PS4 To Use PS3 Cell Technology - Wii 2 Confirmed

Via GameCyte: "Japanese tech news site PC Watch is reporting that as a cost-saving measure, Sony "has begun seriously considering" basing the upcoming PlayStation 4 on the same Cell processor that currently powers the PS3.

Though citing no sources in particular, PC Watch claims that Sony is currently soliciting developer reactions to the idea. They speculate that while Sony would like to distance themselves from the Cell in the long run, at present they might do well to make use of their existing investment and expand the technical capabilities of the PS3 only moderately - a la the hardware transition from GameCube to Wii - in order to constrain further expenditure."

http://n4g.com/industrynews/News-206874.aspx

I wonder how Crytek is going to feel if this is true. :lol:

'Based on' is such a loose term that leaves so many possibilities.Verge_6

Even so, if they don't radically upgrade the rest of the hardware, we won't be seeing much more technically advanced games than possible on the PS3.

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]'Based on' is such a loose term that leaves so many possibilities.dgsag

Even so, if they don't radically upgrade the rest of the hardware, we won't be seeing much more technically advanced games than possible on the PS3.

'Based on' leaves room for such a thing, actually.Whether the cell will be upgraded to such an extend is up to Sony, however.

Sony is going to rebrand PS3 as the PS4 next generation? Whats this about seperating themselves from the Cell chip? Did it not live up to their hype?

My guess was that sony would make an incremental upgrade next gen, and also go after casuals to regain marketshare from nintendo, seems i guessed close, but only time will tell if thats what 'really' happens

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]'Based on' is such a loose term that leaves so many possibilities.dgsag

Even so, if they don't radically upgrade the rest of the hardware, we won't be seeing much more technically advanced games than possible on the PS3.

You can be sure next-gen consoles will feature more than 512mb of RAM. That's the real hardware limitation for current consoles. Even if Sony only includes a moderately improved Cell processor but boosts the RAM, you'll see much more graphically intensive games.

The Cell is not the PS3's problem. Most developers have said that they aren't even using half of its potential. They are, however, maxing out the memory.

People should of already expected this.

PS4 should contain:
- An updated CELL chip. Increase the number of cores and the speed.
- New graphics card, possibly based of GeForce 11 series.(2010 cards)
- More - faster - RAM. Upgrade to 4gb of video RAM and 2gb of CPU RAM.
- USB 3.0 ports.
- Fully Unified system at launch. eg. Launch with custom soundtracks, in-game XMB, Trophies in all games, PSN network, etc.
- 12x Blu-ray drive.
- 160gb or 320gb HDD.

If SONY does that and prices PS4 at $249 - $349 then it'll do well. Since what killed PS3 wasn't the lack of games, It wasn't the Wii, it wasn't SONY's arrogance, it was Price! Casual gamers and parents saw that $600 price tag decided to wait for a price drop -- and ended up buying Wii's. (Btw: once casuals pick a cosole the stick with it for the generation... )

People should of already expected this.

PS4 should contain:
- An updated CELL chip. Increase the number of cores and the speed.
- New graphics card, possibly based of GeForce 11 series.(2010 cards)
- More - faster - RAM. Upgrade to 4gb of video RAM and 2gb of CPU RAM.
- USB 3.0 ports.
- Fully Unified system at launch. eg. Launch with custom soundtracks, in-game XMB, Trophies in all games, PSN network, etc.
- 12x Blu-ray drive.
- 160gb or 320gb HDD.

If SONY does that and prices PS4 at $249 - $349 then it'll do well. Since what killed PS3 wasn't the lack of games, It wasn't the Wii, it wasn't SONY's arrogance, it was Price! Casual gamers and parents saw that $600 price tag decided to wait for a price drop -- and ended up buying Wii's. (Btw: once casuals pick a cosole the stick with it for the generation... )

choasgod

lol 12x blu ray that wont be possible, and 4 gigs of ram? all the specs you've posted will gurantee the system will be 2000 dollars.

I have a feeling that they will use dual cell processor (2xPPE 14xSPE) (16 cores) in their PS4.If they want to use this cell processor that wouldnt be much of a problem.The Cell has alot of floating point preformance and can be optimized very well.

The only thing that can bottle neck them is the RSX.Although RSX backed up by cell power can easily handle the games of this gen.But God knows whats coming in next gen.Surely the RSX will be outcast by then.The next graphical breakthrough is atleast around 4 years from now Crytek says.So we can all just relax.

Being "based" on the cell processor could mean many things. Heck, couldnt that mean it could have multiple cells?

Anyway, I'm actually not angry to hear that it might not be a HUGE graphical leap for the next gen, and I wouldnt mind if the 720 was the same thing. This gen is too friggin expensive for developers, and I care far too much about this hobby to see them getting drove into the ground, creating games like The Orange Box and worrying whether or not they'll turn a profit.

Heck if the developement costs go down next then that could mean the return of 3rd party exclusives for all we know.

But on the flip side of Sony truely pulls a Wii and goes casual I will not be happy.

they might build a PS4 with 32 SPE's or 16 SPE's in it, also they will obviously put a stronger graphic card and a more RAM and etc!pminooei

Exactly.A "Dual Cell Processor" with 2xPPE and 14xSPE (16 cores) exists already.Its over twice as more powerfull than the current cell inside the PS3 on paper.

[QUOTE="choasgod"]

People should of already expected this.

PS4 should contain:
- An updated CELL chip. Increase the number of cores and the speed.
- New graphics card, possibly based of GeForce 11 series.(2010 cards)
- More - faster - RAM. Upgrade to 4gb of video RAM and 2gb of CPU RAM.
- USB 3.0 ports.
- Fully Unified system at launch. eg. Launch with custom soundtracks, in-game XMB, Trophies in all games, PSN network, etc.
- 12x Blu-ray drive.
- 160gb or 320gb HDD.

If SONY does that and prices PS4 at $249 - $349 then it'll do well. Since what killed PS3 wasn't the lack of games, It wasn't the Wii, it wasn't SONY's arrogance, it was Price! Casual gamers and parents saw that $600 price tag decided to wait for a price drop -- and ended up buying Wii's. (Btw: once casuals pick a cosole the stick with it for the generation... )

WilliamRLBaker

lol 12x blu ray that wont be possible, and 4 gigs of ram? all the specs you've posted will gurantee the system will be 2000 dollars.

4 gigs of RAM will be dirt cheap in 2011-12. It's already dirt cheap, really. And why wouldn't a 12x Blu-ray drive be possible?

PS4 news?!?!? Really?!?!? :lol:

Now that's comedy.

Futureproof is last gen...

Via GameCyte: "Japanese tech news site PC Watch is reporting that as a cost-saving measure, Sony "has begun seriously considering" basing the upcoming PlayStation 4 on the same Cell processor that currently powers the PS3.

Though citing no sources in particular, PC Watch claims that Sony is currently soliciting developer reactions to the idea. They speculate that while Sony would like to distance themselves from the Cell in the long run, at present they might do well to make use of their existing investment and expand the technical capabilities of the PS3 only moderately - a la the hardware transition from GameCube to Wii - in order to constrain further expenditure."

http://n4g.com/industrynews/News-206874.aspx

I wonder how Crytek is going to feel if this is true. :lol:

dgsag

Every PC CPU until the advent of dual-core was "based on" the original x86 CPUs way back in the mid-90s. This says nothing about the PS4's actual performance.

whatever they need to do to have a better price point next gen. $700 launch was a huge mistake.DaBrainz

It wasn't $700, but yes $600 was also too high.

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]'Based on' is such a loose term that leaves so many possibilities.dgsag

Even so, if they don't radically upgrade the rest of the hardware, we won't be seeing much more technically advanced games than possible on the PS3.

correct me if I'm wrong here but wasnt the Pentium 4 processor based on the pentium 1 processor?

[QUOTE="dgsag"]

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]'Based on' is such a loose term that leaves so many possibilities.Guybrush_3

Even so, if they don't radically upgrade the rest of the hardware, we won't be seeing much more technically advanced games than possible on the PS3.

correct me if I'm wrong here but wasnt the Pentium 4 processor based on the pentium 1 processor?

Yes. People are overreacting because they're used to companies like Sony and Microsoft grossly overspending on development just to gain a few marketing bullet points.

Heres the catch with the Cell processor in the PS3. If you want to do any backwards compatability with the PS4+ you will need to use a Cell processor or make an extremely powerful processor that can sucessfully emulate a cell chip.Wasdie

Just throw in 2 or 3 cell processors, thats bound to fix it right? :o

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]'Based on' is such a loose term that leaves so many possibilities.dgsag

Even so, if they don't radically upgrade the rest of the hardware, we won't be seeing much more technically advanced games than possible on the PS3.

[QUOTE="dgsag"]

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]'Based on' is such a loose term that leaves so many possibilities.Shafftehr

Even so, if they don't radically upgrade the rest of the hardware, we won't be seeing much more technically advanced games than possible on the PS3.

[QUOTE="Shafftehr"][QUOTE="dgsag"]

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]'Based on' is such a loose term that leaves so many possibilities.Teufelhuhn

Even so, if they don't radically upgrade the rest of the hardware, we won't be seeing much more technically advanced games than possible on the PS3.

I thought that the core processors were different than the pentium processors.

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"][QUOTE="Shafftehr"][QUOTE="dgsag"]

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]'Based on' is such a loose term that leaves so many possibilities.Guybrush_3

Even so, if they don't radically upgrade the rest of the hardware, we won't be seeing much more technically advanced games than possible on the PS3.

I thought that the core processors were different than the pentium processors.

a slightly different arragement of the transistors maybe, but nothing evolutionary

I thought that the core processors were different than the pentium processors.

Guybrush_3

I'd liked to point other that this is a RUMOR For all you fanboys gushing from your vaginas because its "based" around cell. That doesn't automatically mean its gonna be a PS3. They could always add more hardware and stuff and upgrade it to a much superior console then PS3. Also to the lems and sheep. You're laughing at Sony now, but do you know Nintendo's and Microsoft's next consoles? Oh I thought so you don't. I wouldn't get excited over a rumor. Nintendo and Microsoft are both casual and MS keeps showing more and more signs of going casual. Don't set yourselves up for a huge self-ownageStingerVXIII

This news is nothing new, it's been there game plan from the start. The whole point of them spending so much on Cell in teh first place was so that they would have an extensible platform for the future and for other products. Obviously the "other prioducts" part fizzled out, but there's no reason why they would have to reinvent the wheel yet again when they can just extend what they already have. Cell with 2 PPE's and 20 or so SPE's would have much more available performance, and would allow Sony + third parties to leverage all their existing tools and code/algorithms.

Teufelhuhn

yous teh smartnessz... i think what this guy said)

A huge mistake if you ask me.

Just like this generation; development costs will have increased significantly by the time the new consoles come out, more advanced games = higher content creation costs. This generation has seen a reduction in the number of exclusives; because more developers are spreading games across multiple platforms to cover the higher development costs.

I believe next generation will be more about who gets the better version of a game rather than who gets an exclusive. Being harder to develop for just means they are less likely to get the better version, time and effort that could have gone towards improvements would go towards doing the same stuff that is easier on other platforms.

They want to be the black sheep another generation? Fine, but they are going to get worse for it next gen. It is not like Cell will offer many advantages when every competitor is equipped with GPGPU.

I doubt they would do that considering the Cell has been a complete failure. Multi-core processors are the way of the future.bungie93

Yes that's why the most powerful supercomputer used cell's chips

I wonder how Crytek is going to feel if this is true. :lol:

dgsag

Crytek were talking about graphics in the article i think you're talking about, the graphics in the PS3 are based on a PCc card that is equivilant to the one found in new family desktops. The celll processor is pretty solid, IBM has done some work on them for that supercomputer they built so maybe something closer to that will go in it then simply upgrading the graphics to a 9*** or 2** base and adding in more stream processors would do the trick on the graphics front (pc graphics cards changed quite alot between 7*** and 8*** series. Ofcourse upgrading the RAM would help too and alot of memory is dirt cheap now.

I doubt they would do that considering the Cell has been a complete failure. Multi-core processors are the way of the future.bungie93

the Cell is multicore....

I doubt they would do that considering the Cell has been a complete failure. Multi-core processors are the way of the future.bungie93

[QUOTE="bungie93"]I doubt they would do that considering the Cell has been a complete failure. Multi-core processors are the way of the future.markop2003

the Cell is multicore....

Owned

[QUOTE="markop2003"]

[QUOTE="bungie93"]I doubt they would do that considering the Cell has been a complete failure. Multi-core processors are the way of the future.Pelon208

the Cell is multicore....

Owned

Cell is a single core processor, it has a single general purpose core that acts as a manager for the vector units.

I thought this was already made clear to PS3 users?