PS3 more powerful YEAH RIGHT. Mass Effect says PROVE IT SONY!!! Video links.

[QUOTE="maabus99"][QUOTE="AskForDetails"]

[QUOTE="venomgxt"]The 360 is more powerful than any console right now, PS3 is not. and im being technical too AskForDetails

CELL>>>>>>QUADCORE>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>XEON

please dont try to use fake words, so may threads about this have been done, everyone should know this by now

Umm no, that is why Apple chose Core Duos over the Cell because the Cell wasn't as powerful...so saying it is better then quadcore is just asinine.

i dont need to explain, look at the thread where they linked the comparrason between the processors

Then they are wrong. Plain and Simple. I don't need to explain.

If you sign up for the NY Times, you can read why:

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/11/technology/11apple.html?oref=login

[QUOTE="JTH_22"][QUOTE="AskForDetails"][QUOTE="JTH_22"][QUOTE="AskForDetails"]

[QUOTE="JTH_22"]Word of advice don't call out someone else for being a fanboy then claim two other games that AREN'Tout yet either own Mass Effect. You basically just owned yourself. I mean the otherCow hyped titles have really lived up to potential huh :roll: .AskForDetails

also MASS EFFECT ISNT OUT YET ETHER... OWNED HAHAH HAHA HAHAHHAHAH

Read much? I said "either", so let me breakdown for you what that means...none of the games(Mass Effect included)are out yet I know this which would be why I said "either" so calm down and stop owning yourself repeatedly.For you to claim ownage by using other games still in developement is pointless, that was my point.

ah ha but you miss understand, the point was that im compairing games that arnt out yet wiht mass effect which also isnt out yet, in order to have an even comparison... so in the end you just made yourself look foolish... trying to rush to your defence..LOL

Maybe I need to go more slowly. I...never...said...Mass Effect..."owned"...any of those...games...you...said...Heavy Rain..."has the best graphics ever"...it...doesn't...come...out...until...2008...and...it's...not...confirmed...to...come...out...then...so...you...have...no...idea...

what...it...will...look...like...you're...taking...someone's...word...that...those...pics...are...legit...Mass Effect...has...been...played...with...confirmed...gameplay...video...so...we...know...what...it...looks...like.

I'm done here it's like beating your head against a brick wall, by the way don't call someone a lemm when their not. I've said on here several time I'm going to get a PS3 and I've owned all but the N64 out of the past two gens (Wii and 360 now). I don't blindly pledge allegiance to a corporation, I'm just a gamer.

lol, why do you want a PS3 now MR. GAMER

hence the title

PS3 more powerful YEAH RIGHT. MASS EFFECT says rove it sony!!!

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makes me wonder, you knew about games like

KZ2-which was CGI in 05, and ended up lookign amazign in 07

Heavy rain, the technical demo for the game(real time known fact stated)

MGS4 GT5 and more....

also i think you need to look into the space bar the dots can be ditracting after my head has been bashed against the wall right???????????????

HAHA

Dude you make yourself look more foolish every time you type. You don't know me. I've always said that a person wouldn't be able to go wrong with either system in the long run. I just can't stand to listen to peoplewho have this blind loyalty to a product. Don't assume you know what happens when you assume, you make an a** out of you... Anyway, oh and according to who is Heavy Rain's "tech demo" "real time known fact", Sony, the devs, if it's not from an impartial source I'll remain skeptical? You can eat up all the "spin" Sony feeds you if you want. Sony's line-up for '08 will be good but you are the ONLY person (and I'm including the most die-hard cows on here) that I've seen try to hype Heavy Rain, I'm sure there's a reason for that, like no onereally knows squat about the game yet.

[QUOTE="AskForDetails"][QUOTE="maabus99"][QUOTE="AskForDetails"]

[QUOTE="venomgxt"]The 360 is more powerful than any console right now, PS3 is not. and im being technical too maabus99

CELL>>>>>>QUADCORE>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>XEON

please dont try to use fake words, so may threads about this have been done, everyone should know this by now

Umm no, that is why Apple chose Core Duos over the Cell because the Cell wasn't as powerful...so saying it is better then quadcore is just asinine.

i dont need to explain, look at the thread where they linked the comparrason between the processors

Then they are wrong. Plain and Simple. I don't need to explain.

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25772771

cell is the best go argue with IBM if you have a problem with the way they run tests

[QUOTE="maabus99"][QUOTE="AskForDetails"][QUOTE="maabus99"][QUOTE="AskForDetails"]

[QUOTE="venomgxt"]The 360 is more powerful than any console right now, PS3 is not. and im being technical too AskForDetails

CELL>>>>>>QUADCORE>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>XEON

please dont try to use fake words, so may threads about this have been done, everyone should know this by now

Umm no, that is why Apple chose Core Duos over the Cell because the Cell wasn't as powerful...so saying it is better then quadcore is just asinine.

i dont need to explain, look at the thread where they linked the comparrason between the processors

Then they are wrong. Plain and Simple. I don't need to explain.

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25772771

LOL YOU quoted that nonsense? Do you even know what they were talking about. I feel sorry for you, really, I do.

[QUOTE="Timstuff"]Heavenly Sword pretty much beats every Xbox 360 game into the dirt when it comes to power.Bones82

Not this one. Heavenly Sword is too cartoon like.

Then get me some white gloves and call me Mickey.

[QUOTE="AskForDetails"][QUOTE="maabus99"][QUOTE="AskForDetails"][QUOTE="maabus99"][QUOTE="AskForDetails"]

[QUOTE="venomgxt"]The 360 is more powerful than any console right now, PS3 is not. and im being technical too maabus99

CELL>>>>>>QUADCORE>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>XEON

please dont try to use fake words, so may threads about this have been done, everyone should know this by now

Umm no, that is why Apple chose Core Duos over the Cell because the Cell wasn't as powerful...so saying it is better then quadcore is just asinine.

i dont need to explain, look at the thread where they linked the comparrason between the processors

Then they are wrong. Plain and Simple. I don't need to explain.

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25772771

LOL YOU quoted that nonsense? Do you even know what they were talking about. I feel sorry for you, really, I do.

yes i do know, i feel sorry you didnt read it

=====from thread=====

Quote: IBM just published a paper about a financial app on Cell, their end result was a Dual Cell blade beating a dual Xeon (Woodcrest, quad core) by 11X on single precision, 3X on double precision. Thanks to Adex on Beyond3d for this one:

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=36058&page=11

(more details and great discussion on the seeming impossibility of these results on beyond3d and why the Cell is just that much faster).

Just wanted to add this quote to see the impact of this test:

Quote: What its essentially saying is that a single SPU is 50% faster than a 3Ghz Core2 at DP FLOPS despite the fact that the Core 2 has about 4-5x higher theoretical peak and a similar transistor count advantage. Sounds a bit ludicrous to me. Just goes to show that Cell = can get to its theoretical peak, X86 is lucky to get even half its theoretical peak.

Ok now what the hell has this to do with the Cell and the PS3 its a blade comparison you idiot Terra? (you may very well post, but I am prempting you ahah!)

Ok the blade is exactly the same as your Cell in your PS3 except that its 1xCell instead of 2xCell and your PS3 Cell also has one redundant SPU and one locked for the OS.

Sooooo taking in mind that single percision is the most important we will look at this first.

This means that optimised code for the Cell PS3 > Optimised code for 2xquad CPU by about 4 or 5 single percision.

If you half 11, you get about 5 maybe 6, now take off the (2) SPU's and your down to about 4-5 probably closer to 4.

So your Cell processor for optimised code (including games) will still be better than optimised code for 2xQuad set up.

However most games are not optimised for a particular PC CPU's due to the fact that games need to be compatible on previous cores i.e. from single core, double core, to quad etc. This means that while first party game and physics will allways be optimised for the PS3 (especally later on in life cycle) your PC cannot do the same. Meaning that the 4x greater will become maginatudes greater (twice, three times the amount????).

Most suprising at all but the least relevant if we follow my logic above even in double percision 1 Cell is about the same or `1.5 times faster than a 2xQuad core.

THUS CELL PS3 = AT LEAST 4x speed in single percision over 2xQuads and with no optimisation (to the same degree as Cell anyway) the gap will be even more apparant.

That means your probably looking at something like 4xQuad to 6xQuad to equal the speed that Cell is capable of processing games.

Which finally means that Cell is going to be allot stronger than your average PC for the next couple of years at least!!!

Ok you have 2 minutes to define/answer:

1.) Singe percision.

2.) How this applies to games.

Good luck...

Ok you have 2 minutes to define/answer:

1.) Singe percision.

2.) How this applies to games.

Good luck...

maabus99

1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_precision

2) the idea that the multi functions of the spe's of the cell can allow for multitasking

to elabarate on number 2, more calculations for physics AI etc. the works

From your own link, here are the REAL, full processing benchmarks:

Dhrystone v2.1
PS3 Cell 3.2GHz: 1879.630
PowerPC G4 1.25GHz: 2202.600
PentiumIII 866MHz: 1124.311
Pentium4 2.0AGHz: 1694.717
Pentium4 3.2GHz: 3258.068

・Linpack 100x100 Benchmark In C/C++ (Rolled Double Precision)
PS3 Cell 3.2GHz: 315.71
PentiumIII 866MHz: 313.05
Pentium4 2.0AGHz: 683.91
Pentium4 3.2GHz: 770.66
Athlon64 X2 4400+ (2.2GHz): 781.58

・Linpack 100x100 Benchmark In C/C++ (Rolled Single Precision)
PS3 Cell 3.2GHz: 312.64
PentiumIII 866MHz: 198.7
Pentium4 2.0AGHz: 82.57
Pentium4 3.2GHz: 276.14
Athlon64 X2 4400+ (2.2GHz): 538.05

Not so hot...

Oh and grats on linking wiki, you just failed that question since you didn't know.

Believing a forum post makes you look foolish in the minds of other folks.

From your own link, here are the REAL, full processing benchmarks:

Dhrystone v2.1
PS3 Cell 3.2GHz: 1879.630
PowerPC G4 1.25GHz: 2202.600
PentiumIII 866MHz: 1124.311
Pentium4 2.0AGHz: 1694.717
Pentium4 3.2GHz: 3258.068

・Linpack 100x100 Benchmark In C/C++ (Rolled Double Precision)
PS3 Cell 3.2GHz: 315.71
PentiumIII 866MHz: 313.05
Pentium4 2.0AGHz: 683.91
Pentium4 3.2GHz: 770.66
Athlon64 X2 4400+ (2.2GHz): 781.58

・Linpack 100x100 Benchmark In C/C++ (Rolled Single Precision)
PS3 Cell 3.2GHz: 312.64
PentiumIII 866MHz: 198.7
Pentium4 2.0AGHz: 82.57
Pentium4 3.2GHz: 276.14
Athlon64 X2 4400+ (2.2GHz): 538.05

Not so hot...

Oh and grats on linking wiki, you just failed that question since you didn't know.

Believing a forum post makes you look foolish in the minds of other folks.

maabus99

o my gosh you are soooooo right...right? ....im not a computer gueak so ill hold off until i educate myself more about this, but go argue with the quotes the guy proveded

i still disagree btw

im reading over the breakdown of this and others and ill get back to you

http://www.blachford.info/computer/Cell/Cell1_v2.html

actually this one should be better for info on it

http://domino.research.ibm.com/comm/research.nsf/pages/r.arch.innovation.html

He's just another fanboy spouting out tech specs, even though he has no idea what they mean, and even though the Cell processor is only botching multi-plats and delaying games, that's all.

Guess the cell couldn't stop Madden, NHL, and a ton of other games from clocking in at 30 FPS while the 360 versions are at a solid 60 FPS, eh? :lol:V_Isle

Trying to port from 360 to PS3 is difficult because it's like trying to seperate all the ingredients in a soup onto a plate. However, porting from PS3 to 360 is more like going from a plate dinner and making a soup, so in the future we'll probably see more multiplats made with PS3 as the lead platform. The only reason third parties are botching up multiplats is because they are lazy and would rather strip stuff out than assign things to the SPEs, where the Cell's true power is. If they start developing multiplats with PS3 as the lead platform however, it be a non-issue.

[QUOTE="maabus99"]

From your own link, here are the REAL, full processing benchmarks:

Dhrystone v2.1
PS3 Cell 3.2GHz: 1879.630
PowerPC G4 1.25GHz: 2202.600
PentiumIII 866MHz: 1124.311
Pentium4 2.0AGHz: 1694.717
Pentium4 3.2GHz: 3258.068

・Linpack 100x100 Benchmark In C/C++ (Rolled Double Precision)
PS3 Cell 3.2GHz: 315.71
PentiumIII 866MHz: 313.05
Pentium4 2.0AGHz: 683.91
Pentium4 3.2GHz: 770.66
Athlon64 X2 4400+ (2.2GHz): 781.58

・Linpack 100x100 Benchmark In C/C++ (Rolled Single Precision)
PS3 Cell 3.2GHz: 312.64
PentiumIII 866MHz: 198.7
Pentium4 2.0AGHz: 82.57
Pentium4 3.2GHz: 276.14
Athlon64 X2 4400+ (2.2GHz): 538.05

Not so hot...

Oh and grats on linking wiki, you just failed that question since you didn't know.

Believing a forum post makes you look foolish in the minds of other folks.

AskForDetails

o my gosh you are soooooo right...right? ....im not a computer gueak so ill hold off until i educate myself more about this, but go argue with the quotes the guy proveded

i still disagree btw

im reading over the breakdown of this and others and ill get back to you

http://www.blachford.info/computer/Cell/Cell1_v2.html

Now you are doing something smart, researching what real world applications are and non of this single percision, theoratical peak power stuff. The cell does have some great potential, but know why it is good at these numbers vs the quad, but how it only applies to this processing type and not real world processing.

[QUOTE="V_Isle"]He's just another fanboy spouting out tech specs, even though he has no idea what they mean, and even though the Cell processor is only botching multi-plats and delaying games, that's all.

Guess the cell couldn't stop Madden, NHL, and a ton of other games from clocking in at 30 FPS while the 360 versions are at a solid 60 FPS, eh? :lol:Timstuff

Trying to port from 360 to PS3 is difficult because it's like trying to seperate all the ingredients in a soup onto a plate. However, porting from PS3 to 360 is more like going from a plate dinner and making a soup, so in the future we'll probably see more multiplats made with PS3 as the lead platform. The only reason third parties are botching up multiplats is because they are lazy and would rather strip stuff out than assign things to the SPEs, where the Cell's true power is. If they start developing multiplats with PS3 as the lead platform however, it be a non-issue.

Actually I semi agree with this but due to the fact the PS3 has the lowest RAM denominator, so it has to be optimized first then the rest come into play. It has other capabilites that will make it shine though where they can be creative and get around the RAM issue.

[QUOTE="AskForDetails"][QUOTE="maabus99"]

From your own link, here are the REAL, full processing benchmarks:

Dhrystone v2.1
PS3 Cell 3.2GHz: 1879.630
PowerPC G4 1.25GHz: 2202.600
PentiumIII 866MHz: 1124.311
Pentium4 2.0AGHz: 1694.717
Pentium4 3.2GHz: 3258.068

・Linpack 100x100 Benchmark In C/C++ (Rolled Double Precision)
PS3 Cell 3.2GHz: 315.71
PentiumIII 866MHz: 313.05
Pentium4 2.0AGHz: 683.91
Pentium4 3.2GHz: 770.66
Athlon64 X2 4400+ (2.2GHz): 781.58

・Linpack 100x100 Benchmark In C/C++ (Rolled Single Precision)
PS3 Cell 3.2GHz: 312.64
PentiumIII 866MHz: 198.7
Pentium4 2.0AGHz: 82.57
Pentium4 3.2GHz: 276.14
Athlon64 X2 4400+ (2.2GHz): 538.05

Not so hot...

Oh and grats on linking wiki, you just failed that question since you didn't know.

Believing a forum post makes you look foolish in the minds of other folks.

maabus99

o my gosh you are soooooo right...right? ....im not a computer gueak so ill hold off until i educate myself more about this, but go argue with the quotes the guy proveded

i still disagree btw

im reading over the breakdown of this and others and ill get back to you

http://www.blachford.info/computer/Cell/Cell1_v2.html

Now you are doing something smart, researching what real world applications are and non of this single percision, theoratical peak power stuff. The cell does have some great potential, but know why it is good at these numbers vs the quad, but how it only applies to this processing type and not real world processing.

i know the PS3 cell is 3.2ghz

and the normal cell is 4.0ghz, so waht was the whole thing of apple choosing duo core over the cell again???

[QUOTE="MGS9150"]Killzone 2 and MGS 4 look better, Uncharted and HS look as good. And you created a new account to post this???Areola54

no they don't. PS3 simply cannot do Mass effect. it's simple as that

[QUOTE="Hitamaru-homia"]MGS4>Mass effect Killzone 2 is the best looking non pc game to date. Yeah it beats gears after seeing that trailer at E3 07Robot_Slough

You truly are in denial most would agree nothing on PS3 to date or in there pipeline is on the level of Mass Effect.

This is a quote from the editorial from a Sony guy (yes, Sony).

"An executive close to Sony told the newspaper that Steve Jobs met in California with the CEO of Sony at that time, Nobuyuki Idei, and Ken Kutaragi, the so called "father of the PlayStation".

Mr. Kutaragi tried to interest Mr. Jobs in adopting the Cell chip, which is being developed by I.B.M. for use in the coming PlayStation 3, in exchange for access to certain Sony technologies. Mr. Jobs rejected the idea, telling Mr. Kutaragi that he was disappointed with the Cell design, which he believes will be even less effective than the PowerPC. "

Shortly after this, the editorial goes into how Apple ended its strategic development alliance with IBM (the true fathers of the Cell). It just didn't impress them as much as Intel did is the bottom line. Corporate decision.

[QUOTE="Timstuff"]

[QUOTE="V_Isle"]He's just another fanboy spouting out tech specs, even though he has no idea what they mean, and even though the Cell processor is only botching multi-plats and delaying games, that's all.

Guess the cell couldn't stop Madden, NHL, and a ton of other games from clocking in at 30 FPS while the 360 versions are at a solid 60 FPS, eh? :lol:maabus99

Trying to port from 360 to PS3 is difficult because it's like trying to seperate all the ingredients in a soup onto a plate. However, porting from PS3 to 360 is more like going from a plate dinner and making a soup, so in the future we'll probably see more multiplats made with PS3 as the lead platform. The only reason third parties are botching up multiplats is because they are lazy and would rather strip stuff out than assign things to the SPEs, where the Cell's true power is. If they start developing multiplats with PS3 as the lead platform however, it be a non-issue.

Actually I semi agree with this but due to the fact the PS3 has the lowest RAM denominator, so it has to be optimized first then the rest come into play. It has other capabilites that will make it shine though where they can be creative and get around the RAM issue.

Why would the PS3 use this "ultimate" processor and skimp on the RAM? Fromwhat I havethe RAM on the 360 seems to be helping developers rather than hindering them.

[QUOTE="Jango_Bailey"]Atari Jaguar was more powerful then the SNES and Genesis, and yet their games looked better then the Jaguar. Think about that for a second.AskForDetails

KZ2 owns this game.... owns it..... anyways bcz ur a fanboy ur going to disagree natural so ill let you in on a secret..one oyu cant disagree with... its a game still in development last i heard...

PS3 has the best graphic game in history and its been around for a year now...

HEAVY RAIN!!!

owned every single one of you....not even PC has this graphics... osrry crysis and alan wake com back another time...

CGI RAIN:lol: You cows have to post CGI to try and compete with realtime gameplay on 360