PS4 GPU developer already decided? ...and it's not nVidia

I'm pretty sure Sony knows what there doing A LOT more then you do n00bkid

Because they gave such a good demonstration of their decision making ability this generation?

Why oh why Sony!

This is the first nail in the coffin of the PS4. As long as they insist on using non-universal hardware, it'll only fail more.

So long Sony. Maybe you can stick around as a software development company and keep those great IPs coming.

ChrisJ2004

WOW did you even READ the article. Sony said that it was not using Cell as it was too hard to program for so they went with IBM Power 7 and PowerVR 6 series because they were easy to develop for.

[QUOTE="ShadowriverUB"]

It is believed that Sony has gained exclusive rights to the technology for the console space.

AnnoyedDragon

Wonderful idea... have developers learn another piece of technology that is only relevant to one piece of hardware in the entire world.

The next generation will be even more cross platform orientated than the current one; and they want to use none standard GPU tech? Oh this should be funny to watch.

AGAIN, the tech is not so different that programers will not know how to program on it. IT USES THE same OPEN CL, directX that the oters use!! PLZ look at the info before you start shooting off at the mouth.

AGAIN, the tech is not so different that programers will not know how to program on it. IT USES THE same OPEN CL, directX that the oters use!! PLZ look at the info before you start shooting off at the mouth.

Ravenlore_basic

Here's a better idea, how about going with a company that actually has significant experience in the gaming market like Nvidia or ATI? Of course not, they have make it hard on themselves by taking risks with this lessor known company, you would think Sony would have learned by now.

This generation has been pretty unforgiving to Sony because of changes in how the market works, the industry will be even less forgiving next generation if they pull something again. If there is anything about the console that makes porting to or from it harder than the other platforms it will pay for it.

[QUOTE="RedruM_I"][QUOTE="stygiansanity"] That's not necessarily true - MS makes money from every xbox 360 sold, MS's situation with the original xbox was much different than the x360's. On a side note, Brazil can look forward to the PS3 being released there for $500 in 6 years!kolkov01

You know what would be nice? GT6 as a PS4 launch title using a beefed up GT5 engine. That would help Sony get out of the gate quickly.

This is the first nail in the coffin of the PS4. As long as they insist on using non-universal hardware, it'll only fail more.

So long Sony. Maybe you can stick around as a software development company and keep those great IPs coming.

ChrisJ2004

and they failed with the ps2 right.

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"][QUOTE="mbrockway"] Nvidia sucks. They killed the original xbox and they did their best to kill the ps3. cowgriller

actually, i think he was referring to nvidia's dickishness by not lowering OEM purchase cost for older technology. component makers tend to lower the price of older/obsolete hardware when something new/better comes along. this way, the manufacturers get the tech at a lower price and can lower the overall price for the consumer.

There is zero chance that this is true.

Sony cannot afford the cashflow for a major investment like the PS4 in the next 3 years. I would terminate the first executive who even suggested such nonsense to me. Ergo, there will be no PS4 in 2012.

Similarly, no one in their right mind would sign a GPU deal 3 years in-advance.

You guys will believe anything.

SUD123456

wow Sony worked with IBM for 5. Could Sony be working WITH Imgtec to make a GPU that works with its CPU in a way that Cell and RSX are but more so?!!! I think this CAN be a good fit as Imgtec is more willing to work with Sony than Nvidia or even ATI. Imgtec has more to gain than either ATI or Nvidia. So I see them bringing their A game to do this GPU with Sony Designers like IBM with CELL!!!

[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]Any hermits want to explain what this means? I'm lost.Phazevariance

WHO said that they are having a problem with the RSX GPU?? PS3 is hard to deveolp for because CELL uses SPU's which is really differnt. BUT programers are starting to use tools to lessen the difficulty.

The Power VR API is may not be soo different. We have to wait and see

[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]Any hermits want to explain what this means? I'm lost.Phazevariance

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[QUOTE="johnny27"]Q4 2012 so another 3 years till next-gen console that seems about right.-GeordiLaForge-

CPU makers of the next gen consoles are not known as a "fact" but is rumored Sony will use an overclocked Cell BE while MS may be designing the their own CPU (but AMD/Global Foundries will be contracted to confirm the design and mass produce the CPU).

cowgriller

I doubt they will be using the Cell anymore it is breing discontinued by IBM - source

[QUOTE="SUD123456"]

There is zero chance that this is true.

Sony cannot afford the cashflow for a major investment like the PS4 in the next 3 years. I would terminate the first executive who even suggested such nonsense to me. Ergo, there will be no PS4 in 2012.

Similarly, no one in their right mind would sign a GPU deal 3 years in-advance.

You guys will believe anything.

Ravenlore_basic

wow Sony worked with IBM for 5. Could Sony be working WITH Imgtec to make a GPU that works with its CPU in a way that Cell and RSX are but more so?!!! I think this CAN be a good fit as Imgtec is more willing to work with Sony than Nvidia or even ATI. Imgtec has more to gain than either ATI or Nvidia. So I see them bringing their A game to do this GPU with Sony Designers like IBM with CELL!!!

Combining two c-grade(1) GPU teams doesn't automatically result in "can of whoopass" or cutting-edge GPU product.

Are you implying the customised PPE (includes Direct3D dot product instructions) doesn't complement ATI(AMD) Xenos?

1. Example of b-grade GPU vendor is VIA S3 i.e. S3 Chrome 540 GTX is roughly equivalent to AMD ATI Radeon HD 4350. Which is not bad for 64bit wide GDDR3 memory based graphics card.In GPU terms, it beats Imgtec.

[QUOTE="cowgriller"]

CPU makers of the next gen consoles are not known as a "fact" but is rumored Sony will use an overclocked Cell BE while MS may be designing the their own CPU (but AMD/Global Foundries will be contracted to confirm the design and mass produce the CPU).

darkzealot1

I doubt they will be using the Cell anymore it is breing discontinued by IBM - source

[QUOTE="cowgriller"]

CPU makers of the next gen consoles are not known as a "fact" but is rumored Sony will use an overclocked Cell BE while MS may be designing the their own CPU (but AMD/Global Foundries will be contracted to confirm the design and mass produce the CPU).

darkzealot1

I doubt they will be using the Cell anymore it is breing discontinued by IBM - source

well, unless sony adds a ps3 in the box for free, there looks like there might not be ANY BC for the ps4. at least in MS case, the GPU itself is fully capable of BC, so regardless what CPU MS uses, even if the rumor of going back to intel is true, it doesn't matter because the CPU is completely taken out of the equation as the GPU is powerful enough to do BC by itself (with the help of X-Engine). not only that, but the GPU will add AA to almost every game on the 360 when played on the Phoenix (current code name for the xbox 720.)

Project Phoenix link

excerpt:

"We're told that developer's have tested the running of Xbox 360 games on the Project Phoenix's technical specs with not only upscaling, but increased AA (anti-aliasing), increased AF (anastropic filtering), a higher framerate and generally improved performance. The potential is that the next Xbox will not only run Xbox 360 games, it will improve their performance and graphics (think the PS3's smoothing and filtering of PS2 games but to a much greater degree)."

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[QUOTE="cowgriller"]

CPU makers of the next gen consoles are not known as a "fact" but is rumored Sony will use an overclocked Cell BE while MS may be designing the their own CPU (but AMD/Global Foundries will be contracted to confirm the design and mass produce the CPU).

HuusAsking

I doubt they will be using the Cell anymore it is breing discontinued by IBM - source

i doubt sony would go for the Power 7, the Power 6 may be. hell the Power 6 was one of the phoenix's choices in CPU's. damn thing's running at 4.7GHz and is dual core. then again, intel is also said to be a contender for the phoenix's CPU.

but there is one thing that we can say is almost certain - intel's larrabee is pretty much dead in the water at this point. they failed to get the contract from sony or MS and nintendo doesn't believe in power or high end graphics.

i personally hope that MS goes with an AMD CPU and make the phoenix a mid-end computer like the original xbox.

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"]

[QUOTE="darkzealot1"]

I doubt they will be using the Cell anymore it is breing discontinued by IBM - source

cowgriller

i doubt sony would go for the Power 7, the Power 6 may be. hell the Power 6 was one of the phoenix's choices in CPU's. damn thing's running at 4.7GHz and is dual core. then again, intel is also said to be a contender for the phoenix's CPU.

but there is one thing that we can say is almost certain - intel's larrabee is pretty much dead in the water at this point. they failed to get the contract from sony or MS and nintendo doesn't believe in power or high end graphics.

i personally hope that MS goes with an AMD CPU and make the phoenix a mid-end computer like the original xbox.

[QUOTE="cowgriller"]

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"]So Sony may not have a choice in the BC department. Without a Cell successor, the door's pretty much shut since it's unlikely anyone else will duplicate the SPE architecture, so they may be deciding to start fresh (thus the rumors about POWER7 CPUs and PVR-type GPUs--the former wouldn't be a bad move; it's the latter that's raising eyebrows).

HuusAsking

i doubt sony would go for the Power 7, the Power 6 may be. hell the Power 6 was one of the phoenix's choices in CPU's. damn thing's running at 4.7GHz and is dual core. then again, intel is also said to be a contender for the phoenix's CPU.

but there is one thing that we can say is almost certain - intel's larrabee is pretty much dead in the water at this point. they failed to get the contract from sony or MS and nintendo doesn't believe in power or high end graphics.

i personally hope that MS goes with an AMD CPU and make the phoenix a mid-end computer like the original xbox.

the problem with Fusion is that it won'tbe released until 2011. since Phoenix will release one year later, that may not seem like an issue. until you factor in the cost of it. i agree with you on the ram though. it should be 4 GB minimum. i prefer unified GDDR5, it may be more expensive but the graphics would be damn sexy!

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"]

[QUOTE="cowgriller"]

i doubt sony would go for the Power 7, the Power 6 may be. hell the Power 6 was one of the phoenix's choices in CPU's. damn thing's running at 4.7GHz and is dual core. then again, intel is also said to be a contender for the phoenix's CPU.

but there is one thing that we can say is almost certain - intel's larrabee is pretty much dead in the water at this point. they failed to get the contract from sony or MS and nintendo doesn't believe in power or high end graphics.

i personally hope that MS goes with an AMD CPU and make the phoenix a mid-end computer like the original xbox.

cowgriller

the problem with Fusion is that it won'tbe released until 2011. since Phoenix will release one year later, that may not seem like an issue. until you factor in the cost of it. i agree with you on the ram though. it should be 4 GB minimum. i prefer unified GDDR5, it may be more expensive but the graphics would be damn sexy!

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"]

[QUOTE="cowgriller"]

i doubt sony would go for the Power 7, the Power 6 may be. hell the Power 6 was one of the phoenix's choices in CPU's. damn thing's running at 4.7GHz and is dual core. then again, intel is also said to be a contender for the phoenix's CPU.

but there is one thing that we can say is almost certain - intel's larrabee is pretty much dead in the water at this point. they failed to get the contract from sony or MS and nintendo doesn't believe in power or high end graphics.

i personally hope that MS goes with an AMD CPU and make the phoenix a mid-end computer like the original xbox.

cowgriller

the problem with Fusion is that it won'tbe released until 2011. since Phoenix will release one year later, that may not seem like an issue. until you factor in the cost of it. i agree with you on the ram though. it should be 4 GB minimum. i prefer unified GDDR5, it may be more expensive but the graphics would be damn sexy!

[QUOTE="cowgriller"]

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"]They could even try for something like a Fusion--CPU and GPU on one piece of ceramic, but I'm simply speculating. Microsoft would be smart to stick with POWER since that makes BC easier for them (since the Xenon is POWER-based). Another possibility would be to keep the Xenon in the Phoenix as a subunit even while using a different chip for the main CPU, but that may present cost issues. The thing is, we have to remember that we're talking consoles that won't show up for another two to three years. They may be looking ahead at least a little bit and thinking of putting in things like POWER7 that, while new now, will probably be considerably cheaper and easier to put in by the time the design stage rolls around. PS. One thing we should insist for both of these new consoles--at least 4GB of RAM. I'd really like 8 (especially if the memory's unified), but that may be problematic once scale figures into the cost equation, and 8GB is still a bit steep today.

Martin_G_N

the problem with Fusion is that it won'tbe released until 2011. since Phoenix will release one year later, that may not seem like an issue. until you factor in the cost of it. i agree with you on the ram though. it should be 4 GB minimum. i prefer unified GDDR5, it may be more expensive but the graphics would be damn sexy!

I will laugh badly when the next generation of PC cards and the one inside the new X-Box run circles around it. ATI is the way to go.Tessellation

You said it. MS will not allow Sony to get the upper hand in both the power & graphics department for the second time. They can even make it more reliable & more powerful just like with the X-Box 1.

[QUOTE="Martin_G_N"]

[QUOTE="cowgriller"]

the problem with Fusion is that it won'tbe released until 2011. since Phoenix will release one year later, that may not seem like an issue. until you factor in the cost of it. i agree with you on the ram though. it should be 4 GB minimum. i prefer unified GDDR5, it may be more expensive but the graphics would be damn sexy!

HuusAsking

As you can see, it uses less power and has a higher bandwidth.

lol you guys still posting here? In mean time i discovered that this is same source that expect Dreamcast 2 on 2010.... So you know.. No Deamcast 2 = This story is BS, same goes with Power7 rumor

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"]

[QUOTE="Martin_G_N"]

the problem with Fusion is that it won'tbe released until 2011. since Phoenix will release one year later, that may not seem like an issue. until you factor in the cost of it. i agree with you on the ram though. it should be 4 GB minimum. i prefer unified GDDR5, it may be more expensive but the graphics would be damn sexy!

[QUOTE="n00bkid"]I'm pretty sure Sony knows what there doing A LOT more then you do AnnoyedDragon

Because they gave such a good demonstration of their decision making ability this generation?

And you've launched new formats, consoles and other types of technology for over 20 years?

Yeaaaah still gonna assume Sony has a better handle on it than you do.

Hahadouken

The "you're not a developer" argument, it's so weak I'm surprised you used it...

No I have not launched a console, but you don't have to in order to recognise the mistakes Sony has made this generation. Look at the Slim, look at the amount of backpedaling they are doing to bring down the cost of this console.

$4.7 billion reported losses on the PS3 and you think average Joe isn't in a position to recognise Sony made wrong decisions?

Why is there even talk of a PS4? I thought the PS3 and 360 were suppose to have life spans of 10 years. Don't we have a number of years before talk of the next consoles after these should even be considered?NeoStar9