PS4 Is Going To Steam Roll Xbox 720! Sony Mislead Dev?

LOL regardless of specs, even if one is a little faster than the other, MS has too many fans to be steam rolled.

After the ridiculous claims of the PS3's power compared to the 360, do you cows never learn?

HaRmLeSS_RaGe

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"][QUOTE="Chozofication"]

5870 is the tock, 6970 is the tick.

:P

Chozofication

5870 was the new design, 6970 was the refresh.  Tock, tick.

A tick is the refresh, not the overhaul.

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"][QUOTE="Chozofication"]

5870 is the tock, 6970 is the tick.

:P

Chozofication

5870 was the new design, 6970 was the refresh. Tock, tick.

A tick is the refresh, not the overhaul.

AMD has it's own tick-tock model i.e. die shrink and new design was rolled into one e.g. AMD GCN.

TICK = New design e.g. 2900, 5870,

TOCK = Refined e.g. 3870(fix issues from 2900), 6970 (fix issues from 5870).

Intel is not bold enough to roll a die shrink and new design into one.

[QUOTE="HaRmLeSS_RaGe"]

After the ridiculous claims of the PS3's power compared to the 360, do you cows never learn?

_Matt_

Apparantly not :P

[QUOTE="_Matt_"]

[QUOTE="HaRmLeSS_RaGe"]

After the ridiculous claims of the PS3's power compared to the 360, do you cows never learn?

Pete-B

Apparantly not :P

Hyping is fine... claiming domination before the machines are even revealed however... That's just silly!

[QUOTE="Pete-B"][QUOTE="_Matt_"]

 

Apparantly not :P

_Matt_

Hyping is fine... claiming domination before the machines are even revealed however... That's just silly!

[QUOTE="Chozofication"]

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"] 4770 is not counted since this design is not DX11.0 and it doesn't have 5000's decoupled color-ROP and Z-ROP design.ronvalencia

5870 was the new design, 6970 was the refresh. Tock, tick.

A tick is the refresh, not the overhaul.

AMD has it's own tick-tock model i.e. die shrink and new design was rolled into one e.g. AMD GCN.

TICK = New design e.g. 2900, 5870,

TOCK = Refined e.g. 3870(fix issues from 2900), 6970 (fix issues from 5870).

Intel is not bold enough to roll a die shrink and new design into one.

That explains it, I was following the Intel model.

There's makes more sense because tock has more oomph to it.

To be honest we should just let cows have their fun, after all they have just been completely owned for 7 years by MS in every department. Let them have their short time of glory before MS puts the final nail in Sony's coffin. It's the respectable thing to do. :lol:

It would be smart business-ing (?). Many firms will use deceptive ploys to remain competitive.

To be honest we should just let cows have their fun, after all they have just been completely owned for 7 years by MS in every department. Let them have their short time of glory before MS puts the final nail in Sony's coffin. It's the respectable thing to do. :lol:

HaRmLeSS_RaGe

To be honest we should just let cows have their fun, after all they have just been completely owned for 7 years by MS in every department. Let them have their short time of glory before MS puts the final nail in Sony's coffin. It's the respectable thing to do. :lol:

HaRmLeSS_RaGe

Rumors posted in a forum = fact on on System Wars. Guess this is like the 77 million PS3s sold "official" numbers. Calves are so gullible. 

[QUOTE="Desmonic"]Meh, more rumours. Also it won't hurt thr Durange since most current rumours point them as being pretty damn equivalente so... at best, the first few Acti/Ubi titles will look worse on PS4 because of this, so kinda of a bad move by Sony honestly. Kaz went to far! :Ptormentos

xbox 720 is rumored to have 8GB ram though

[QUOTE="HaRmLeSS_RaGe"]

To be honest we should just let cows have their fun, after all they have just been completely owned for 7 years by MS in every department. Let them have their short time of glory before MS puts the final nail in Sony's coffin. It's the respectable thing to do. :lol:

kuraimen

Did I hit a nerve cow? :lol:

[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="Desmonic"]Meh, more rumours. Also it won't hurt thr Durange since most current rumours point them as being pretty damn equivalente so... at best, the first few Acti/Ubi titles will look worse on PS4 because of this, so kinda of a bad move by Sony honestly. Kaz went to far! :PloosingENDS

xbox 720 is rumored to have 8GB ram though

8GB of slow, cheap RAM. Only 5 of which is dedicated to gaming.

The more things change the more things remain the same. this sounds just like the beginning of this gen. 

Look at how that turned out.

First of all Microsoft had been pretty grimy too with the Xenon using R&D from the Cell to help create the processor in the XBox 360, then rushing the 360 to market resulting in the RROD fiasco. Now karma is coming back to bite them hard. 

Here is what I think happened: 

Sony describes unimpressive spec details Ubisoft and Activision regarding the specs for the Ps4 knowing full well that these specs would get leaked to Microsoft. These specs are believable because of Sonys losses on the PS3, the assumption is that Sony would want to create a cheaper console and because of WiiU's underwhelming performance capabilities and the thought that Sony would follow suit. Microsoft, looking to once again to heavily rely on third party and the perception that 3rd party games perform better on Xbox, bites on this information and creates the durango with the duel intention of making a console that is marginally more powerful than PS4, yet still affordable enough to pack in Kinect 2.0 without taking a huge loss. 

However Sony, knowing that the PS4 will be using off the shelf AMD components that won't require years of R&D to produce, knowing that that their first parties would keep the PS3 viable as 360's relavane wanes (making the pressure greater for Microsoft to Usher forth its successor), and PS4's won't be bloated by an peripheral like Kinect then specs the actual PS4 with nearly double the performance of the Durango.

Because they're both using off the shelf components Sony knows that whatever multiplat games third parties are working on for durango, that porting them to be on par if not superior on PS4, can be done with relative ease (unless MS pays devs to actively gimp PS4 versions).

With better multiplats, vastly superior exclusives and no bogus Xbox live fees, if it manages to release at a similar price the PS4 is basically set to stomp the nexbox out. 

As for some sort of Xbox brand loyalty holding the 720 afloat, history has shown that between console generations, as far as brand loyalty goes, gamers don't have any. You can ask Sony and Nintendo about that.   

I wouldnt like to say whether this is true or not, what i will say though is that i would pay good money for a real powerhouse console from sony if thats what they produced.

l34052

You are in the minority. They already tried this with the PS3 and had a price drop in it's first year of release.

LOL if this true Microsoft gaming division is about to have some heads roll.

Steamroll?  Microsoft Xbox?  Really?  :lol:

xbox 720 is rumored to have 8GB ram thoughloosingENDS

Thats actually pretty bad if Sony did do that all that probably managed to do is piss off third party studios.

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]xbox 720 is rumored to have 8GB ram thoughtormentos

DDR and GDDR are two vastly different things. :?

Isn't comparing the Durango with the Orbis similar to comparing my GTX 560 Ti with an HD 7850? The GTX 560 Ti  may fall behind. But, it's not going to be steamrolled by the 7850.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/547?vs=549

If you guys remember the same thing happened with the PS3 and Sony was pissed as hell when they discovered that the CPU on the Xbox was based on research of the Cell. The only difference was that the Cell had SPE's instead of general purpose cores. That's why the PS3 and Xbox were so similar on graphical outputs and Sony couldn't do anything even after launching a year later because of all the money they already invested on R&D. But this time around it seems they deceived everybody to prevent this from happening again.

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/132297/processing_the_truth_an_interview_.php?print=1

First of all Microsoft had been pretty grimy too with the Xenon using R&D from the Cell to help create the processor in the XBox 360, then rushing the 360 to market resulting in the RROD fiasco. Now karma is coming back to bite them hard. 

 

Here is what I think happened: 

Sony describes unimpressive spec details Ubisoft and Activision regarding the specs for the Ps4 knowing full well that these specs would get leaked to Microsoft. These specs are believable because of Sonys losses on the PS3, the assumption is that Sony would want to create a cheaper console and because of WiiU's underwhelming performance capabilities and the thought that Sony would follow suit. Microsoft, looking to once again to heavily rely on third party and the perception that 3rd party games perform better on Xbox, bites on this information and creates the durango with the duel intention of making a console that is marginally more powerful than PS4, yet still affordable enough to pack in Kinect 2.0 without taking a huge loss. 

However Sony, knowing that the PS4 will be using off the shelf AMD components that won't require years of R&D to produce, knowing that that their first parties would keep the PS3 viable as 360's relavane wanes (making the pressure greater for Microsoft to Usher forth its successor), and PS4's won't be bloated by an peripheral like Kinect then specs the actual PS4 with nearly double the performance of the Durango.

Because they're both using off the shelf components Sony knows that whatever multiplat games third parties are working on for durango, that porting them to be on par if not superior on PS4, can be done with relative ease (unless MS pays devs to actively gimp PS4 versions).

With better multiplats, vastly superior exclusives and no bogus Xbox live fees, if it manages to release at a similar price the PS4 is basically set to stomp the nexbox out. 

As for some sort of Xbox brand loyalty holding the 720 afloat, history has shown that between console generations, as far as brand loyalty goes, gamers don't have any. You can ask Sony and Nintendo about that.   

  

Pray_to_me

[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="loosingENDS"]xbox 720 is rumored to have 8GB ram thoughWeird_Jerk

DDR and GDDR are two vastly different things. :?

Isn't comparing the Durango with the Orbis similar to comparing my GTX 560 Ti with an HD 7850? The GTX 560 Ti  may fall behind. But, it's not going to be steamrolled by the 7850.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/547?vs=549

jun_aka_pekto

Wow if that's true then Sony just trolled Microsoft big time.

Thats actually pretty bad if Sony did do that all that probably managed to do is piss off third party studios.

Newhopes

Who cares? 3rd party studios are whores that will go with whichever console is the the hottest.

screw Sony, i am sure M$ has a plan?jediknight52501

Yeah. They will bend over and take it...too late to do anything if this is true.

[QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

Isn't comparing the Durango with the Orbis similar to comparing my GTX 560 Ti with an HD 7850? The GTX 560 Ti  may fall behind. But, it's not going to be steamrolled by the 7850.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/547?vs=549

tormentos

I probably should've checked the 7770 specs. I thought it was on par with or better than my GTX 560 Ti.

[QUOTE="Newhopes"]

Thats actually pretty bad if Sony did do that all that probably managed to do is piss off third party studios.

StrongBlackVine

Who cares? 3rd party studios are whores that will go with whichever console is the the hottest.

Sony doesn't have the IP's to shift consoles, Third party don't support it then say good bye to PS4.

[QUOTE="Newhopes"]

Thats actually pretty bad if Sony did do that all that probably managed to do is piss off third party studios.

StrongBlackVine

Who cares? 3rd party studios are whores that will go with whichever console is the the hottest.

[QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]

[QUOTE="Newhopes"]

Thats actually pretty bad if Sony did do that all that probably managed to do is piss off third party studios.

Newhopes

Who cares? 3rd party studios are whores that will go with whichever console is the the hottest.

Sony doesn't have the IP's to shift consoles, Third party don't support it then say good bye to PS4.

I think this is a lie.

this thread was worth it solely for the gif

Can't wait for Feb. 20 for Kaz's deliverance.

Can't wait for Feb. 20 for Kaz's deliverance.

Blazerdt47

[QUOTE="Newhopes"]

Thats actually pretty bad if Sony did do that all that probably managed to do is piss off third party studios.

StrongBlackVine

Who cares? 3rd party studios are whores that will go with whichever console is the the hottest.

true. 3rd party's will follow like a sheep once the PS4 becomes the dominant console.

That gif in the first post is HILARIOUS!

Sony just beat M$ in their own dirty game and with style. Good going Sopny. Lems, you should be ashamed about always supporting inferiority.kuraimen

There's no point in trying to beat some sense into you. I'll let someone else handle this one.