PS5 GPU comparable to gtx 2070 super

https://gamerant.com/playstation-5-gpu-gtx-2070-super-graphics-card/amp/

The report describes the PlayStation 5's GPU chip, "Oberon," which can run up to 2.000 GHz and provide 9.2 teraflops of performance. While Oberon already outperforms its immediate predecessor (the PS4 Pro, which can only provide 4.2 teraflops of performance), the report compares the chip's capabilities to the GeForce RTX 2070 Super Graphics Card, a cutting edge graphics processing unit. Its findings reveal that the two systems have very similar statistics, as the RTX 2070 Super also performs at a little over 9 teraflops. However, PCMag ultimately concludes that the PlayStation 5 edges out the competition with a "higher GPU performance."

hmmm I somehow doubt that...

That news is old as hell.

Which confirms the XSeX is equivalent to 3090TI

Thats it? Yikes.

AMD Tflops =/= Nvidia Tflops

Somehow I doubt it is a direct comparison like that.

Will need to take a hit somewhere, either in texture detail or frames per second.

Like I've been saying, next-gen's consoles are already outdated by current-gen PC tech the second they are released.

Console fans need to give up the hardware fight because it's one they will never win. Period. Focus on your strengths in your arguments, not your weaknesses. Good enough hardware is exactly that: "good enough". Don't tell yourself it's exceptional, though.

@xantufrog:

Unlikely

From https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2080-super-founders-edition/27.html

There's a large 55 percent gap between RX 5700 XT and RTX 2080 Ti.

Basic scaling for RDNA at 12 TFLOPS from RX 5700 XT's 8.9 TFLOPS game boost mode would reach 102.5 percent from RTX 2080 Super.

PS5's 9.2 TFLOPS to 10.25 TFLOPS would be around RTX 2070 Super level.

@mrbojangles25: How the heck is an RTX 2070 Super outdated?

@Tessellation:

http://www.redgamingtech.com/investigating-the-ps5-xbox-series-x-gpu-architectures/

New specs PS5 Paste Bin has 40 CU at 2000Mhz (10.25 TFLOPS) and 512 GB/s.

Known RDNA Shader Engine has reached 24 CU e.g. NAVI 14, hence dual RDNA Shader Engine can support 44 CU configuration i.e. 40 CU active with 4 CU disabled for improved yields.

You do know that AMD's 9tflops are ~7 nvidia's tflops, right? Right? This has been pointed out numerous times in numerous other thread already.

@mrbojangles25: Dude, I have an RTX 2070 Super and how the hell is it outdated? Even the GTX 1070 is still a formidable GPU that isn't outdated at all.

I'll be straight up honest and say PS5 needs to be at least on par with current hardware PC cause I'm getting tired of seeing consoles holding PC back.

RX 5700 XT has 8.9 TFLOPS at game boost clock speed which is 1755 Mhz.

RTX 2070 FE has 7.9 TFLOPS at 1710 Mhz paper specs‬, but NVIDIA RTX GPUs can exceed 1700 Mhz.

For RTX 2070 FE's real average clock speed profile (revealing NVIDIA's stealth overclock modes)

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2070-founders-edition/37.html

3D Load average clock speed: 1862 Mhz yields 8.58 TFLOPS

3D Load median clock speed: 1875 Mhz yields 8.64 TFLOPS

Conclusion: Turing TFLOPS with average real clock speed and NAVI TFLOPS at game boost mode are similar.

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Also, Turing CUDA cores are split between floating-point and integer e.g. RTX 2070 has 2304 floating-point and 2304 integer cores.

AMD NAVI's stream processors have shared integer and floating workloads.

2070 super is a great card so good news I guess, have the card myself and quite happy about it! However by the time the ps5 comes out the next generation of cards (30xx) is out so isn’t excactly cutting edge text they use, but for a expected 500$ price you can’t really fault the value of money the ps5!

@ronvalencia: it was a joke

First gen I am skipping. TLOU 2 will be playable on my PS4 and no need for Xbox. Only exclusive I care about.

@xantufrog: Feel our pain...lol

Let's wait and get confirmation direct from Sony. They've already denied the 9.2Terflop rumor last week so this is outdated to say the least.

2070 Super is outdated and consoles holding back PC gaming. Some PC gamers don't even know what reality is anymore.

@Pedro: don’t think anyone is saying 2070 super is outdated now, but as you might now ps5 isn’t coming out anytime soon..

This is based on Komachi leaks,which didn't even show hardware ray tracing when even sony confirm it,and also Komachi admitted him self that AMD used fake ID to on purpose throw off leakers so is not warranty.

I don't think the PS5 will have a 2.0GHZ SOC,that is asking for problems when you can achieve similar result with something bigger at lower speeds.

But even if it was true a 2070super would be quite nice most PC don't even have that today.

The PS5 is 9 or 10 months away,i don't know what soon means on your language but in mine that is quite soon.

Is not like it is coming in 2023 were that 2070 super would be compromised badly,most gamers on PC don't even own a 2070 super or have a GPU as powerful as that,not now not 10 months from now.

Its coming this year. That's soon for me.

How is the 2070 Super, "outdated?"

The problem is, if the PS5 matches the upper mid tier GPU released in 2018-2019, what do we call the PS5 in 2025-2027, when it's later in its cycle and matching a GPU that will then the bare minimum required to run new AAA games? That's the problem with console gaming and holding the industry back. They handcuff developers and consumers to decade old technology.

Most PC gamers now don't have a 2070 super and will not either by this holiday.

For $500 what you get with the PS5 will cost you much more on PC,regardless of the usual hype and bullshit that comes out i don't see sony matching a 2080ti or going beyond that,because of cost,neither MS.

I think that for what they will offer and compare to what we had on 2013 this is quite nice,alto i don't think that leak is a given.

Firstly, this holding back nonsense is exactly that nonsense. Please refrain from falsehood. Another fact that is routinely missed is that performance advances has come to an all time crawl. The difference between the 1080 Ti and 2080 Ti is 50% if you are lucky. That's 2 years between cards and the gap is decreasing. Diminishing returns is on full blast. Not sure why so many folks heads are in the sand. By the time 2025-2027 arrives they would be a newer system. Even then the advances would be less significant that now.

THat's exactly my point. Perhaps I chose my words poorly, but what I meant was that the PS5 will be out all of about a year or so before the next iteration of GPU's are released. After that, it will only be another year or two before the next iteration are out. So a mere one year into the PS5's life it will be outdated, and after three years (with an estimated 2-3 years left before the PS6 comes out) it will be severely outdated.

So no, the 2070 is not an outdated card now. And it will be sufficient for years to come, of course, but as far as new tech and stuff it just seems like if Sony was being smart about it, they'd want to offer something BETTER than a 2070-equivalent for future proofing.

@goldenelementxl: How come the average hermits rig which according to Steam consists of GTX 1060 and weaker cards don't hold gaming back? .50% of people in December had an RTX 2080 ti. I know a lot of people on these like to brag about having top tier kit and I'm sure many do, but they need to realize they are extreme outliers.

You don't know PC hardware...

First, why are you bringing up the 1080Ti and 2080Ti? Those are enthusiast cards that punch well above anything the consoles are meant to do. The PS4, launched in 2013 and is comparable to a 7850 type GPU. In 2013 there were 16 GPUs better than that the 7850. We've since had 4 GPU generations. Lets look how PC gaming has grown since then. For examples, the recommended GPU to run Cyberpunk at 1080p is a GTX 1070. The GTX 1070 is better than any GPU available in 2013. There are over 15 GPUs better than the GTX 1070 in 2020 and there is another launch around the corner. There has been TONS of growth in the GPU space. The consoles stayed the consoles. Cyberpunk 2077, 720p 30ish fps confirmed? Beyond PCs lowest settings?

Imagine if CDPR didn't have to worry about developing on hardware equivalent to the 17th best GPU in 2013... If that's not holding gaming back, I don't know what is

@nfamouslegend: yup - I've said this for ages. Even games exclusive to PC must cater to the broad market. They can, within reason, push the envelope and encourage HW upgrading, but to be profitable they have to support a broad range of the market. I think if consoles vanished off Tue face of the earth that game development would still be "held back" by the not-so-heinous need to have the game actually marketable. I'm sorry, but I don't upgrade my GPU every 2 years and I'm damn glad that in my 30+ years of PC gaming the developers haven't forced me to do so

@mrbojangles25: Sony will likely make a PS5 Pro. Also a GPU that is slightly faster than a RTX 2070S in a console will always outperform a desktop card, just look at what they are doing with a 1.8TF GCN chip now. If I had told people in 2017 that the PS5 will greatly outperform a Vega 64 that is rated at 12.5TF people would tell me to GTFO. A 10.25TF PS5 is roughly the equivalent of a 14TF GCN card. And if MS really put a 12TF chip in Series X it will be roughly a 16TF GCN chip. They also throw in a 8c16t Zen2 CPU, SSD, case, UHD Blu ray, HDD and controller. Not bad value for me.

Please, don't come with nonsense that I don't know PC hardware. Try that tripe with someone else.

Its obvious you missed the point. At the highest level of advancement in GPU performance over a two year period we got a 50% upgrade. The difference is even smaller on the mid and lower tier. GPU advances; especially in performance are shrinking. This something you are aware of or should be.

Your second paragraph directly counters your claim that consoles are keeping gaming back because you need a GTX 1070 as the minimum to play the game on PC yet, the same game plays on weaker hardware (consoles). CDPR is not even supporting the newer consoles with Cyberpunk but "consoles keeping gaming back". I don't know if you or other folks that default that flawed logic even know what is being "held back".

Probably one of these days you will realize that its not hardware or developers holding back gaming, its gamers. Gamers want and has always wanted the same old same old. Folks on forums like these can yell to the top of their voice about all the things they dream about having in a game. The real world doesn't care and would continue not to care. Because they don't care developers don't care either because the majority wins in this battle.

4 different insiders that have been pretty accurate said the 9.2 TF number is old and outdated.

This why this argument is tiresome and should just be avoided because its flawed. Its made worse by people who SHOULD know better. But they are here parroting Internet nonsense.

Lets be real for a second how many GPU right now are better than the 2070 super by how much and how much they cost?

Seems like Sony and MS were looking for that magic multiplier factor 2X.

Sony 3rd place next gen again?

PS5 equivalent to 2070 Super...

But all PS4/X1 users automatically became PS5/XSX owners on the release date, right? It's definitely not like the MOST console users won't have PS5/XSX, not this holiday, not the holiday after that.

There will always be more PCs powerful than their competing consoles. That has always been the case and will remain so.

Yeah, good luck with that.

Seems like the return of babybackballbagbullshit LOL

@cainetao11: It’s kinda crazy. It was just a few years ago Lems were all over this board trying to say the X was a 1070. They were wrong and Cows let them have it. Now Cows are here claiming they have a 2070 Super. Then your point about tflops. The hypocrisy by Cows is mind blowing. But both sides have more in common than they would like to admit in terms of hypocrisy.

It’s becoming increasingly difficult to know what matters in System Wars and what doesn’t.

LOL I actually edited my post because I don't really care anyway. But yes, in 2013 the math of 1.8 TFLOPS vs 1.3 was concrete and that's all lems. But somehow 9 TFLOPS is matching 2070 Super and what about the series X 12 TFLOPS? LMAO

Even if it is the equivalent to a 2070 super, wouldn't it still out perform the 2070 super because the games are coded different?

Not with Vulkan/ DX12 API's being the standard anymore pretty much same playing field with overheads. The only thing that PS5 could have over RTX 2070S is if they are using a stronger 3rd party Ray Tracing solution and the ssd caching system in feeding the GDDR6 pool for better texture streaming.

@pc_rocks:

No but it is a new gen,that start from zero and pick up faster than PC which adoption rates are super slow.

Fact is a 2070 super is not on most PC out there and will not be for years.

@goldenelementxl:

Well I didn't say that at least and I don't think this leak is true,if the series X is 12TF should be over a 2070 super probably,I don't know what the ps5 has I am just saying that if it has something like that it would be great.

Not really that's a thing of the past. GPU's on PC and Consoles are about the same now performance wise.

Also 4k isn't much of a thing on PC so with PC focusing on 1080p or 1440p which are the resolutions PC functions at u need a whole lot less GPU performance then consoles to get comparable performance.

Here example:

1080p:

2070 super = 129 fps

old as hell 470 radeon = 62 fps

4k:

2070 super = 61 fps

Which basically equals 470 on 1080p.

8k vs 1080p

1080p:

2080ti = 189 fps.

950 gtx = 26 fps

4k:

2080 ti: 26 fps.

950 gtx: 28 fps at 1080p ( 950 gtx is basically comparable towards Gpu inside the PS4 ).

Now imagine a weaker then 2080ti GPU which the 2070 super is ~30%.

Back to 4k.

Now imagine raytracing added on that console GPU which will drop performance even harder, PC's will easily steamrol those consoles.

If you play at 1080p and have a 2016 mid gen GPU with 8gb of v-ram u will be fine most likely for the entire generation unless 4k isn't getting targeted on that console, but even if they drop the resolution towards 1440p and won't use raytracing the GPU needed in PC will be comparable towards a vega 56 or 1080 / 2060 ( probably 3050 gtx ).