PS3 will have some great games that many will never get 2 play... kinda sad

PS3 could have been so great, but it will likely enjoy the same fate as Dreamcast in that it will not be a commercially successful console, but with some great titles that not many got the chance to play.

Sadly, this console will never be able to live up to its potential as it came out of the gate far too slow, with too much critisism, and too expensive to capture the publics eye -- and now devs and the public are starting to look elsewhere. It's a shame really, some of the games I've seen on the PS3 are blowing away anything I've seen on the 360.

               I was with you up until you're last sentence - care to name those games that blow away the best on 360? ;)SecretPolice

PS3 could have been so great, but it will likely enjoy the same fate as Dreamcast in that it will not be a commercially successful console, but with some great titles that not many got the chance to play.

Sadly, this console will never be able to live up to its potential as it came out of the gate far too slow, with too much critisism, and too expensive to capture the publics eye -- and now devs and the public are starting to look elsewhere. It's a shame really, some of the games I've seen on the PS3 are blowing away anything I've seen on the 360.

jedigemini

And just because you can't buy it or because it's 599$ doesn't mean it's doomed to failure and will end up as a dreamcast.  

ps3 is selling better then the xbox360 in its first 6 months after launch

means the xbox360 is the first dreamcast right ? 

Thisis an interesting thread because it appears to be positive but ultimately it passively puts down the PS3 by mentioning sales.

Any time Sony gets good news people are just going to point at the sales and move right along.

Good games are good games, if the PS3 gets a library worthy of a console purchase nothing should ever put that down, not even price.

[QUOTE="jedigemini"]

PS3 could have been so great, but it will likely enjoy the same fate as Dreamcast in that it will not be a commercially successful console, but with some great titles that not many got the chance to play.

Sadly, this console will never be able to live up to its potential as it came out of the gate far too slow, with too much critisism, and too expensive to capture the publics eye -- and now devs and the public are starting to look elsewhere. It's a shame really, some of the games I've seen on the PS3 are blowing away anything I've seen on the 360.

SpecialForcesOp

And just because you can't buy it or because it's 599$ doesn't mean it's doomed to failure and will end up as a dreamcast.  

Damage control much? Obviously from all the great vids floating around devs are still paying very much attention to Sony's console.

And it's still coming out of the gates MUCH faster than Microsoft's console did with more titles that the media is looking forward to than any other console this year. All while managing to keep the sales at a steady pace despite the lofty price. Most are predicting the PS3 to take the lead by late 2008.... which means you are likely to be one of the only FEW that will never get to play the games.

[QUOTE="SpecialForcesOp"][QUOTE="jedigemini"]

PS3 could have been so great, but it will likely enjoy the same fate as Dreamcast in that it will not be a commercially successful console, but with some great titles that not many got the chance to play.

Sadly, this console will never be able to live up to its potential as it came out of the gate far too slow, with too much critisism, and too expensive to capture the publics eye -- and now devs and the public are starting to look elsewhere. It's a shame really, some of the games I've seen on the PS3 are blowing away anything I've seen on the 360.

jedigemini

And just because you can't buy it or because it's 599$ doesn't mean it's doomed to failure and will end up as a dreamcast.

yes you are right the ps3 will stay 600 dollars for the next 10 years common sense.... :roll:

Damage control much? Obviously from all the great vids floating around devs are still paying very much attention to Sony's console.

And it's still coming out of the gates MUCH faster than Microsoft's console did with more titles that the media is looking forward to than any other console this year. All while managing to keep the sales at a steady pace despite the lofty price. Most are predicting the PS3 to take the lead by late 2008.... which means you are likely to be one of the only FEW that will never get to play the games.

Sgt_Hale

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]               I was with you up until you're last sentence - care to name those games that blow away the best on 360? ;)jedigemini

[QUOTE="SpecialForcesOp"][QUOTE="jedigemini"]

PS3 could have been so great, but it will likely enjoy the same fate as Dreamcast in that it will not be a commercially successful console, but with some great titles that not many got the chance to play.

Sadly, this console will never be able to live up to its potential as it came out of the gate far too slow, with too much critisism, and too expensive to capture the publics eye -- and now devs and the public are starting to look elsewhere. It's a shame really, some of the games I've seen on the PS3 are blowing away anything I've seen on the 360.

jedigemini

And just because you can't buy it or because it's 599$ doesn't mean it's doomed to failure and will end up as a dreamcast.  

Actually, over 3M ppl in 6 months is not a bad sign for one.... the Wii is the only console to EVER do better. Number two, Sony already knows they have to address the price to pick up more sales and had already planned for rapid price drops as the technology permits (per a gamesindustry.biz article). It's not goint to be $599 forever. It NEVER has to be cheaper than a 360 b/c a lot of ppl already perceive it to have more value... as soon as it drops to around $450 sales will jump b/c a lot ppl want it and are only being held off by the price.

[QUOTE="jedigemini"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"]               I was with you up until you're last sentence - care to name those games that blow away the best on 360? ;)SecretPolice

HS, LAIR, & Rachet and Clank all look better than those games. I don't think Uncharted looks better than Gears (everything on the PS3 right now looks better than Kameo) but it does look funner than anything on the 360 right now.

PS3 could have been so great, but it will likely enjoy the same fate as Dreamcast in that it will not be a commercially successful console, but with some great titles that not many got the chance to play.

Sadly, this console will never be able to live up to its potential as it came out of the gate far too slow, with too much critisism, and too expensive to capture the publics eye -- and now devs and the public are starting to look elsewhere. It's a shame really, some of the games I've seen on the PS3 are blowing away anything I've seen on the 360.

jedigemini

If you dont get to enjoy the games on the PS3 its not because its gonna fail but because you are to biased to admit its a good system.  The system is selling fine in all regions and has already shipped 5.5 million and last march using the NPD numbers for Japan and U.S. it outsold the 360. 

This is all being done while the PS3 only has a handful of multiplats and two new IPs to carry it, while its competition has a years worth of games including one if its BIGGEST hits since Halo (GEOW).  And even with all this against it is its holding its own very well.  Whats gonna help Sony and hurt MS is the fact the PS3 sells well in all regions while the 360 is mainly dependant on one regions worth of sales.  The PS3 will be more then fine, it wont enjoy PS2 domination in the least but will sell very well overall and have plenty of solid games for its fans so when PS2 fans decide to upgrade the PS3 will be cheaper and ready for them. 

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"][QUOTE="jedigemini"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"] I was with you up until you're last sentence - care to name those games that blow away the best on 360? ;)Sgt_Hale

HS, LAIR, & Rachet and Clank all look better than those games. I don't think Uncharted looks better than Gears (everything on the PS3 right now looks better than Kameo) but it does look funner than anything on the 360 right now.

Have you even played Kameo in HD? Obviously not, it looks incredible. 

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"][QUOTE="jedigemini"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"]               I was with you up until you're last sentence - care to name those games that blow away the best on 360? ;)Sgt_Hale

HS, LAIR, & Rachet and Clank all look better than those games. I don't think Uncharted looks better than Gears (everything on the PS3 right now looks better than Kameo) but it does look funner than anything on the 360 right now.

[QUOTE="SpecialForcesOp"][QUOTE="jedigemini"]

PS3 could have been so great, but it will likely enjoy the same fate as Dreamcast in that it will not be a commercially successful console, but with some great titles that not many got the chance to play.

Sadly, this console will never be able to live up to its potential as it came out of the gate far too slow, with too much critisism, and too expensive to capture the publics eye -- and now devs and the public are starting to look elsewhere. It's a shame really, some of the games I've seen on the PS3 are blowing away anything I've seen on the 360.

jedigemini

And just because you can't buy it or because it's 599$ doesn't mean it's doomed to failure and will end up as a dreamcast.

You said it has great games. PS3 has been out for 6 months.

Casuals don't buy consoles until 2-3 years later of it's launch.

Which it will have the inevitable Price drop.  

[QUOTE="Sgt_Hale"]

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"][QUOTE="jedigemini"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"]               I was with you up until you're last sentence - care to name those games that blow away the best on 360? ;)SecretPolice

HS, LAIR, & Rachet and Clank all look better than those games. I don't think Uncharted looks better than Gears (everything on the PS3 right now looks better than Kameo) but it does look funner than anything on the 360 right now.

Lol, that's not even an opinion... that's just blindness. I had Kameo... it doesn't even come close to the vids for R&C and the game isn't even finished yet!

[QUOTE="Sgt_Hale"]

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"][QUOTE="jedigemini"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"] I was with you up until you're last sentence - care to name those games that blow away the best on 360? ;)jfkunrendered

HS, LAIR, & Rachet and Clank all look better than those games. I don't think Uncharted looks better than Gears (everything on the PS3 right now looks better than Kameo) but it does look funner than anything on the 360 right now.

Have you even played Kameo in HD? Obviously not, it looks incredible. 

[QUOTE="jedigemini"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"]               I was with you up until you're last sentence - care to name those games that blow away the best on 360? ;)SecretPolice

i agree with the post above. but anyway, if those games look better than the best of 360's, i wonder if they play better? i mean, the over-all experience of these games as compared to that of the 360's.

[QUOTE="jedigemini"][QUOTE="SpecialForcesOp"][QUOTE="jedigemini"]

PS3 could have been so great, but it will likely enjoy the same fate as Dreamcast in that it will not be a commercially successful console, but with some great titles that not many got the chance to play.

Sadly, this console will never be able to live up to its potential as it came out of the gate far too slow, with too much critisism, and too expensive to capture the publics eye -- and now devs and the public are starting to look elsewhere. It's a shame really, some of the games I've seen on the PS3 are blowing away anything I've seen on the 360.

SpecialForcesOp

And just because you can't buy it or because it's 599$ doesn't mean it's doomed to failure and will end up as a dreamcast.

You said it has great games. PS3 has been out for 6 months.

Casuals don't buy consoles until 2-3 years later of it's launch.

Which it will have the inevitable Price drop.  

[QUOTE="SpecialForcesOp"][QUOTE="jedigemini"][QUOTE="SpecialForcesOp"][QUOTE="jedigemini"]

PS3 could have been so great, but it will likely enjoy the same fate as Dreamcast in that it will not be a commercially successful console, but with some great titles that not many got the chance to play.

Sadly, this console will never be able to live up to its potential as it came out of the gate far too slow, with too much critisism, and too expensive to capture the publics eye -- and now devs and the public are starting to look elsewhere. It's a shame really, some of the games I've seen on the PS3 are blowing away anything I've seen on the 360.

jedigemini

And just because you can't buy it or because it's 599$ doesn't mean it's doomed to failure and will end up as a dreamcast.

You said it has great games. PS3 has been out for 6 months.

Casuals don't buy consoles until 2-3 years later of it's launch.

Which it will have the inevitable Price drop.  

Once again that is false. The PS3 is increasing in public perception, receiving more good news from the press and gaming media, and was even ranked the #1 most wanted gadget on cnet.com. It is picking up more exclusives faster than it loses any and still has the major franchises that drove the popularity of the PS2. We are hearing more & more developers praise the system as they begin to understand how to better take advantage of the hardware. AND every major report that has come out predicts the PS3 as the winner this gen although by a lot smaller margin that last gen... The PS3 is going to be A Okay.

LOL, it's on the same track as X360 for the first 5 months.  Just because Wii is kicking everyone in the teeth doesn't mean it will end up like dreamcast.

Wait until the games come and the price drop this year. 

Then you can start comparing Dreamcast to it, until then it's unwarranted. 

[QUOTE="jfkunrendered"][QUOTE="Sgt_Hale"]

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"][QUOTE="jedigemini"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"] I was with you up until you're last sentence - care to name those games that blow away the best on 360? ;)Javy03

HS, LAIR, & Rachet and Clank all look better than those games. I don't think Uncharted looks better than Gears (everything on the PS3 right now looks better than Kameo) but it does look funner than anything on the 360 right now.

Have you even played Kameo in HD? Obviously not, it looks incredible. 

Yes, I have two 32" HDTV's and  a 42" HDTV. It was a nice game for the introduction of HD gaming but really does not compare to R&C. Have you ever looked at a game w/o fanboy bias? Obviously not, b/c R&C looks much more incredible. It's also obvious that you haven't had the pleasure of actually d/l the trailer onto you PS3 to watch it on your HDTV b/c it looks even better on your tv than it does in the vids... Kameo wasn't nearly as mind blowing.

PS3 could have been so great, but it will likely enjoy the same fate as Dreamcast in that it will not be a commercially successful console, but with some great titles that not many got the chance to play.

Sadly, this console will never be able to live up to its potential as it came out of the gate far too slow, with too much critisism, and too expensive to capture the publics eye -- and now devs and the public are starting to look elsewhere. It's a shame really, some of the games I've seen on the PS3 are blowing away anything I've seen on the 360.

jedigemini

LOL, it's on the same track as X360 for the first 5 months.  Just because Wii is kicking everyone in the teeth doesn't mean it will end up like dreamcast.

Wait until the games come and the price drop this year. 

Then you can start comparing Dreamcast to it, until then it's unwarranted. 

darthogre

that is bad...

think of all the millions wasted by developers...

terrible

quote: The PS3 IS A BETTER DEAL IN THE LONG RUN....period 

            Only way for that to be true is if like me, you wait for a $200.00 price drop - nuf said ;)

A little early too be digging graves, ya think? Give it at least a year, bud. Even considering the current huge quarterly losses....the PS3 is not about to go anywhere. It has only been out six months, and has not even had a chance to show what it can really do yet, and people are already prematurely, and ignorantly saying that it is dead, lol. Give me a break man.

All of this negativity torward the PS3 has sadly become nothing more than a fanboy trend. "Everybody else is bashing it, so let's join the gang!" Sure, Sony made some mistakes, but you think that Microsoft has ran a straight operation? Hell, the 360 has been out nearly 2 years now, and it's STILL the most SHODDY console on the market. It might red ring you if you look at it wrong it is so poorly made.

Do not get me wrong, I own, and love the 360 as well, but it is a piece of sh!t, man. Great game library....yes indeed. But the hardware SUCKS. In my opinion, this should be the obvious, and viable target for so called "bashing", as what good is a killer game library on a part time console? You can pile all of the gold you want on a turd, but it still will be a TURD all the same. Not to even mention all of the "options" that they give you via add ons in order to try and milk the hell out of their customers.

All of these things that Microsoft are getting away with, and people just ignore them because of games like Gears of War, and it makes me sick. Every GOOD thing that Sony tries to do, like free online, Home, working as hard as they can to get some great games out, ect. is automatically shot down in flames because some gamers are just bitter that it is 600.00, and because Sony is getting a late start with the software. Nevermind the fact that it is a damn fine piece of hardware that is RELIABLE....making it a great LONG TERM INVESTMENT to play games on, and watch HD blu-ray movies on for the LONG HAUL OF THE NEXT FEW YEARS.

People always ignore the good in favor of the negatives, but with Microsoft, it seems it is the opposite because they finally got a few good games. Not hardly right, nor fair. Even though the hardware is still as shoddy as ever, people ignore it because they have a good library. They look over the fact that hordes of people are already on their 3rd, 4th and even 5th 360s just because the games are good. Why not slack up on Sony already, at least give them the benefit of the doubt here, and give them a little longer than 6 months to show what the PS3 can do by releasing some great games on a RELIABLE console that will not lemon out on you at any given moment, making you go through 2, 3 or more of them before the end of the generation? LONG TERM INVESTMENT, folks.

At $600.00, when looked at from a long term perspective, the reliability of the PS3, prospective GREAT looking future line-up of games, HD blu-ray player included, free online....how is it not easily worth the years of entertainment that you will get out of it? Consider the 360 at $399.00 after your warranty runs out. What is it....nearly 200.00 bones to get it fixed if it red rings on you? If you want an HD DVD add on, that is 200.00 more bucks. Let's see here, 50.00 a year for XBL. Hell, hey even charge 180.00 for their new 120GB HD, if you decided to pick one up for your premium. Man, that sure does add up, does it not....and on a console that is a PROVEN piece of sh!t hardware wise? HMMMMM. 

Maybe you guys are bashing the wrong company here. 600.00 for a PS3 is more than reasonable when looked at from a future standpoint that is weighed with reliablity, features, great future game line-up, free online, and INCLUDED hardware that the PS3 comes with straight out of the box....no extra milkage. Just try looking at it from that perspective, and it should make sense. The PS3 bashing has gone on for FAR too long, and is on overkill so hard, it is not even funny. I own, and love the 360, as well, but facts are facts. The PS3 IS A BETTER DEAL IN THE LONG RUN....period.

Of course it will all come down to personal preference in games though, and that is why I had to have both, as they actually complement each other, and both will have their own great line-up of exclusives that deserve credit where credit is due, but imo, the PS3 is indeed the better long term deal, and choice by far.....for very obvious reasons that I outlined above. 

ironcreed

*stands up and claps*

[QUOTE="jedigemini"][QUOTE="SpecialForcesOp"][QUOTE="jedigemini"]

PS3 could have been so great, but it will likely enjoy the same fate as Dreamcast in that it will not be a commercially successful console, but with some great titles that not many got the chance to play.

Sadly, this console will never be able to live up to its potential as it came out of the gate far too slow, with too much critisism, and too expensive to capture the publics eye -- and now devs and the public are starting to look elsewhere. It's a shame really, some of the games I've seen on the PS3 are blowing away anything I've seen on the 360.

SpecialForcesOp

And just because you can't buy it or because it's 599$ doesn't mean it's doomed to failure and will end up as a dreamcast.

You said it has great games. PS3 has been out for 6 months.

Casuals don't buy consoles until 2-3 years later of it's launch.

Which it will have the inevitable Price drop.

but when they do they buy the most popular one. the ps3 will not have the most marketshare in 2-3 years at this rate or even a little higher rate. 

A little early too be digging graves, ya think? Give it at least a year, bud. Even considering the current huge quarterly losses....the PS3 is not about to go anywhere. It has only been out six months, and has not even had a chance to show what it can really do yet, and people are already prematurely, and ignorantly saying that it is dead, lol. Give me a break man.

All of this negativity torward the PS3 has sadly become nothing more than a fanboy trend. "Everybody else is bashing it, so let's join the gang!" Sure, Sony made some mistakes, but you think that Microsoft has ran a straight operation? Hell, the 360 has been out nearly 2 years now, and it's STILL the most SHODDY console on the market. It might red ring you if you look at it wrong it is so poorly made.

Do not get me wrong, I own, and love the 360 as well, but it is a piece of sh!t, man. Great game library....yes indeed. But the hardware SUCKS. In my opinion, this should be the obvious, and viable target for so called "bashing", as what good is a killer game library on a part time console? You can pile all of the gold you want on a turd, but it still will be a TURD all the same. Not to even mention all of the "options" that they give you via add ons in order to try and milk the hell out of their customers.

All of these things that Microsoft are getting away with, and people just ignore them because of games like Gears of War, and it makes me sick. Every GOOD thing that Sony tries to do, like free online, Home, working as hard as they can to get some great games out, ect. is automatically shot down in flames because some gamers are just bitter that it is 600.00, and because Sony is getting a late start with the software. Nevermind the fact that it is a damn fine piece of hardware that is RELIABLE....making it a great LONG TERM INVESTMENT to play games on, and watch HD blu-ray movies on for the LONG HAUL OF THE NEXT FEW YEARS.

People always ignore the good in favor of the negatives, but with Microsoft, it seems it is the opposite because they finally got a few good games. Not hardly right, nor fair. Even though the hardware is still as shoddy as ever, people ignore it because they have a good library. They look over the fact that hordes of people are already on their 3rd, 4th and even 5th 360s just because the games are good. Why not slack up on Sony already, at least give them the benefit of the doubt here, and give them a little longer than 6 months to show what the PS3 can do by releasing some great games on a RELIABLE console that will not lemon out on you at any given moment, making you go through 2, 3 or more of them before the end of the generation? LONG TERM INVESTMENT, folks.

At $600.00, when looked at from a long term perspective, the reliability of the PS3, prospective GREAT looking future line-up of games, HD blu-ray player included, free online....how is it not easily worth the years of entertainment that you will get out of it? Consider the 360 at $399.00 after your warranty runs out. What is it....nearly 200.00 bones to get it fixed if it red rings on you? If you want an HD DVD add on, that is 200.00 more bucks. Let's see here, 50.00 a year for XBL. Hell, hey even charge 180.00 for their new 120GB HD, if you decided to pick one up for your premium. Man, that sure does add up, does it not....and on a console that is a PROVEN piece of sh!t hardware wise? HMMMMM. 

Maybe you guys are bashing the wrong company here. 600.00 for a PS3 is more than reasonable when looked at from a future standpoint that is weighed with reliablity, features, great future game line-up, free online, and INCLUDED hardware that the PS3 comes with straight out of the box....no extra milkage. Just try looking at it from that perspective, and it should make sense. The PS3 bashing has gone on for FAR too long, and is on overkill so hard, it is not even funny. I own, and love the 360, as well, but facts are facts. The PS3 IS A BETTER DEAL IN THE LONG RUN....period.

Of course it will all come down to personal preference in games though, and that is why I had to have both, as they actually complement each other, and both will have their own great line-up of exclusives that deserve credit where credit is due, but imo, the PS3 is indeed the better long term deal, and choice by far.....for very obvious reasons that I outlined above. 

ironcreed

if the ps3 was truly a better deal in the longrun, sony wouldn't be predicting even MORE losses with the ps3

http://www.chippewa.com/articles/2007/05/17/ap/hitech/d8p64pi80.txt

i'm sorry, but your comment about it being a better deal and the rest of your post, reeks of sony fanboyism...

A little early too be digging graves, ya think? Give it at least a year, bud. Even considering the current huge quarterly losses....the PS3 is not about to go anywhere. It has only been out six months, and has not even had a chance to show what it can really do yet, and people are already prematurely, and ignorantly saying that it is dead, lol. Give me a break man.

All of this negativity torward the PS3 has sadly become nothing more than a fanboy trend. "Everybody else is bashing it, so let's join the gang!" Sure, Sony made some mistakes, but you think that Microsoft has ran a straight operation? Hell, the 360 has been out nearly 2 years now, and it's STILL the most SHODDY console on the market. It might red ring you if you look at it wrong it is so poorly made.

Do not get me wrong, I own, and love the 360 as well, but it is a piece of sh!t, man. Great game library....yes indeed. But the hardware SUCKS. In my opinion, this should be the obvious, and viable target for so called "bashing", as what good is a killer game library on a part time console? You can pile all of the gold you want on a turd, but it still will be a TURD all the same. Not to even mention all of the "options" that they give you via add ons in order to try and milk the hell out of their customers.

All of these things that Microsoft are getting away with, and people just ignore them because of games like Gears of War, and it makes me sick. Every GOOD thing that Sony tries to do, like free online, Home, working as hard as they can to get some great games out, ect. is automatically shot down in flames because some gamers are just bitter that it is 600.00, and because Sony is getting a late start with the software. Nevermind the fact that it is a damn fine piece of hardware that is RELIABLE....making it a great LONG TERM INVESTMENT to play games on, and watch HD blu-ray movies on for the LONG HAUL OF THE NEXT FEW YEARS.

People always ignore the good in favor of the negatives, but with Microsoft, it seems it is the opposite because they finally got a few good games. Not hardly right, nor fair. Even though the hardware is still as shoddy as ever, people ignore it because they have a good library. They look over the fact that hordes of people are already on their 3rd, 4th and even 5th 360s just because the games are good. Why not slack up on Sony already, at least give them the benefit of the doubt here, and give them a little longer than 6 months to show what the PS3 can do by releasing some great games on a RELIABLE console that will not lemon out on you at any given moment, making you go through 2, 3 or more of them before the end of the generation? LONG TERM INVESTMENT, folks.

At $600.00, when looked at from a long term perspective, the reliability of the PS3, prospective GREAT looking future line-up of games, HD blu-ray player included, free online....how is it not easily worth the years of entertainment that you will get out of it? Consider the 360 at $399.00 after your warranty runs out. What is it....nearly 200.00 bones to get it fixed if it red rings on you? If you want an HD DVD add on, that is 200.00 more bucks. Let's see here, 50.00 a year for XBL. Hell, hey even charge 180.00 for their new 120GB HD, if you decided to pick one up for your premium. Man, that sure does add up, does it not....and on a console that is a PROVEN piece of sh!t hardware wise? HMMMMM.

Maybe you guys are bashing the wrong company here. 600.00 for a PS3 is more than reasonable when looked at from a future standpoint that is weighed with reliablity, features, great future game line-up, free online, and INCLUDED hardware that the PS3 comes with straight out of the box....no extra milkage. Just try looking at it from that perspective, and it should make sense. The PS3 bashing has gone on for FAR too long, and is on overkill so hard, it is not even funny. I own, and love the 360, as well, but facts are facts. The PS3 IS A BETTER DEAL IN THE LONG RUN....period.

Of course it will all come down to personal preference in games though, and that is why I had to have both, as they actually complement each other, and both will have their own great line-up of exclusives that deserve credit where credit is due, but imo, the PS3 is indeed the better long term deal, and choice by far.....for very obvious reasons that I outlined above.

ironcreed

you shouldnt write this down it makes to much sense for sw people...

[QUOTE="ironcreed"]

A little early too be digging graves, ya think? Give it at least a year, bud. Even considering the current huge quarterly losses....the PS3 is not about to go anywhere. It has only been out six months, and has not even had a chance to show what it can really do yet, and people are already prematurely, and ignorantly saying that it is dead, lol. Give me a break man.

All of this negativity torward the PS3 has sadly become nothing more than a fanboy trend. "Everybody else is bashing it, so let's join the gang!" Sure, Sony made some mistakes, but you think that Microsoft has ran a straight operation? Hell, the 360 has been out nearly 2 years now, and it's STILL the most SHODDY console on the market. It might red ring you if you look at it wrong it is so poorly made.

Do not get me wrong, I own, and love the 360 as well, but it is a piece of sh!t, man. Great game library....yes indeed. But the hardware SUCKS. In my opinion, this should be the obvious, and viable target for so called "bashing", as what good is a killer game library on a part time console? You can pile all of the gold you want on a turd, but it still will be a TURD all the same. Not to even mention all of the "options" that they give you via add ons in order to try and milk the hell out of their customers.

All of these things that Microsoft are getting away with, and people just ignore them because of games like Gears of War, and it makes me sick. Every GOOD thing that Sony tries to do, like free online, Home, working as hard as they can to get some great games out, ect. is automatically shot down in flames because some gamers are just bitter that it is 600.00, and because Sony is getting a late start with the software. Nevermind the fact that it is a damn fine piece of hardware that is RELIABLE....making it a great LONG TERM INVESTMENT to play games on, and watch HD blu-ray movies on for the LONG HAUL OF THE NEXT FEW YEARS.

People always ignore the good in favor of the negatives, but with Microsoft, it seems it is the opposite because they finally got a few good games. Not hardly right, nor fair. Even though the hardware is still as shoddy as ever, people ignore it because they have a good library. They look over the fact that hordes of people are already on their 3rd, 4th and even 5th 360s just because the games are good. Why not slack up on Sony already, at least give them the benefit of the doubt here, and give them a little longer than 6 months to show what the PS3 can do by releasing some great games on a RELIABLE console that will not lemon out on you at any given moment, making you go through 2, 3 or more of them before the end of the generation? LONG TERM INVESTMENT, folks.

At $600.00, when looked at from a long term perspective, the reliability of the PS3, prospective GREAT looking future line-up of games, HD blu-ray player included, free online....how is it not easily worth the years of entertainment that you will get out of it? Consider the 360 at $399.00 after your warranty runs out. What is it....nearly 200.00 bones to get it fixed if it red rings on you? If you want an HD DVD add on, that is 200.00 more bucks. Let's see here, 50.00 a year for XBL. Hell, hey even charge 180.00 for their new 120GB HD, if you decided to pick one up for your premium. Man, that sure does add up, does it not....and on a console that is a PROVEN piece of sh!t hardware wise? HMMMMM.

Maybe you guys are bashing the wrong company here. 600.00 for a PS3 is more than reasonable when looked at from a future standpoint that is weighed with reliablity, features, great future game line-up, free online, and INCLUDED hardware that the PS3 comes with straight out of the box....no extra milkage. Just try looking at it from that perspective, and it should make sense. The PS3 bashing has gone on for FAR too long, and is on overkill so hard, it is not even funny. I own, and love the 360, as well, but facts are facts. The PS3 IS A BETTER DEAL IN THE LONG RUN....period.

Of course it will all come down to personal preference in games though, and that is why I had to have both, as they actually complement each other, and both will have their own great line-up of exclusives that deserve credit where credit is due, but imo, the PS3 is indeed the better long term deal, and choice by far.....for very obvious reasons that I outlined above.

legalize3

you shouldnt write this down it makes to much sense for sw people...

we've all already read this;  this is just the long verion of the "just wait" mentality...

given sony's history of failing to deliver on their promises, it looks to be another fruitless waiting game...

$600 is too much for "potential".

ps3 is selling better then the xbox360 in its first 6 months after launch

means the xbox360 is the first dreamcast right ?

legalize3

Which means nothing because the 360 is outselling the PS3 right now. Even if the PS3 has a better second year then the 360's 2nd year if PS3 doesn't outsell 360 it doesn't matter. PS3 isn't competting against the PS1,PS2, or 360 first year sales its competiting against 1st year Wii and 2nd year 360. 

[QUOTE="ironcreed"]

A little early too be digging graves, ya think? Give it at least a year, bud. Even considering the current huge quarterly losses....the PS3 is not about to go anywhere. It has only been out six months, and has not even had a chance to show what it can really do yet, and people are already prematurely, and ignorantly saying that it is dead, lol. Give me a break man.

All of this negativity torward the PS3 has sadly become nothing more than a fanboy trend. "Everybody else is bashing it, so let's join the gang!" Sure, Sony made some mistakes, but you think that Microsoft has ran a straight operation? Hell, the 360 has been out nearly 2 years now, and it's STILL the most SHODDY console on the market. It might red ring you if you look at it wrong it is so poorly made.

Do not get me wrong, I own, and love the 360 as well, but it is a piece of sh!t, man. Great game library....yes indeed. But the hardware SUCKS. In my opinion, this should be the obvious, and viable target for so called "bashing", as what good is a killer game library on a part time console? You can pile all of the gold you want on a turd, but it still will be a TURD all the same. Not to even mention all of the "options" that they give you via add ons in order to try and milk the hell out of their customers.

All of these things that Microsoft are getting away with, and people just ignore them because of games like Gears of War, and it makes me sick. Every GOOD thing that Sony tries to do, like free online, Home, working as hard as they can to get some great games out, ect. is automatically shot down in flames because some gamers are just bitter that it is 600.00, and because Sony is getting a late start with the software. Nevermind the fact that it is a damn fine piece of hardware that is RELIABLE....making it a great LONG TERM INVESTMENT to play games on, and watch HD blu-ray movies on for the LONG HAUL OF THE NEXT FEW YEARS.

People always ignore the good in favor of the negatives, but with Microsoft, it seems it is the opposite because they finally got a few good games. Not hardly right, nor fair. Even though the hardware is still as shoddy as ever, people ignore it because they have a good library. They look over the fact that hordes of people are already on their 3rd, 4th and even 5th 360s just because the games are good. Why not slack up on Sony already, at least give them the benefit of the doubt here, and give them a little longer than 6 months to show what the PS3 can do by releasing some great games on a RELIABLE console that will not lemon out on you at any given moment, making you go through 2, 3 or more of them before the end of the generation? LONG TERM INVESTMENT, folks.

At $600.00, when looked at from a long term perspective, the reliability of the PS3, prospective GREAT looking future line-up of games, HD blu-ray player included, free online....how is it not easily worth the years of entertainment that you will get out of it? Consider the 360 at $399.00 after your warranty runs out. What is it....nearly 200.00 bones to get it fixed if it red rings on you? If you want an HD DVD add on, that is 200.00 more bucks. Let's see here, 50.00 a year for XBL. Hell, hey even charge 180.00 for their new 120GB HD, if you decided to pick one up for your premium. Man, that sure does add up, does it not....and on a console that is a PROVEN piece of sh!t hardware wise? HMMMMM.

Maybe you guys are bashing the wrong company here. 600.00 for a PS3 is more than reasonable when looked at from a future standpoint that is weighed with reliablity, features, great future game line-up, free online, and INCLUDED hardware that the PS3 comes with straight out of the box....no extra milkage. Just try looking at it from that perspective, and it should make sense. The PS3 bashing has gone on for FAR too long, and is on overkill so hard, it is not even funny. I own, and love the 360, as well, but facts are facts. The PS3 IS A BETTER DEAL IN THE LONG RUN....period.

Of course it will all come down to personal preference in games though, and that is why I had to have both, as they actually complement each other, and both will have their own great line-up of exclusives that deserve credit where credit is due, but imo, the PS3 is indeed the better long term deal, and choice by far.....for very obvious reasons that I outlined above.

tango90101

if the ps3 was truly a better deal in the longrun, sony wouldn't be predicting even MORE losses with the ps3

http://www.chippewa.com/articles/2007/05/17/ap/hitech/d8p64pi80.txt

i'm sorry, but your comment about it being a better deal and the rest of your post, reeks of sony fanboyism...

you are kidding me right ?

you have encountered a massive fact list with sony predicting more losses ?

lets get things straight some companys releases consoles with a loss remember mixrosoft losses on xbox ?

6 billion i repeat 6 billion 

[QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="ironcreed"]

A little early too be digging graves, ya think? Give it at least a year, bud. Even considering the current huge quarterly losses....the PS3 is not about to go anywhere. It has only been out six months, and has not even had a chance to show what it can really do yet, and people are already prematurely, and ignorantly saying that it is dead, lol. Give me a break man.

All of this negativity torward the PS3 has sadly become nothing more than a fanboy trend. "Everybody else is bashing it, so let's join the gang!" Sure, Sony made some mistakes, but you think that Microsoft has ran a straight operation? Hell, the 360 has been out nearly 2 years now, and it's STILL the most SHODDY console on the market. It might red ring you if you look at it wrong it is so poorly made.

Do not get me wrong, I own, and love the 360 as well, but it is a piece of sh!t, man. Great game library....yes indeed. But the hardware SUCKS. In my opinion, this should be the obvious, and viable target for so called "bashing", as what good is a killer game library on a part time console? You can pile all of the gold you want on a turd, but it still will be a TURD all the same. Not to even mention all of the "options" that they give you via add ons in order to try and milk the hell out of their customers.

All of these things that Microsoft are getting away with, and people just ignore them because of games like Gears of War, and it makes me sick. Every GOOD thing that Sony tries to do, like free online, Home, working as hard as they can to get some great games out, ect. is automatically shot down in flames because some gamers are just bitter that it is 600.00, and because Sony is getting a late start with the software. Nevermind the fact that it is a damn fine piece of hardware that is RELIABLE....making it a great LONG TERM INVESTMENT to play games on, and watch HD blu-ray movies on for the LONG HAUL OF THE NEXT FEW YEARS.

People always ignore the good in favor of the negatives, but with Microsoft, it seems it is the opposite because they finally got a few good games. Not hardly right, nor fair. Even though the hardware is still as shoddy as ever, people ignore it because they have a good library. They look over the fact that hordes of people are already on their 3rd, 4th and even 5th 360s just because the games are good. Why not slack up on Sony already, at least give them the benefit of the doubt here, and give them a little longer than 6 months to show what the PS3 can do by releasing some great games on a RELIABLE console that will not lemon out on you at any given moment, making you go through 2, 3 or more of them before the end of the generation? LONG TERM INVESTMENT, folks.

At $600.00, when looked at from a long term perspective, the reliability of the PS3, prospective GREAT looking future line-up of games, HD blu-ray player included, free online....how is it not easily worth the years of entertainment that you will get out of it? Consider the 360 at $399.00 after your warranty runs out. What is it....nearly 200.00 bones to get it fixed if it red rings on you? If you want an HD DVD add on, that is 200.00 more bucks. Let's see here, 50.00 a year for XBL. Hell, hey even charge 180.00 for their new 120GB HD, if you decided to pick one up for your premium. Man, that sure does add up, does it not....and on a console that is a PROVEN piece of sh!t hardware wise? HMMMMM.

Maybe you guys are bashing the wrong company here. 600.00 for a PS3 is more than reasonable when looked at from a future standpoint that is weighed with reliablity, features, great future game line-up, free online, and INCLUDED hardware that the PS3 comes with straight out of the box....no extra milkage. Just try looking at it from that perspective, and it should make sense. The PS3 bashing has gone on for FAR too long, and is on overkill so hard, it is not even funny. I own, and love the 360, as well, but facts are facts. The PS3 IS A BETTER DEAL IN THE LONG RUN....period.

Of course it will all come down to personal preference in games though, and that is why I had to have both, as they actually complement each other, and both will have their own great line-up of exclusives that deserve credit where credit is due, but imo, the PS3 is indeed the better long term deal, and choice by far.....for very obvious reasons that I outlined above.

legalize3

if the ps3 was truly a better deal in the longrun, sony wouldn't be predicting even MORE losses with the ps3

http://www.chippewa.com/articles/2007/05/17/ap/hitech/d8p64pi80.txt

i'm sorry, but your comment about it being a better deal and the rest of your post, reeks of sony fanboyism...

you are kidding me right ?

you have encountered a massive fact list with sony predicting more losses ?

lets get things straight some companys releases consoles with a loss remember mixrosoft losses on xbox ?

6 billion i repeat 6 billion 

If PS3 was # 1 right now with 6 million sold.

They would still report huge losses. They lose 200 on each console sold. Either way the PS3 was a "lose now, win later" investment.

quote: The PS3 IS A BETTER DEAL IN THE LONG RUN....period 

            Only way for that to be true is if like me, you wait for a $200.00 price drop - nuf said ;)

SecretPolice

Well. what if you end up forking out nearly 200.00 to get your 360 repaired after your warranty is null and void? Not to mention what you pay for Live, or if you decide to get any "add-ons", lol. Seems to me, the 360, desptie being a lemon of a design, is also potentially more expensive in THE LONG RUN.

Like I said, the PS3 is a one time, one price, and RELIABLE LONG TERM investment with all of the features straight out of the box.....no "add on" bullsh!t millkage, hence, a better deal in the long run. It is even backward compatible with PS1, and PS2 straight out of the box. Enough said.

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

quote: The PS3 IS A BETTER DEAL IN THE LONG RUN....period 

            Only way for that to be true is if like me, you wait for a $200.00 price drop - nuf said ;)

ironcreed

Well. what if you end up forking out nearly 200.00 to get your 360 repaired after your warranty is null and void? Not to mention what you pay for Live, or if you decide to get any "add-ons", lol. Seems to me, the 360, desptie being a lemon of a design, is also potentially more expensive in THE LONG RUN.

Like I said, the PS3 is a one time, one price, and RELIABLE LONG TERM investment with all of the features straight out of the box.....no "add on" bullsh!t millkage, hence, a better deal in the long run. It is even backward compatible with PS1, and PS2 straight out of the box. Enough said.

[QUOTE="legalize3"][QUOTE="ironcreed"]

A little early too be digging graves, ya think? Give it at least a year, bud. Even considering the current huge quarterly losses....the PS3 is not about to go anywhere. It has only been out six months, and has not even had a chance to show what it can really do yet, and people are already prematurely, and ignorantly saying that it is dead, lol. Give me a break man.

All of this negativity torward the PS3 has sadly become nothing more than a fanboy trend. "Everybody else is bashing it, so let's join the gang!" Sure, Sony made some mistakes, but you think that Microsoft has ran a straight operation? Hell, the 360 has been out nearly 2 years now, and it's STILL the most SHODDY console on the market. It might red ring you if you look at it wrong it is so poorly made.

Do not get me wrong, I own, and love the 360 as well, but it is a piece of sh!t, man. Great game library....yes indeed. But the hardware SUCKS. In my opinion, this should be the obvious, and viable target for so called "bashing", as what good is a killer game library on a part time console? You can pile all of the gold you want on a turd, but it still will be a TURD all the same. Not to even mention all of the "options" that they give you via add ons in order to try and milk the hell out of their customers.

All of these things that Microsoft are getting away with, and people just ignore them because of games like Gears of War, and it makes me sick. Every GOOD thing that Sony tries to do, like free online, Home, working as hard as they can to get some great games out, ect. is automatically shot down in flames because some gamers are just bitter that it is 600.00, and because Sony is getting a late start with the software. Nevermind the fact that it is a damn fine piece of hardware that is RELIABLE....making it a great LONG TERM INVESTMENT to play games on, and watch HD blu-ray movies on for the LONG HAUL OF THE NEXT FEW YEARS.

People always ignore the good in favor of the negatives, but with Microsoft, it seems it is the opposite because they finally got a few good games. Not hardly right, nor fair. Even though the hardware is still as shoddy as ever, people ignore it because they have a good library. They look over the fact that hordes of people are already on their 3rd, 4th and even 5th 360s just because the games are good. Why not slack up on Sony already, at least give them the benefit of the doubt here, and give them a little longer than 6 months to show what the PS3 can do by releasing some great games on a RELIABLE console that will not lemon out on you at any given moment, making you go through 2, 3 or more of them before the end of the generation? LONG TERM INVESTMENT, folks.

At $600.00, when looked at from a long term perspective, the reliability of the PS3, prospective GREAT looking future line-up of games, HD blu-ray player included, free online....how is it not easily worth the years of entertainment that you will get out of it? Consider the 360 at $399.00 after your warranty runs out. What is it....nearly 200.00 bones to get it fixed if it red rings on you? If you want an HD DVD add on, that is 200.00 more bucks. Let's see here, 50.00 a year for XBL. Hell, hey even charge 180.00 for their new 120GB HD, if you decided to pick one up for your premium. Man, that sure does add up, does it not....and on a console that is a PROVEN piece of sh!t hardware wise? HMMMMM.

Maybe you guys are bashing the wrong company here. 600.00 for a PS3 is more than reasonable when looked at from a future standpoint that is weighed with reliablity, features, great future game line-up, free online, and INCLUDED hardware that the PS3 comes with straight out of the box....no extra milkage. Just try looking at it from that perspective, and it should make sense. The PS3 bashing has gone on for FAR too long, and is on overkill so hard, it is not even funny. I own, and love the 360, as well, but facts are facts. The PS3 IS A BETTER DEAL IN THE LONG RUN....period.

Of course it will all come down to personal preference in games though, and that is why I had to have both, as they actually complement each other, and both will have their own great line-up of exclusives that deserve credit where credit is due, but imo, the PS3 is indeed the better long term deal, and choice by far.....for very obvious reasons that I outlined above.

tango90101

you shouldnt write this down it makes to much sense for sw people...

we've all already read this; this is just the long verion of the "just wait" mentality...

given sony's history of failing to deliver on their promises, it looks to be another fruitless waiting game...

$600 is too much for "potential".

how long have you been waiting for a game to brag about ? 

exactly a year gears... 

[QUOTE="ironcreed"]

A little early too be digging graves, ya think? Give it at least a year, bud. Even considering the current huge quarterly losses....the PS3 is not about to go anywhere. It has only been out six months, and has not even had a chance to show what it can really do yet, and people are already prematurely, and ignorantly saying that it is dead, lol. Give me a break man.

All of this negativity torward the PS3 has sadly become nothing more than a fanboy trend. "Everybody else is bashing it, so let's join the gang!" Sure, Sony made some mistakes, but you think that Microsoft has ran a straight operation? Hell, the 360 has been out nearly 2 years now, and it's STILL the most SHODDY console on the market. It might red ring you if you look at it wrong it is so poorly made.

Do not get me wrong, I own, and love the 360 as well, but it is a piece of sh!t, man. Great game library....yes indeed. But the hardware SUCKS. In my opinion, this should be the obvious, and viable target for so called "bashing", as what good is a killer game library on a part time console? You can pile all of the gold you want on a turd, but it still will be a TURD all the same. Not to even mention all of the "options" that they give you via add ons in order to try and milk the hell out of their customers.

All of these things that Microsoft are getting away with, and people just ignore them because of games like Gears of War, and it makes me sick. Every GOOD thing that Sony tries to do, like free online, Home, working as hard as they can to get some great games out, ect. is automatically shot down in flames because some gamers are just bitter that it is 600.00, and because Sony is getting a late start with the software. Nevermind the fact that it is a damn fine piece of hardware that is RELIABLE....making it a great LONG TERM INVESTMENT to play games on, and watch HD blu-ray movies on for the LONG HAUL OF THE NEXT FEW YEARS.

People always ignore the good in favor of the negatives, but with Microsoft, it seems it is the opposite because they finally got a few good games. Not hardly right, nor fair. Even though the hardware is still as shoddy as ever, people ignore it because they have a good library. They look over the fact that hordes of people are already on their 3rd, 4th and even 5th 360s just because the games are good. Why not slack up on Sony already, at least give them the benefit of the doubt here, and give them a little longer than 6 months to show what the PS3 can do by releasing some great games on a RELIABLE console that will not lemon out on you at any given moment, making you go through 2, 3 or more of them before the end of the generation? LONG TERM INVESTMENT, folks.

At $600.00, when looked at from a long term perspective, the reliability of the PS3, prospective GREAT looking future line-up of games, HD blu-ray player included, free online....how is it not easily worth the years of entertainment that you will get out of it? Consider the 360 at $399.00 after your warranty runs out. What is it....nearly 200.00 bones to get it fixed if it red rings on you? If you want an HD DVD add on, that is 200.00 more bucks. Let's see here, 50.00 a year for XBL. Hell, hey even charge 180.00 for their new 120GB HD, if you decided to pick one up for your premium. Man, that sure does add up, does it not....and on a console that is a PROVEN piece of sh!t hardware wise? HMMMMM. 

Maybe you guys are bashing the wrong company here. 600.00 for a PS3 is more than reasonable when looked at from a future standpoint that is weighed with reliablity, features, great future game line-up, free online, and INCLUDED hardware that the PS3 comes with straight out of the box....no extra milkage. Just try looking at it from that perspective, and it should make sense. The PS3 bashing has gone on for FAR too long, and is on overkill so hard, it is not even funny. I own, and love the 360, as well, but facts are facts. The PS3 IS A BETTER DEAL IN THE LONG RUN....period.

Of course it will all come down to personal preference in games though, and that is why I had to have both, as they actually complement each other, and both will have their own great line-up of exclusives that deserve credit where credit is due, but imo, the PS3 is indeed the better long term deal, and choice by far.....for very obvious reasons that I outlined above. 

tango90101

if the ps3 was truly a better deal in the longrun, sony wouldn't be predicting even MORE losses with the ps3

http://www.chippewa.com/articles/2007/05/17/ap/hitech/d8p64pi80.txt

i'm sorry, but your comment about it being a better deal and the rest of your post, reeks of sony fanboyism...

Fanboyism? LOL...I own both consoles and enjoy theme both, man. I just pointed out the FACTS that the 360 is a PROVEN piece of crap hardware wise, but it is the FANBOYS who overlook, and ignore these blatantly obvious issues in favor of bashing the PS3's price, and lack of games at the moment. And in my opinion, paying 600.00 for a console that has all of the features I need striaght out of the box, and is reliable enough to last me for years without having to worry about going through 2 or 3 of them is more than worth the price it seems to me. It is called simple deductive logic...thats all. It is the fanboys who completely ignore the positives in favor of continually bashing the negatives....like you just did. So, speak for your self there, my friend.;)

[QUOTE="ironcreed"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

quote: The PS3 IS A BETTER DEAL IN THE LONG RUN....period

Only way for that to be true is if like me, you wait for a $200.00 price drop - nuf said ;)

rdo

Well. what if you end up forking out nearly 200.00 to get your 360 repaired after your warranty is null and void? Not to mention what you pay for Live, or if you decide to get any "add-ons", lol. Seems to me, the 360, desptie being a lemon of a design, is also potentially more expensive in THE LONG RUN.

Like I said, the PS3 is a one time, one price, and RELIABLE LONG TERM investment with all of the features straight out of the box.....no "add on" bullsh!t millkage, hence, a better deal in the long run. It is even backward compatible with PS1, and PS2 straight out of the box. Enough said.

i got a 160 gb hdd for 100 bucks

wanna talk about milkage ? 

[QUOTE="rdo"][QUOTE="ironcreed"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

quote: The PS3 IS A BETTER DEAL IN THE LONG RUN....period

Only way for that to be true is if like me, you wait for a $200.00 price drop - nuf said ;)

legalize3

Well. what if you end up forking out nearly 200.00 to get your 360 repaired after your warranty is null and void? Not to mention what you pay for Live, or if you decide to get any "add-ons", lol. Seems to me, the 360, desptie being a lemon of a design, is also potentially more expensive in THE LONG RUN.

Like I said, the PS3 is a one time, one price, and RELIABLE LONG TERM investment with all of the features straight out of the box.....no "add on" bullsh!t millkage, hence, a better deal in the long run. It is even backward compatible with PS1, and PS2 straight out of the box. Enough said.

i got a 160 gb hdd for 100 bucks

wanna talk about milkage ?