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#51 caryslan2
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@silversix_ said:

of course it outsold the bone. people that wanted a PS waited for the Pro to come out. Now that its out, everything went back as it should, ps4 crushing the console with no games.

So, what else is different in the alternate timeline you come from where the Xbox One gets "no games"(which would mean Final Fantasy XV, Titanfall 2, Battlefield 1, and other games don't come to the system and it must have even worse support then the Wii U.

I'm asking a serious question because you imply the Xbox One has "no games". Which means not only are there no games from the past on the system, but there are no current releases, nor any future games on the system.

Which is kinda funny given many major titles are coming to the Xbox One next year.

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@quadknight said:
@svaubel said:

Oh yay! I got quoted in a QuackKnight thread! Dude that post was months ago! Lol. So sad that you have to go that far back.

And for the record Im a chimera or whatever people call those that have every current system. I think its just funny and sad how easily you get so butthurt :D

Im awaiting your meme pic response.

So much asshurt for lems this week lmao.

Lol, the lem forgot to look at when the article was posted.

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#53  Edited By gago-gago
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Is Quack and Thumb the same person? I notice they do similar things like they go back and search previous posts and then mass quotes. Let's check their ISPs just to make sure.

And I'm not sure why Quack felt the need to quote what I said as it doesn't change the fact Sony not including 4K bluray is a missed opportunity to have a future proof console. No where in my paragraph where I stated any "comeback" of any sort. These gaming companies continue to see growth and continue to thrive.

It was Quack that said Microsoft and Nintendo aren't thriving so that's why they're releasing new hardware next year. Lolwhat but failed to mention how Sony released new hardware within weeks of each other back to back to back before the year ended but can't explain to you why that is LOL. Does that mean Sony isn't thriving too LOL.

Congrats to Sony on selling a lot of PS4s. I remember when the Wii was selling like crazy too but the other consoles continue to thrive. Next year the other two will have new and exciting hardware and console gaming will remain to thrive. The holy trinity, Xbox, Nintendo and PlayStation are here to stay!

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@kudotsunodafan said:

You also left out the most important news here:

40% more people on Live compared to last year. I like how Sony never talks about people actually playing their consoles. Sounds like something fishy is going on here.

Hahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa... Free PC accounts.. But but but 4 months in a row the xbox one is making a comeback..

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#55  Edited By DaVillain  Moderator
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For all those who say PS4 doesn't have exclusive games, what are they to say now?

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@mjorh said:

i don't think anyone expected otherwise.

Well-done.

The president and vice president of the National Lemming Party Crapgamer and Mooch deemed this month was Microsoft's to lose. Their leaders have spoken.

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Poor lems, but at least they got 4 months out of the 30+ months that cows have been enjoying.

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#58  Edited By StrongBlackVine
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Microsoft including PlayStation their PR now. Says consoles in general sold well. Can't beat them then join them!!

Also this should put to the myth that releasing exclusives in Fall matters and that Microsoft wins in holiday season in the US. They have lost 3 out of 4 Novembers this generation(the biggest month). It is about to be 2 out of 4 Decembers which would be 3 out of 4 if the PS4 wasn't supplied constrained at launch.

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@kudotsunodafan said:

So it takes Sony to launch PS4 Slim + PS4 Pro + PSVR just to win a single month over Xbox One. This is basically a victory for Microsoft. Even more so when you consider that everyone is waiting for Scorpio to release next year which is going to be a bloodbath.

Keep that seat warm for King Scorpio next year Sony.

Like Microsoft , since day 1 , didnt offer huge price cuts , coupons , free games , bundles over and over in order to even think to be competitive. They even cut out Kinect from original model and all that just to win in US alone for couple of a months out of 3 years !!? lol !!!

Majority of those who supposedly waiting for Scorpio are already PS4/Pro owners.Even die hard lems of this board ( others too ) that were "hating" on PS3 and SONY last generation now are in peace lol.

If Scorpio will cost way more than PRO it will be the end and thats not because Scorpio wont be any good for its money but mainly because SONYs exclusives are on point ...... and damn are many !!!

Days gone , New Uncharted , Last of Us 2 , Gran Turismo , God of War , NiOh , Remasters of epic PS titles like Crash trilogy and Parappa ,Last Guardian , Horizon , Death Stranding , ShenMu3 , Nier , Nioh , Persona 5 , SpiderMan , Wild , NiNoKuni 2 , Edith Finch and so many other games that already got released or will like Ace Combat 7 , is Fooking ridiculous what SONY is doing.

So how a better , more expensive hardware with zero exclusives will be able to compete with a weaker yet cheaper hardware thats already established worldwide big time and above all will be offering way wayyyy more exclusives ? Lets me tell you how ... NOT happening !

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@quadknight said:

Everyone but the lems saw this coming. It's always the same every year. Lems claim the Xbone is making a comeback then they get destroyed by actual sales results. The cycle will repeat next year when the Scorpio arrives.

Hmmm...I can't help but notice they are avoiding this thread. It's funny after the crazy claims they made in the last NPD thread...

Look at a few of rabid lem quotes from the last thread

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/xbox-now-4months-as-leader-in-npd-1-for-october-aa-33368117/?page=3

Where are these guys now?

Probable creating even more alt accounts...hahahahahaa

Wow at the magnificent ownage you just did,that is a truck of lemms which sure as hell owned them self..lol

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#61  Edited By QuadKnight
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@hrt_rulz01 said:
@svaubel said:

Oh yay! I got quoted in a QuackKnight thread! Dude that post was months ago! Lol. So sad that you have to go that far back.

And for the record Im a chimera or whatever people call those that have every current system. I think its just funny and sad how easily you get so butthurt :D

Im awaiting your meme pic response.

Lmao, yep. Dude needs to get a life.

Get ready for the usual response from him about lem tears or some bullsh** he always posts when he's got nothing else to say.

^ ^ What a meltdown lol.

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@tormentos said:
@quadknight said:

Everyone but the lems saw this coming. It's always the same every year. Lems claim the Xbone is making a comeback then they get destroyed by actual sales results. The cycle will repeat next year when the Scorpio arrives.

Hmmm...I can't help but notice they are avoiding this thread. It's funny after the crazy claims they made in the last NPD thread...

Look at a few of rabid lem quotes from the last thread

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/xbox-now-4months-as-leader-in-npd-1-for-october-aa-33368117/?page=3

Where are these guys now?

Probable creating even more alt accounts...hahahahahaa

Wow at the magnificent ownage you just did,that is a truck of lemms which sure as hell owned them self..lol

'twas nothing really. Lems make it too easy, they've been leaving a trail of selfownage for the past 4 months now. All I needed to do was bookmark one thread lol.

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Anyone with common sense knew people were holding out for the Pro which is why Microsoft won those past couple of months.

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#64  Edited By CuckofTreason
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>Look how much money my corporate masters are making everyone! BTFO!

Aye, I cracked and bought a PS4 when Pro came out. I've been shit-talking PS4 for not having games for years now, but Sony finally built up its library.

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@quadknight said:
@aigis said:

poor lems, they got a couple of months at least, though I guess nobody can say they didnt see this coming

Everyone but the lems saw this coming. It's always the same every year. Lems claim the Xbone is making a comeback then they get destroyed by actual sales results. The cycle will repeat next year when the Scorpio arrives.

Hmmm...I can't help but notice they are avoiding this thread. It's funny after the crazy claims they made in the last NPD thread...

Look at a few of rabid lem quotes from the last thread

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/xbox-now-4months-as-leader-in-npd-1-for-october-aa-33368117/?page=3

@makemefamous07 said:

Xbox gonna WIN the holidays for sure. These bundle sales are gonna sell thru the roof while PS4 will be dead. Sony fanboys wish they lived in Japan or Africa so they can brag about them sales again LOL. Woooo 4 months in a row & in Australia & UK. MS with the Xbox One S is pure win. The white box alone makes consumers want to buy it. 4k ultra blu ray is also a HUGE win

@gago-gago said:

Microsoft is making gaming great again, the movement can not be stopped!

In all seriousness, Sony not including 4k blu-ray in any of their PS4s is a pretty dumb ass move. Blah blah blah we play games not movies blah blah blah. Good for you. But in the real world, these consoles are options for doing more than gaming now. Having a gaming console that could play 4k blu-ray with a competitive price is very attractive for consumers. I bought a PS3 because of blu-ray and now have a nice collection of blu-rays. And it was my only blu-ray player until the Xbox One/PS4 came out. 4k is here to stay and MS including it and since sales are doing damn well was an awesome decision. Sony after decades of leading and supporting the most current formats all of a sudden not supporting the newest format now is mind boggling. Lastly, having a form of backward compatibility free just gives confidence to consumers that your games will go with you on future consoles is also a nice option that's paying off according to these sales.

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@Pray_to_me said:

We'll see how many of the Lemmings running their mouths in this thread will be feasting on the shit sandwich served by Sony for November with the PS4 pro.

We'll see if cows remain silent after being sprayed by a giant douche from MS in November. lol :P

@kvally said:

As of today, November 12, 2016, there one Xbox One S console in the top 100 on Amazon. However, there are 2 PS4 consoles and 1 PS Pro console in the top 100.

Interesting to see there are still a ton of the NON slim PS4's selling. Must be saturated.

@oflow said:

@Antwan3K: they are going to lose November too. the Xbox One S with sell a ton on Black Friday. The PS4 has pretty much reached market saturation and most people that own PS4s already are buying Xboxes not the Pro or PSVR.

Contrary to this forum, most people that own PS4s don't have gaming PCs, and Xbox has some games out right now worth playing, especially when you can get an S model with an extra controller, a game and a 4K player on the cheap.

$250 for an X1S or $400-500 for a Pro or PSVR....most people will pick the S.

@svaubel said:

Goes to show you that you need more than just an upgraded GPU in a console to sell it. the Slim has flown entirely under the radar and the Pro hardly anyone I know is talking about it, because there is really little reason to even get one. Add in that Sony's has a laughable holiday lineup for the third year in a row. No wonder Xbox is pulling ahead in monthly sales.

Stop being lazy Sony!

@VERTIGO47 said:

I'm not surprised at all really.

$299 for an UHD BR player + Xbox One exclusive titles (if not a PCMR) + 3rd party support + upgradable EHDD + Stable Online System = more bang for your buck

The XBOX ONE S is really THE XBOX people have been wanting after 3 years and THE XBOX that should have been launched.

@dynamitecop said:

Considering NPD tracks sales solely in the United States, Microsoft doesn't have to give figures. Even places like VGchartz would be accurate for the US given the sales information being readily available from the NPD group.

After all of this continual guff out of you was it really so trying for your brain to come to this simple conclusion?

That's a pretty shitty scapegoat, the Xbox One S is where the Xbox One needed to be, and the masses are finally recognizing it as a viable system.

Also it's pretty pathetic that you're trying to fault it for being a more feature rich device than its entire PS4 line of competition.

All these claims of lemming salt, but I'm unconvinced that Xbox fanboys actually exist.

These people either gave up ages ago or killed themselves out of grief.

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@n64dd said:

meanwhile in your other thread

"PS VR must be selling well this holiday."

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/ps-vr-must-be-selling-well-this-holiday-33371164/#42

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This is a nice echo chamber you've created here, what are the numbers?

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@KBFloYd said:
@n64dd said:

meanwhile in your other thread

"PS VR must be selling well this holiday."

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/ps-vr-must-be-selling-well-this-holiday-33371164/#42

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Congratulations Sony fans!

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sure seems like you do.

glad your second guessing throwing your money away on that VR though.

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#72  Edited By xGhostProtocolx
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WOOO! SONY IS KILLING IT THIS GEN WOOO! *ric flair voice*

the scorpio doesnt have a chance.

TLHBFO.

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Of course the PS4 sold more and will continue to sell more and never stopped selling more globally. It's the bigger and better brand with "real" exclusives. All those bundles from MS and those "fake" exclusives that are also on PC flopped. Uncharted 4 has outsold both Gears and Halo combined this generation lo and outsold every Xbox game this year (though there were not many). Also the standard PS4 was the best selling sku for November as it was number one on Amazon, Best Buy and Gamestop. The PS4 pro just made people wait to see if there would be a bundle or some deals. The Xbox One S only provided a slight boost because of Xbox fans upgrading. Notice their software sales were never up YOY and the so called moment didn't last long. It took the PS4 sales to slightly decline for Xbox to sell better anyway. PS4 over 50mil while Xbox is barely over 20mil after 3 years. Ouch! Next year is going to be even more of a slaughter.

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@caryslan2 said:
@silversix_ said:

of course it outsold the bone. people that wanted a PS waited for the Pro to come out. Now that its out, everything went back as it should, ps4 crushing the console with no games.

So, what else is different in the alternate timeline you come from where the Xbox One gets "no games"(which would mean Final Fantasy XV, Titanfall 2, Battlefield 1, and other games don't come to the system and it must have even worse support then the Wii U.

I'm asking a serious question because you imply the Xbox One has "no games". Which means not only are there no games from the past on the system, but there are no current releases, nor any future games on the system.

Which is kinda funny given many major titles are coming to the Xbox One next year.

You know he means Xbox has no exclusives and it doesn't. The few average games they have are on PC and have flopped. Also all third party sells much better on PS4 (even COD and BF) so those games are practically irrelevant on Xbox lol. I mean why buy an Xbox for those games when they are better on PS4 even before the Pro? At least you got UHD player, more Halo and backward compatibility to keep yo company. This is the worse Xbox has been and it all went down hill after Kinect as I said it would. Wow even Halo and Gears can't save the One ...true failure.

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#75  Edited By BluFalconUltra
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@AzatiS said:
@kudotsunodafan said:

So it takes Sony to launch PS4 Slim + PS4 Pro + PSVR just to win a single month over Xbox One. This is basically a victory for Microsoft. Even more so when you consider that everyone is waiting for Scorpio to release next year which is going to be a bloodbath.

Keep that seat warm for King Scorpio next year Sony.

Like Microsoft , since day 1 , didnt offer huge price cuts , coupons , free games , bundles over and over in order to even think to be competitive. They even cut out Kinect from original model and all that just to win in US alone for couple of a months out of 3 years !!? lol !!!

Majority of those who supposedly waiting for Scorpio are already PS4/Pro owners.Even die hard lems of this board ( others too ) that were "hating" on PS3 and SONY last generation now are in peace lol.

If Scorpio will cost way more than PRO it will be the end and thats not because Scorpio wont be any good for its money but mainly because SONYs exclusives are on point ...... and damn are many !!!

Days gone , New Uncharted , Last of Us 2 , Gran Turismo , God of War , NiOh , Remasters of epic PS titles like Crash trilogy and Parappa ,Last Guardian , Horizon , Death Stranding , ShenMu3 , Nier , Nioh , Persona 5 , SpiderMan , Wild , NiNoKuni 2 , Edith Finch and so many other games that already got released or will like Ace Combat 7 , is Fooking ridiculous what SONY is doing.

So how a better , more expensive hardware with zero exclusives will be able to compete with a weaker yet cheaper hardware thats already established worldwide big time and above all will be offering way wayyyy more exclusives ? Lets me tell you how ... NOT happening !

Exactly and the Xbox One S was released due to the poor sales as was the same for Kinect getting the axe. Lems stay delusional. Scorpio was not even in the making until Sony admitted the Pro was coming and MS decided to lie about it's existence at E3. If the Scorpio was already planned then there would be no XBOS because Scoprio would have released instead. Only Xbox fans will upgrade and Scorpio will fall flat as the XBOS has. Shame really. With Nintendo releasing crappy hardware and gimmicks I would have bought an Xbox One if it was worth buying for games.

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@blufalconultra said:
@AzatiS said:
@kudotsunodafan said:

So it takes Sony to launch PS4 Slim + PS4 Pro + PSVR just to win a single month over Xbox One. This is basically a victory for Microsoft. Even more so when you consider that everyone is waiting for Scorpio to release next year which is going to be a bloodbath.

Keep that seat warm for King Scorpio next year Sony.

Like Microsoft , since day 1 , didnt offer huge price cuts , coupons , free games , bundles over and over in order to even think to be competitive. They even cut out Kinect from original model and all that just to win in US alone for couple of a months out of 3 years !!? lol !!!

Majority of those who supposedly waiting for Scorpio are already PS4/Pro owners.Even die hard lems of this board ( others too ) that were "hating" on PS3 and SONY last generation now are in peace lol.

If Scorpio will cost way more than PRO it will be the end and thats not because Scorpio wont be any good for its money but mainly because SONYs exclusives are on point ...... and damn are many !!!

Days gone , New Uncharted , Last of Us 2 , Gran Turismo , God of War , NiOh , Remasters of epic PS titles like Crash trilogy and Parappa ,Last Guardian , Horizon , Death Stranding , ShenMu3 , Nier , Nioh , Persona 5 , SpiderMan , Wild , NiNoKuni 2 , Edith Finch and so many other games that already got released or will like Ace Combat 7 , is Fooking ridiculous what SONY is doing.

So how a better , more expensive hardware with zero exclusives will be able to compete with a weaker yet cheaper hardware thats already established worldwide big time and above all will be offering way wayyyy more exclusives ? Lets me tell you how ... NOT happening !

Exactly and the Xbox One S was released due to the poor sales as was the same for Kinect getting the axe. Lems stay delusional. Scorpio was not even in the making until Sony admitted the Pro was coming and MS decided to lie about it's existence at E3. If the Scorpio was already planned then there would be no XBOS because Scoprio would have released instead. Only Xbox fans will upgrade and Scorpio will fall flat as the XBOS has. Shame really. With Nintendo releasing crappy hardware and gimmicks I would have bought an Xbox One if it was worth buying for games.

Scorpio and Xbox One S development started at the same time so that's factually incorrect, Sony released a Slim model as well so was that due in part to poor sales?

If you're going to say things make sure they're not only founded on factual basis, but that they don't contradict your own line of speculative reasoning.

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#77  Edited By BluFalconUltra
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@dynamitecop said:
@blufalconultra said:
@AzatiS said:
@kudotsunodafan said:

So it takes Sony to launch PS4 Slim + PS4 Pro + PSVR just to win a single month over Xbox One. This is basically a victory for Microsoft. Even more so when you consider that everyone is waiting for Scorpio to release next year which is going to be a bloodbath.

Keep that seat warm for King Scorpio next year Sony.

Like Microsoft , since day 1 , didnt offer huge price cuts , coupons , free games , bundles over and over in order to even think to be competitive. They even cut out Kinect from original model and all that just to win in US alone for couple of a months out of 3 years !!? lol !!!

Majority of those who supposedly waiting for Scorpio are already PS4/Pro owners.Even die hard lems of this board ( others too ) that were "hating" on PS3 and SONY last generation now are in peace lol.

If Scorpio will cost way more than PRO it will be the end and thats not because Scorpio wont be any good for its money but mainly because SONYs exclusives are on point ...... and damn are many !!!

Days gone , New Uncharted , Last of Us 2 , Gran Turismo , God of War , NiOh , Remasters of epic PS titles like Crash trilogy and Parappa ,Last Guardian , Horizon , Death Stranding , ShenMu3 , Nier , Nioh , Persona 5 , SpiderMan , Wild , NiNoKuni 2 , Edith Finch and so many other games that already got released or will like Ace Combat 7 , is Fooking ridiculous what SONY is doing.

So how a better , more expensive hardware with zero exclusives will be able to compete with a weaker yet cheaper hardware thats already established worldwide big time and above all will be offering way wayyyy more exclusives ? Lets me tell you how ... NOT happening !

Exactly and the Xbox One S was released due to the poor sales as was the same for Kinect getting the axe. Lems stay delusional. Scorpio was not even in the making until Sony admitted the Pro was coming and MS decided to lie about it's existence at E3. If the Scorpio was already planned then there would be no XBOS because Scoprio would have released instead. Only Xbox fans will upgrade and Scorpio will fall flat as the XBOS has. Shame really. With Nintendo releasing crappy hardware and gimmicks I would have bought an Xbox One if it was worth buying for games.

Scorpio and Xbox One S development started at the same time so that's factually incorrect, Sony released a Slim model as well so was that due in part to poor sales?

If you're going to say things make sure they're not only founded on factual basis, but that they don't contradict your own line of speculative reasoning.

No they didn't. It's obvious because MS would have had both released. Here's some logic for you. Why would MS let Sony beat them with the Pro? Notice they beat Sony with the slimmer Xbox. Duh. Sony always releases a slimmer console and it had no added features like UHD as the S added. MS needed something to make the S appealing so it is not simply a slimmer Xbox like the PS4. Nothing has contradicted my comment, you just don't understand the logic. Regardless, Xbox sales are poor. That's why they don't give sales, but when they did back in September Xbox One was only at 22mil. Don't hate the truth man. Answer this question, why is the Scorpio releasing a year and a half after announcement? Why even announce it that soon right after Sony said the Pro was coming? Because MS is just reacting to Sony and just started working on the Scorpio, that's why.

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#78 dynamitecop
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@blufalconultra said:
@dynamitecop said:
@blufalconultra said:
@AzatiS said:
@kudotsunodafan said:

So it takes Sony to launch PS4 Slim + PS4 Pro + PSVR just to win a single month over Xbox One. This is basically a victory for Microsoft. Even more so when you consider that everyone is waiting for Scorpio to release next year which is going to be a bloodbath.

Keep that seat warm for King Scorpio next year Sony.

Like Microsoft , since day 1 , didnt offer huge price cuts , coupons , free games , bundles over and over in order to even think to be competitive. They even cut out Kinect from original model and all that just to win in US alone for couple of a months out of 3 years !!? lol !!!

Majority of those who supposedly waiting for Scorpio are already PS4/Pro owners.Even die hard lems of this board ( others too ) that were "hating" on PS3 and SONY last generation now are in peace lol.

If Scorpio will cost way more than PRO it will be the end and thats not because Scorpio wont be any good for its money but mainly because SONYs exclusives are on point ...... and damn are many !!!

Days gone , New Uncharted , Last of Us 2 , Gran Turismo , God of War , NiOh , Remasters of epic PS titles like Crash trilogy and Parappa ,Last Guardian , Horizon , Death Stranding , ShenMu3 , Nier , Nioh , Persona 5 , SpiderMan , Wild , NiNoKuni 2 , Edith Finch and so many other games that already got released or will like Ace Combat 7 , is Fooking ridiculous what SONY is doing.

So how a better , more expensive hardware with zero exclusives will be able to compete with a weaker yet cheaper hardware thats already established worldwide big time and above all will be offering way wayyyy more exclusives ? Lets me tell you how ... NOT happening !

Exactly and the Xbox One S was released due to the poor sales as was the same for Kinect getting the axe. Lems stay delusional. Scorpio was not even in the making until Sony admitted the Pro was coming and MS decided to lie about it's existence at E3. If the Scorpio was already planned then there would be no XBOS because Scoprio would have released instead. Only Xbox fans will upgrade and Scorpio will fall flat as the XBOS has. Shame really. With Nintendo releasing crappy hardware and gimmicks I would have bought an Xbox One if it was worth buying for games.

Scorpio and Xbox One S development started at the same time so that's factually incorrect, Sony released a Slim model as well so was that due in part to poor sales?

If you're going to say things make sure they're not only founded on factual basis, but that they don't contradict your own line of speculative reasoning.

No they didn't. It's obvious because MS would have had both released. Here's some logic for you. Why would MS let Sony beat them with the Pro? Notice they beat Sony with the slimmer Xbox. Duh. Sony always releases a slimmer console and it had no added features like UHD as the S added. MS needed something to make the S appealing so it is not simply a slimmer Xbox like the PS4. Nothing has contradicted my comment, you just don't understand the logic. Regardless, Xbox sales are poor. That's why they don't give sales, but when they did back in September Xbox One was only at 22mil. Don't hate the truth man. Answer this question, why is the Scorpio releasing a year and a half after announcement? Why even announce it that soon right after Sony said the Pro was coming? Because MS is just reacting to Sony and just started working on the Scorpio, that's why.

This has already been talked about and is not up for debate, Xbox One S and Scorpio began development at the same time, that's a fact.

The S is a much more similar console to the original Xbox One and largely of the same design so it's easy to understand why it made its way to the market before Scorpio.

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Not a surprise.

They just announced 50 million sold and the PS4 pro just released. PS4 has won the gen and it has been this way for years.

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#80 Flyincloud1116
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@dynamitecop said:
@blufalconultra said:
@dynamitecop said:
@blufalconultra said:
@AzatiS said:

Like Microsoft , since day 1 , didnt offer huge price cuts , coupons , free games , bundles over and over in order to even think to be competitive. They even cut out Kinect from original model and all that just to win in US alone for couple of a months out of 3 years !!? lol !!!

Majority of those who supposedly waiting for Scorpio are already PS4/Pro owners.Even die hard lems of this board ( others too ) that were "hating" on PS3 and SONY last generation now are in peace lol.

If Scorpio will cost way more than PRO it will be the end and thats not because Scorpio wont be any good for its money but mainly because SONYs exclusives are on point ...... and damn are many !!!

Days gone , New Uncharted , Last of Us 2 , Gran Turismo , God of War , NiOh , Remasters of epic PS titles like Crash trilogy and Parappa ,Last Guardian , Horizon , Death Stranding , ShenMu3 , Nier , Nioh , Persona 5 , SpiderMan , Wild , NiNoKuni 2 , Edith Finch and so many other games that already got released or will like Ace Combat 7 , is Fooking ridiculous what SONY is doing.

So how a better , more expensive hardware with zero exclusives will be able to compete with a weaker yet cheaper hardware thats already established worldwide big time and above all will be offering way wayyyy more exclusives ? Lets me tell you how ... NOT happening !

Exactly and the Xbox One S was released due to the poor sales as was the same for Kinect getting the axe. Lems stay delusional. Scorpio was not even in the making until Sony admitted the Pro was coming and MS decided to lie about it's existence at E3. If the Scorpio was already planned then there would be no XBOS because Scoprio would have released instead. Only Xbox fans will upgrade and Scorpio will fall flat as the XBOS has. Shame really. With Nintendo releasing crappy hardware and gimmicks I would have bought an Xbox One if it was worth buying for games.

Scorpio and Xbox One S development started at the same time so that's factually incorrect, Sony released a Slim model as well so was that due in part to poor sales?

If you're going to say things make sure they're not only founded on factual basis, but that they don't contradict your own line of speculative reasoning.

No they didn't. It's obvious because MS would have had both released. Here's some logic for you. Why would MS let Sony beat them with the Pro? Notice they beat Sony with the slimmer Xbox. Duh. Sony always releases a slimmer console and it had no added features like UHD as the S added. MS needed something to make the S appealing so it is not simply a slimmer Xbox like the PS4. Nothing has contradicted my comment, you just don't understand the logic. Regardless, Xbox sales are poor. That's why they don't give sales, but when they did back in September Xbox One was only at 22mil. Don't hate the truth man. Answer this question, why is the Scorpio releasing a year and a half after announcement? Why even announce it that soon right after Sony said the Pro was coming? Because MS is just reacting to Sony and just started working on the Scorpio, that's why.

This has already been talked about and is not up for debate, Xbox One S and Scorpio began development at the same time, that's a fact.

The S is a much more similar console to the original Xbox One and largely of the same design so it's easy to understand why it made its way to the market before Scorpio.

I would like a link to that fact.

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#81 BluFalconUltra
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@flyincloud1116 said:
@dynamitecop said:
@blufalconultra said:
@dynamitecop said:
@blufalconultra said:

Exactly and the Xbox One S was released due to the poor sales as was the same for Kinect getting the axe. Lems stay delusional. Scorpio was not even in the making until Sony admitted the Pro was coming and MS decided to lie about it's existence at E3. If the Scorpio was already planned then there would be no XBOS because Scoprio would have released instead. Only Xbox fans will upgrade and Scorpio will fall flat as the XBOS has. Shame really. With Nintendo releasing crappy hardware and gimmicks I would have bought an Xbox One if it was worth buying for games.

Scorpio and Xbox One S development started at the same time so that's factually incorrect, Sony released a Slim model as well so was that due in part to poor sales?

If you're going to say things make sure they're not only founded on factual basis, but that they don't contradict your own line of speculative reasoning.

No they didn't. It's obvious because MS would have had both released. Here's some logic for you. Why would MS let Sony beat them with the Pro? Notice they beat Sony with the slimmer Xbox. Duh. Sony always releases a slimmer console and it had no added features like UHD as the S added. MS needed something to make the S appealing so it is not simply a slimmer Xbox like the PS4. Nothing has contradicted my comment, you just don't understand the logic. Regardless, Xbox sales are poor. That's why they don't give sales, but when they did back in September Xbox One was only at 22mil. Don't hate the truth man. Answer this question, why is the Scorpio releasing a year and a half after announcement? Why even announce it that soon right after Sony said the Pro was coming? Because MS is just reacting to Sony and just started working on the Scorpio, that's why.

This has already been talked about and is not up for debate, Xbox One S and Scorpio began development at the same time, that's a fact.

The S is a much more similar console to the original Xbox One and largely of the same design so it's easy to understand why it made its way to the market before Scorpio.

I would like a link to that fact.

So would I. MS announced the Scorpio after Sony said Pro was coming. Then MS announced specs after PS4 Pro was revealed in September. Notice every time Sony said something about the Pro, MS made a claim that the Scorpio would have this and that but of course no exclusives lol.

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#82  Edited By dynamitecop
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@flyincloud1116 said:
@dynamitecop said:
@blufalconultra said:
@dynamitecop said:

Scorpio and Xbox One S development started at the same time so that's factually incorrect, Sony released a Slim model as well so was that due in part to poor sales?

If you're going to say things make sure they're not only founded on factual basis, but that they don't contradict your own line of speculative reasoning.

No they didn't. It's obvious because MS would have had both released. Here's some logic for you. Why would MS let Sony beat them with the Pro? Notice they beat Sony with the slimmer Xbox. Duh. Sony always releases a slimmer console and it had no added features like UHD as the S added. MS needed something to make the S appealing so it is not simply a slimmer Xbox like the PS4. Nothing has contradicted my comment, you just don't understand the logic. Regardless, Xbox sales are poor. That's why they don't give sales, but when they did back in September Xbox One was only at 22mil. Don't hate the truth man. Answer this question, why is the Scorpio releasing a year and a half after announcement? Why even announce it that soon right after Sony said the Pro was coming? Because MS is just reacting to Sony and just started working on the Scorpio, that's why.

This has already been talked about and is not up for debate, Xbox One S and Scorpio began development at the same time, that's a fact.

The S is a much more similar console to the original Xbox One and largely of the same design so it's easy to understand why it made its way to the market before Scorpio.

I would like a link to that fact.

http://nzgamer.com/features/1490/phil-spencer-interview.html/page-4/

So you can see the price of the S today. When we designed both of these, which we kind of designed in parallel. We thought about the price performance of what we wanted to hit with the Scorpio, relative to what we were going to be able to do with the S. So that we would have a good price continuum, so people wouldn’t look at these two things as so disconnected because of the price delta.

-Phil Spencer

They were being designed in parallel.

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#83 dynamitecop
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@blufalconultra said:
@flyincloud1116 said:
@dynamitecop said:
@blufalconultra said:

No they didn't. It's obvious because MS would have had both released. Here's some logic for you. Why would MS let Sony beat them with the Pro? Notice they beat Sony with the slimmer Xbox. Duh. Sony always releases a slimmer console and it had no added features like UHD as the S added. MS needed something to make the S appealing so it is not simply a slimmer Xbox like the PS4. Nothing has contradicted my comment, you just don't understand the logic. Regardless, Xbox sales are poor. That's why they don't give sales, but when they did back in September Xbox One was only at 22mil. Don't hate the truth man. Answer this question, why is the Scorpio releasing a year and a half after announcement? Why even announce it that soon right after Sony said the Pro was coming? Because MS is just reacting to Sony and just started working on the Scorpio, that's why.

This has already been talked about and is not up for debate, Xbox One S and Scorpio began development at the same time, that's a fact.

The S is a much more similar console to the original Xbox One and largely of the same design so it's easy to understand why it made its way to the market before Scorpio.

I would like a link to that fact.

So would I. MS announced the Scorpio after Sony said Pro was coming. Then MS announced specs after PS4 Pro was revealed in September. Notice every time Sony said something about the Pro, MS made a claim that the Scorpio would have this and that but of course no exclusives lol.

This is factually wrong, Microsoft announced Scorpio and its specifications in unison at E3 in June, information for the Neo leaked prior to this but there was no official announcement for the device until September 7th, 3 months after Scorpio was announced.

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Sony "exclusive" vs MS "exclusive". I know which one i'm going with...

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#85  Edited By casharmy
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@emgesp said:

Anyone with common senseknew people were holding out for the Pro which is why Microsoft won those past couple of months.

Hmm

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The stupid lems in this thread talking about Amazon don't seem to realize that those a were for PS4 Pro PRE-orders which won't count until actually sold. lol what is the victory dance here about?

As stated before, people were waiting for the Pro to release so this (xbone winning oct) is no surprise to anyone with half a brainbut then we see the posters making a big deal out of this as if they didn't realize Pro released on the 10th of Nov?

It's great that xbone finally got some wins (when everyone was holding off on buying PS4s to wait for the new version) but reaction of you lems is just too funny as if MS did something great or game changing...they didn't. This was Sony's move.

Sony is going to crush these last 2 month of the year so clearly that it will completely wipe away the small sale advantage the xbone had for the last 4 months in which people were waiting for the Pro to release, it's going to be funny to watch lems meltdown.

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/xbox-now-4months-as-leader-in-npd-1-for-october-aa-33368117/?page=1

No...the facts in this thread say otherwise, or confirms a certain group doesn't have any (common sense)

There were 0 lemming is that thread that seems to know people were waiting on PRO which is why I was decided to make that prophetic post, and it happened EXACTLY like I predicted...but your comment is just confirming something most of us already know about xbox fanboys...lemmings don't seem to have common sense.

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@dynamitecop said:
@flyincloud1116 said:
@dynamitecop said:
@blufalconultra said:
@dynamitecop said:

Scorpio and Xbox One S development started at the same time so that's factually incorrect, Sony released a Slim model as well so was that due in part to poor sales?

If you're going to say things make sure they're not only founded on factual basis, but that they don't contradict your own line of speculative reasoning.

No they didn't. It's obvious because MS would have had both released. Here's some logic for you. Why would MS let Sony beat them with the Pro? Notice they beat Sony with the slimmer Xbox. Duh. Sony always releases a slimmer console and it had no added features like UHD as the S added. MS needed something to make the S appealing so it is not simply a slimmer Xbox like the PS4. Nothing has contradicted my comment, you just don't understand the logic. Regardless, Xbox sales are poor. That's why they don't give sales, but when they did back in September Xbox One was only at 22mil. Don't hate the truth man. Answer this question, why is the Scorpio releasing a year and a half after announcement? Why even announce it that soon right after Sony said the Pro was coming? Because MS is just reacting to Sony and just started working on the Scorpio, that's why.

This has already been talked about and is not up for debate, Xbox One S and Scorpio began development at the same time, that's a fact.

The S is a much more similar console to the original Xbox One and largely of the same design so it's easy to understand why it made its way to the market before Scorpio.

I would like a link to that fact.

http://nzgamer.com/features/1490/phil-spencer-interview.html/page-4/

So you can see the price of the S today. When we designed both of these, which we kind of designed in parallel. We thought about the price performance of what we wanted to hit with the Scorpio, relative to what we were going to be able to do with the S. So that we would have a good price continuum, so people wouldn’t look at these two things as so disconnected because of the price delta.

-Phil Spencer

They were being designed in parallel.

This was just published in September after E3 lol. I am right with my claim. Thanks for proving me right.

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@dynamitecop said:
@blufalconultra said:
@flyincloud1116 said:
@dynamitecop said:
@blufalconultra said:

No they didn't. It's obvious because MS would have had both released. Here's some logic for you. Why would MS let Sony beat them with the Pro? Notice they beat Sony with the slimmer Xbox. Duh. Sony always releases a slimmer console and it had no added features like UHD as the S added. MS needed something to make the S appealing so it is not simply a slimmer Xbox like the PS4. Nothing has contradicted my comment, you just don't understand the logic. Regardless, Xbox sales are poor. That's why they don't give sales, but when they did back in September Xbox One was only at 22mil. Don't hate the truth man. Answer this question, why is the Scorpio releasing a year and a half after announcement? Why even announce it that soon right after Sony said the Pro was coming? Because MS is just reacting to Sony and just started working on the Scorpio, that's why.

This has already been talked about and is not up for debate, Xbox One S and Scorpio began development at the same time, that's a fact.

The S is a much more similar console to the original Xbox One and largely of the same design so it's easy to understand why it made its way to the market before Scorpio.

I would like a link to that fact.

So would I. MS announced the Scorpio after Sony said Pro was coming. Then MS announced specs after PS4 Pro was revealed in September. Notice every time Sony said something about the Pro, MS made a claim that the Scorpio would have this and that but of course no exclusives lol.

This is factually wrong, Microsoft announced Scorpio and its specifications in unison at E3 in June, information for the Neo leaked prior to this but there was no official announcement for the device until September 7th, 3 months after Scorpio was announced.

No you are wrong. Sony admitted PS4 Pro before E3 and said it would not be at E3. Look it up. MS announced Scorpio at E3 with no specs and just said it would be powerful, facts. Look at MS E3 2016 on youtube.

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#88  Edited By BluFalconUltra
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To end this pointless argument that I am winning.

June 10, 2016 Sony announced the PS4 Neo exists. http://gematsu.com/2016/06/sony-confirms-ps4-neo-not-e3

June 13, 2016 MS announces the Scorpio oh so suddenly lol with no specs or anything about it being developed along side the S http://gematsu.com/2016/06/microsoft-announces-project-scorpio

All he mentioned was teraflops with no specifications of actual GPU, CPU or RAM. He said nothing about being developed in Parallel and was just toting raw power at first and suddenly they are in unison. yeah ok. He literally mimicked everything that Sony said about the Pro.

Anyway, I won, you lost.

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I find it intriguing how people automatically think the Pro is the sole reason why there's a good amount of PS4s sold. Why is everyone forgetting that there were and are good PS4 Slim bundles at competitive prices. There were hardly any Pro deals, there were and are more Slim deals. I wish NPD showed better data by showing more detailed info by the SKU. They don't even show which system sold which games anymore too I believe. But yeah, SW should stand for Sales Wars now lol. Lastly I'm curious how does hardcore PC gamers feel about these console sales war?

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Shame we don't have numbers. Xbox One sales are probably bigger than Ps4 and Poo sales separately, but Sony ia combining the numbers of both systems. (Which is normal) Overall Microsoft still going very strong

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@FastRobby said:

Shame we don't have numbers. Xbox One sales are probably bigger than Ps4 and Poo sales separately, but Sony ia combining the numbers of both systems. (Which is normal) Overall Microsoft still going very strong

Uhhh ...the Pro is still a PS4 so yeah of course they are combining since you know it is a PS4 and not a new console. PS4 slim was the top selling console on Black Friday and November, but it doesn't matter since PS4 dominated. I guess you could say PS4 and pro were both bigger than any one Xbox bundle since they are all counted together too.

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@gago-gago said:

I find it intriguing how people automatically think the Pro is the sole reason why there's a good amount of PS4s sold. Why is everyone forgetting that there were and are good PS4 Slim bundles at competitive prices. There were hardly any Pro deals, there were and are more Slim deals. I wish NPD showed better data by showing more detailed info by the SKU. They don't even show which system sold which games anymore too I believe. But yeah, SW should stand for Sales Wars now lol. Lastly I'm curious how does hardcore PC gamers feel about these console sales war?

Damn dude...clear yourself up

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@blufalconultra said:
@FastRobby said:

Shame we don't have numbers. Xbox One sales are probably bigger than Ps4 and Poo sales separately, but Sony ia combining the numbers of both systems. (Which is normal) Overall Microsoft still going very strong

Uhhh ...the Pro is still a PS4 so yeah of course they are combining since you know it is a PS4 and not a new console. PS4 slim was the top selling console on Black Friday and November, but it doesn't matter since PS4 dominated. I guess you could say PS4 and pro were both bigger than any one Xbox bundle since they are all counted together too.

lol I am sure he means UNLIKE the xbone and the xboneS numbers that were counted the same the last few months...but let's not bring up that messy factoid because that wouldn't suit the current rodent agenda.

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@casharmy said:
@blufalconultra said:
@FastRobby said:

Shame we don't have numbers. Xbox One sales are probably bigger than Ps4 and Poo sales separately, but Sony ia combining the numbers of both systems. (Which is normal) Overall Microsoft still going very strong

Uhhh ...the Pro is still a PS4 so yeah of course they are combining since you know it is a PS4 and not a new console. PS4 slim was the top selling console on Black Friday and November, but it doesn't matter since PS4 dominated. I guess you could say PS4 and pro were both bigger than any one Xbox bundle since they are all counted together too.

lol I am sure he means UNLIKE the xbone and the xboneS numbers that were counted the same the last few months...but let's not bring up that messy factoid because that wouldn't suit the current rodent agenda.

LOL right. The Xbox One S actually has a new feature like UHD and HDR, which the original Xbox didn't have. PS4 Pro has nothing standard PS4 doesn't. Just better resolution and more power. Looking at Amazon the best selling Xbox has been the discounted original models anyway and not the S.

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#96  Edited By Flyincloud1116
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@dynamitecop said:
@flyincloud1116 said:
@dynamitecop said:
@blufalconultra said:

No they didn't. It's obvious because MS would have had both released. Here's some logic for you. Why would MS let Sony beat them with the Pro? Notice they beat Sony with the slimmer Xbox. Duh. Sony always releases a slimmer console and it had no added features like UHD as the S added. MS needed something to make the S appealing so it is not simply a slimmer Xbox like the PS4. Nothing has contradicted my comment, you just don't understand the logic. Regardless, Xbox sales are poor. That's why they don't give sales, but when they did back in September Xbox One was only at 22mil. Don't hate the truth man. Answer this question, why is the Scorpio releasing a year and a half after announcement? Why even announce it that soon right after Sony said the Pro was coming? Because MS is just reacting to Sony and just started working on the Scorpio, that's why.

This has already been talked about and is not up for debate, Xbox One S and Scorpio began development at the same time, that's a fact.

The S is a much more similar console to the original Xbox One and largely of the same design so it's easy to understand why it made its way to the market before Scorpio.

I would like a link to that fact.

http://nzgamer.com/features/1490/phil-spencer-interview.html/page-4/

So you can see the price of the S today. When we designed both of these, which we kind of designed in parallel. We thought about the price performance of what we wanted to hit with the Scorpio, relative to what we were going to be able to do with the S. So that we would have a good price continuum, so people wouldn’t look at these two things as so disconnected because of the price delta.

-Phil Spencer

They were being designed in parallel.

Yes and no. He said kind of, which you nor I really know what that means. It says nothing about developed, it only mention the design stage. Hey, you chose to go full parallel in every aspect and I expected nothing less from you.

I'm only going by what you just posted.

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@blufalconultra said:
@FastRobby said:

Shame we don't have numbers. Xbox One sales are probably bigger than Ps4 and Poo sales separately, but Sony ia combining the numbers of both systems. (Which is normal) Overall Microsoft still going very strong

Uhhh ...the Pro is still a PS4 so yeah of course they are combining since you know it is a PS4 and not a new console. PS4 slim was the top selling console on Black Friday and November, but it doesn't matter since PS4 dominated. I guess you could say PS4 and pro were both bigger than any one Xbox bundle since they are all counted together too.

Yeah they're not the same. TLG already showed us that they totally aren't, it's a different system

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#98  Edited By Flyincloud1116
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@FastRobby said:
@blufalconultra said:
@FastRobby said:

Shame we don't have numbers. Xbox One sales are probably bigger than Ps4 and Poo sales separately, but Sony ia combining the numbers of both systems. (Which is normal) Overall Microsoft still going very strong

Uhhh ...the Pro is still a PS4 so yeah of course they are combining since you know it is a PS4 and not a new console. PS4 slim was the top selling console on Black Friday and November, but it doesn't matter since PS4 dominated. I guess you could say PS4 and pro were both bigger than any one Xbox bundle since they are all counted together too.

Yeah they're not the same. TLG already showed us that they totally aren't, it's a different system

Keep trying Rob, watch this. The PS4 sales are probably bigger than the Xbore1 and the Xbore1Shit seperatedly, but MS is combing the number of both systems. (Which is normal) Overall Sony still going very strong.

See how desperate you sound in an attempt to quantify the X1 sales flop.

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@flyincloud1116 said:
@FastRobby said:
@blufalconultra said:
@FastRobby said:

Shame we don't have numbers. Xbox One sales are probably bigger than Ps4 and Poo sales separately, but Sony ia combining the numbers of both systems. (Which is normal) Overall Microsoft still going very strong

Uhhh ...the Pro is still a PS4 so yeah of course they are combining since you know it is a PS4 and not a new console. PS4 slim was the top selling console on Black Friday and November, but it doesn't matter since PS4 dominated. I guess you could say PS4 and pro were both bigger than any one Xbox bundle since they are all counted together too.

Yeah they're not the same. TLG already showed us that they totally aren't, it's a different system

Keep trying Rob, watch this. The PS4 sales are probably bigger than the Xbore1 and the Xbore1Shit seperatedly, but MS is combing the number of both shit systems.

The Xbox One base is no longer in production, just as the PlayStation 4 base is no longer in production.

Any sales of both of these consoles is the result of remaining stock on hand, Sony currently has two console options still being manufactured, Microsoft has one.

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#100 Flyincloud1116
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@dynamitecop said:
@flyincloud1116 said:
@FastRobby said:
@blufalconultra said:
@FastRobby said:

Shame we don't have numbers. Xbox One sales are probably bigger than Ps4 and Poo sales separately, but Sony ia combining the numbers of both systems. (Which is normal) Overall Microsoft still going very strong

Uhhh ...the Pro is still a PS4 so yeah of course they are combining since you know it is a PS4 and not a new console. PS4 slim was the top selling console on Black Friday and November, but it doesn't matter since PS4 dominated. I guess you could say PS4 and pro were both bigger than any one Xbox bundle since they are all counted together too.

Yeah they're not the same. TLG already showed us that they totally aren't, it's a different system

Keep trying Rob, watch this. The PS4 sales are probably bigger than the Xbore1 and the Xbore1Shit seperatedly, but MS is combing the number of both shit systems.

The Xbox One base is no longer in production, just as the PlayStation 4 base is no longer in production.

Any sales of both of these consoles is the result of remaining stock on hand, Sony currently has two console options still being manufactured, Microsoft has one.

It may not be in production, but i seen many Xbore1 on hand a retailers I visited in a few states on my holiday travels. I also seen some on online stores. That doesn't change the validity of my statement.