PS3=DISMAL. Sales #'s speak for themselfs. Sony's cost cuts=DESPERATION

[QUOTE="FatCat360"]The PS3 goes down in price as such as the one in Canada. Because the company cares more about its costomers more. Putting it as the same price as the PS3s in the United States. Its gone down in price also because its becoming cheaper for the company to make the PS3 and they can lower down the price. If you knew anything about economics you would understand.LEGEND_C4A

I call bull on everything you said, Sony does not care about you, if they could charge $800 for the system and it was selling, well then $800 is what it would be until people didn't buy the system anymore. A company doesn't just lower the price just because its cheaper to make a system, you also have to take into account how many people are actually buying the system, and price the system accordingly.

How much does the Wii cost too make? about 100 to 150 bucks? and they are selling it for how much? 250? if nintendo really cared they would have had a price drop by now since they are selling well and making a lot of money, so why not show love and give a small price cut and have even more people buy the system? but wait? care about customers! hell no! the system is selling so it won't go down.

still a strange world, this year is not done, so maybe Nintendo will have a price cut, but I promise you its not because they care for you.

I will agree with this point totally. No company drops prices because they care. They drop prices because the demand curve has shifted to a point on the supply curve that warrants a drop in price level.

I was waiting for someone to point this out.

360's been out for about 2 years and has sold 11+ million, even with Halo.

PS3's been out for about 1 year and has sold 5+ million...

How does that equate to the PS3 sales are "DISMAL" or Sony's "desperate"?

Aside from that, people need to wake up to the business or retail.

The holiday season starts and companies introduce cheaper prices or cheaper merchandise to consumers. That's the business of retail.

If a manufacturer wants to boost sales of any item (especially seen in electronics and cars) they will lower the price, bring out a newer model or possibly scrap it all together.

Does that mean that Samsung is desperate when they release a new version of HD tv's at a cheaper price?

Is Apple desperate when they release a new and cheap Ipod?

Cost cuts do not equal desperation. It equals buzz and boost in sales.

avlin1122

you are right the system is selling on par with the 360, but if it continues like this, then the PS3 will never catch up with the 360. and as long as the 360 has the bigger user base, Microsoft will have an advantage. I won't even bring up the Wii cause that system caters to a different audience.

and its analyst that said the sales are dismal, its developers that have spoken about the PS3 and issues they have. you can't just ignore any of that. when Nintendo and Microsoft sell over 500,000 systems in one month and sony barely gets close to 130,000(is that right?) you have to wonder and worry.

in the end it comes down to this, Sony said a lot of things about that PS3, they did a lot of bragging, and so far its not what they told us it was going to be. will the system get better? hell yes and it will rock soon enough, but right now compared to the other two systems, you can't really tell anyone to buy the PS3 unless your best defense for the system is that it will be better in 2008, which is silly cause 360 and Wii are getting it done right now, and can't see why that will stop for either of them in 2008.

my new car dropped a few hundred the moment I drove it home on the first day.

5 million sales in one year for an expensive console with 0 AAAE is not that bad.

coldsteel321

Good point. Ill get one once i see better graphics with better framerates and better gameplay. I am excited for killzone 2 and GOW3, and will defently get a $400 console for those. I want a new twisted metal, DAVID MAKE IT! DAMN IT!!!

my new car dropped a few hundred the moment I drove it home on the first day.

gamenux

Actualized depreciation is not the same thing as demand induced price level cuts.

[QUOTE="LEGEND_C4A"]

[QUOTE="ramey70"]Toshiba's HDA1 HD-DVD player went from $599 to less than $300 in less than a year.Datheron

true, but remember, you have many choices of HD-DVD players you can buy, so they have to keep it at a good price to compete, plus new versions will be out, so the price HAS to go down.

Sony competes with Nintendo and Microsoft, not much choice there, and to have to lower the price twice just to stay competitive with the other two can't be a good thing.

Sony will be fine, but I think its nice that they don't dominate like last generation, hopefully we will have a nice even split between the 3, then everyone wins.

Uh....you just said,

"HD-DVD players need to have their prices cut to compete" and

"Sony has to lower the price twice to stay competitive".

With other HD-DVD players and other consoles, respectively. The number of competitors do not matter (e.g., as long as one guy does things better, everybody else has to respond), so what's the difference?

again, video game system don't usually have price cuts so soon, it takes a long time to have one, unless you have no choice but to compete.which in turn can hurt a video game company because they might have to lose more money because they had to lower the price sooner than expected.

HD-DVD not only compete with other companies but they also have to compete with themselves, one company can have 13 different HD-DVD players and have to try and sell each one, so prices are all over the place. video game companies do not want to lower the price unless its sales are slowing down or not selling fast enough, and apparently Sony feels that they need to cut the price unless they want to be left in the dust, and as god as my witness, I'm sure that Sony did not want to lower the price twice so damn soon. it will help in the long run, true, but a strategy that they really didn't want to do just yet.

the number of competitors does matter, even though I have to admit it didn't work against the iPod, but look at samsung and how they started to sell TV's and put Sony on their heels, good quality TV's for a cheaper price so Sony can lower a price to compete and still make a new model that they can charge an arm and a leg for, you don't have that luxury with video game systems, Microsoft is making multiple SKU's but at least they are adding instead of removing features.

[QUOTE="Number_1_Gamer"]

The 3DO launched at $700 and received multiple significant price drops in short succession. And we all know how that turned out.

The PS3 has the same destiny.

DireToad

I agree with Number 1 gamer, he is 100% correct. :lol:

[QUOTE="gamenux"]

my new car dropped a few hundred the moment I drove it home on the first day.

ramey70

Actualized depreciation is not the same thing as demand induced price level cuts.

The ps3's reduction does not equate to "demand induced" cuts.

when has sony EVER listened to the demands of the consumer? hint: NEVER.

the price cut is an act of desperation. the fact that bluray is getting spanked in the player market, and sony is BEGGING developers to stay is proof of this.

[QUOTE="madvalocity5"]the iphone.... dropped from 600 to 400 in 2 months. feel it.Fuzzy_Munch

Iphone yes that did i new someone would say that. But in general my point is. Name something else very few have done this in the high tech world.

My Samsung 1080p HDTV fell from $2,900 to $1,700 in less than a year last year.

Samsung's BDP-1000 Bluray player went from $999 to $699 in less than a year.

Toshiba's HDA1 HD-DVD player went from $599 to less than $300 in less than a year.

Denon's AVR-1707 Home Theater receiver went from $449 to $249 in less than a year.

Sony's SXRD line of HDTV's fell over $1,000 from $3,200 in less than a year.

Canon's Digital Rebel Xti SLR camera went from $899 to $643 in less than a year.

ramey70

I love the smell of ownage in the afternoon.

:lol:

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The Dreamcast got a price cut a year later in the US...

I believe it did take a complete year though... the looming launch of the PS2 caused Sega to do it.

again, video game system don't usually have price cuts so soon, it takes a long time to have one, unless you have no choice but to compete.which in turn can hurt a video game company because they might have to lose more money because they had to lower the price sooner than expected.LEGEND_C4A

We should be grateful that companies are forced to compete: in online offerings, in great games, in a great selection of games, in price and in features. Would you prefer a state where companies didn't have to compete so they can maintain high prices and mediocre quality? Does EA come into mind?

HD-DVD not only compete with other companies but they also have to compete with themselves, one company can have 13 different HD-DVD players and have to try and sell each one, so prices are all over the place. video game companies do not want to lower the price unless its sales are slowing down or not selling fast enough, and apparently Sony feels that they need to cut the price unless they want to be left in the dust, and as god as my witness, I'm sure that Sony did not want to lower the price twice so damn soon. it will help in the long run, true, but a strategy that they really didn't want to do just yet.LEGEND_C4A

That kind of comes with the competition; if you did everything according to plan, you've got some pretty lousy competitors who you're not responding to. I'm not saying that Sony wanted to cut the price.

the number of competitors does matter, even though I have to admit it didn't work against the iPod, but look at samsung and how they started to sell TV's and put Sony on their heels, good quality TV's for a cheaper price so Sony can lower a price to compete and still make a new model that they can charge an arm and a leg for, you don't have that luxury with video game systems, Microsoft is making multiple SKU's but at least they are adding instead of removing features.LEGEND_C4A

You're just setting up exceptions so you can make a narrow point applying only to video games. The marketplace doesn't care how many competitors exist, for any industry - as long as the rules are fair and anybody can get into the game, two companies competing is the same as ten companies competing, and if a company is grabbing a larger market share the other company/companies have to respond. Competition within your own units is irrelevant in terms of marketshare; if you buy an iPod Mini instead of an iPod Classic, you're still buying an iPod. It may matter to the profit margin, but only Nintendo is selling their consoles at a hefty profit anyway, so a moot point.

Since when in HISTORY have you seen any product have a $200 cost reduction in less then 1 year?

The sales even in it's home land have been pathetic especially for the once proud KING of game systems.

Lets face it the PS3 sales have been worst then bad they are PATHETIC for a once CHAMP in the industry.

Spin it how you want a $200 cost cut in less then the first year =nothing more then COMPLETE DESPERATION by Sony. They have tried multiple different sku's cost cuts everything to get this thing going and it is NOT WORKING.

Fuzzy_Munch

All I know is I'm having one hell of a time playing GT5 right now.

[QUOTE="LEGEND_C4A"]again, video game system don't usually have price cuts so soon, it takes a long time to have one, unless you have no choice but to compete.which in turn can hurt a video game company because they might have to lose more money because they had to lower the price sooner than expected.Datheron

We should be grateful that companies are forced to compete: in online offerings, in great games, in a great selection of games, in price and in features. Would you prefer a state where companies didn't have to compete so they can maintain high prices and mediocre quality? Does EA come into mind?

HD-DVD not only compete with other companies but they also have to compete with themselves, one company can have 13 different HD-DVD players and have to try and sell each one, so prices are all over the place. video game companies do not want to lower the price unless its sales are slowing down or not selling fast enough, and apparently Sony feels that they need to cut the price unless they want to be left in the dust, and as god as my witness, I'm sure that Sony did not want to lower the price twice so damn soon. it will help in the long run, true, but a strategy that they really didn't want to do just yet.LEGEND_C4A

That kind of comes with the competition; if you did everything according to plan, you've got some pretty lousy competitors who you're not responding to. I'm not saying that Sony wanted to cut the price.

the number of competitors does matter, even though I have to admit it didn't work against the iPod, but look at samsung and how they started to sell TV's and put Sony on their heels, good quality TV's for a cheaper price so Sony can lower a price to compete and still make a new model that they can charge an arm and a leg for, you don't have that luxury with video game systems, Microsoft is making multiple SKU's but at least they are adding instead of removing features.LEGEND_C4A

You're just setting up exceptions so you can make a narrow point applying only to video games. The marketplace doesn't care how many competitors exist, for any industry - as long as the rules are fair and anybody can get into the game, two companies competing is the same as ten companies competing, and if a company is grabbing a larger market share the other company/companies have to respond. Competition within your own units is irrelevant in terms of marketshare; if you buy an iPod Mini instead of an iPod Classic, you're still buying an iPod. It may matter to the profit margin, but only Nintendo is selling their consoles at a hefty profit anyway, so a moot point.

excellent points my good man, I can't argue with what you have said. regardless, of all the years playing video games, I have never seen a generation like this one. And for a video game powerhouse like Sony to have to lower their price two times in its first year is just crazy. I just got home and I was listening to the latest 1up podcast, and in it they were talking about the PS3 and its price drops and how crazy it is that they are doing it.

your post was excellent and I understand what you mean, but right now I would not be happy with Sony's situation and to hear people say that there are no problems in Sony's world I think are being too loyal to the system. I'll admit my loyalty to the 360 can be considered crazy with all the hardware problems, My xbox broke down once and it now has a dvd tray problem, my wireless headset is no good and I can't use it, and now I hear that my Steering wheel might smoke someday and I need another piece installed, but even with all these problems I can live with it because of the games and the hours of enjoyment playing on live. As of now there is really nothing I want for the PS3, so no way I'll buy it. Regardless of how much they bring the price down. I do like Little big planet, I'm in love with that game and I haven't even played it, but I'm not gonna buy a system october 2007, because I think the games will be ok in 2008.

I still think the PS3 will be fine, its just gonna take some time, but thats time I don't want to wait and a lot of people feel the same, and regardless if you agree or not, this is not good for Sony. cause by the time the really good games are here, it could be too late, don't think it will, but its a possibility.

excellent points my good man, I can't argue with what you have said. regardless, of all the years playing video games, I have never seen a generation like this one. And for a video game powerhouse like Sony to have to lower their price two times in its first year is just crazy. I just got home and I was listening to the latest 1up podcast, and in it they were talking about the PS3 and its price drops and how crazy it is that they are doing it.LEGEND_C4A

Well, I agree that this gen isn't as lopsided as other generations and having three legitimate consoles in play makes a difference. I'd also like to think that all three competitors have differing backgrounds and goals for their consoles, and it plays out to some interesting dynamics and strategies that's vastly different from the Nintendo/Sega days.

your post was excellent and I understand what you mean, but right now I would not be happy with Sony's situation and to hear people say that there are no problems in Sony's world I think are being too loyal to the system. I'll admit my loyalty to the 360 can be considered crazy with all the hardware problems, My xbox broke down once and it now has a dvd tray problem, my wireless headset is no good and I can't use it, and now I hear that my Steering wheel might smoke someday and I need another piece installed, but even with all these problems I can live with it because of the games and the hours of enjoyment playing on live. As of now there is really nothing I want for the PS3, so no way I'll buy it. Regardless of how much they bring the price down. I do like Little big planet, I'm in love with that game and I haven't even played it, but I'm not gonna buy a system october 2007, because I think the games will be ok in 2008.LEGEND_C4A

Well, I feel the same way as I have a 360 (same smoking wireless wheel in fact, they haven't sent me the RMA box yet) and I enjoy its games but I have a soft point for Sony and I feel eventually its games are going to cater more to my personal tastes than the Microsoft box. People - especially on this forum - blow "having a problem" out of proportion and think it means "fail". Think of it another way: if you're not constantly being challenged in the marketplace, forced to respond to others and come up with new innovations and ideas to sell your platform, many of the great advances that we've seen in gaming would have never come to be. Sony "being in trouble" is a good thing for everybody.

I still think the PS3 will be fine, its just gonna take some time, but thats time I don't want to wait and a lot of people feel the same, and regardless if you agree or not, this is not good for Sony. cause by the time the really good games are here, it could be too late, don't think it will, but its a possibility.LEGEND_C4A

Then they'll learn and be better prepared for the next generation of consoles, or be eliminated from the marketplace, kinda like how Nintendo learned that disk-based media was the customer-preferred standard and expensive cartridges weren't going to cut it anymore. The funny thing is, most people who are bashing Sony now and are hoping they'd fade from video games don't know the implications of an Nintendo or Microsoft-controlled marketplace; a little foresight goes a long ways.

[QUOTE="Fuzzy_Munch"]

[QUOTE="madvalocity5"]the iphone.... dropped from 600 to 400 in 2 months. feel it.buuzer0

Iphone yes that did i new someone would say that. But in general my point is. Name something else very few have done this in the high tech world.

My Samsung 1080p HDTV fell from $2,900 to $1,700 in less than a year last year.

Samsung's BDP-1000 Bluray player went from $999 to $699 in less than a year.

Toshiba's HDA1 HD-DVD player went from $599 to less than $300 in less than a year.

Denon's AVR-1707 Home Theater receiver went from $449 to $249 in less than a year.

Sony's SXRD line of HDTV's fell over $1,000 from $3,200 in less than a year.

Canon's Digital Rebel Xti SLR camera went from $899 to $643 in less than a year.

ramey70

I love the smell of ownage in the afternoon.

:lol:

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how the hell is that ownage? he listed off a bunch of fringe electronic devices that are sold to niche markets.. are you admitting the PS3 is a somewhat obscure electronic device?

it's not selling well, the price dropped.. same story with iphone, initial demand was high, tapered off.. pricepoint was too high, like the PS3. same with bluray players, hdtvs, etc. consumers aren't adopting new tech at the same rate they did in the past.. call it buyer fatique - call it whatever you want.

i love it when someone tries to own someone with a random fact based tangent... /fail.

[QUOTE="ramey70"][QUOTE="gamenux"]

my new car dropped a few hundred the moment I drove it home on the first day.

tango90101

Actualized depreciation is not the same thing as demand induced price level cuts.

The ps3's reduction does not equate to "demand induced" cuts.

when has sony EVER listened to the demands of the consumer? hint: NEVER.

the price cut is an act of desperation. the fact that bluray is getting spanked in the player market, and sony is BEGGING developers to stay is proof of this.

Perhaps you should take time off from running your bank to actually study economics. Demand induced price level cuts stem from LACK of demand, not that the price cut "was demanded". In short, I'M CLAIMING THAT THE PS3 WASN'T SELLING AS WELL AS SONY HAD HOPED AND THAT LACK OF CONSUMER DEMAND FORCED SONY TO LOWER THE PRICE.

This is basic economics. The anticipated demand curve shifted leftward resulting in a lower prive level along the supply curve.

IN SHORT, I'M ON YOUR SIDE IN THIS ARGUEMENT YOU TWIT.

my new car dropped a few hundred the moment I drove it home on the first day.

gamenux

LMFAO I dont know why but that made me :lol:

the iphone.... dropped from 600 to 400 in 2 months. feel it.madvalocity5

My Samsung 1080p HDTV fell from $2,900 to $1,700 in less than a year last year.ramey70

Toshiba's HDA1 HD-DVD player went from $599 to less than $300 in less than a year.ramey70

/thread :P

[QUOTE="LEGEND_C4A"]excellent points my good man, I can't argue with what you have said. regardless, of all the years playing video games, I have never seen a generation like this one. And for a video game powerhouse like Sony to have to lower their price two times in its first year is just crazy. I just got home and I was listening to the latest 1up podcast, and in it they were talking about the PS3 and its price drops and how crazy it is that they are doing it.Datheron

Well, I agree that this gen isn't as lopsided as other generations and having three legitimate consoles in play makes a difference. I'd also like to think that all three competitors have differing backgrounds and goals for their consoles, and it plays out to some interesting dynamics and strategies that's vastly different from the Nintendo/Sega days.

your post was excellent and I understand what you mean, but right now I would not be happy with Sony's situation and to hear people say that there are no problems in Sony's world I think are being too loyal to the system. I'll admit my loyalty to the 360 can be considered crazy with all the hardware problems, My xbox broke down once and it now has a dvd tray problem, my wireless headset is no good and I can't use it, and now I hear that my Steering wheel might smoke someday and I need another piece installed, but even with all these problems I can live with it because of the games and the hours of enjoyment playing on live. As of now there is really nothing I want for the PS3, so no way I'll buy it. Regardless of how much they bring the price down. I do like Little big planet, I'm in love with that game and I haven't even played it, but I'm not gonna buy a system october 2007, because I think the games will be ok in 2008.LEGEND_C4A

Well, I feel the same way as I have a 360 (same smoking wireless wheel in fact, they haven't sent me the RMA box yet) and I enjoy its games but I have a soft point for Sony and I feel eventually its games are going to cater more to my personal tastes than the Microsoft box. People - especially on this forum - blow "having a problem" out of proportion and think it means "fail". Think of it another way: if you're not constantly being challenged in the marketplace, forced to respond to others and come up with new innovations and ideas to sell your platform, many of the great advances that we've seen in gaming would have never come to be. Sony "being in trouble" is a good thing for everybody.

I still think the PS3 will be fine, its just gonna take some time, but thats time I don't want to wait and a lot of people feel the same, and regardless if you agree or not, this is not good for Sony. cause by the time the really good games are here, it could be too late, don't think it will, but its a possibility.LEGEND_C4A

Then they'll learn and be better prepared for the next generation of consoles, or be eliminated from the marketplace, kinda like how Nintendo learned that disk-based media was the customer-preferred standard and expensive cartridges weren't going to cut it anymore. The funny thing is, most people who are bashing Sony now and are hoping they'd fade from video games don't know the implications of an Nintendo or Microsoft-controlled marketplace; a little foresight goes a long ways.