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#1 klactose
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Not sure if this has already been discussed but I hadn't seen it posted yet. Anyway, it brought some information that I didn't know to light. And I thought it was pretty interesting given how a lot of people use associated cost as a factor in determining the "price" of a system (I can't tell you how many threads I've read saying that the 360 actually costs the same as or even more than a PS3, because in 4 years a gold subscription to xbox live will add $200 more dollars to the console price). Now I always thought that was a dumb comparision, but many support the logic in it.

Well for those who believe in that kind of comparison, what do you have to say about this?

The site warns that the US version of the PlayStation 3 comes with a sizeable 380W power supply, which is over twice as big as its main competitor, Microsoft's Xbox 360 at 165W, and over seven times more power hungry than the PlayStation 2.

If a user combines a PS3 with a sizeable plasma display to take full advantage of the graphics capabilities of the machine, users could be burning 1.4kWh of power per hour costing up to £1.19 for a five-hour session.

For us chaps in the US £1.19 = $2.30.... Well I know many people who play on their consoles 5+ hours EACH DAY.  In 22 days (basically 3 weeks) that would pay for a YEAR Xbox live subscription! So basically, if you are one of those people who are always on your gaming system, the costs will never even out. And after you add up your gaming times when you play Oblivion or GTAIV (because u know you'll be in those games for a combined 100hrs if you're really having fun) then let me know if you still want to use the associated cost comparison.

EDIT: A few people have referred me to this article which directly contradicts some of the power usage estimates referenced by the article this post references (which is referring to this link). I will definitely be looking further into these discrepancies and try to get to the facts. Findings will most likely be posted on my blog.

Also, several people have complained that I included the TV in the comparison. My rebuttal is simple, these are quotes from the article. However, further in the thread I do work out the math for the cost of JUST the PS3 to alleviate all the fanboys calling ME a fanboy :P So, if you want to know what it's going to cost you per hour, I think it works out to 17 pence (13 cents) per hour. But there is an actual post that steps through the math and figures it all for how much you might be spending per year. And even that little bit adds up to a chunk of change in the end.

Lastly, some questioned why I used a british article to discuss this. That answer is simple too. I just came across that article while browsing, and as I said I thought it was interesting. Hopefully now, some of the more repetitive items have been answered up front.

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#2 iammason
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i bet half the people in here are kids, so they don't have to worry about bills or anything. They just get their parents to do it.
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#3 Dreams-Visions
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ancient information. we know it consumes a lot of power. we were talking about this 2 years ago.
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#4 Vojkan80001
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This is funny! Whats next? PS3 breathing our air? LOL
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#5 Vojkan80001
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i bet half the people in here are kids, so they don't have to worry about bills or anything. They just get their parents to do it.iammason

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Yes, we know the architecture is sloppy and inefficient.
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#7 caje47
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By that logic, shouldn't you include the lightbulbs, since most people don't play in the dark? Then include the heat since most people play where it's nice and warm? Then why not include the speakers, since most people who have a decent plasma TV have surround sound?

See? Not very good logic, now is it?
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#8 hawkeye_12
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now, i'm only 14, but I have to admit that it is a hidden cost, but i can't imagine the 360 is the least power using console in the world either, but it scares me, considering in a few years I will have to limit myself greatly on how long i play games consoles...
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#9 klactose
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ancient information. we know it consumes a lot of power. we were talking about this 2 years ago.Dreams-Visions
Perhaps, but in those 2 years no one has ever explained it to those who keep chiming in with the xbox live subscription rant. Also I've never seen any link that detailed what the power consumption meant in real money. So I think this might clarify the situation a little better than just a vague statement like, "the ps3 has a larger power load" that many people won't equate to "the ps3 is costing me a significant amount of money every hour".
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#10 D0013ER
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High power consumption is a problem(ish?) with both PS3 and 360.
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#11 -supercharged-
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$2.30 for 5 hours? That's not that expensive..
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#12 Darth_Stalin
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I am 20 going to 21, and I don't have to pay power bills. Even at my apartment. I paid only one bill :D
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#13 klactose
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By that logic, shouldn't you include the lightbulbs, since most people don't play in the dark? Then include the heat since most people play where it's nice and warm? Then why not include the speakers, since most people who have a decent plasma TV have surround sound?

See? Not very good logic, now is it?
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Well you get to the heart of the matter of why I always said (including in this post) that the associated cost argument was dumb. So you my friend have earned a bronze star for comprehension, you would have gotten the gold if you would have made it evident that you understood that this was what my post is getting at.
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#14 iammason
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$2.30 for 5 hours? That's not that expensive.. -supercharged-
I'm sure it adds up. Lets say you play video games for 5 hours a day, maybe 5 days a week. $2.30 x 5 = $11.50/week Now assume you play every week like this $11.50 x 52 = $598/ year :|
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#15 klactose
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High power consumption is a problem(ish?) with both PS3 and 360.D0013ER
Perhaps, but as the article states the PS3's power supply is more than "twice as big" as the 360's. So if the 360 has a consumption problem, the PS3's is more than double that.
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#16 jdknight21
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Next gen gaming and television pushed my electric bill  up $70 a month.

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#17 klactose
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You guys that don't get the point of the post. I'm not bashing the PS3, I'm debunking the "associated cost" argument that alot of people use to validate their purchase of the PS3 over the 360. That is a bogus argument, and this information substantiates just how silly it is. People who buy the PS3 should just say that they bought it because they like the games/hardware, but should NEVER say because "it's really cheaper than the 360".
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#18 MGS9150
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Yes, we know the architecture is sloppy and inefficient.karicha9


Its not sloppy or inefficient, its just a very powerful machine. Many gaming Pcs  use up to 550kwh power supplies.
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#19 -supercharged-
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[QUOTE="-supercharged-"]$2.30 for 5 hours? That's not that expensive.. iammason
I'm sure it adds up. Lets say you play video games for 5 hours a day, maybe 5 days a week. $2.30 x 5 = $11.50/week Now assume you play every week like this $11.50 x 52 = $598/ year :|

That would be like 25 hours a week not even including weekends and when you got a job during the week it's kinda hard to devote 5 hours a day to gaming anyways. Portable gaming FTW? :D
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You guys that don't get the point of the post. I'm not bashing the PS3, I'm debunking the "associated cost" argument that alot of people use to validate their purchase of the PS3 over the 360. That is a bogus argument, and this information substantiates just how silly it is. People who buy the PS3 should just say that they bought it because they like the games/hardware, but should NEVER say because "it's really cheaper than the 360".klactose
You didn't mention the xbox360 power consumption at all. (Btw, could console pollution cause politics to harm gaming? Just wondering.)
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#21 Ontain
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i remember reading that the wii used some ridiculously low amount of watts.
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#22 -supercharged-
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You guys that don't get the point of the post. I'm not bashing the PS3, I'm debunking the "associated cost" argument that alot of people use to validate their purchase of the PS3 over the 360. That is a bogus argument, and this information substantiates just how silly it is. People who buy the PS3 should just say that they bought it because they like the games/hardware, but should NEVER say because "it's really cheaper than the 360".klactose
How much does it cost to play the 360 for 5 hours?
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#23 -supercharged-
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i remember reading that the wii used some ridiculously low amount of watts.Ontain
Ya it does... Nintendo wanted it to consume the lowest amount of watts possible..
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#25 DSgamer64
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380 watts is nothing. The average gaming computer uses a 500 watt PSU for high end graphics. Compare the number of PS3 owners to PC gamers and then maybe people will realise that the PS3 isnt nearly as much of a hog on electricity as gaming PC's are.
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#26 tcarruth
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You're not accounting for the fact that the 360 will be on more than the PS3 because it actually has games to play :) !!
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#27 klactose
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[QUOTE="klactose"]You guys that don't get the point of the post. I'm not bashing the PS3, I'm debunking the "associated cost" argument that alot of people use to validate their purchase of the PS3 over the 360. That is a bogus argument, and this information substantiates just how silly it is. People who buy the PS3 should just say that they bought it because they like the games/hardware, but should NEVER say because "it's really cheaper than the 360".KungfuKitten
You didn't mention the xbox360 power consumption at all. (Btw, could console pollution cause politics to harm gaming? Just wondering.)

I'm starting to believe that people just don't read... The 360's was mentioned in this post in several different ways, I'll repeat it though; according to the article it has a power supply of 165W. Concerning the politics of console pollution, it's really the politics of consumer electronics polution and yes there does need to be some better energy usage in most consumer electronics.
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#28 klactose
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You're not accounting for the fact that the 360 will be on more than the PS3 because it actually has games to play :) !!tcarruth
LOL
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[QUOTE="klactose"]You guys that don't get the point of the post. I'm not bashing the PS3, I'm debunking the "associated cost" argument that alot of people use to validate their purchase of the PS3 over the 360. That is a bogus argument, and this information substantiates just how silly it is. People who buy the PS3 should just say that they bought it because they like the games/hardware, but should NEVER say because "it's really cheaper than the 360".-supercharged-
How much does it cost to play the 360 for 5 hours?

A little less than half of what it cost to play the PS3.
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If you think PS3 uses the most energy, look at your home PCs, they take up more. Your heater/AC takes the most energy. gnutux
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#31 -supercharged-
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[QUOTE="-supercharged-"][QUOTE="klactose"]You guys that don't get the point of the post. I'm not bashing the PS3, I'm debunking the "associated cost" argument that alot of people use to validate their purchase of the PS3 over the 360. That is a bogus argument, and this information substantiates just how silly it is. People who buy the PS3 should just say that they bought it because they like the games/hardware, but should NEVER say because "it's really cheaper than the 360".klactose
How much does it cost to play the 360 for 5 hours?

A little less than half of what it cost to play the PS3.

Nice :D
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#32 klactose
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[QUOTE="gnutux"]If you think PS3 uses the most energy, look at your home PCs, they take up more. Your heater/AC takes the most energy. gnutux

Oh yeah I agree, Gaming PCs use much more (as many people have already pointed out). But again, that's not really what I'm debating. At any rate, I don't think we need to bring the heater/AC into the discussion at all. :)
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the ps3 does take a lot of energy and is costly, but they are moving to a 65mm "cell" which SHOULD reduce power consumption....

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#34 warmaster670
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power supply number =/= number of watts used
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It is so sad that critics have to resort to slamming a console's power consumption. Perhaps we can compare and contrast which company's manufacturing process provides for the least amount of gas emissions next?
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#36 klactose
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power supply number =/= number of watts usedwarmaster670
True it just means the max wattage that the power supply can sustain... but in home electronics they usually do have a correlation. Manufacturers like to get the power supply fairly close to the actual usage requirements.
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I've seen the power consumption values and whilst the PS3 is extremely high compared to the Wii, so is the Xbox 360 theres only 2W difference which means that if you leave both consoles on for 24hours non stop youll only be paying a 5p difference.
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#38 klactose
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It is so sad that critics have to resort to slamming a console's power consumption. Perhaps we can compare and contrast which company's manufacturing process provides for the least amount of gas emissions next?asmallchild

Well the press' duty is to inform the public. I'm never mad about any information I learn via the press. I'm just made when I don't hear news that I should have been told!

Edit: Well I get pretty ticked when the information is incorrect too! :o

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[QUOTE="asmallchild"]It is so sad that critics have to resort to slamming a console's power consumption. Perhaps we can compare and contrast which company's manufacturing process provides for the least amount of gas emissions next?

People already do that :|
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It is so sad that critics have to resort to slamming a console's power consumption. Perhaps we can compare and contrast which company's manufacturing process provides for the least amount of gas emissions next?asmallchild

Its only in response to the nutters that are harping on about the cost of XBlive. Every penny of which the PS3 crowd would gladly pay for to get a similar service... oh the hypocrisy!

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Not sure if this has already been discussed but I hadn't seen it posted yet. Anyway, it brought some information that I didn't know to light. And I thought it was pretty interesting given how a lot of people use associated cost as a factor in determining the "price" of a system (I can't tell you how many threads I've read saying that the 360 actually costs the same as or even more than a PS3, because in 4 years a gold subscription to xbox live will add $200 more dollars to the console price). Now I always thought that was a dumb comparision, but many support the logic in it.

Well for those who believe in that kind of comparison, what do you have to say about this?

[Quote=""]

The site warns that the US version of the PlayStation 3 comes with a sizeable 380W power supply, which is over twice as big as its main competitor, Microsoft's Xbox 360 at 165W, and over seven times more power hungry than the PlayStation 2.

If a user combines a PS3 with a sizeable plasma display to take full advantage of the graphics capabilities of the machine, users could be burning 1.4kWh of power per hour costing up to £1.19 for a five-hour session.klactose

For us chaps in the US £1.19 = $2.30.... Well I know many people who play on their consoles 5+ hours EACH DAY. In 22 days (basically 3 weeks) that would pay for a YEAR Xbox live subscription! So basically, if you are one of those people who are always on your gaming system, the costs will never even out. And after you add up your gaming times when you play Oblivion or GTAIV (because u know you'll be in those games for a combined 100hrs if you're really having fun) then let me know if you still want to use the associated cost comparison.

And people wonder why I purchased a wii ?!
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#42 klactose
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I've seen the power consumption values and whilst the PS3 is extremely high compared to the Wii, so is the Xbox 360 theres only 2W difference which means that if you leave both consoles on for 24hours non stop youll only be paying a 5p difference.meischris39
You know that, since the Ps3's powersupply is at 380W, you are saying that Sony built 213 watts of headroom into it? That is the only way that your numbers could add up to a 2W difference seeing as the 360's power supply can't produce more than 165W (according to the article). By the way that would also be saying that the 360s power supply was designed for the exact power requirements of the system (which though is usually close, they do like to build in some headroom)
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#43 asmallchild
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[QUOTE="-supercharged-"][QUOTE="asmallchild"]It is so sad that critics have to resort to slamming a console's power consumption. Perhaps we can compare and contrast which company's manufacturing process provides for the least amount of gas emissions next?

People already do that :|

Show me one console review that uses that point to compare and contrast the systems.
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#44 klactose
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[QUOTE="asmallchild"][QUOTE="-supercharged-"][QUOTE="asmallchild"]It is so sad that critics have to resort to slamming a console's power consumption. Perhaps we can compare and contrast which company's manufacturing process provides for the least amount of gas emissions next?

People already do that :|

Show me one console review that uses that point to compare and contrast the systems.

I've seen PSUs compared before... not sure which sites.. but usually the more technical ones. Anyway, once again, that isn't the purpose of what I posted.
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@ OP- please ignore some of the 'wise guys'. I think your Post has highlighted a hidden cost of these consoles. The Xbox 360 consumes quite a lot of electricity- the PS3 even more so. many ppl wont realise this. on the plus side however the CPUs & GPUs of newer versions of the consoles usually get made smaller & reduce power. so while the old versions of the consoles will guzzle electricity if u hold off & buy one of the later models you'll actually not only save on price but save on power too.
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Al Gore says NO!!






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[QUOTE="Ontain"]i remember reading that the wii used some ridiculously low amount of watts.-supercharged-
Ya it does... Nintendo wanted it to consume the lowest amount of watts possible..

so they wanted it to be weak.
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#49 klactose
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[QUOTE="CwlHeddwyn"]@ OP- please ignore some of the 'wise guys'. I think your Post has highlighted a hidden cost of these consoles. The Xbox 360 consumes quite a lot of electricity- the PS3 even more so. many ppl wont realise this. on the plus side however the CPUs & GPUs of newer versions of the consoles usually get made smaller & reduce power. so while the old versions of the consoles will guzzle electricity if u hold off & buy one of the later models you'll actually not only save on price but save on power too.

Thank you. And you make a good point, both manufacturers have plans to switch to 65nm architecture. Should shave some of those electrical bills down! :)
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#50 ByLaw1
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By that logic, shouldn't you include the lightbulbs, since most people don't play in the dark? Then include the heat since most people play where it's nice and warm? Then why not include the speakers, since most people who have a decent plasma TV have surround sound?

See? Not very good logic, now is it?
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Yes actually - it is. Your logic fails, however, because your costs are a constant for all systems - lights, heat, speakers. All users will use exactly the same amount. Therefore, those costs can be eliminated from the question. However, his point is that the power consumption costs of the CONSOLE ITSELF are not constant, and higher for the PS3, which is true. So his logic works. Yours does not. Nice try.