The total for the Matrix is using both Matrix Collections' total sales and you'll find that both are available on Amazon for well under $100. Pirates has just done more sales and the gap will likely widen further down the road. 

[QUOTE="tango90101"]

The matrix is a 3 movies trilogy priced at $100

the pirates is ONE movie sold at $30...approx...

i just don't see how that's a fair comparison, but i guess br needs all the hype it can get...;)

Runningflame570

The total for the Matrix is using both Matrix Collections' total sales and you'll find that both are available on Amazon for well under $100. Pirates has just done more sales and the gap will likely widen further down the road. 

if you want to get technical about it, the total matrix movies sold were 41700, since there are three movies for every ONE sale...;)

[QUOTE="Javy03"]

[QUOTE="pundog"]You guys don't get it. How many signs at Best Buy or Walmart or Circuit city say that BR has x number of exclusive studios or HD-DVD has x number of exclusive studios. Right, none. What people see is a really pretty picture next to a big price tag regardless of format. The first company to get that price tag south of $200 will win, because by then they are charging pretty close to the price of a quality DVD player, or at least close enough to justify spending the extra coin.pundog

Wrong, what people see is what movies are availble in what format and when they find out most of their fav. movies are on Blu ray and exclusive because of whatever reason they will wait to invest in the HD player that satisfies them. 

You buy a media player to play movies.  Blu ray has more variety and more movies.  It doesnt matter if HD DVD players are 20 dollars if they dont have the movies I wanna buy I am not gonna settle for smokin aces over 007, Pirates, Spiderman and many others.  Having more movies makes it more likly that they will appeal to the audience while HD DVD only appeals to people who care for some fox movies, but mostly love Universal.

They can just look at the movies. Once they see there are no Columbia, MGM, Disney etc. movies on HD-DVD but on Blu-Ray, they'll start to wonder.

[QUOTE="pundog"][QUOTE="Javy03"]

[QUOTE="pundog"]You guys don't get it. How many signs at Best Buy or Walmart or Circuit city say that BR has x number of exclusive studios or HD-DVD has x number of exclusive studios. Right, none. What people see is a really pretty picture next to a big price tag regardless of format. The first company to get that price tag south of $200 will win, because by then they are charging pretty close to the price of a quality DVD player, or at least close enough to justify spending the extra coin.CJL13

Wrong, what people see is what movies are availble in what format and when they find out most of their fav. movies are on Blu ray and exclusive because of whatever reason they will wait to invest in the HD player that satisfies them. 

You buy a media player to play movies.  Blu ray has more variety and more movies.  It doesnt matter if HD DVD players are 20 dollars if they dont have the movies I wanna buy I am not gonna settle for smokin aces over 007, Pirates, Spiderman and many others.  Having more movies makes it more likly that they will appeal to the audience while HD DVD only appeals to people who care for some fox movies, but mostly love Universal.

They can just look at the movies. Once they see there are no Columbia, MGM, Disney etc. movies on HD-DVD but on Blu-Ray, they'll start to wonder.

if people bought movies on studio rather than title, they'd be shelved alphabetically according to studio..

but they list under title.

and no, the "average consumer" does NOT typically do research before buying... the early adopters do....;)

the average consumer shops on price as the paramount consideration with all things being perceived equal.

and the HD-DVD players are $299

say what you will about Blu-Ray, but HD-DVD PLAYERS are selling more than Blu-Ray players (excluding the PS3)

hockeyruler12

Actually, you can buy the HD-A2 for $250: http://www.amazon.com/Toshiba-HD-A2-HD-DVD-Player/dp/B000IJV4BC/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/103-9967841-0067825?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1180989831&sr=8-1

[QUOTE="CJL13"][QUOTE="pundog"][QUOTE="Javy03"]

[QUOTE="pundog"]You guys don't get it. How many signs at Best Buy or Walmart or Circuit city say that BR has x number of exclusive studios or HD-DVD has x number of exclusive studios. Right, none. What people see is a really pretty picture next to a big price tag regardless of format. The first company to get that price tag south of $200 will win, because by then they are charging pretty close to the price of a quality DVD player, or at least close enough to justify spending the extra coin.tango90101

Wrong, what people see is what movies are availble in what format and when they find out most of their fav. movies are on Blu ray and exclusive because of whatever reason they will wait to invest in the HD player that satisfies them. 

You buy a media player to play movies.  Blu ray has more variety and more movies.  It doesnt matter if HD DVD players are 20 dollars if they dont have the movies I wanna buy I am not gonna settle for smokin aces over 007, Pirates, Spiderman and many others.  Having more movies makes it more likly that they will appeal to the audience while HD DVD only appeals to people who care for some fox movies, but mostly love Universal.

They can just look at the movies. Once they see there are no Columbia, MGM, Disney etc. movies on HD-DVD but on Blu-Ray, they'll start to wonder.

if people bought movies on studio rather than title, they'd be shelved alphabetically according to studio..

but they list under title.

and no, the "average consumer" does NOT typically do research before buying... the early adopters do....;)

the average consumer shops on price as the paramount consideration with all things being perceived equal.

[QUOTE="CJL13"][QUOTE="pundog"][QUOTE="Javy03"]

[QUOTE="pundog"]You guys don't get it. How many signs at Best Buy or Walmart or Circuit city say that BR has x number of exclusive studios or HD-DVD has x number of exclusive studios. Right, none. What people see is a really pretty picture next to a big price tag regardless of format. The first company to get that price tag south of $200 will win, because by then they are charging pretty close to the price of a quality DVD player, or at least close enough to justify spending the extra coin.tango90101

Wrong, what people see is what movies are availble in what format and when they find out most of their fav. movies are on Blu ray and exclusive because of whatever reason they will wait to invest in the HD player that satisfies them.

You buy a media player to play movies. Blu ray has more variety and more movies. It doesnt matter if HD DVD players are 20 dollars if they dont have the movies I wanna buy I am not gonna settle for smokin aces over 007, Pirates, Spiderman and many others. Having more movies makes it more likly that they will appeal to the audience while HD DVD only appeals to people who care for some fox movies, but mostly love Universal.

They can just look at the movies. Once they see there are no Columbia, MGM, Disney etc. movies on HD-DVD but on Blu-Ray, they'll start to wonder.

if people bought movies on studio rather than title, they'd be shelved alphabetically according to studio..

but they list under title.

and no, the "average consumer" does NOT typically do research before buying... the early adopters do....;)

the average consumer shops on price as the paramount consideration with all things being perceived equal.

What if they don't perceive the products to be equal? 

Actually, you can buy the HD-A2 for $250: http://www.amazon.com/Toshiba-HD-A2-HD-DVD-Player/dp/B000IJV4BC/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/103-9967841-0067825?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1180989831&sr=8-1

Codename33

Which is still irrelevant, one manufacturer can NOT win a format war. Sony tried with its years-long headstart on VHS and failed badly and a couple of companies (Pioneer and Phillips) tried with Laserdisc and failed badly (of course the format's shortcomings helped here).

Toshiba is losing tons of money on each player they sell and they are pretty much the only major manufacturer. HD-DVD hardware support is almost nil outside of Toshiba, why should other companies bother when they can't make money?

Add onto this that BD players are expected to drop to $299 and $399 by the holidays and suddenly the price aspect becomes a lot less troublesome from the BDA. 

 If somebody wants a blu-ray player then they would get that instead of the ps3 because the ps3 blu-ray player sucks, ithemyth01

 If somebody wants a blu-ray player then they would get that instead of the ps3 because the ps3 blu-ray player sucks, it's a 2x SLOW blu-ray player than does not even burn discs, so if someone didn't care for gaming and wanted a blu-ray player, ps3 would be the least likely option. themyth01

that is very untrue where did you get this from?

After the 1.8 update, the PS3 has secured it's position as the primary movie player in my entertainment center for the forseeable future.  Standard DVD's look amazing now, and Blu-Rays look as good as they always have.  The only hi-def movies that I will be buying will be blu-ray.  Maybe I'll buy a more fully featured Blu-Ray player several years down the road, when they only cost like $100(US) or so.

[QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="Javy03"][QUOTE="hockeyruler12"]

and the HD-DVD players are $299

say what you will about Blu-Ray, but HD-DVD PLAYERS are selling more than Blu-Ray players (excluding the PS3)

Javy03

LOL..thats a huge exclusion. The point of HD players is to sell HD MOVIES, and even though HD DVD players are selling more because of its lack as a standard feature, its sellin far less movies then blu ray and still has less studio support meaning less movie releases to HD DVD. HD DVD players can sell like hotcakes but if they cant outsell blu ray movies, the format will lose the little studio support it has and will go extinct seeing as movie studios only care about their movie selling not if Toshiba is selling their players.

this is flawed.

why are there more hd dvd movies coming out than bluray? many, many of the hd dvd titles are simply older titles remastered, which is a good move for the consumers who are old enough to buy one of the players....

the "support" the bluray fans like to tout is mostly in word alone... for example: fan like to boast Disney is backing bluray, yet out of the many, many Disney-branded titles, there are none of them for sale on bluray.... only Buena Vista... but that name isn't the boasting point....

if the hd dvd players sell like hotcakes, bluray will lose. It's just that simple. and why? the laws of saturation....

it's better to have more players sold than more movies sold at this point...;)

Buena Vista and Disney are one and the same and as for Disney support....

It clearly says Disney for everyone to recognize and its their biggest hit and this is not the only example of their blu ray support. They are all exclusive to blu ray. As for more HD DVD movie releases, I highly doubt HD DVD will have more movie releases since it has less support. It might have more ANNOUNCED releases at this point but thats because Universal is dumping most of its old movies on HD DVD and announced its releases early. That doesnt mean their wont be more blu ray movies as studios announce the movie releases closer to their date. Announced and released are two different scenerios.

Came just in time for the new Pirates and SPidey 3. Too bad both of them were horrible. 2 movies I couldn't wait to see, 2 movies I wish I never saw 

[QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="ramey70"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="ramey70"]

Both the Matrix and 2 Pirates films were released on May 22nd. The 2 Pirates films sold 47,000 units while the Matrix sold 13,900.

 

Take from it what you will.

Bread_or_Decide

matrix = $99

pirates? you had to use TWO movies against one?

is that fair?

If you divided the Pirates sales in half you still end up with 23,000 to 13,900. In addition, the comparison comparing The Matrix and the 2 Pirates movies has been made on many reputable sources the past few days. I can happily provide links if you desire.

you're ignoring the point that the matix tril is about $100.. whereas the pirate movies sell for $30, approx...

if the ps3 has taught us anything it is, price DOES matter...

It was Matrix vs Pirates, end of story. Pirates won.

So what if it becomes Pirates vs. Harry Potter...or Lord of the Rings?HuusAsking

You can keep Harry Potter and ESPECIALLY LoTR (barely kept awake through the first one, was coerced into watching some of the second one and fell asleep) and BTW, Pirates is bigger than both of those according to box office results. 

[QUOTE="Codename33"]

Actually, you can buy the HD-A2 for $250: http://www.amazon.com/Toshiba-HD-A2-HD-DVD-Player/dp/B000IJV4BC/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/103-9967841-0067825?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1180989831&sr=8-1

Runningflame570

Which is still irrelevant, one manufacturer can NOT win a format war. Sony tried with its years-long headstart on VHS and failed badly and a couple of companies (Pioneer and Phillips) tried with Laserdisc and failed badly (of course the format's shortcomings helped here).

Toshiba is losing tons of money on each player they sell and they are pretty much the only major manufacturer. HD-DVD hardware support is almost nil outside of Toshiba, why should other companies bother when they can't make money?

Add onto this that BD players are expected to drop to $299 and $399 by the holidays and suddenly the price aspect becomes a lot less troublesome from the BDA. 

[QUOTE="pundog"]You guys don't get it. How many signs at Best Buy or Walmart or Circuit city say that BR has x number of exclusive studios or HD-DVD has x number of exclusive studios. Right, none. What people see is a really pretty picture next to a big price tag regardless of format. The first company to get that price tag south of $200 will win, because by then they are charging pretty close to the price of a quality DVD player, or at least close enough to justify spending the extra coin.Javy03

Wrong, what people see is what movies are availble in what format and when they find out most of their fav. movies are on Blu ray and exclusive because of whatever reason they will wait to invest in the HD player that satisfies them. 

You buy a media player to play movies.  Blu ray has more variety and more movies.  It doesnt matter if HD DVD players are 20 dollars if they dont have the movies I wanna buy I am not gonna settle for smokin aces over 007, Pirates, Spiderman and many others.  Having more movies makes it more likly that they will appeal to the audience while HD DVD only appeals to people who care for some fox movies, but mostly love Universal.

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"]So what if it becomes Pirates vs. Harry Potter...or Lord of the Rings?Runningflame570

You can keep Harry Potter and ESPECIALLY LoTR (barely kept awake through the first one, was coerced into watching some of the second one and fell asleep) and BTW, Pirates is bigger than both of those according to box office results. 

Anyway, Pirates is done. Harry Potter still has more coming (Order of the Phoenix in theaters in July). 

[QUOTE="themyth01"] If somebody wants a blu-ray player then they would get that instead of the ps3 because the ps3 blu-ray player sucks, it's a 2x SLOW blu-ray player than does not even burn discs, so if someone didn't care for gaming and wanted a blu-ray player, ps3 would be the least likely option. e20Dylan

that is very untrue where did you get this from?

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"]So what if it becomes Pirates vs. Harry Potter...or Lord of the Rings?Runningflame570

You can keep Harry Potter and ESPECIALLY LoTR (barely kept awake through the first one, was coerced into watching some of the second one and fell asleep) and BTW, Pirates is bigger than both of those according to box office results. 

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="ramey70"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="ramey70"]

Both the Matrix and 2 Pirates films were released on May 22nd. The 2 Pirates films sold 47,000 units while the Matrix sold 13,900.

 

Take from it what you will.

HuusAsking

matrix = $99

pirates? you had to use TWO movies against one?

is that fair?

If you divided the Pirates sales in half you still end up with 23,000 to 13,900. In addition, the comparison comparing The Matrix and the 2 Pirates movies has been made on many reputable sources the past few days. I can happily provide links if you desire.

you're ignoring the point that the matix tril is about $100.. whereas the pirate movies sell for $30, approx...

if the ps3 has taught us anything it is, price DOES matter...

It was Matrix vs Pirates, end of story. Pirates won.

[QUOTE="Javy03"]

[QUOTE="pundog"]You guys don't get it. How many signs at Best Buy or Walmart or Circuit city say that BR has x number of exclusive studios or HD-DVD has x number of exclusive studios. Right, none. What people see is a really pretty picture next to a big price tag regardless of format. The first company to get that price tag south of $200 will win, because by then they are charging pretty close to the price of a quality DVD player, or at least close enough to justify spending the extra coin.HuusAsking

Wrong, what people see is what movies are availble in what format and when they find out most of their fav. movies are on Blu ray and exclusive because of whatever reason they will wait to invest in the HD player that satisfies them. 

You buy a media player to play movies.  Blu ray has more variety and more movies.  It doesnt matter if HD DVD players are 20 dollars if they dont have the movies I wanna buy I am not gonna settle for smokin aces over 007, Pirates, Spiderman and many others.  Having more movies makes it more likly that they will appeal to the audience while HD DVD only appeals to people who care for some fox movies, but mostly love Universal.

RCA has only released one HD DVD player, and it was a direct copy of Toshiba's first player, and they have yet to announce a second one. 

As to other companies releaseing Blu-Ray palyers, Pioneer, Panasonic, Sony, and Samsung all have first gen players out and have announced second gen palyers, so yeah, it's far more than just Sony and Samsung.

Also, Blu-Ray is the only format that has a burner for sale for the pc market.  Actually, there are multiple Blu-Ray drives and burners for sale, but just one for HD DVD.   

Also, most of the HD DVD players are NOT going to Wal-Mart. I'm not quite sure where you go tthat information.  Go into any Wal-mart, and you'll either see a small selection of both formats, or none at all.

Lets not forget It comes with a $40 controller and $80 wifi unit in it if it would be sold seperatly heck MS's is $100, using Store sales prices as thats how we are comparing to.  Lets not forget the harddrive. Take those out and it still makes the bluray cheaper than the $500 one

/end 

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="Javy03"]

[QUOTE="pundog"]You guys don't get it. How many signs at Best Buy or Walmart or Circuit city say that BR has x number of exclusive studios or HD-DVD has x number of exclusive studios. Right, none. What people see is a really pretty picture next to a big price tag regardless of format. The first company to get that price tag south of $200 will win, because by then they are charging pretty close to the price of a quality DVD player, or at least close enough to justify spending the extra coin.makingmusic476

Wrong, what people see is what movies are availble in what format and when they find out most of their fav. movies are on Blu ray and exclusive because of whatever reason they will wait to invest in the HD player that satisfies them. 

You buy a media player to play movies.  Blu ray has more variety and more movies.  It doesnt matter if HD DVD players are 20 dollars if they dont have the movies I wanna buy I am not gonna settle for smokin aces over 007, Pirates, Spiderman and many others.  Having more movies makes it more likly that they will appeal to the audience while HD DVD only appeals to people who care for some fox movies, but mostly love Universal.

RCA has only released one HD DVD player, and it was a direct copy of Toshiba's first player, and they have yet to announce a second one. 

As to other companies releaseing Blu-Ray palyers, Pioneer, Panasonic, Sony, and Samsung all have first gen players out and have announced second gen palyers, so yeah, it's far more than just Sony and Samsung.

Also, Blu-Ray is the only format that has a burner for sale for the pc market.  Actually, there are multiple Blu-Ray drives and burners for sale, but just one for HD DVD.   

Also, most of the HD DVD players are NOT going to Wal-Mart. I'm not quite sure where you go tthat information.  Go into any Wal-mart, and you'll either see a small selection of both formats, or none at all.

many fanboy say 'with the ps3 u get a blu ray player and its half the price'. that isnt true no more because the Sony's BDP-S300 Blu-ray player now less than a PS3. $100 less. No longer can ps3 fanboys say 'ps3 is cheapest blu ray player' because that isnt true

ghostwarrior786

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[QUOTE="makingmusic476"][QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="Javy03"]

[QUOTE="pundog"]You guys don't get it. How many signs at Best Buy or Walmart or Circuit city say that BR has x number of exclusive studios or HD-DVD has x number of exclusive studios. Right, none. What people see is a really pretty picture next to a big price tag regardless of format. The first company to get that price tag south of $200 will win, because by then they are charging pretty close to the price of a quality DVD player, or at least close enough to justify spending the extra coin.HuusAsking

Wrong, what people see is what movies are availble in what format and when they find out most of their fav. movies are on Blu ray and exclusive because of whatever reason they will wait to invest in the HD player that satisfies them. 

You buy a media player to play movies.  Blu ray has more variety and more movies.  It doesnt matter if HD DVD players are 20 dollars if they dont have the movies I wanna buy I am not gonna settle for smokin aces over 007, Pirates, Spiderman and many others.  Having more movies makes it more likly that they will appeal to the audience while HD DVD only appeals to people who care for some fox movies, but mostly love Universal.

RCA has only released one HD DVD player, and it was a direct copy of Toshiba's first player, and they have yet to announce a second one. 

As to other companies releaseing Blu-Ray palyers, Pioneer, Panasonic, Sony, and Samsung all have first gen players out and have announced second gen palyers, so yeah, it's far more than just Sony and Samsung.

Also, Blu-Ray is the only format that has a burner for sale for the pc market.  Actually, there are multiple Blu-Ray drives and burners for sale, but just one for HD DVD.   

Also, most of the HD DVD players are NOT going to Wal-Mart. I'm not quite sure where you go tthat information.  Go into any Wal-mart, and you'll either see a small selection of both formats, or none at all.

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="Javy03"]

[QUOTE="pundog"]You guys don't get it. How many signs at Best Buy or Walmart or Circuit city say that BR has x number of exclusive studios or HD-DVD has x number of exclusive studios. Right, none. What people see is a really pretty picture next to a big price tag regardless of format. The first company to get that price tag south of $200 will win, because by then they are charging pretty close to the price of a quality DVD player, or at least close enough to justify spending the extra coin.makingmusic476

Wrong, what people see is what movies are availble in what format and when they find out most of their fav. movies are on Blu ray and exclusive because of whatever reason they will wait to invest in the HD player that satisfies them.

You buy a media player to play movies. Blu ray has more variety and more movies. It doesnt matter if HD DVD players are 20 dollars if they dont have the movies I wanna buy I am not gonna settle for smokin aces over 007, Pirates, Spiderman and many others. Having more movies makes it more likly that they will appeal to the audience while HD DVD only appeals to people who care for some fox movies, but mostly love Universal.

RCA has only released one HD DVD player, and it was a direct copy of Toshiba's first player, and they have yet to announce a second one.

As to other companies releaseing Blu-Ray palyers, Pioneer, Panasonic, Sony, and Samsung all have first gen players out and have announced second gen palyers, so yeah, it's far more than just Sony and Samsung.

Also, Blu-Ray is the only format that has a burner for sale for the pc market. Actually, there are multiple Blu-Ray drives and burners for sale, but just one for HD DVD.

Also, most of the HD DVD players are NOT going to Wal-Mart. I'm not quite sure where you go tthat information. Go into any Wal-mart, and you'll either see a small selection of both formats, or none at all.

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"It means that any studio wanting Wal-Mart's support after year end had better be selling HD DVD movies. Wal-Mart won't be promoting Blu-Ray and, after year end, will increasingly focus their marketing on getting people to buy into HD DVD players and the related HD DVD movie from them.

In short, the Blu-Ray aligned studios will now have to either support both formats or risk losing much of Wal-Mart's business and given how material this business is to them, you have to think that an anti-Wall-Mart decision would have a material impact on their bonuses and career longevity. It certainly puts Columbia Pictures, which is owned by Sony, in a particularly uncomfortable position."

Not when HD DVD players will probably drop to $199 by Christmas. Under $200 attracts a lot of attention. The PS2 took off at $199. So did DVD players in general.HuusAsking

Thats still an artificially low price and other manufacturers won't jump in unless theres real profit motive for them (Toshiba has it considering how they will be getting most of the royalties on HD-DVD). The BDA can easily match of beat Toshiba's pricing at that point if it becomes an issue.

Who does Sony have releasing home players besides itself and Samsung?HuusAsking

Panasonic, Pioneer, Phillips, Sharp, LG, Lite-On, Mitsubishi, all either have released or have plans to release BD Players (Phillips, Pioneer, Panasonic have released one, Sharp's is coming soon).

Also they have BenQ, Lite-On, LG, Panasonic, Phillips, Pioneer and HP releasing drives for PC.

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"It means that any studio wanting Wal-Mart's support after year end had better be selling HD DVD movies. Wal-Mart won't be promoting Blu-Ray and, after year end, will increasingly focus their marketing on getting people to buy into HD DVD players and the related HD DVD movie from them.

In short, the Blu-Ray aligned studios will now have to either support both formats or risk losing much of Wal-Mart's business and given how material this business is to them, you have to think that an anti-Wall-Mart decision would have a material impact on their bonuses and career longevity. It certainly puts Columbia Pictures, which is owned by Sony, in a particularly uncomfortable position."

DoctorBunny

That whole thing has long since been debunked.

Fuh Yuan retracts $299 Wal-Mart HD DVD statement

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"It means that any studio wanting Wal-Mart's support after year end had better be selling HD DVD movies. Wal-Mart won't be promoting Blu-Ray and, after year end, will increasingly focus their marketing on getting people to buy into HD DVD players and the related HD DVD movie from them.

In short, the Blu-Ray aligned studios will now have to either support both formats or risk losing much of Wal-Mart's business and given how material this business is to them, you have to think that an anti-Wall-Mart decision would have a material impact on their bonuses and career longevity. It certainly puts Columbia Pictures, which is owned by Sony, in a particularly uncomfortable position."

Runningflame570

That whole thing has long since been debunked.

Fuh Yuan retracts $299 Wal-Mart HD DVD statement

[QUOTE="makingmusic476"][QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="Javy03"]

[QUOTE="pundog"]You guys don't get it. How many signs at Best Buy or Walmart or Circuit city say that BR has x number of exclusive studios or HD-DVD has x number of exclusive studios. Right, none. What people see is a really pretty picture next to a big price tag regardless of format. The first company to get that price tag south of $200 will win, because by then they are charging pretty close to the price of a quality DVD player, or at least close enough to justify spending the extra coin.DoctorBunny

Wrong, what people see is what movies are availble in what format and when they find out most of their fav. movies are on Blu ray and exclusive because of whatever reason they will wait to invest in the HD player that satisfies them.

You buy a media player to play movies. Blu ray has more variety and more movies. It doesnt matter if HD DVD players are 20 dollars if they dont have the movies I wanna buy I am not gonna settle for smokin aces over 007, Pirates, Spiderman and many others. Having more movies makes it more likly that they will appeal to the audience while HD DVD only appeals to people who care for some fox movies, but mostly love Universal.

RCA has only released one HD DVD player, and it was a direct copy of Toshiba's first player, and they have yet to announce a second one.

As to other companies releaseing Blu-Ray palyers, Pioneer, Panasonic, Sony, and Samsung all have first gen players out and have announced second gen palyers, so yeah, it's far more than just Sony and Samsung.

Also, Blu-Ray is the only format that has a burner for sale for the pc market. Actually, there are multiple Blu-Ray drives and burners for sale, but just one for HD DVD.

Also, most of the HD DVD players are NOT going to Wal-Mart. I'm not quite sure where you go tthat information. Go into any Wal-mart, and you'll either see a small selection of both formats, or none at all.

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"It means that any studio wanting Wal-Mart's support after year end had better be selling HD DVD movies. Wal-Mart won't be promoting Blu-Ray and, after year end, will increasingly focus their marketing on getting people to buy into HD DVD players and the related HD DVD movie from them.

In short, the Blu-Ray aligned studios will now have to either support both formats or risk losing much of Wal-Mart's business and given how material this business is to them, you have to think that an anti-Wall-Mart decision would have a material impact on their bonuses and career longevity. It certainly puts Columbia Pictures, which is owned by Sony, in a particularly uncomfortable position."

You talk as if Wal-mart Controls the market. lol. Walmart will ultimatly go with which ever format brings them money. Just like Microsoft will support Blu-ray when they See HD-DVD has little to no support from the movie studios.

WTF?

"cheapest (and noisiest) BD player on the market."

Are you serious? 

The thing is like.. silent. 

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"]Not when HD DVD players will probably drop to $199 by Christmas. Under $200 attracts a lot of attention. The PS2 took off at $199. So did DVD players in general.Runningflame570

Thats still an artificially low price and other manufacturers won't jump in unless theres real profit motive for them (Toshiba has it considering how they will be getting most of the royalties on HD-DVD). The BDA can easily match of beat Toshiba's pricing at that point if it becomes an issue.

Not now. They'd take more than a 100% loss (IOW, they'd lose more than it costs to just make the darn thing). After all, Sony can't seem to drop the price of its own precious PS3 to compete with the XBox 360--even though it knows that $200 was the magic number for the PS2 last generation. You'd think they'd be diving the price like crazy to gain market share--but beyond a certain point the model becomes unsustainable.HuusAsking

Of course not now, right now they are stilling throttling HD-DVD and aren't concerned but if indeed HD-DVD reaches $199 by Christmas Blu-Ray manufacturers (such as Sony who have said they will remain profitable at $299 by that point) could drop prices in response provided it became an issue and maintain their lead position.

Also you are saying much the same thing as I did in my prior post about Toshiba in the last couple of sentences there...at some point the model becomes unsustainable and Toshiba's business model certainly fits right in there they are losing hundreds for each player they sell and thats just on the hardware itself, thats not counting the free movie vouchers they are passing around like jolly ranchers. 

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"]Not now. They'd take more than a 100% loss (IOW, they'd lose more than it costs to just make the darn thing). After all, Sony can't seem to drop the price of its own precious PS3 to compete with the XBox 360--even though it knows that $200 was the magic number for the PS2 last generation. You'd think they'd be diving the price like crazy to gain market share--but beyond a certain point the model becomes unsustainable.Runningflame570

Of course not now, right now they are stilling throttling HD-DVD and aren't concerned but if indeed HD-DVD reaches $199 by Christmas Blu-Ray manufacturers (such as Sony who have said they will remain profitable at $299 by that point) could drop prices in response provided it became an issue and maintain their lead position.

Also you are saying much the same thing as I did in my prior post about Toshiba in the last couple of sentences there...at some point the model becomes unsustainable and Toshiba's business model certainly fits right in there they are losing hundreds for each player they sell and thats just on the hardware itself, thats not counting the free movie vouchers they are passing around like jolly ranchers. 

Porno Industries is suppoting Blue-Ray. I would just say Blue-Ray Has Already Won Format War!

Link: http://www.gamespot.com/news/6142519.html

Don't you think a stand alone player is much better than the one integrated in the PS3?

You get what you pay for... 

Porno Industries is suppoting Blue-Ray. I would just say Blue-Ray Has Already Won Format War!

 

Link: http://www.gamespot.com/news/6142519.html

 

uforaverwill

[QUOTE="-Spock-"]

Yeah, but if you wanted a Blu-ray player and a games console of sorts, the PS3 is still a bargain. Otherwise it's $500 (player) + another $400, or $500 + another $250, when it could just be a neat $600

Javy03

Exactly its an all in one. People who have NO interest in video games wouldnt buy a PS3 just for the Blu ray player. They would just wait for stand alones to get cheaper. Its just a justification for its price and its purchase. Its still the best bargin for HD gaming and HD movies and as the prices of the blu ray player gets cheaper you will see the PS3 prices get cheaper as well. Blu ray parts are not as expensive to make and that will reduce the cost of manufacturing of the PS3.

[QUOTE="Javy03"][QUOTE="-Spock-"]

Yeah, but if you wanted a Blu-ray player and a games console of sorts, the PS3 is still a bargain. Otherwise it's $500 (player) + another $400, or $500 + another $250, when it could just be a neat $600

subrosian

Exactly its an all in one. People who have NO interest in video games wouldnt buy a PS3 just for the Blu ray player. They would just wait for stand alones to get cheaper. Its just a justification for its price and its purchase. Its still the best bargin for HD gaming and HD movies and as the prices of the blu ray player gets cheaper you will see the PS3 prices get cheaper as well. Blu ray parts are not as expensive to make and that will reduce the cost of manufacturing of the PS3.