Is there any good looking ps3 shooter that can shell out 720p 2xMSAA online multiplayer with steady framerate? I say this is impossible on the ps3 because even the best of the best, UC2, KZ2/3, had to cut corners. UC2 online had zero AA. KZ2 had to use Quinctux, a less expensive and blurring AA alternative. UC3 & KZ3 are no different MLAA. this proves that the PS3 never technically beat the 360. You can oversaturate the colors to make it more appealing to the eyes but technically it shows. And this is from a guy who called Cliffy B a Cry baby
You completly lost me with saying "20p 2xMSAA" what exactly does that mean? :?.. yes i not an expert in computer stuff or whatever they name graphics :lol:
You can spew out tecnicalities all you want, but in the end, most would say that KZ2 surpassed Gears 2 as a whole as far as visuals is concerned, and UC2 just put the visual notch a little higher.
Do remember that "technically", the ps3 was suppose to run circles around the 360.;)
I have no idea what you're on about but Killzone 2/3 both look better than Gears online. Uncharted 2 looked like crap in MP though. Still Gears 2 was unplayable online.
I went back to both Gears 2 and Uncharted 2 not to long ago and man, Gears looked so washed out compared to Uncharted 2.
LegatoSkyheart
Yeah the thing I really love about Uncharted 2 graphics is that they are so crisp. Its hard to describe but it is so easy on the eyes. It is the same thing I like about the half-life engines. (can't comment on gears 2 as I haven't played it extensively enough to form any opinions)
final version of Gears 3 had no AA whatsoever, its 3D is terrible, framerate dips as low as 24 fps.
rumbalumba
I've only been playing online, but the game looks absolutely gorgeous. As DF said, the lack of AA isn't overly apparent - in fact all of the post processing certainly makes up for it. No framerate dips whatsoever at all.
Well "technically" the job of AA is to blur things. It's a crutch used by developers to hide things that look bad, by putting a blur on them, because that often looks better. That's what MSAA, MLAA, QAA, etc are. They blur parts of the game, to make it look better. You won't get far boasting about 2xAA on Xbox360 games. That just proves that the textures are ugly and they are hiding it with blur. Of course PS3 games do it too. It's nothing to be proud of. All I'll say is this. 360 uses ATI, PS3 uses Nvidia. It's why 360 games all look canned. Nvidia has always produced cleaner, crisper colors. Besides that difference they are basically the same, and dependent on the developers.
oh hey rich-sac. how are you enjoying your crap-in-3D, framerate-dippy, AA-lacky Gears of war 3? is it graphics king yet? :lol:
Oh, Gears 3, you mean that game that outscored everything that has released on PS3 this year? That game?
FFS, people. The game looks good. Pretty much every game drops frames in cutscenes, it has the same resolution as everything else in 3D mode, and they chose post-processing effects over AA.
People who want to talk about graphics should be forced to read DF.
oh hey rich-sac. how are you enjoying your crap-in-3D, framerate-dippy, AA-lacky Gears of war 3? is it graphics king yet? :lol:
DarkLink77
Oh, Gears 3, you mean that game that outscored everything that has released on PS3 this year? That game? FFS, people. :roll:
yes, that game. talknig about scores in a graphics thread? great. now let's talk about sales! oh look Black Ops is the best game ever! so is Wii Sports! :roll:
yes, that game. talknig about scores in a graphics thread? great. now let's talk about sales! oh look Black Ops is the best game ever! so is Wii Sports! :roll:
rumbalumba
See my edit. The original post didn't really cover what I wanted it to.
Gow3 don't even have multiplayer, none the less handle a rotating camera in single player. UC2 never even beat KZ2 Graphically nor Technically, but it did beat kz2 with it's oversaturated colors, and colors aren't technical. And again, none of them can handle 2xMSAA online
[QUOTE="Heil68"]GOW3, KZ3 and Uncharted2 destroyed it. rich-sac
Gow3 don't even have multiplayer, none the less handle a rotating camera in single player. UC2 never even beat KZ2 Graphically nor Technically, but it did beat kz2 with it's oversaturated colors, and colors aren't technical. And again, none of them can handle 2xMSAA online It's not like Gears has 2XAA on every object, though. And until you get up to 8XAA, MLAA and FXAA is better. Kind of a moot point.
oh hey rich-sac. how are you enjoying your crap-in-3D, framerate-dippy, AA-lacky Gears of war 3? is it graphics king yet? :lol:
Oh, Gears 3, you mean that game that outscored everything that has released on PS3 this year? That game?
FFS, people. The game looks good. Pretty much every game drops frames in cutscenes, it has the same resolution as everything else in 3D mode, and they chose post-processing effects over AA.
People who want to talk about graphics should be forced to read DF.
and how long did the lems have to wait for this game?
oh hey rich-sac. how are you enjoying your crap-in-3D, framerate-dippy, AA-lacky Gears of war 3? is it graphics king yet? :lol:
ermacness
Oh, Gears 3, you mean that game that outscored everything that has released on PS3 this year? That game?
FFS, people. The game looks good. Pretty much every game drops frames in cutscenes, it has the same resolution as everything else in 3D mode, and they chose post-processing effects over AA.
People who want to talk about graphics should be forced to read DF.
and how long did the lems have to wait for this game? That wasn't really the point of the post, but whatever.
[QUOTE="rich-sac"][QUOTE="Heil68"]GOW3, KZ3 and Uncharted2 destroyed it. DarkLink77
Gow3 don't even have multiplayer, none the less handle a rotating camera in single player. UC2 never even beat KZ2 Graphically nor Technically, but it did beat kz2 with it's oversaturated colors, and colors aren't technical. And again, none of them can handle 2xMSAA online It's not like Gears has 2XAA on every object, though. And until you get up to 8XAA, MLAA and FXAA is better. Kind of a moot point. MLAA? Lol, I'd take jaggies over flickering any day
[QUOTE="AtariKidX"]Probably you don't have play U1&U2,God of War 3,Killzone 2&3,Infamous 1&2,Resistance 3,Metal Gear Solid 4.DarkLink77
Did you seriously just say that MGS4, Uncharted: DF, and the original inFamous look better than Gears 2? Do we live in Bizzaro world now?Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the same site that gave Gears 3 a "higher review than ANYTHING on the ps3" also stated that MGS4 boasted the best technical graphics that year, in which was coincidentally the same year that Gears 2 released.
[QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Oh, Gears 3, you mean that game that outscored everything that has released on PS3 this year? That game?
FFS, people. The game looks good. Pretty much every game drops frames in cutscenes, it has the same resolution as everything else in 3D mode, and they chose post-processing effects over AA.
People who want to talk about graphics should be forced to read DF.
DarkLink77
and how long did the lems have to wait for this game? That wasn't really the point of the post, but whatever. but I wasn't responding to the point of your post, just the part I bolded out.:|
[QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"]Well "technically" the job of AA is to blur things. It's a crutch used by developers to hide things that look bad, by putting a blur on them, because that often looks better. That's what MSAA, MLAA, QAA, etc are. They blur parts of the game, to make it look better. You won't get far boasting about 2xAA on Xbox360 games. That just proves that the textures are ugly and they are hiding it with blur. Of course PS3 games do it too. It's nothing to be proud of. All I'll say is this. 360 uses ATI, PS3 uses Nvidia. It's why 360 games all look canned. Nvidia has always produced cleaner, crisper colors. Besides that difference they are basically the same, and dependent on the developers. No, you are wrong. Its job is not to blur ugly textures or whatnot; its job is to blur the jagged edges of models, which will always look ugly. Even the best games; even Crysis have jagged edges if AA is not applied. All modern 3D games are made this way, and AA is the only solution as of now. nVidia doesn't have a visual advantage over ATi in terms of gaming visuals. Don't state inaccurate things just to push the argument in favour of your preferred console.
[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="AtariKidX"]Probably you don't have play U1&U2,God of War 3,Killzone 2&3,Infamous 1&2,Resistance 3,Metal Gear Solid 4.ermacness
Did you seriously just say that MGS4, Uncharted: DF, and the original inFamous look better than Gears 2? Do we live in Bizzaro world now?Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the same site that gave Gears 3 a "higher review than ANYTHING on the ps3" also stated that MGS4 boasted the best technical graphics that year, in which was coincidentally the same year that Gears 2 released. And the same year as Crysis: Warhead. So they were wrong twice.
[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="ermacness"]and how long did the lems have to wait for this game?
ermacness
That wasn't really the point of the post, but whatever. but I wasn't responding to the point of your post, just the part I bolded out.:| Then why bother responding if you are going to ignore the point entirely?
[QUOTE="rich-sac"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="rich-sac"] Gow3 don't even have multiplayer, none the less handle a rotating camera in single player. UC2 never even beat KZ2 Graphically nor Technically, but it did beat kz2 with it's oversaturated colors, and colors aren't technical. And again, none of them can handle 2xMSAA online It's not like Gears has 2XAA on every object, though. And until you get up to 8XAA, MLAA and FXAA is better. Kind of a moot point. MLAA? Lol, I'd take jaggies over flickering any day Personal opinion doesn't factor into this at all. You know that, right? They produce better results until you hit 8XAA. That's pretty much a fact as confirmed by DF and the dev community.
[QUOTE="rich-sac"][QUOTE="Heil68"]GOW3, KZ3 and Uncharted2 destroyed it. DarkLink77
Gow3 don't even have multiplayer, none the less handle a rotating camera in single player. UC2 never even beat KZ2 Graphically nor Technically, but it did beat kz2 with it's oversaturated colors, and colors aren't technical. And again, none of them can handle 2xMSAA online It's not like Gears has 2XAA on every object, though. And until you get up to 8XAA, MLAA and FXAA is better. Kind of a moot point. I don't care about Gears, but claiming that MLAA or FXAA are superior than MSAA in terms of quality is plainly wrong. MSAA looks better than both those post-processing AAs in motion any day. It may be the oldest and most resource-using AA, but its quality is still regarded as the best. At 1080p, x2 MSAA would look better than MLAA/FXAA either in motion or stillframe; x4 MSAA would simply be overkill compared to MLAA/FXAA.
[QUOTE="GhoX"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="rich-sac"] Gow3 don't even have multiplayer, none the less handle a rotating camera in single player. UC2 never even beat KZ2 Graphically nor Technically, but it did beat kz2 with it's oversaturated colors, and colors aren't technical. And again, none of them can handle 2xMSAA online It's not like Gears has 2XAA on every object, though. And until you get up to 8XAA, MLAA and FXAA is better. Kind of a moot point. I don't care about Gears, but claiming that MLAA or FXAA are superior than MSAA in terms of quality is plainly wrong. MSAA looks better than both those post-processing AAs in motion any day. It may be the oldest and most resource-using AA, but its quality is still regarded as the best. At 1080p, x2 MSAA would look better than MLAA/FXAA either in motion or stillframe; x4 MSAA would simply be overkill compared to MLAA/FXAA. Digital Foundry disagrees with you.
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