PS3=DISMAL. Sales #'s speak for themselfs. Sony's cost cuts=DESPERATION

Since when in HISTORY have you seen any product have a $200 cost reduction in less then 1 year?

The sales even in it's home land have been pathetic especially for the once proud KING of game systems.

Lets face it the PS3 sales have been worst then bad they are PATHETIC for a once CHAMP in the industry.

Spin it how you want a $200 cost cut in less then the first year =nothing more then COMPLETE DESPERATION by Sony. They have tried multiple different sku's cost cuts everything to get this thing going and it is NOT WORKING.

Actually that last price drop is showing some results. In fact I'll buy the PS3 now that there's a decent price drop.

And jeez, deja vu, how many topics are people going to do like this? It's just pointing out the obvious.

5 million sales in one year for an expensive console with 0 AAAE is not that bad.

the iphone.... dropped from 600 to 400 in 2 months. feel it.madvalocity5

Iphone yes that did i new someone would say that. But in general my point is. Name something else very few have done this in the high tech world.

[QUOTE="madvalocity5"]the iphone.... dropped from 600 to 400 in 2 months. feel it.Fuzzy_Munch

Iphone yes that did i new someone would say that. But in general my point is. Name something else very few have done this in the high tech world.

every new tech item goes down in price quickly.

the point is, for 400 you arent getting the same machine you would for 600 a year ago. so its not even a price drop, its a different version of the system.

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[QUOTE="madvalocity5"]the iphone.... dropped from 600 to 400 in 2 months. feel it.madvalocity5

Iphone yes that did i new someone would say that. But in general my point is. Name something else very few have done this in the high tech world.

every new tech item goes down in price quickly.

the point is, for 400 you arent getting the same machine you would for 600 a year ago. so its not even a price drop, its a different version of the system.

That is a good point.

Since when in HISTORY have you seen any product have a $200 cost reduction in less then 1 year?

The sales even in it's home land have been pathetic especially for the once proud KING of game systems.

Lets face it the PS3 sales have been worst then bad they are PATHETIC for a once CHAMP in the industry.

Spin it how you want a $200 cost cut in less then the first year =nothing more then COMPLETE DESPERATION by Sony. They have tried multiple different sku's cost cuts everything to get this thing going and it is NOT WORKING.

Fuzzy_Munch

QFT. And don't forget about Sony begging Developers to not abadoned their PS3s, begging.

Canon's Digital Rebel Xti SLR camera went from $899 to $643 in less than a year.ramey70

Now, I dont favor any particular system, but, being the case, since when has a game system ever been released for $600, and had new technology as part of the system for a sign. cheaper price than a comparable electronic device?

You cant just bash Sony for your points without atleast looking at the other side of the coin...

The 3DO launched at $700 and received multiple significant price drops in short succession. And we all know how that turned out.

The PS3 has the same destiny.

The 3DO launched at $700 and received multiple significant price drops in short succession. And we all know how that turned out.

The PS3 has the same destiny.

Number_1_Gamer

Wow. I'm baffled at some of the things I read here. 3DO and the PS3 have very little in common.

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The 3DO launched at $700 and received multiple significant price drops in short succession. And we all know how that turned out.

The PS3 has the same destiny.

ramey70

Wow. I'm baffled at some of the things I read here. 3DO and the PS3 have very little in common.

If you're baffled than you should read up on the 3DO.

[QUOTE="ramey70"][QUOTE="Number_1_Gamer"]

The 3DO launched at $700 and received multiple significant price drops in short succession. And we all know how that turned out.

The PS3 has the same destiny.

Number_1_Gamer

Wow. I'm baffled at some of the things I read here. 3DO and the PS3 have very little in common.

If you're baffled than you should read up on the 3DO.

I don't have to read up on it, I'm 30 years old and I had a 3DO. I also know that the 3DO has no established userbase nor an in house developed games with a history of several mulitmillion selling titles. In addition the inflation adjusted price of the 3DO would be $1,150, not $600 like the PS3. They aren't even close to being the same price.

And save your fanboy comments, I bought a launch PS3, got tired of waiting and sold it to upgrade from a premium 360 to an Elite 360. I'll just call out absurdities when I see them.

[QUOTE="madvalocity5"]the iphone.... dropped from 600 to 400 in 2 months. feel it.Fuzzy_Munch

Iphone yes that did i new someone would say that. But in general my point is. Name something else very few have done this in the high tech world.

So do you think Sony will cut their customer's checks like Apple is doing?

I highly doubt it.

Introducing multiple skus and discontinuing skus with multiply price drops are one thing, but begging for developers to stay on board is another, its just pure desperation.

Introducing multiple skus and discontinuing skus with multiply price drops are one thing, but begging for developers to stay on board is another, its just pure desperation.

ReverseCycology

PS3 sails suck: odd because its outselling 360 at the moment

Sony cut costs = desperation? :lol: Its a business, everyone cuts costs.

Dude, if sony are happy with the sales of their consoles, then who are you to judge?

Since when in HISTORY have you seen any product have a $200 cost reduction in less then 1 year?

The sales even in it's home land have been pathetic especially for the once proud KING of game systems.

Lets face it the PS3 sales have been worst then bad they are PATHETIC for a once CHAMP in the industry.

Spin it how you want a $200 cost cut in less then the first year =nothing more then COMPLETE DESPERATION by Sony. They have tried multiple different sku's cost cuts everything to get this thing going and it is NOT WORKING.

Fuzzy_Munch

First you whine that the PS3 price was too high to afford, now you whine again when the price goes down? Whats it gonna be?

PS3 sails suck: odd because its outselling 360 at the moment

Sony cut costs = desperation? :lol: Its a business, everyone cuts costs.

Dude, if sony are happy with the sales of their consoles, then who are you to judge?

RazMaTaz-1

please link us to where it is outselling the 360 ?

lol this thread backfired I see..Gun_Haze

Not really becuase i wanted to say since when has a game system dropped in cost so fast. But i new all the fanboys would of went ramped on saying bu bu bu the PS3 is 600 bucks no other system is really that much ever. Maybe only 3d0 was pretty $$$

I have not taken into much of the latest article on Sony bagging developers about please don't jump ship i'll wait until GS confirms this also. But uf this in fact is true then WOW Sony is on there Knees at this point with PS3.

[QUOTE="RazMaTaz-1"]

PS3 sails suck: odd because its outselling 360 at the moment

Sony cut costs = desperation? :lol: Its a business, everyone cuts costs.

Dude, if sony are happy with the sales of their consoles, then who are you to judge?

Fuzzy_Munch

please link us to where it is outselling the 360 ?

http://vgchartz.com/hwcomps.php?cons1=Wii®1=All&cons2=PS3®2=All&cons3=X360®3=All&align=1

It just shows that the PS3 has sold around the same number of unit as the Xbox 360 in terms of weeks its been out. The sales dont show desperation.

the iphone.... dropped from 600 to 400 in 2 months. feel it.madvalocity5

Thats because they already tapped al of they're Worms willing to pay for 600 dollar cell phone pfft.

the iphone.... dropped from 600 to 400 in 2 months. feel it.madvalocity5

you are right, but we are dealing with different types of electronic equipment. Phones, TV's can go down quick in price because of competition and new models that continue to come out.

the iPhone was too expensive, people didn't buy it cause it was lacking anything, it wasjust too expensive, there are thousands of cell phones that you can buy instead, same thing with a tv, if its too expensive, people have an option to buy another brand for less money.

but video game systems are on a whole other level. if you are aSony fan, you don't have much choice but to either buy the system or wait for it to go down in price. there are only TWO other viable systems and all 3 are really different when it comes to audience and games. if the system was selling better, you would never hear about a price drop.

video game systems that lower the price twice in one year is crazy, like Sony said,Sony fans would buy the system even if it didn't have games, and some have but not enough for developers notto be worried about the installed base. didn't Sony slash the price in Japan before the system even came out? Sony new the price was going to be a problem, but they had no choice, they really wanted to push that damn b-ray.

A question for Sony and Nintendo fans......if Microsoft cut the price 2 or more times in its first year, wouldn't you guys say that the system is having problems? or would you say that Microsoft is just doing it for the fan base? personally I think all of you would murder 360 fans about it. I mean jesus, you guys almost ripped 360 owners a new one because of a power brick, which I think was one of the silliest things to argue or debate about.

[QUOTE="Fuzzy_Munch"][QUOTE="RazMaTaz-1"]

PS3 sails suck: odd because its outselling 360 at the moment

Sony cut costs = desperation? :lol: Its a business, everyone cuts costs.

Dude, if sony are happy with the sales of their consoles, then who are you to judge?

FatCat360

please link us to where it is outselling the 360 ?

http://vgchartz.com/hwcomps.php?cons1=Wii®1=All&cons2=PS3®2=All&cons3=X360®3=All&align=1

It just shows that the PS3 has sold around the same number of unit as the Xbox 360 in terms of weeks its been out. The sales dont show desperation.

This is more like what has been happening for the most part PS3 has only outsold 360 just a few weeks here and there since it has released this is what it has been for the most part. Notice in Sony own home cou ntry it barly beats 360. I USA the 360 SLAUGHTERS Sony. And for TOTAL it is a pretty big margin

Hardware Sales, 13th Oct 2007

JapanAmericaOthersTotal76,826111,861158,975347,66270,13375,36562,027207,52519,66088,84375,033183,5367,209123,09842,244172,5519,81331,39477,827119,034

Toshiba's HDA1 HD-DVD player went from $599 to less than $300 in less than a year.ramey70

true, but remember, you have many choices of HD-DVD players you can buy, so they have to keep it at a good price to compete, plus new versions will be out, so the price HAS to go down.

Sony competes with Nintendo and Microsoft, not much choice there, and to have to lower the price twice just to stay competitive with the other two can't be a good thing.

Sony will be fine, but I think its nice that they don't dominate like last generation, hopefully we will have a nice even split between the 3, then everyone wins.

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[QUOTE="madvalocity5"]the iphone.... dropped from 600 to 400 in 2 months. feel it.VoodooHak

Iphone yes that did i new someone would say that. But in general my point is. Name something else very few have done this in the high tech world.

So do you think Sony will cut their customer's checks like Apple is doing?

I highly doubt it.

Apple is a respectable company. Sony is not.

I was waiting for someone to point this out.

360's been out for about 2 years and has sold 11+ million, even with Halo.

PS3's been out for about 1 year and has sold 5+ million...

How does that equate to the PS3 sales are "DISMAL" or Sony's "desperate"?

Aside from that, people need to wake up to the business or retail.

The holiday season starts and companies introduce cheaper prices or cheaper merchandise to consumers. That's the business of retail.

If a manufacturer wants to boost sales of any item (especially seen in electronics and cars) they will lower the price, bring out a newer model or possibly scrap it all together.

Does that mean that Samsung is desperate when they release a new version of HD tv's at a cheaper price?

Is Apple desperate when they release a new and cheap Ipod?

Cost cuts do not equal desperation. It equals buzz and boost in sales.

[QUOTE="ramey70"]Toshiba's HDA1 HD-DVD player went from $599 to less than $300 in less than a year.LEGEND_C4A

true, but remember, you have many choices of HD-DVD players you can buy, so they have to keep it at a good price to compete, plus new versions will be out, so the price HAS to go down.

Sony competes with Nintendo and Microsoft, not much choice there, and to have to lower the price twice just to stay competitive with the other two can't be a good thing.

Sony will be fine, but I think its nice that they don't dominate like last generation, hopefully we will have a nice even split between the 3, then everyone wins.

At the time the HDA1 was released the only other HD-DVD player was the RCA unit and it was priced the same. The only competition it received was six months after launch which was a high end Toshiba unit capable of 1080p and the Xbox add-on which required a 360.

The 3DO launched at $700 and received multiple significant price drops in short succession. And we all know how that turned out.

The PS3 has the same destiny.

Number_1_Gamer

I live in Washington Heigts, NYC. I only new one person in the neighboorhoodwho owned the 3DO, damn what a piece of crap, I did like playing star control and road rash on that system, does anyone remember Madden on the 3DO, yuck!

The 3DO launched at $700 and received multiple significant price drops in short succession. And we all know how that turned out.

The PS3 has the same destiny.

Number_1_Gamer

The PS3 goes down in price as such as the one in Canada. Because the company cares more about its costomers more. Putting it as the same price as the PS3s in the United States. Its gone down in price also because its becoming cheaper for the company to make the PS3 and they can lower down the price. If you knew anything about economics you would understand.FatCat360

I call bull on everything you said, Sony does not care about you, if they could charge $800 for the system and it was selling, well then $800 is what it would be until people didn't buy the system anymore. A company doesn't just lower the price just because its cheaper to make a system, you also have to take into account how many people are actually buying the system, and price the system accordingly.

How much does the Wii cost too make? about 100 to 150 bucks? and they are selling it for how much? 250? if nintendo really cared they would have had a price drop by now since they are selling well and making a lot of money, so why not show love and give a small price cut and have even more people buy the system? but wait? care about customers! hell no! the system is selling so it won't go down.

still a strange world, this year is not done, so maybe Nintendo will have a price cut, but I promise you its not because they care for you.

[QUOTE="ramey70"]Toshiba's HDA1 HD-DVD player went from $599 to less than $300 in less than a year.LEGEND_C4A

true, but remember, you have many choices of HD-DVD players you can buy, so they have to keep it at a good price to compete, plus new versions will be out, so the price HAS to go down.

Sony competes with Nintendo and Microsoft, not much choice there, and to have to lower the price twice just to stay competitive with the other two can't be a good thing.

Sony will be fine, but I think its nice that they don't dominate like last generation, hopefully we will have a nice even split between the 3, then everyone wins.

Uh....you just said,

"HD-DVD players need to have their prices cut to compete" and

"Sony has to lower the price twice to stay competitive".

With other HD-DVD players and other consoles, respectively. The number of competitors do not matter (e.g., as long as one guy does things better, everybody else has to respond), so what's the difference?

I was waiting for someone to point this out.

360's been out for about 2 years and has sold 11+ million, even with Halo.

PS3's been out for about 1 year and has sold 5+ million...

How does that equate to the PS3 sales are "DISMAL" or Sony's "desperate"?

Aside from that, people need to wake up to the business or retail.

The holiday season starts and companies introduce cheaper prices or cheaper merchandise to consumers. That's the business of retail.

If a manufacturer wants to boost sales of any item (especially seen in electronics and cars) they will lower the price, bring out a newer model or possibly scrap it all together.

Does that mean that Samsung is desperate when they release a new version of HD tv's at a cheaper price?

Is Apple desperate when they release a new and cheap Ipod?

Cost cuts do not equal desperation. It equals buzz and boost in sales.

avlin1122

Those numbers are not that close like you say. I really thinkexGen charts sre more closer. Here look.

http://nexgenwars.com/