PS3 "Slim" Condemned by the 360 Fanbase

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#1 Rockman999
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There is an opinion among the Microsoft fanbase that the new PS3 has been brought out by Sony not because of efficiencies in manufacturing the console, but because Sony are using the "Slim" to boost sales. If sales numbers for the remaining original design PS3's are any indication, it is the price reduction that has made the difference and not the redesign.

There is propaganda amongst 360 loyalists that the new PS3 is superior to that which has come before. I for one do not think that the new PS3 is "Slim" enough and it is for that reason that Sony have not dubbed this new design the PSthree. Another difference is the size of the hard-drive but that is standard of both platforms. The most significant difference is that you cannot install another operating system on the new PS3.

For me the only improvement is the noise heard from the new PS3, it is supposedly at a far lower level. I would rather a company redesign the console to bring me a cheaper price and a quieter console, than leave the console and it's cooling system the same only to allow me to rip a disk to the hard-drive. This is the route Microsoft went, knowing fully well that the consumer would need to buy a branded hard-drive to take advantage of this feature.

There is an idea that owners of the original design PS3 should feel ripped off. Unless you find the dimensions beneficial, that's ridiculous. That's like saying 360 owners who bought a Pro at $300 should feel ripped off because at that price point it is going to be replaced with the Elite.

360 fanboys are also miss-informed about the time frame in which the PSone and PStwo came out. These two were out in the 4th year, not the sixth or seventh or eighth! This new PS3 is out in the third, but as I've said it's not the PSthree.

It is a sad truth that such falsities find there way into the mainstream so quickly but that is the nature of fanboyism. Even today a 360 fanboy will make the claim that there are no games on the PS3. These gamers are ill-informed and it is primarily due to the brilliance of XBox Live. When you're paying a subscription, you'll get your money's worth even when it means getting your information from one source only. From this, most 360 gamers are oblivious to the fact that the PS3 version of TMNT Turtles in Time and Batman: Arkham Asylum have extra content.

Does this go both ways? I can honestly say that all the PS3 owners I know, knew about the exclusive DLC for Fallout 3 and GTA IV on the 360.

With all these snide remarks, is this to say 360 owners would not welcome a 360 slim? The number of articles being written about a 360 slim on the horizon only goes to show how ridiculous this Console War has become.

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#2 Videodogg
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What?

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#3 MJPK
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What?

Videodogg

agree with this :?

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#4 WilliamRLBaker
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Sony is 100 dollars in the hole reach slim sold on last check...

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#6 Brownesque
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As a matter of fact, the PS3 Slim is slimmer than phat PS3.
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#7 Luigi_The_Pimp
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Summary in one sentence please
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#8 Legendaryscmt
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After getting a PS3, my only complaint is that Sony can't make up their mind for **** on how many SKUs they want.

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#9 WilliamRLBaker
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Summary in one sentence pleaseLuigi_The_Pimp
this system wars, Lemmings dont like the new ps3. this is system wars, cows dont like the 360. this is system wars..sheep are just kind of there.
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#10 Filthybastrd
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Summary:

Extreme lemmings don't like the ps3 slim because they feel threatened on behalf of Microsoft.

Don't worry, MS will be fine

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#11 Communistsheep
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1. Irony is really dripping from this post tc.

2. Who cares about harcore lemmings?

3. Down with console wars, don't post here.

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#12 93soccer
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[QUOTE="Videodogg"]

What?

MJPK

agree with this :?

Me too :?

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#13 gago-gago
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I remember someone posting in a thread and they had a huge list of gaming news media that had something negative to say about the PS3. I believe they started off their post by saying, "why does the media hate the PS3" or something like that. So would this "360 fanbase" also include these new media since also have something negative to say about the PS3 and the Slim?

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#14 clone01
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[QUOTE="MJPK"]

[QUOTE="Videodogg"]

What?

agree with this :?

i concur. i don't think i understand the post.
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#15 deactivated-63f6895020e66
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[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="MJPK"]

[QUOTE="Videodogg"]

What?

agree with this :?

i concur. i don't think i understand the post.

Me neither. :?
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#16 xsubtownerx
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[QUOTE="Videodogg"]

What?

MJPK

agree with this :?

Same with me. This went way over my head..
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#17 Rockman999
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Sony is 100 dollars in the hole reach slim sold on last check...

WilliamRLBaker

Really, when was the last time you checked?

As far as I know PS3 manufracturing cost went down 70% with the slim.

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#18 AHUGECAT
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The PS3 Slim is MASSIVE.

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#19 WilliamRLBaker
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[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

Sony is 100 dollars in the hole reach slim sold on last check...

Rockman999

Really, when was the last time you checked?

As far as I know PS3 manufracturing cost went down 70% with the slim.

FROM the originals 800 dollar to produce price tag, thats the originals, these are all new 42nm chicps or so and you have the other things like shrinking the main board, and the case..etc http://www.edge-online.com/news/sony-to-sell-ps3-slim-at-a-loss
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[QUOTE="MJPK"]

[QUOTE="Videodogg"]

What?

93soccer

agree with this :?

Me too :?

Me Three:|

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#21 CoreoVII
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[QUOTE="MJPK"]

[QUOTE="Videodogg"]

What?

xsubtownerx

agree with this :?

Same with me. This went way over my head..

He's basically saying the PS3 is Awesome Sauce and way better than the 360.....wait what....I said that....

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#22 kindaalemming
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I dont get it!
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#23 vaderhater
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Ya damn lems keep bringing up the PS3slim and making new threads all day about it.;):roll:

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#24 kate_jones
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Sony is 100 dollars in the hole reach slim sold on last check...

WilliamRLBaker

the fat ps3 costs 254 usd to make. the slim has a cheaper bluray player and cheaper manufacturing process, the only more expensive part in it is the hard drive.

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#25 SpinoRaptor24
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There is an opinion among the Microsoft fanbase that the new PS3 has been brought out by Sony not because of efficiencies in manufacturing the console, but because Sony are using the "Slim" to boost sales. Rockman999
Uh...isn't that the point? Are 360 fanboys really getting worked up over this?
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#26 vaderhater
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[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

Sony is 100 dollars in the hole reach slim sold on last check...

kate_jones

the fat ps3 costs 254 usd to make. the slim has a cheaper bluray player and cheaper manufacturing process, the only more expensive part in it is the hard drive.

Actually Kaz comfirmed the other day that they still lose money on the slim hardware.

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#27 salxis
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[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

Sony is 100 dollars in the hole reach slim sold on last check...

kate_jones

the fat ps3 costs 254 usd to make. the slim has a cheaper bluray player and cheaper manufacturing process, the only more expensive part in it is the hard drive.

Kaz interview here, http://www.edge-online.com/news/sony-to-sell-ps3-slim-at-a-loss
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#28 kate_jones
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[QUOTE="kate_jones"]

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

Sony is 100 dollars in the hole reach slim sold on last check...

vaderhater

the fat ps3 costs 254 usd to make. the slim has a cheaper bluray player and cheaper manufacturing process, the only more expensive part in it is the hard drive.

Actually Kaz comfirmed the other day that they still lose money on the slim hardware.

yes which contradicted what he had said in the weeks before.

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#29 salxis
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[QUOTE="vaderhater"]

[QUOTE="kate_jones"]

the fat ps3 costs 254 usd to make. the slim has a cheaper bluray player and cheaper manufacturing process, the only more expensive part in it is the hard drive.

kate_jones

Actually Kaz comfirmed the other day that they still lose money on the slim hardware.

yes which contradicted what he had said in the weeks before.

I think Time interviews are more reliable :)
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#30 clubsammich91
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Oh brand loyalty. You are so funny yet make no sense.
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#31 kate_jones
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[QUOTE="kate_jones"]

[QUOTE="vaderhater"]Actually Kaz comfirmed the other day that they still lose money on the slim hardware.

salxis

yes which contradicted what he had said in the weeks before.

I think Time interviews are more reliable :)

meh, your preference of journalist doesn't explain why it costs 150 usd more to make, grasping at straws

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#32 metalgear-solid
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Well, the PS3 Slim is a great thing, on a whole new level compared to the 360.

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#33 reveiwer
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Well I'mthinking that the PS3 slim is sort of a last chance for Sony(okay second last chance) and if it flops then Sony we'll be in an even worse situation then before.

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Where is the backwards compatability??

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[QUOTE="xsubtownerx"][QUOTE="MJPK"]

[QUOTE="Videodogg"]

What?

agree with this :?

Same with me. This went way over my head..

Same here.
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#36 II_Seraphim_II
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[QUOTE="Videodogg"]

What?

MJPK

agree with this :?

I am so confused :(
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#37 amcallisterni
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There is an opinion among the Microsoft fanbase that the new PS3 has been brought out by Sony not because of efficiencies in manufacturing the console, but because Sony are using the "Slim" to boost sales. If sales numbers for the remaining original design PS3's are any indication, it is the price reduction that has made the difference and not the redesign.

There is propaganda amongst 360 loyalists that the new PS3 is superior to that which has come before. I for one do not think that the new PS3 is "Slim" enough and it is for that reason that Sony have not dubbed this new design the PSthree. Another difference is the size of the hard-drive but that is standard of both platforms. The most significant difference is that you cannot install another operating system on the new PS3.

For me the only improvement is the noise heard from the new PS3, it is supposedly at a far lower level. I would rather a company redesign the console to bring me a cheaper price and a quieter console, than leave the console and it's cooling system the same only to allow me to rip a disk to the hard-drive. This is the route Microsoft went, knowing fully well that the consumer would need to buy a branded hard-drive to take advantage of this feature.

There is an idea that owners of the original design PS3 should feel ripped off. Unless you find the dimensions beneficial, that's ridiculous. That's like saying 360 owners who bought a Pro at $300 should feel ripped off because at that price point it is going to be replaced with the Elite.

360 fanboys are also miss-informed about the time frame in which the PSone and PStwo came out. These two were out in the 4th year, not the sixth or seventh or eighth! This new PS3 is out in the third, but as I've said it's not the PSthree.

It is a sad truth that such falsities find there way into the mainstream so quickly but that is the nature of fanboyism. Even today a 360 fanboy will make the claim that there are no games on the PS3. These gamers are ill-informed and it is primarily due to the brilliance of XBox Live. When you're paying a subscription, you'll get your money's worth even when it means getting your information from one source only. From this, most 360 gamers are oblivious to the fact that the PS3 version of TMNT Turtles in Time and Batman: Arkham Asylum have extra content.

Does this go both ways? I can honestly say that all the PS3 owners I know, knew about the exclusive DLC for Fallout 3 and GTA IV on the 360.

With all these snide remarks, is this to say 360 owners would not welcome a 360 slim? The number of articles being written about a 360 slim on the horizon only goes to show how ridiculous this Console War has become.

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#38 CaptainHarley
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what an awful topic. i agree with the guy above

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[QUOTE="salxis"][QUOTE="kate_jones"]

yes which contradicted what he had said in the weeks before.

kate_jones

I think Time interviews are more reliable :)

meh, your preference of journalist doesn't explain why it costs 150 usd more to make, grasping at straws

actually your the one grasping. Kaz has admitted it costs more to produce the slim then 300 dollars they are selling it for. The 70% reduction is based upon the ps3's original manufacturing cost I.E its 800 or so dollar cost, this does not reflect on a completely REDESIGNED system, they have shrunk the cpu and gpu, main board and other chips, that costs money to use the latest and greatest, and then you have the R&D. So.....sony is still 100 dollars in hole with each slim sold.
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#40 shakmaster13
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[QUOTE="kate_jones"]

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

Sony is 100 dollars in the hole reach slim sold on last check...

vaderhater

the fat ps3 costs 254 usd to make. the slim has a cheaper bluray player and cheaper manufacturing process, the only more expensive part in it is the hard drive.

Actually Kaz comfirmed the other day that they still lose money on the slim hardware.

That is because they sell it to retailers for a price somewhat less than $299 here in the US. They are probably making a small loss on every PS3 sold as opposed to a huge one.

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[QUOTE="kate_jones"]

[QUOTE="vaderhater"]

[QUOTE="kate_jones"]

the fat ps3 costs 254 usd to make. the slim has a cheaper bluray player and cheaper manufacturing process, the only more expensive part in it is the hard drive.

Actually Kaz comfirmed the other day that they still lose money on the slim hardware.

yes which contradicted what he had said in the weeks before.

1. It wasn't Kaz that said that. 2. The guy said vaguely "about 70%" when pushed without quantifying exactly what he meant, cows of course but 2 and 2 together and made $254 for the old PS3 rather than the slim. 3. The manufacturing cost and the actual cost of making, shipping and selling the PS3 are not the same thing, but cows don't want to hear that.