PS3's dead (in the water).

Edit: Because I'm being roasted like a steak on a grill, I've changed it to read "The PS3's dead in the water", which is more what I meant. I'm sorry people mis-understood, but I'm talking about sales here... not quality of games. I've also left out some games (GoW III, GT5, etc.), but I feel that the situation is unchanged, especially for GT5, in which it already is competing with a better quality Forza 2.

That's right. The PS3 is dead (in the water). I've listed the games that people are saying will save the console... and then I'm saying why they won't.

- Final Fantasy XIII will save the console.

Final Fantasy XIII does look to be an outstanding game... but, remember that Final Fantasy XII sold 3.68 million. Even if the new one does reach the numbers of Final Fantasy X (which reached over 5 million), it still won't move enough consoles to save to PS3. Judging by the current numbers (the latest NPD numbers), it should be obvious that even five million won't be enough to catch up to the 360. And that's inferring that every person buying the new Final Fantasy didn't own the PS3 previously.

- Metal Gear Solid 4 will save the console.

Just like the new Final Fantasy, MGS4 looks to be an incredible game... but, remember that the previous installment sold 3.6 million (about the same number as FFXII). Yet again, those sort of numbers won't be enough to move the number of consoles needed to overtake the 360 and the Wii -- and that's inferring again, that every person buying it hasn't owned the PS3. Again, it's just not enough consoles being moved.

- LittleBigPlanet will save the console.

Though it looks like a totally amazing and unique experience, in my idea, it looks more akin to what's going on with Zack & Wiki on the Wii. Though it's been critically acclaimed, Zack has barely sold any units... and it looks like that's what'll happen to LittleBigPlanet. When people buy the PS3, most of the games they want fit into the Final Fantasy and MGS4 categories... these sort of games, though fun, look to flounder in that sort of market (my opinion of course, though).

I just can't see the PS3 finding any success in the near future, despite the high caliber titles coming out for it. I didn't even bother to mention Haze... just like the other games, it looks like it'll be a critical success, but if Crysis couldn't sell well... why would Haze? Even so... "gamers" are still fixed on their Halo. And that might not change anytime soon.

So, with the high price of a PS3, games that won't sell enough to save it, and numbers that are less than it's older counterpart (the PS2) in sales... I say this with confidence:

The PS3 is dead (in the water).

Sony is doing a lot to try and get back in this thing

-numerous price drops, possibly more

-more games are coming. Most of the best 360 games are multiplat to ps3

-bluray is gaining popularity

but right now the 360 is keeping the ps3 alive and might actually hand over its position in the market.

-XBL costs money

-the 360 will carry the image of being a shoddy product, long after RROD issues are solved (hint, those issues are still unsolved)

for being dead my PS3 gets alot of playing time,now tell me why is that?shaggyaz

Zombie.

[QUOTE="shaggyaz"]for being dead my PS3 gets alot of playing time,now tell me why is that?james28893

Zombie.

Says the HD-DVD supporter. :roll:Cedmln

Haha... I'll be the first to admit the HD-DVD's screwed. I just bought a Toshiba computer... and, yeah. I'm thinking about buying a Blu-Ray player. :D

Not really. Where's KZ2? OR Res2? Or GT5?james28893

GT5 is already covered by Forza 2 -- there's no damage in the GT series (or this game), and it probably won't sell very well... unless, of course, people have already gotten over there love of Forza. Killzone 2 sort of fits in with Haze -- it looks like it'll be a polished game, but how much more room do people have for shooters in their libraries when most of the people who'd buy it are already hooked on Halo?

And God of War III? ... alright, I can't deny that one. People may buy the PS3 -- but with how far down the PS3 already is, even if the new GoW did sell around five million (saying that about half of them were bought with new consoles), would that even begin to catch up with the numbers of the 360?

The problem for Sony is that they have to dig themselves out of a hole. If they had started with a better supply of their systems and a better launch lineup, we might not even be talking about this now.

[QUOTE="james28893"]

[QUOTE="shaggyaz"]for being dead my PS3 gets alot of playing time,now tell me why is that?GunSmith1_basic

Zombie.

But then get wiped out by the shotgun and chainsaw.

you've complimented all these games, and then given really naff reasons for why they wont "save" the ps3, you seem to be saying that these games will sell really well, but not enough to take ps3 sales past the xbox 360 or wii, so why does that mean its dead? the only thing you've managed to do well is say the ps3 has great games coming out that will sell well, your plan backfired there a bit by the looks of it.

Says the HD-DVD supporter. :roll:Cedmln

but i didnt know ps3 passed away TC. i guess the 360 is dead in japan by your logic lol.

Take a crack at Gran Tursimo 5 , Sony's most popular game series.

That's right. The PS3 is dead. I've listed the games that people are saying will save the console... and then I'm saying why they won't.

- Final Fantasy XIII will save the console.

Final Fantasy XIII does look to be an outstanding game... but, remember that Final Fantasy XII sold 3.68 million. Even if the new one does reach the numbers of Final Fantasy X (which reached over 5 million), it still won't move enough consoles to save to PS3. Judging by the current numbers (the latest NPD numbers), it should be obvious that even five million won't be enough to catch up to the 360. And that's inferring that every person buying the new Final Fantasy didn't own the PS3 previously.

- Metal Gear Solid 4 will save the console.

Just like the new Final Fantasy, MGS4 looks to be an incredible game... but, remember that the previous installment sold 3.6 million (about the same number as FFXII). Yet again, those sort of numbers won't be enough to move the number of consoles needed to overtake the 360 and the Wii -- and that's inferring again, that every person buying it hasn't owned the PS3. Again, it's just not enough consoles being moved.

- LittleBigPlanet will save the console.

Though it looks like a totally amazing and unique experience, in my idea, it looks more akin to what's going on with Zack & Wiki on the Wii. Though it's been critically acclaimed, Zack has barely sold any units... and it looks like that's what'll happen to LittleBigPlanet. When people buy the PS3, most of the games they want fit into the Final Fantasy and MGS4 categories... these sort of games, though fun, look to flounder in that sort of market (my opinion of course, though).

I just can't see the PS3 finding any success in the near future, despite the high caliber titles coming out for it. I didn't even bother to mention Haze... just like the other games, it looks like it'll be a critical success, but if Crysis couldn't sell well... why would Haze? Even so... "gamers" are still fixed on their Halo. And that might not change anytime soon.

So, with the high price of a PS3, games that won't sell enough to save it, and numbers that are less than it's older counterpart (the PS2) in sales... I say this with confidence:

The PS3 is dead.

mariofan22

What you have laughably failed to realize is that, although one game cannot save a console, it is the collective lineup of games that determines a console's success or lack thereof. Lemmings are consistently boasting about the 360's vast library of games. You never hear anybody saying that Halo 3 or Bioshock or Mass Effect were the sole reason for the 360's success. It is the combination of those aforementioned titles (and more) that have contributed to the console's success.In 2008, the PS3 is getting many fantastic games that, collectively, will "save" a console that, realistically speaking, doesn't need saving at all.

Your logic is flawed.

last place =/= deadCaseyWegner

Case in point. Gamecube was last place in the last generation. That didn't make it "dead" Seriously, where do people get the idea that a product selling less than the competition makes it dead? As long as it's on the market and being supported by devs and consumers, it's very much alive, market share not withstanding.

Take a crack at Gran Tursimo 5 , Sony's most popular game series.Nike_Air

I did on the second page. :D

I myself even owned GT4... but, with Forza 2 out there, will people pay the money for an entire new racing game? Maybe in Japan, but I don't think it'll fall on the usual crowd here in the US and Europe.

[QUOTE="Cedmln"]Says the HD-DVD supporter. :roll:ghoulsandghost

but i didnt know ps3 passed away TC. i guess the 360 is dead in japan by your logic lol.

Uh, yeah, it sort of is. It barely even registers on the sales charts over there. And... I'm pretty pissed about the HD DVD stuff... I'll have to buy a Blu-ray player now (my computer came with HD-DVD built in). :D

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]last place =/= deadAdobeArtist

Case in point. Gamecube was last place in the last generation. That didn't make it "dead" Seriously, where do people get the idea that a product selling less than the competition makes it dead? As long as it's on the market and being supported by devs and consumers, it's very much alive, market share not withstanding.

When I'm saying, "Dead", I don't mean that it's going to vanish. It'll probably be around for another few years. What I'm saying, is that it's "Dead in the water" (... probably should've used that in the title). Even with new titles and and good quality games, I don't think its sales situation will change, and I think developers will be more attracted to the Wii and the 360 in the long run.

So, while the PS3 will still easily be alive in the water tomorrow, I think that Sony will be the first company to make their new console, and I think they'll try to get a 360-like start on the competition come the next generation.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]last place =/= deadAdobeArtist

Case in point. Gamecube was last place in the last generation. That didn't make it "dead" Seriously, where do people get the idea that a product selling less than the competition makes it dead? As long as it's on the market and being supported by devs and consumers, it's very much alive, market share not withstanding.

These are both great points. The TC's argument is like saying Mac OSX is dead. Windows dominates the market, but Apple has found its niche audience and they are doing extremely well with it. Apple also has its hands in many other markets with a variety of products, just like Sony.

I didn't really see any reason as to why the PS3 is dead... just your opinion on games not being able to "save" the console from death, when in actuality it is far from dead. And those last paragraphs weren't really reasons as to why the system was dead: high price is bad for some, but many people are buying it and its only $400 now which is a great price for what you get.

And just the PS3 has less numbers than its PS2 counterpart maybe because the PS2 has been out for quite a long time, still has a few titles coming to the console and has a $130 (?) price tag.

PS3 is selling well and gaining popularity, I'm guessin FFXIII will move a lot of consoles in Japan as well as the US, and the PS3's current library is very good. With Blu-ray winning the format war, that will help boost sales of a PS3 for people who want to step into the next gen of DVD quality and want a video game system too.

From me playing my PS3 quite a few hours a day over this holiday break, I would say its very far from dead.

I'm sorry but there are more than those 3 games that should be awesome, and not just A game is a console seller, people buy consoles not just for 1 game all the time, they buy it for a whole lot of games...I didn't just buy the 360 for halo(luckly I didn't or I would of been totally disappointed) and I didn't buy the PS3 just for those games either.

There are so many more reasons to buy a ps3 rather than 1 game...

[QUOTE="Cedmln"]Says the HD-DVD supporter. :roll:ghoulsandghost

but i didnt know ps3 passed away TC. i guess the 360 is dead in japan by your logic lol.

last place =/= deadCaseyWegner

Must agree.

for being dead my PS3 gets alot of playing time,now tell me why is that?shaggyaz

necrophiliac?

I myself even owned GT4... but, with Forza 2 out there, will people pay the money for an entire new racing game? Maybe in Japan, but I don't think it'll fall on the usual crowd here in the US and Europe.mariofan22

Says the HD-DVD supporter. :roll:Cedmln

LOL :lol:

Crisis Core put the PSP above the DS in Japan FOR A WEEK, and that wasn't even a main Final Fantasy. Imagine what sales will be like when 13 releases.Ragnarok1051

Fixed.

The PS3 getting a boost in Japan for a week or two isn't going to put it in the lead.

[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"]Crisis Core put the PSP above the DS in Japan FOR A WEEK, and that wasn't even a main Final Fantasy. Imagine what sales will be like when 13 releases.sexy_chimp

Fixed.

The PS3 getting a boost in Japan for a week or two isn't going to put it in the lead.

Who said it would be that short? I think you underestimate the influence of FF. And no the PSP was above the DS for more than one week.

Edit: Because I'm being roasted like a steak on a grill, I've changed it to read "The PS3's dead in the water", which is more what I meant. I'm sorry people mis-understood, but I'm talking about sales here... not quality of games. I've also left out some games (GoW III, GT5, etc.), but I feel that the situation is unchanged, especially for GT5, in which it already is competing with a better quality Forza 2.

That's right. The PS3 is dead (in the water). I've listed the games that people are saying will save the console... and then I'm saying why they won't.

- Final Fantasy XIII will save the console.

Final Fantasy XIII does look to be an outstanding game... but, remember that Final Fantasy XII sold 3.68 million. Even if the new one does reach the numbers of Final Fantasy X (which reached over 5 million), it still won't move enough consoles to save to PS3. Judging by the current numbers (the latest NPD numbers), it should be obvious that even five million won't be enough to catch up to the 360. And that's inferring that every person buying the new Final Fantasy didn't own the PS3 previously.

- Metal Gear Solid 4 will save the console.

Just like the new Final Fantasy, MGS4 looks to be an incredible game... but, remember that the previous installment sold 3.6 million (about the same number as FFXII). Yet again, those sort of numbers won't be enough to move the number of consoles needed to overtake the 360 and the Wii -- and that's inferring again, that every person buying it hasn't owned the PS3. Again, it's just not enough consoles being moved.

- LittleBigPlanet will save the console.

Though it looks like a totally amazing and unique experience, in my idea, it looks more akin to what's going on with Zack & Wiki on the Wii. Though it's been critically acclaimed, Zack has barely sold any units... and it looks like that's what'll happen to LittleBigPlanet. When people buy the PS3, most of the games they want fit into the Final Fantasy and MGS4 categories... these sort of games, though fun, look to flounder in that sort of market (my opinion of course, though).

I just can't see the PS3 finding any success in the near future, despite the high caliber titles coming out for it. I didn't even bother to mention Haze... just like the other games, it looks like it'll be a critical success, but if Crysis couldn't sell well... why would Haze? Even so... "gamers" are still fixed on their Halo. And that might not change anytime soon.

So, with the high price of a PS3, games that won't sell enough to save it, and numbers that are less than it's older counterpart (the PS2) in sales... I say this with confidence:

The PS3 is dead (in the water).

mariofan22

i dont think ff13 and mgs4 will move more units because most of the fans of these games have already bought the ps3

[QUOTE="mariofan22"]

Edit: Because I'm being roasted like a steak on a grill, I've changed it to read "The PS3's dead in the water", which is more what I meant. I'm sorry people mis-understood, but I'm talking about sales here... not quality of games. I've also left out some games (GoW III, GT5, etc.), but I feel that the situation is unchanged, especially for GT5, in which it already is competing with a better quality Forza 2.

That's right. The PS3 is dead (in the water). I've listed the games that people are saying will save the console... and then I'm saying why they won't.

- Final Fantasy XIII will save the console.

Final Fantasy XIII does look to be an outstanding game... but, remember that Final Fantasy XII sold 3.68 million. Even if the new one does reach the numbers of Final Fantasy X (which reached over 5 million), it still won't move enough consoles to save to PS3. Judging by the current numbers (the latest NPD numbers), it should be obvious that even five million won't be enough to catch up to the 360. And that's inferring that every person buying the new Final Fantasy didn't own the PS3 previously.

- Metal Gear Solid 4 will save the console.

Just like the new Final Fantasy, MGS4 looks to be an incredible game... but, remember that the previous installment sold 3.6 million (about the same number as FFXII). Yet again, those sort of numbers won't be enough to move the number of consoles needed to overtake the 360 and the Wii -- and that's inferring again, that every person buying it hasn't owned the PS3. Again, it's just not enough consoles being moved.

- LittleBigPlanet will save the console.

Though it looks like a totally amazing and unique experience, in my idea, it looks more akin to what's going on with Zack & Wiki on the Wii. Though it's been critically acclaimed, Zack has barely sold any units... and it looks like that's what'll happen to LittleBigPlanet. When people buy the PS3, most of the games they want fit into the Final Fantasy and MGS4 categories... these sort of games, though fun, look to flounder in that sort of market (my opinion of course, though).

I just can't see the PS3 finding any success in the near future, despite the high caliber titles coming out for it. I didn't even bother to mention Haze... just like the other games, it looks like it'll be a critical success, but if Crysis couldn't sell well... why would Haze? Even so... "gamers" are still fixed on their Halo. And that might not change anytime soon.

So, with the high price of a PS3, games that won't sell enough to save it, and numbers that are less than it's older counterpart (the PS2) in sales... I say this with confidence:

The PS3 is dead (in the water).

ziggy87

i dont think ff13 and mgs4 will move more units because most of the fans of these games have already bought the ps3

Wasn't that exscuse used for Halo 3, Mario, and other games?

[QUOTE="mariofan22"]

Edit: Because I'm being roasted like a steak on a grill, I've changed it to read "The PS3's dead in the water", which is more what I meant. I'm sorry people mis-understood, but I'm talking about sales here... not quality of games. I've also left out some games (GoW III, GT5, etc.), but I feel that the situation is unchanged, especially for GT5, in which it already is competing with a better quality Forza 2.

That's right. The PS3 is dead (in the water). I've listed the games that people are saying will save the console... and then I'm saying why they won't.

- Final Fantasy XIII will save the console.

Final Fantasy XIII does look to be an outstanding game... but, remember that Final Fantasy XII sold 3.68 million. Even if the new one does reach the numbers of Final Fantasy X (which reached over 5 million), it still won't move enough consoles to save to PS3. Judging by the current numbers (the latest NPD numbers), it should be obvious that even five million won't be enough to catch up to the 360. And that's inferring that every person buying the new Final Fantasy didn't own the PS3 previously.

- Metal Gear Solid 4 will save the console.

Just like the new Final Fantasy, MGS4 looks to be an incredible game... but, remember that the previous installment sold 3.6 million (about the same number as FFXII). Yet again, those sort of numbers won't be enough to move the number of consoles needed to overtake the 360 and the Wii -- and that's inferring again, that every person buying it hasn't owned the PS3. Again, it's just not enough consoles being moved.

- LittleBigPlanet will save the console.

Though it looks like a totally amazing and unique experience, in my idea, it looks more akin to what's going on with Zack & Wiki on the Wii. Though it's been critically acclaimed, Zack has barely sold any units... and it looks like that's what'll happen to LittleBigPlanet. When people buy the PS3, most of the games they want fit into the Final Fantasy and MGS4 categories... these sort of games, though fun, look to flounder in that sort of market (my opinion of course, though).

I just can't see the PS3 finding any success in the near future, despite the high caliber titles coming out for it. I didn't even bother to mention Haze... just like the other games, it looks like it'll be a critical success, but if Crysis couldn't sell well... why would Haze? Even so... "gamers" are still fixed on their Halo. And that might not change anytime soon.

So, with the high price of a PS3, games that won't sell enough to save it, and numbers that are less than it's older counterpart (the PS2) in sales... I say this with confidence:

The PS3 is dead (in the water).

ziggy87

i dont think ff13 and mgs4 will move more units because most of the fans of these games have already bought the ps3

same arguement was made for Halo3, but we all know how that turned out...

LA Noire, baby!

[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"]Crisis Core put the PSP above the DS in Japan FOR A WEEK, and that wasn't even a main Final Fantasy. Imagine what sales will be like when 13 releases.sexy_chimp

Fixed.

The PS3 getting a boost in Japan for a week or two isn't going to put it in the lead.

Make it like 4 weeks, and then afterwards it made it compete with it better, Remember, the DS used to outsell the PSP by around 4:1 in Japan. Nowadays it is like 4:3 even up till now. If just ONE game can do this much for the PSP, just wait for a few more to help.

[QUOTE="sexy_chimp"]

[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"]Crisis Core put the PSP above the DS in Japan FOR A WEEK, and that wasn't even a main Final Fantasy. Imagine what sales will be like when 13 releases.Ragnarok1051

Fixed.

The PS3 getting a boost in Japan for a week or two isn't going to put it in the lead.

Who said it would be that short? I think you underestimate the influence of FF. And no the PSP was above the DS for more than one week.

Okay, a few weeks. The DS is still outselling it by how much?

[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"][QUOTE="sexy_chimp"]

[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"]Crisis Core put the PSP above the DS in Japan FOR A WEEK, and that wasn't even a main Final Fantasy. Imagine what sales will be like when 13 releases.sexy_chimp

Fixed.

The PS3 getting a boost in Japan for a week or two isn't going to put it in the lead.

Who said it would be that short? I think you underestimate the influence of FF. And no the PSP was above the DS for more than one week.

Okay, a few weeks. The DS is still outselling it by how much?

I'm making a point, it may not be above it now but you saw the impact it had. Just imagine the impact of the next numbered installment. It may stay above the Wii, it most likely will not, but you can't deny that it will help immensely.

for being dead my PS3 gets alot of playing time,now tell me why is that?shaggyaz

Mine doesn't, but I don't own Heavenly Sword, Uncharted, Resistance or Warhawk yet, so maybe that's why. I don't think the PS3 is dead in the water. With Blu-Ray now starting to become the standard HD format and with PS3 sales in Europe and Japan starting to surge due to the price drops, the PS3 has already been rejuvenated. I still don't think it'll catch the 360 in 2008, but in 2009 or 2010 there is a chance. It all depends on what M$ in the next 2 years and which companies they decide to buyout. If they bought out EA, Ubisoftor Activision, I wonder what would happen? Imagine Madden or CoD exclusively on XBox 360. Hhhmmm..

last place =/= deadCaseyWegner

GT5 will help in Japan, KZ2 won't sell anything.

I think the games listed will help potential customers buy PS3's eventually, but I don't think we'll see more than a 10 percent sales increase week to week for the month of and 2 months following any of its big game releases, which will be relatively small, but can help in the longrun.