PS3=Hillary Clinton. 360=Barack Obama.. Great read for you politics junkies

[QUOTE="zidane345"]

so lets elect different for the sake of doing something different, brilliant

Andrew_Xavier

Or, elect different for the sake of the same causing an economic recession, and commiting terrorist acts around the World with a massive military and a bunch of bomb strikes? Seems like a good reason to go different.

1) I'm pretty sure the government has no control over people being dumb ***es with their money and getting themselves sunk in debt.

2) Liberating countries from tyrannical militant rulers is horrible, I know. I can't believe we're so cruel. :roll:

[QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"]

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]Say no to liberals. McCain (Wii) '08! Barrack Hussein Obama is the worst choice, though.BioShockOwnz

Yup! Say yes to conservatives! Bombing foreign Countries and economic depression are where it's at! Human rights are stupid :cry:

We'd all love to live in a perfect world, but the fact is that we have enemies. Also, you can blame the democratic congress for holding up bills that would help the economy.

Ah yeah, enemies you funded a few years ago? Those enemies?

But yeah, it's cool, let's say I don't like "Phil", so, instead of telling "Phil", I kill his whole family, and the entire neighbourhood he lives in, not because they know him, because they are there, but, it's cool, because I make up lies and say they all had nukes in their basemints, they don't, but, it's cool, because now I'm "liberating" them *aka, well known terrorist term #8*. Now, I'm not a murderer, or a genocidal maniac, because I say so. Remind you of something?

[QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"][QUOTE="zidane345"]

so lets elect different for the sake of doing something different, brilliant

dewmandew7

Or, elect different for the sake of the same causing an economic recession, and commiting terrorist acts around the World with a massive military and a bunch of bomb strikes? Seems like a good reason to go different.

1) I'm pretty sure the government has no control over people being dumb ***es with their money and getting themselves sunk in debt.

2) Liberating countries from tyrannical militant rulers is horrible, I know. I can't believe we're so cruel. :roll:

1) Actually, the economic recession has little to do with how people are with their money, the war is putting the US gov't into EVEN MORE debt, considering they are all ready in debt by the billions, that's not a good thing, the country being in debt causes recessions.

2) Would a good way to liberate you from, say, your cat, be to bomb your entire Country, killing ridiculous numbers of innocents? Just curious.

Obama is so obviously the Wii.mmogoon

The old guy that everyone counted out that made a surprising comeback?

Uh, McCain?!?

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

[QUOTE="Gh0st_Of_0nyx"]No its pretty much right he can go around tryoing to convince people he isnt but his policy's and rhetoric are very bushlike. America dosent need 4 more years of more of the same they need something different and by different I mean democrat :wink:
Gh0st_Of_0nyx

You put too much faith into Barrack Hussein Obama's rhetoric. He has the most liberal voting record, which is just beyond belief. If you're all about expanding government, then that's your thing. Do you want more government in your life? Is that what you want? Also, making people dependent on government aid only creates more poverty, thus inner city life would not change, even though Barrack Hussein Obama pretends that he wants to change it. His policies contradict his rhetoric.

Haha, yes more government is sooo awesome.:roll: More government aid = more poverty. This isn't up for debate. When you make people dependent on government aid, then they will keep mooching. It's a vicious cycle that won't stop, unless we vote with intelligence, because more aid is not the solution. It's a horrible idea. Barrack Hussein Obama is the definition of big government, Half-Life 2 styIe. If you want big brother, then you can go vote for the most far left liberal, but people aren't going to vote for him come the general election. Also, he got like an F by the NRA, so that means middle cIass democrats will vote for the McCain (Reagan democrats).

[QUOTE="zidane345"]

so lets elect different for the sake of doing something different, brilliant

Andrew_Xavier

Or, elect different for the sake of the same causing an economic recession, and commiting terrorist acts around the World with a massive military and a bunch of bomb strikes? Seems like a good reason to go different.

people buying houses they can't afford and going into credit card debt up to there eye balls is the reason for the recession not to mention congress spending money on every single silly little special interest that comes there way and what terrorist acts have the military been performing that i can't recall? go make up stories some place else

[QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"][QUOTE="zidane345"]

so lets elect different for the sake of doing something different, brilliant

zidane345

Or, elect different for the sake of the same causing an economic recession, and commiting terrorist acts around the World with a massive military and a bunch of bomb strikes? Seems like a good reason to go different.

people buying houses they can't afford and going into credit card debt up to there eye balls is the reason for the recession and what terrorist acts have the military been performing that i can't recall? go make up stories some place else

... I don't see how you could make the comparison. If anything, McCain is the 360, because he'll break a few years after purchase... he's almost 80 years old anyway.

If anything, Obama is the Wii... but I still don't think videogame and political analogies are anything but bogus.

AmyMizuno

LMAO! at the Mcain breaking down like the 360 part.

Obama doesn't break down every once and a while, so, no, he isn't like the 360, he is more like the Dreamcast, clearly the best choice, but not enough people have realized it yet.

Clinton is more like the Atari Jaguar, overpriced and full of bugs, which no actual substance, and a fake shiny case.

Andrew_Xavier

"Kudos" for obviously being an Obama supporter AND a Dreamcast fan.

"Booo!" for hating on the 360.

:)

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

[QUOTE="Gh0st_Of_0nyx"]No its pretty much right he can go around tryoing to convince people he isnt but his policy's and rhetoric are very bushlike. America dosent need 4 more years of more of the same they need something different and by different I mean democrat :wink:
Gh0st_Of_0nyx

You put too much faith into Barrack Hussein Obama's rhetoric. He has the most liberal voting record, which is just beyond belief. If you're all about expanding government, then that's your thing. Do you want more government in your life? Is that what you want? Also, making people dependent on government aid only creates more poverty, thus inner city life would not change, even though Barrack Hussein Obama pretends that he wants to change it. His policies contradict his rhetoric.

Sorry dude, gas prices are never gonna go down.

But I see that as a good thing.

Alternate fuel sources FTW.

mccain is the wii

in the lead, pedicted to win, but real voters know not to vote for him for whats on the "inside"Ze_ALEX

Predicted to win? If a Republican wins office this time, the Democrats better just close up shop. There is almost NO way. I dont think the Republicans even expect a republican to win. Thats why they are going with a former independent.

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"][QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"]

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]Say no to liberals. McCain (Wii) '08! Barrack Hussein Obama is the worst choice, though.Andrew_Xavier

Yup! Say yes to conservatives! Bombing foreign Countries and economic depression are where it's at! Human rights are stupid :cry:

We'd all love to live in a perfect world, but the fact is that we have enemies. Also, you can blame the democratic congress for holding up bills that would help the economy.

Ah yeah, enemies you funded a few years ago? Those enemies?

But yeah, it's cool, let's say I don't like "Phil", so, instead of telling "Phil", I kill his whole family, and the entire neighbourhood he lives in, not because they know him, because they are there, but, it's cool, because I make up lies and say they all had nukes in their basemints, they don't, but, it's cool, because now I'm "liberating" them *aka, well known terrorist term #8*. Now, I'm not a murderer, or a genocidal maniac, because I say so. Remind you of something?

Do innocent lives get lost at war? Yes. Is is worth it in the end? Yes. With a dictator like Saddam Hussein in power and terrorist organizations spreading throughout the region, the most ridiculous thing the United States could do is pull out. It's our soldiers and their civilians whos lives will be lost in vain if we pull out prematurely. Horrible idea. Barrack Hussein Obama wants to give the land to terrorist organizations, which will create even more of a mess and lost lives.

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]Say no to liberals. McCain (Wii) '08! Barrack Hussein Obama is the worst choice, though.Andrew_Xavier

Yup! Say yes to conservatives! Bombing foreign Countries and economic depression are where it's at! Human rights are stupid :cry:

Way to group conservatives into one big group, not all conservatives follow Bush. For 2008, I am learning toward McCain. Obama is too far left, although not all that happy with McCain. May vote Libertarianism for 2008.

[QUOTE="zidane345"][QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"][QUOTE="zidane345"]

so lets elect different for the sake of doing something different, brilliant

Vandalvideo

Or, elect different for the sake of the same causing an economic recession, and commiting terrorist acts around the World with a massive military and a bunch of bomb strikes? Seems like a good reason to go different.

people buying houses they can't afford and going into credit card debt up to there eye balls is the reason for the recession and what terrorist acts have the military been performing that i can't recall? go make up stories some place else

Bombings tickle, didn't you know?

Bombing elementary schools and the like helps people be free!

Do innocent lives get lost at war? Yes. Is is worth it in the end? Yes. With a dictator like Saddam Hussein in power and terrorist organizations spreading throughout the region, the most ridiculous thing the United States could do is pull out. It's our soldiers and their civilians whos lives will be lost in vain if we pull out prematurely. Horrible idea.BioShockOwnz

[QUOTE="Gh0st_Of_0nyx"][QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

[QUOTE="Gh0st_Of_0nyx"]No its pretty much right he can go around tryoing to convince people he isnt but his policy's and rhetoric are very bushlike. America dosent need 4 more years of more of the same they need something different and by different I mean democrat :wink:
BioShockOwnz

You put too much faith into Barrack Hussein Obama's rhetoric. He has the most liberal voting record, which is just beyond belief. If you're all about expanding government, then that's your thing. Do you want more government in your life? Is that what you want? Also, making people dependent on government aid only creates more poverty, thus inner city life would not change, even though Barrack Hussein Obama pretends that he wants to change it. His policies contradict his rhetoric.

Haha, yes more government is sooo awesome.:roll: More government aid = more poverty. This isn't up for debate. When you make people dependent on government aid, then they will keep mooching. It's a vicious cycle that won't stop, unless we vote with intelligence, because more aid is not the solution. It's a horrible idea. Barrack Hussein Obama is the definition of big government, Half-Life 2 styIe If you want big brother, then you can go vote for the most far left liberal, but people aren't going to vote for him come the general election. Also, he got like an F by the NRA, so that means middle cIass democrats will vote for the McCain (Reagan democrats).

Off-tpic- Why cant we spell cIass ?? :?

wii = ron paulTamarind_Face

Man, it's too bad he didn't get in. :( I just saw him at the University of Pittsburgh last month.

So neocons still think its somehow relevant that Obama's middle name is Hussein and that "Obama" and "Hillary" sound vaguely like "Osama" and "Hitler"?

You realise we could do the same with John McCain, right?

[QUOTE="zidane345"][QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"][QUOTE="zidane345"]

so lets elect different for the sake of doing something different, brilliant

Vandalvideo

Or, elect different for the sake of the same causing an economic recession, and commiting terrorist acts around the World with a massive military and a bunch of bomb strikes? Seems like a good reason to go different.

people buying houses they can't afford and going into credit card debt up to there eye balls is the reason for the recession and what terrorist acts have the military been performing that i can't recall? go make up stories some place else

if it is to gain information and being able to prevent another 9/11 then so be unless you honestly think that dealing with people that think they will be highly reward in the afterlife, much more then any thing they can accomplish in there lifetime in the world, will talk by asking them questions face to face

Say no to liberals. McCain (Wii) '08! Barrack Hussein Obama is the worst choice, though.BioShockOwnz

[QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"][QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"][QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"]

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]Say no to liberals. McCain (Wii) '08! Barrack Hussein Obama is the worst choice, though.BioShockOwnz

Yup! Say yes to conservatives! Bombing foreign Countries and economic depression are where it's at! Human rights are stupid :cry:

We'd all love to live in a perfect world, but the fact is that we have enemies. Also, you can blame the democratic congress for holding up bills that would help the economy.

Ah yeah, enemies you funded a few years ago? Those enemies?

But yeah, it's cool, let's say I don't like "Phil", so, instead of telling "Phil", I kill his whole family, and the entire neighbourhood he lives in, not because they know him, because they are there, but, it's cool, because I make up lies and say they all had nukes in their basemints, they don't, but, it's cool, because now I'm "liberating" them *aka, well known terrorist term #8*. Now, I'm not a murderer, or a genocidal maniac, because I say so. Remind you of something?

Do innocent lives get lost at war? Yes. Is is worth it in the end? Yes. With a dictator like Saddam Hussein in power and terrorist organizations spreading throughout the region, the most ridiculous thing the United States could do is pull out. It's our soldiers and their civilians whos lives will be lost in vain if we pull out prematurely. Horrible idea. Barrack Hussein Obama wants to give the land to terrorist organizations, which will create even more of a mess and lost lives.

Who has killed more, Bush or Saddam? Bush? Thought so.

You realize that Bush started the war, claiming they had WMDs and were responsible for 9/11, both lies.

Dictators who torture their subjects, actually have WMDs, but no oil, are left alone, while oil rich Countries are bombed and WMD sites like...elementary schools...are targeted? Nice. Nice.

Terrorist organizations? Like the current American administration? That'd be a shame.

You realize the Americans funded saddam yes? You need to look into it a bit more. Bush Sr. pulled the same crap, was called "Desert Storm", less people died.

if it is to gain information and being able to prevent another 9/11 then so be unless you honestly think that dealing with people that think they will be highly reward, much more then any thing they can accomplish in there lifetime in the world, will talk by asking them questions face to facezidane345

Do you honestly belive that middle cIass democrats (such as myself) will vote for bush 2 ?? Your watching to much cable new's and buying into the polls if you think that. Im not saying the govt musthelp us ALL the time im saying in ties of crysis like now we need the govt to help more then ever. Govt aid helped in the depression I dont see why it cant help now with prices of nearly everything rising. Mcbush's economic policys follow presidents bush's failed policy;s of the past giving tax breaks to the wealthy REALLY helped us middle working ****folk out :roll: Are you saying you want more of that failure of an economic policy ?

Off-tpic- Why cant we spell cIass ?? :?

Gh0st_Of_0nyx

I'm not the one watching too much news, or I'd become a sheep, too. They praise Barrack Hussein Obama. His affiliation for 20 years with a racist and anti-american preacher who he called a mentor, named his book after (The Audacity of Hope), had his children baptized by, and him and his wife were married by -- this worries a lot of people. We really don't know who the man is. He speaks elegant rhetoric, but his dad was a bigot and so is his former preacher, which had a ton of inspiration on his life. I don't buy Barrack Hussein Obama one bit.

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"][QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"][QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"][QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"]

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]Say no to liberals. McCain (Wii) '08! Barrack Hussein Obama is the worst choice, though.Andrew_Xavier

Yup! Say yes to conservatives! Bombing foreign Countries and economic depression are where it's at! Human rights are stupid :cry:

We'd all love to live in a perfect world, but the fact is that we have enemies. Also, you can blame the democratic congress for holding up bills that would help the economy.

Ah yeah, enemies you funded a few years ago? Those enemies?

But yeah, it's cool, let's say I don't like "Phil", so, instead of telling "Phil", I kill his whole family, and the entire neighbourhood he lives in, not because they know him, because they are there, but, it's cool, because I make up lies and say they all had nukes in their basemints, they don't, but, it's cool, because now I'm "liberating" them *aka, well known terrorist term #8*. Now, I'm not a murderer, or a genocidal maniac, because I say so. Remind you of something?

Do innocent lives get lost at war? Yes. Is is worth it in the end? Yes. With a dictator like Saddam Hussein in power and terrorist organizations spreading throughout the region, the most ridiculous thing the United States could do is pull out. It's our soldiers and their civilians whos lives will be lost in vain if we pull out prematurely. Horrible idea. Barrack Hussein Obama wants to give the land to terrorist organizations, which will create even more of a mess and lost lives.

Who has killed more, Bush or Saddam? Bush? Thought so.

You realize that Bush started the war, claiming they had WMDs and were responsible for 9/11, both lies.

Dictators who torture their subjects, actually have WMDs, but no oil, are left alone, while oil rich Countries are bombed and WMD sites like...elementary schools...are targeted? Nice. Nice.

Terrorist organizations? Like the current American administration? That'd be a shame.

You realize the Americans funded saddam yes? You need to look into it a bit more. Bush Sr. pulled the same crap, was called "Desert Storm", less people died.

George W. Bush didnt kill anyone.

Who has killed more, Bush or Saddam? Bush? Thought so.

You realize that Bush started the war, claiming they had WMDs and were responsible for 9/11, both lies.

Dictators who torture their subjects, actually have WMDs, but no oil, are left alone, while oil rich Countries are bombed and WMD sites like...elementary schools...are targeted? Nice. Nice.

Terrorist organizations? Like the current American administration? That'd be a shame.

You realize the Americans funded saddam yes? You need to look into it a bit more. Bush Sr. pulled the same crap, was called "Desert Storm", less people died.

Andrew_Xavier

I know all of this and I thought your way at once, too. It was a lie that got us into war and Bush has been a foreign policy disaster, but we're too deep in the mess now. Now we have to clean up the mess that we created.

And as the above poster said, Bush didn't kill anyone. Saddam killed people and their lives were taken in vain. We are liberating a country that would have suffered worse if we hadn't.

if it is to gain information and being able to prevent another 9/11 then so be unless you honestly think that dealing with people that think they will be highly reward in the afterlife, much more then any thing they can accomplish in there lifetime in the world, will talk by asking them questions face to face

zidane345

Torture is never okay, even if its done to brown-skinned people whose names you can't pronounce.

And If they're so sure they're terrorists, why don't they charge them? Ever heard of due process? or is that not American enough for you?

[QUOTE="Gh0st_Of_0nyx"]Do you honestly belive that middle cIass democrats (such as myself) will vote for bush 2 ?? Your watching to much cable new's and buying into the polls if you think that. Im not saying the govt musthelp us ALL the time im saying in ties of crysis like now we need the govt to help more then ever. Govt aid helped in the depression I dont see why it cant help now with prices of nearly everything rising. Mcbush's economic policys follow presidents bush's failed policy;s of the past giving tax breaks to the wealthy REALLY helped us middle working ****folk out :roll: Are you saying you want more of that failure of an economic policy ?

Off-tpic- Why cant we spell cIass ?? :?

BioShockOwnz

I'm not the one watching too much news, or I'd become a sheep, too. They praise Barrack Hussein Obama. His affiliation for 20 years with a racist and anti-american preacher who he called a mentor, named his book after (The Audacity of Hope), had his children baptized by, and him and his wife were married by -- this worries a lot of people. We really don't know who the man is. He speaks elegant rhetoric, but his dad was a bigot and so is his former preacher, which had a ton of inspiration on his life. I don't buy Barrack Hussein Obama one bit.

Rev wright isnt obama so the fact that you think obama = rev wright in ideals shos you do pay to much attention to the news. If I were republican I would of picked a better candidate in the priarys like ron paul or huckabee not this Bush Jr.

and PC is the Freemasonary, the true rulers of America

but seriously, you guys need to stop drinking the kool aid, Obama has absolutly no substance at all, all he has is speechs you are going to elect our next president because he can talk well, come on lets use our brains for once

zidane345

I think the "Obama has no substance" line is tired. He has a view on everything, and his judgement seems more sound than the others at that.

Do you honestly belive that middle cIass democrats (such as myself) will vote for bush 2 ?? Your watching to much cable new's and buying into the polls if you think that. Im not saying the govt musthelp us ALL the time im saying in ties of crysis like now we need the govt to help more then ever. Govt aid helped in the depression I dont see why it cant help now with prices of nearly everything rising. Mcbush's economic policys follow presidents bush's failed policy;s of the past giving tax breaks to the wealthy REALLY helped us middle working cIass folk out :roll: Are you saying you want more of that failure of an economic policy ?

Off-tpic- Why cant we spell cIass ?? :?

Gh0st_Of_0nyx

The wealthy shouldnt be taxed more, just so the poor can get more money.

They earned their share.

[QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"]Who has killed more, Bush or Saddam? Bush? Thought so.

You realize that Bush started the war, claiming they had WMDs and were responsible for 9/11, both lies.

Dictators who torture their subjects, actually have WMDs, but no oil, are left alone, while oil rich Countries are bombed and WMD sites like...elementary schools...are targeted? Nice. Nice.

Terrorist organizations? Like the current American administration? That'd be a shame.

You realize the Americans funded saddam yes? You need to look into it a bit more. Bush Sr. pulled the same crap, was called "Desert Storm", less people died.

BioShockOwnz

I know all of this and I thought your way at once, too. It was a lie that got us into war and Bush has been a foreign policy disaster, but we're too deep in the mess now. Now we have to clean up the mess that we created.

Which is why you vote for the only candidate with a strategy that involves the term "exit". With McCain, you get a continued "war", which serves to FURTHER destabilize a region, that you know you guys destabilized...Adolf Clinton there is evil, and will probably eat their babies or something, something very creepy about that woman, she's like Rosemary's baby or something...

[QUOTE="zidane345"]

and PC is the Freemasonary, the true rulers of America

but seriously, you guys need to stop drinking the kool aid, Obama has absolutly no substance at all, all he has is speechs you are going to elect our next president because he can talk well, come on lets use our brains for once

TBoogy

I think the "Obama has no substance" line is tired. He has a view on everything, and his judgement seems more sound than the others at that.

I guess that's why he stayed in Wright's church for 20 years.:roll: Great judgment!

[QUOTE="zidane345"]

if it is to gain information and being able to prevent another 9/11 then so be unless you honestly think that dealing with people that think they will be highly reward in the afterlife, much more then any thing they can accomplish in there lifetime in the world, will talk by asking them questions face to face

creepy_mike

Torture is never okay, even if its done to brown-skinned people whose names you can't pronounce.

And If they're so sure they're terrorists, why don't they charge them? Ever heard of due process? or is that not American enough for you?

Torture is ok if its done right.

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"][QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"]Who has killed more, Bush or Saddam? Bush? Thought so.

You realize that Bush started the war, claiming they had WMDs and were responsible for 9/11, both lies.

Dictators who torture their subjects, actually have WMDs, but no oil, are left alone, while oil rich Countries are bombed and WMD sites like...elementary schools...are targeted? Nice. Nice.

Terrorist organizations? Like the current American administration? That'd be a shame.

You realize the Americans funded saddam yes? You need to look into it a bit more. Bush Sr. pulled the same crap, was called "Desert Storm", less people died.

Andrew_Xavier

I know all of this and I thought your way at once, too. It was a lie that got us into war and Bush has been a foreign policy disaster, but we're too deep in the mess now. Now we have to clean up the mess that we created.

Which is why you vote for the only candidate with a strategy that involves the term "exit". With McCain, you get a continued "war", which serves to FURTHER destabilize a region, that you know you guys destabilized...Adolf Clinton there is evil, and will probably eat their babies or something, something very creepy about that woman, she's like Rosemary's baby or something...

what strategy is that, run and hope that we won't have to go back, Obama has changed his timeline on the war in iraq many times

[QUOTE="creepy_mike"][QUOTE="zidane345"]

if it is to gain information and being able to prevent another 9/11 then so be unless you honestly think that dealing with people that think they will be highly reward in the afterlife, much more then any thing they can accomplish in there lifetime in the world, will talk by asking them questions face to face

kool-aids

Torture is never okay, even if its done to brown-skinned people whose names you can't pronounce.

And If they're so sure they're terrorists, why don't they charge them? Ever heard of due process? or is that not American enough for you?

Torture is ok if its done right.

What you are thinking of is consensual, not torture :P

Torture is never right.

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

[QUOTE="Gh0st_Of_0nyx"]No its pretty much right he can go around tryoing to convince people he isnt but his policy's and rhetoric are very bushlike. America dosent need 4 more years of more of the same they need something different and by different I mean democrat :wink:
Gh0st_Of_0nyx

You put too much faith into Barrack Hussein Obama's rhetoric. He has the most liberal voting record, which is just beyond belief. If you're all about expanding government, then that's your thing. Do you want more government in your life? Is that what you want? Also, making people dependent on government aid only creates more poverty, thus inner city life would not change, even though Barrack Hussein Obama pretends that he wants to change it. His policies contradict his rhetoric.

Yeah, that'd be great if the govt could lower gas prices. Maybe they can try and lock the price like they did in the 1970's, that worked out great didn't it?.......... Oh wait, that's right, the oil companies lost money and quit producing so much causing a fuel shortage and gas lines that were blocks long.

If you don't learn from history you are doomed to repeat it.

If you truly want to blame somebody go back to the Clinton administration. He refused to back a bill allowing the building of more refineries and oil platforms in the Gulf of Mexico that would have lessened our dependence on foreign oil. His reasoning: " the country wouldn't see any benefit for over a decade" Well guess what, it's been a decade and after Katrina took out many gulf refineries and platforms it sure would have been nice to have a few more wouldn't it?

Blame whatever party and administration you want, trust me, there's more then enough blame to go around for everyone.

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"][QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"]Who has killed more, Bush or Saddam? Bush? Thought so.

You realize that Bush started the war, claiming they had WMDs and were responsible for 9/11, both lies.

Dictators who torture their subjects, actually have WMDs, but no oil, are left alone, while oil rich Countries are bombed and WMD sites like...elementary schools...are targeted? Nice. Nice.

Terrorist organizations? Like the current American administration? That'd be a shame.

You realize the Americans funded saddam yes? You need to look into it a bit more. Bush Sr. pulled the same crap, was called "Desert Storm", less people died.

Andrew_Xavier

I know all of this and I thought your way at once, too. It was a lie that got us into war and Bush has been a foreign policy disaster, but we're too deep in the mess now. Now we have to clean up the mess that we created.

Which is why you vote for the only candidate with a strategy that involves the term "exit". With McCain, you get a continued "war", which serves to FURTHER destabilize a region, that you know you guys destabilized...Adolf Clinton there is evil, and will probably eat their babies or something, something very creepy about that woman, she's like Rosemary's baby or something...

You put too much faith into Barrack Hussein Obama, a politician. I don't want an exit strategy. Worst freaking idea ever. Innocent Iraqi's would be demolished, then Iran and Hezzbollah could take over the region, making it one of the biggest terrorist safe havens. We made a mess, we must clean it up, and McCain will do that.

[QUOTE="creepy_mike"][QUOTE="zidane345"]

if it is to gain information and being able to prevent another 9/11 then so be unless you honestly think that dealing with people that think they will be highly reward in the afterlife, much more then any thing they can accomplish in there lifetime in the world, will talk by asking them questions face to face

kool-aids

Torture is never okay, even if its done to brown-skinned people whose names you can't pronounce.

And If they're so sure they're terrorists, why don't they charge them? Ever heard of due process? or is that not American enough for you?

Torture is ok if its done right.

[QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"][QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"][QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"]Who has killed more, Bush or Saddam? Bush? Thought so.

You realize that Bush started the war, claiming they had WMDs and were responsible for 9/11, both lies.

Dictators who torture their subjects, actually have WMDs, but no oil, are left alone, while oil rich Countries are bombed and WMD sites like...elementary schools...are targeted? Nice. Nice.

Terrorist organizations? Like the current American administration? That'd be a shame.

You realize the Americans funded saddam yes? You need to look into it a bit more. Bush Sr. pulled the same crap, was called "Desert Storm", less people died.

zidane345

I know all of this and I thought your way at once, too. It was a lie that got us into war and Bush has been a foreign policy disaster, but we're too deep in the mess now. Now we have to clean up the mess that we created.

Which is why you vote for the only candidate with a strategy that involves the term "exit". With McCain, you get a continued "war", which serves to FURTHER destabilize a region, that you know you guys destabilized...Adolf Clinton there is evil, and will probably eat their babies or something, something very creepy about that woman, she's like Rosemary's baby or something...

what strategy is that, run and hope that we won't have to go back, Obama has changed his timeline on the war in iraq many times

I think his 5 year plan is realistic, and of course he has to, you destabilize the region further every day.

You know, the first war Canada has ever refused you help in? Is the Iraq war. Right when it started, we said "No, we don't want any part of that" for the first time. That tells you something.

[QUOTE="kool-aids"][QUOTE="creepy_mike"][QUOTE="zidane345"]

if it is to gain information and being able to prevent another 9/11 then so be unless you honestly think that dealing with people that think they will be highly reward in the afterlife, much more then any thing they can accomplish in there lifetime in the world, will talk by asking them questions face to face

Vandalvideo

Torture is never okay, even if its done to brown-skinned people whose names you can't pronounce.

And If they're so sure they're terrorists, why don't they charge them? Ever heard of due process? or is that not American enough for you?

Torture is ok if its done right.

you honeslty think al-qaud(sp) or any of the other islamic radicals follows the Geneva conventions?

[QUOTE="creepy_mike"][QUOTE="zidane345"]

if it is to gain information and being able to prevent another 9/11 then so be unless you honestly think that dealing with people that think they will be highly reward in the afterlife, much more then any thing they can accomplish in there lifetime in the world, will talk by asking them questions face to face

kool-aids

Torture is never okay, even if its done to brown-skinned people whose names you can't pronounce.

And If they're so sure they're terrorists, why don't they charge them? Ever heard of due process? or is that not American enough for you?

Torture is ok if its done right.

Define "right". Then get out of my country.

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"][QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"]Who has killed more, Bush or Saddam? Bush? Thought so.

You realize that Bush started the war, claiming they had WMDs and were responsible for 9/11, both lies.

Dictators who torture their subjects, actually have WMDs, but no oil, are left alone, while oil rich Countries are bombed and WMD sites like...elementary schools...are targeted? Nice. Nice.

Terrorist organizations? Like the current American administration? That'd be a shame.

You realize the Americans funded saddam yes? You need to look into it a bit more. Bush Sr. pulled the same crap, was called "Desert Storm", less people died.

Andrew_Xavier

I know all of this and I thought your way at once, too. It was a lie that got us into war and Bush has been a foreign policy disaster, but we're too deep in the mess now. Now we have to clean up the mess that we created.

Which is why you vote for the only candidate with a strategy that involves the term "exit". With McCain, you get a continued "war", which serves to FURTHER destabilize a region, that you know you guys destabilized...Adolf Clinton there is evil, and will probably eat their babies or something, something very creepy about that woman, she's like Rosemary's baby or something...

Also, it's written that the anti-christ will be born from sin and he'll be from another country. ;)

[QUOTE="kool-aids"][QUOTE="creepy_mike"][QUOTE="zidane345"]

if it is to gain information and being able to prevent another 9/11 then so be unless you honestly think that dealing with people that think they will be highly reward in the afterlife, much more then any thing they can accomplish in there lifetime in the world, will talk by asking them questions face to face

Vandalvideo

Torture is never okay, even if its done to brown-skinned people whose names you can't pronounce.

And If they're so sure they're terrorists, why don't they charge them? Ever heard of due process? or is that not American enough for you?

Torture is ok if its done right.

Ahh, the rules of war.

No one follows them.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="kool-aids"][QUOTE="creepy_mike"][QUOTE="zidane345"]

if it is to gain information and being able to prevent another 9/11 then so be unless you honestly think that dealing with people that think they will be highly reward in the afterlife, much more then any thing they can accomplish in there lifetime in the world, will talk by asking them questions face to face

zidane345

Torture is never okay, even if its done to brown-skinned people whose names you can't pronounce.

And If they're so sure they're terrorists, why don't they charge them? Ever heard of due process? or is that not American enough for you?

Torture is ok if its done right.

you honeslty think al-qaud(sp) or any of the other islamic radicals follows the Geneva conventions?

You honestly think we should be more like Al Queda?

Define "right". Then get out of my country.creepy_mike

I think torture is perfectly fine.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="kool-aids"][QUOTE="creepy_mike"][QUOTE="zidane345"]

if it is to gain information and being able to prevent another 9/11 then so be unless you honestly think that dealing with people that think they will be highly reward in the afterlife, much more then any thing they can accomplish in there lifetime in the world, will talk by asking them questions face to face

zidane345

Torture is never okay, even if its done to brown-skinned people whose names you can't pronounce.

And If they're so sure they're terrorists, why don't they charge them? Ever heard of due process? or is that not American enough for you?

Torture is ok if its done right.

you honeslty think al-qaud(sp) or any of the other islamic radicals follows the Geneva conventions?

It doesn't matter if they don't follow them, we should. Otherwise we're no better. And this is coming from a conservative Republican millitary vet. Bush was dead wrong in trying to weasel his way around flat out banning any forms of torture.

You honestly think we should be more like Al Queda?

creepy_mike

You mean flying around bombing Countries for no real reason, lying to your followers so that they support you, and torturing your prisoners? Like that?

...

Hey, wait a minute....

[QUOTE="zidane345"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="kool-aids"][QUOTE="creepy_mike"][QUOTE="zidane345"]

if it is to gain information and being able to prevent another 9/11 then so be unless you honestly think that dealing with people that think they will be highly reward in the afterlife, much more then any thing they can accomplish in there lifetime in the world, will talk by asking them questions face to face

creepy_mike

Torture is never okay, even if its done to brown-skinned people whose names you can't pronounce.

And If they're so sure they're terrorists, why don't they charge them? Ever heard of due process? or is that not American enough for you?

Torture is ok if its done right.

you honeslty think al-qaud(sp) or any of the other islamic radicals follows the Geneva conventions?

You honestly think we should be more like Al Queda?

no, do you?

don't remember ever saying that or giving that assumption