PS5 GPU comparable to gtx 2070 super

The answer is GTX 1080 Ti, RTX 2080 Super and RTX 2080 Ti has six GPCraster engine front ends hardware.

Block diagram for RTX 2080 Ti

Like AMD's diminishing returns with adding CU on quad Shader Engine with quad raster engine GPU framework, NVIDIA adds CUDA cores into six GPCraster engine GPU framework and it's hitting diminishing returns.

The workaround is to increase the clock speed which scales both CUDA cores and raster engines at the same time.

From https://wccftech.com/nvidia-ampere-gpu-geforce-rtx-3080-3070-specs-rumor/

Credit: https://twitter.com/kopite7kimi

• GA100 8GPC*8TPC*2SM 6144bit (this is HBM 2)
• GA102 7GPC*6TPC*2SM 384bit
• GA103 6GPC*5TPC*2SM 320bit
• GA104 6GPC*4TPC*2SM 256bit
• GA106 3GPC*5TPC*2SM 192bit
• GA107 2GPC*5TPC*2SM 128bit

Rumored GA102 has 7 GPC design, hence 7raster engine front ends. NVIDIA is not AMD/RTG! Ampere combines higher clock speed and GPC horizontal expansion.

I plan to buy the next MSI RTX 3080 Ti Gaming X.

AMD needs to glue two RX 5700 XT (dual RDNA shader engines) for RDNA's Hawaii style quad shader engine config.

Except that claim is false because the 1080 Ti was relative to its predecessor, one of the fastest cards released. This was one generation ago. The whole argument of diminishing returns falls flat pretty quickly when only a single generation back, it didn't hold at all.

All I know is the PS5 will be a great upgrade over the PS4/Xbone.

The jump is worth it.

@Gatygun said:

@npiet1 said:

Even if it is the equivalent to a 2070 super, wouldn't it still out perform the 2070 super because the games are coded different?

Not really that's a thing of the past. GPU's on PC and Consoles are about the same now performance wise.

Also 4k isn't much of a thing on PC so with PC focusing on 1080p or 1440p which are the resolutions PC functions at u need a whole lot less GPU performance then consoles to get comparable performance.

Here example:

1080p:

2070 super = 129 fps

old as hell 470 radeon = 62 fps

4k:

2070 super = 61 fps

Which basically equals 470 on 1080p.

8k vs 1080p

1080p:

2080ti = 189 fps.

950 gtx = 26 fps

4k:

2080 ti: 26 fps.

950 gtx: 28 fps at 1080p ( 950 gtx is basically comparable towards Gpu inside the PS4 ).

Now imagine a weaker then 2080ti GPU which the 2070 super is ~30%.

Back to 4k.

Now imagine raytracing added on that console GPU which will drop performance even harder, PC's will easily steamrol those consoles.

If you play at 1080p and have a 2016 mid gen GPU with 8gb of v-ram u will be fine most likely for the entire generation unless 4k isn't getting targeted on that console, but even if they drop the resolution towards 1440p and won't use raytracing the GPU needed in PC will be comparable towards a vega 56 or 1080 / 2060 ( probably 3050 gtx ).

That chart is at 8K where the 2080 Ti scores 26fps.

What makes you think that SONY won't release a PS5 Pro?

@zaryia: Doesn't the RTX 2070 cost $400 right now?

Now the PS5 will cost around $500 and includes a GPU, chassis, PSU, CPU, Ram, SSD, controller, power cables, OS, 4K-UHD Blu Ray drive, motherboard and cooling.

if the PS5 is even as powerful as an RTX 2060, that's amazing for a $500 machine.

@zaryia: When has Sony ever been third?

PS1 - 1st

PS2 - 1st

PS3 - 2nd

PS4 - 1st

PS5 will probably first again, like they usually are.

Over 20% slower than the Aorus GTX 1080 Ti I bought 2 yxears ago and around the power of the XeX ... sounds realistic to me.

Sorry, that never happened in the past nor will it happen now. Should I link your flawed argument about it where you got owned in the past?

There will always be more powerful PC's out there then the consoles it competes with.

Fact is most console owners don't have Pro/X nor will most console owners have PS5/XSX come holiday or the holiday after that or the holiday even after that.

I agree with the gist of your post but don't agree that consoles don't held back gaming. For example, what's the minimum requirements for current AAA PC games? Let's go down to the bottom of the barrel and say GTX 670 which I'm pretty sure is not. Even then it's older than PS4 and is significantly more powerful than it after considering the limited VRAM.

So yeah, the baseline PC hardware is way stronger than consoles and will always be. You don't need to upgrade GPU every 2 years for that, nor is it necessary.

@Mozelleple112

Now the PS5 will cost around $500 and includes a GPU, chassis, PSU, CPU, Ram, SSD, controller, power cables, OS, 4K-UHD Blu Ray drive, motherboard and cooling.

if the PS5 is even as powerful as an RTX 2060, that's amazing for a $500 machine.

I agree.

I've never had console in my life - PC gamer, but if ps5 will sell for 500$ with that specs, i will buy it without thinking.

For me its just not realistic to be below 800$ with that performance, and the whole point of consoles is that they are for easy to setup (no need to mess with settings, etc. just start and play the game) cheap gaming for masses, and i'm not saying that in disrespectful way. But i doubt that many consoles would sell at that price, so i'm really looking forward for Sony's official response.

That will do me

A 2021 Black Friday purchase for around £400 with games,sweet

You never owned anyone but your sorry self.

FACT is PC adoption rate is super slow period.

54% of PC on steam still are on 4 cores,GPU memory 6GB and the primary resolution still is 1080p.

And is quite easy to see why the 1060GTX is not a 4k GPU just like the xbox one X and Pro aren't.

1080p... lol thats been a peasant inside the master race.

I was talking about library. PC beat out PS for the last 3 gens. XBOX360 beat it out last gen as 2nd place, making PS3 3rd. PS1 may have been 1st place, don't remember that far back.

@zaryia: you must have CTE if you think xbox3shitty won anything lol. PS3 smoked it bud

Nobody cares about the adoption rate or whatever imaginary metric you're trying to hide behind. Fact of the matter is there are more powerful PC's out there than Pro/X1X or PS4/X1 and there will be more powerful PC's already out there than PS5/XSX.

That 54% demolishes the 100% PS4+X1 owners with primary resolution way lower than 1080p in many cases because they are still using 2010 technology. Way to own your self.

You have been owned on this very topic years back. And it was proven even before that because I also found Cloud_Imperium's topic while searching for it. As I said in the past cows like to repeat their lies after proven to be false over and over again in hopes someone will just accept it.

Remain butthurt that you can't dispute that no matter what cherry picked criteria you choose. But most PC gamers, most PC gamers and always forgets about the MOST CONSOLE GAMERS.

XB360 had more aaa/aa titles at GS.

This isn't a sales thread and you aren't a CEO. That doesn't really matter to us.

That being said, more PC gamers will own a PC that beats a PS5 than the number of PS5s sold within a year or 2 of the gen.

Just like with PS4, PS3, PS2.

@Tessellation:

With the latest reviews and drivers.

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/sapphire-radeon-rx-5600-xt-pulse/27.html

https://www.pcgamer.com/au/amd-radeon-rx-5600-xt-review/

RX 5700 XT is very close to RTX 2070 Super and aging GTX 1080 Ti.

For Techpowerup's average, the difference between RX 5700 XT and RTX 2070 Super is just 9 percent

For PC Gamer's average, the difference between RX 5700 XT and RTX 2070 Super is just 6 percent

Sony already confirms raytracing acceleration is in the GPU.

https://www.wired.com/story/exclusive-playstation-5/

Cerny: “There is ray-tracing acceleration in the GPU hardware,” he says, “which I believe is the statement that people were looking for.”

RDNA 2's compute shaders behavior will be similar to RDNA 1 when optional features are not used.

Turing's CUDA compute behaves like Volta's CUDA when optional features are not used .

Both MS and Sony are not paying the retail price tags and they both obtain licenced IP from AMD. MS and Sony has wafer start risk not AMD.

RX 5600 XT (160 watts) is on par with RTX 2060 with a 192-bit memory bus PCB design.

Both RX 5600 XT and RTX 2060 has 256-bit bus trace lines on the PCB with 192-bit bus being active.

BOM cost for RX 5600 XT is similar to RX 5700 XT minus two GDDR6 chips. Both RX 5600 XT and RX 5700 XT has NAVI 10 silicon.

BOM cost for RTX 2060 is similar to RTX 2070 minus two GDDR6 chips. Both RTX 2060 and RTX 2070 has TU106 silicon.

RX 5600 XT shows inefficient RX Vega 64.

If the PS5 has a GPU comparable to the 2070 that would be bad ass! I am all in on PS5 and Xbox X anyway!

The problem is though these GPU's out now are a year old and both AMD and Nvidia will have NEW gpu's with higher performance for the same price.

So a 3060 will be $300-350 and has the specification to compete against a 2070 Super(PS5)... Then each year it will be worse and a worse.

Consoles are only ever truly impressive on launch but then after the first year PC sub $200 GPU's match them, happened with a 750 Ti vs X1 this generation.

You can get a PS4 Pro performance in a $120 GPU like a RX 570.

On launch these two consoles will be mid tier GPU's and after a year entry level GPU's... The XSX won't take much longer to be meh in terms of performance.

Ignore him.

Lets use his adoption rate argument:

Steam has 90 million active users a month and 1 Billion accounts:

• GTX 1070 = 3.82%
• RTX 2060 = 2.98%
• GTX 1080 = 2.60%
• GTX 1660 = 2.05%
• RTX 2060 S = 0.4%
• RTX 2070 = 1.9%
• GTX 1660 Ti = 1.49%
• GTX 1070 Ti = 1.33%
• GTX 1080 Ti = 1.3%
• RTX 2080 = 1%
• RTX 2070 S = 0.61%
• RTX 2080 S = 0.32%
• RX 5700 XT = 0.22%
• RTX 2080 Ti = 0.49%

That is 20.51% of 90 million users = 18.45 million people with GPU's better than the X1X and PS4 Pro!

X1+X1X sales = 41 million

If I were to include a GTX 1060 with its own 20% and the rest of the cards stronger than a X1... it would be almost double the sales of a 41 millions Xbox sold, and you wonder why Xbox and Sony are bringing games to PC?

Lets not forget that the Microsoft is launching with a cheaper and weaker console... How many People will buy the pricier one?...

Also...

• RTX 2070 = 1.9%
• RTX 2080 = 1%
• RTX 2070 S = 0.61%
• RTX 2080 S = 0.32%
• RTX 2080 Ti = 0.49%

So 4.32 % of 90 Million users = 3.8 Million

3.8 Million users 1 YEAR before the PS5 are experiencing that performance and some actually better than both the PS5 and XSX?... Low adoption rates?...

Consoles sell more sure, but these people are acting like 1,000 people have high end PC's.

This is a dumb argument, slow rate of adoption?... Do these people even math.

XBO will not happen again. Without Kinect, XBO's 363 mm2 size chip would have 28 CU scale GCN. 32 MB ESRAM has consumed ~1/3 of 363 mm2 i.e. 2/3 of 362 mm2 could have supported GCN with 241 mm2 which is larger than Pitcairn's 212 mm2.

X1X's GPU was constrained by its cooling solution while XSX's larger case indicates a larger cooling solution.

MS didn't maximize X1X's 44 CU scale GCN with its restricted cooling solution.

Will the PS4 happen again?... because the 750 Ti did almost the same thing to that console.

Microsoft is releasing 2 SKU's so what price will they be how much will it sell... who knows, will 12 TFLOPs on Navi actualy scale or was Nvidia right when they said next generation of consoles are slower than a 2080 Max Q.

WE don't know. All we know is 2x the GPU power of a X1X.

NVIDIA's dear leader "next generation of consoles are slower than a 2080 Max Q" is BS

Desktop RX 5700 XT can beat gimped 2080 Max Q. LOL

And you don't work for DF or have any expertice on graphics other than your fake PC.

No they will not specially with how powerful the machine will be this time.

Again the top GPU on PC now by a land slide is the 1060.

After that is fallow with almost half the point by the 1050ti..lol

Disp;lay resolution 1080p..lol

A resolution that even some PS3 and xbox 360 game ran more than 10 years ago.

But then again you don't need that much horse power to run the most 3 most played games on Steam they could run on PS3 or 360,hell GTAV as well which was a PS3 xbox 360 game.

You don't need a ferrari to run on a bicycle trail.🤷‍♂️

1-This gen consoles were much weaker than last gen one on launch,second this is the first gen were console release a mid gen platform,which again will not sell that well.

The 1060 is basically there with the xbox one X,slower in some games faster in other so you can't account it as been stronger in all games.

But then again lets talk about how more than HALF of steam userbase been in 1080p,a resolution which even the PS3 could pull and the 360.

Since you like numbers..

88.05% of steam is on 1080p and lower.

From those 11.95% only 1.54 runs games at 4k 1440p has 6%+.

Since when you can run games in 4k on PC?

Since when you can run games on PC on 1080p?

Did you know 1080p is basically a TV resolution,basically make popular not by PC but by blu-ray,yeah that crap the PS3 supported on 2006,you do know the PS3 has several games on that resolution?

How come PC still stagnated by a whopping 88.05% on 1080P or less?

What 14 years after the PS3 most PC gamers are on 1080p or less.

So please stop your tears,most people simply don't care about 1440p,even less for 4k 1.5% is a total failure of adoption rate.

Out of 90 million users thasts nothing not even 2 millions.

Again look at what steam player are playing and you see why 4k is not in a hurry for PC gamers.

More than 100 million gamers are on 1080p on PS4 now,how many are on steam on 1080p?

Now remember that while 88% is on 1080p or lower only 69% are on 1080p.

Whats 69% of 90 million users.

@tormentos:

You are forgetting PC's larger market size with 11.95% and +6%

PC's 1080p and 1440p may have high frame rate requirements which is above PS4's typical 30 hz target e.g. 60 fps to +120 hz

What's with the fictional ad-homs?

There were/are more PCs that beats PS4 than the number of PS4s sold, after 1-2 years of its release. Just like with PS3. Just like with what will happen to PS5, after a year or two.

I'm just stating the facts of what happened before and the extreme likely hood for next gen. Don't attack me personally for that.

I'm not restricted to those 3 games. PC can play the most amount of AAA current gen video games this gen. And the best gfx/performance.

Again you console gamers talk numbers but refuse to accept numbers?...

How many people have 4K consoles?... Majority of console gamers are running games at 900-1080p on the PS4 and X1S.

How many 1080 TV's there are FAR out number 4K TV's?... 4K TV sales don't reflect on console gamer'rs either, I know many grown adults with 4K TV's who don't even game.

90 Million active users,

• 2560 x 1080 = 1.02%
• 2560 x 1440 = 6.74%
• 3440 x 1440 = 0.54%
• 3840 x 2160 = 1.51%

Total of 9.81% is 8.9 Million users running monitors higher than 1080p.

CPU:

• 6 Core = 21.26%
• 8 Core = 4.4%

Total of 25.66% is 23 million users with more than 4 cores.

When it comes to RAM 46.37% have 16GB which is 41 million users.

The only people crying here are people like you who are trying to push this false idea that PC gamers are running on 4 CPU's at 1080p with 8GB RAM and a GPU weaker than a X1X... When in fact there are more PC gamers running higher more powerful systems than the X1X than there are X1X's sold.

Slow adoption rate. Please Stop.

Keep pushing console gamers, we have seen the show us your setup threads over the years... WE know you guys are running 1080i/1080 42" TV's with base consoles and NO speakers other than your TV speakers.

Dude more Pro and xbox one X users are over 1080p on consoles over PC,i am sure Pro and xbox one X sales combined well pass 10 million.

In fact 1.5% on PC on 4k mean also that more people on xbox one X are on 4k than on PC.

wow 21% is on 6 cores,100% of the console market now is on 8 cores.

And after this holiday they will be on 8 cores 16 threads.

In fact the PS3 and 360 had 6 threads since 2005,and the PS3 2 threads 7 SPE since 2006,dual core weren't even a thing in 2006,and were expensive.

More than half of steam still on 4 cores,man since when 6 cores was introduce on PC.?

PC is ultra powerful and always will be but adoption rate are super slow,because most PC gamers want to get the very last drop of life out of their hardware in most cases.

You can say what ever you want FACT is more than 88% of steam is on 1080p or less that basically make my point shine strongly,you people cry about power but FEW people use it on PC,and those who get a 1060 GTX or equivalent are not playing on 4k,are playing in 1080p and those on a 1050ti as well with lesser settings.

So basically PC is stagnated on a resolution make popular by the PS3 movie playing ability in 2006.

Yeah that is call stagnation.

1.5% on 4k that means almost no one even the xbox one X has sold more than that,and the PS5 and series X would destroy that number on launch without trying,even if the number rise to 5% which i know will not happen by January 1 both of this machines can have probably 6 or 7 million between the 2.

Yes fake PC.

There are more xbox one X sold than the number of gamers who play on PC at 4k.. 1.5% lol

88% of steam is on 1080p or lower 🤣 88% that is almost every one,funny 100% of the PS4 are on 1080p or over,on PC is the contrary.

Man most people don't play on 4k on PC even 1440p has a miserable 6%.

That is stagnation 1080p is a resolution make popular by last gen consoles specially the PS3 with its blu-ray,is a TV resolution..lol

My ass it will.

How are they suddenly supposed to take a latest near £500 gpu and stuff it on a soc in a console that might cost £400 plus?

@tormentos: Jesus Christ I stopped reading when you mention that

wow 21% is on 6 cores,100% of the console market now is on 8 cores.

A i3 with 2 cores and 4 threads from 2013 beats every console CPU out.

Just stop.

Show me a picture of your gaming setup with your X1X at 4K TV with HDR and Dolby Atmos speakers by the way... Put your money where your plastic $400 30FPS box is.

@tormentos: i know this is hard for you to understand, but 1080p is just resolution.

I still game on a 1080p monitor, but with a Vega 64.

Why?

Because I run my games with at maxed out visuals, modded, supersampling, at 60fps+

If you tell me "brah, you're doing it wrong. You should be using that power to game at some random dynamic resolution in-between 1080p and 4k, call it 4k, and run it at medium settings at 25-30fps" - well, I wouldn't be surprised if you did

All those steam users with gtx 1060s, but "only" gaming at 1080p. Gee, I wonder what they are doing with that extra power beyond a 750TI-like hardware? Surely nothing. Surely they are getting the exact same experience as a PS4

@tormentos: 88% of Steam is on 1080p or lower? Jesus christ what a load of peasants. I was on 1080p in 2005.

@zaryia: In terms of exclusives, the PS2, PS3 & PS4 won their generations. PS1 and N64 were a lot closer.

Well, there are many 4 core CPUs that outperform the CPU in the ps4 pro/X1X. Even an old i7 3770K from 2012 is easily more powerful than the tablet CPU in the consoles.

STOP USING THE STEAM SURVEY AS A SOURCE!!!!

It’s a random, voluntary survey ffs. I went 7 years between surveys. That was 3 CPUs and a half dozen different GPU configurations in that time. And 2 monitor upgrades. Stop it

Hey even when they play the Steam Survey game they still lose.

@tormentos: 1080p is the most common PC resolution, sure. But your reasoning is off. Frames win games. Look at esports, Twitch streamers etc. 1080p, 144-240fps. They even show their FPS on stream when they play. PC gaming is growing because of Twitch and other streaming platforms. And the phrase “frames win games” is the driving force over resolution. I just built 2 teenage gamers PCs in the past couple of months. They wanted 1080p and 144fps.

The nos are actually much higher because you have calculated it using MAU not with active accounts which are significantly higher. The last time Steam reported active accounts was in 2014 with 125M+.

That's true, always for resolution and graphics settings second for me, fps first, always.

Friendly reminder that the PS4 and Xbox One use 240W power bricks while "console killer" PCs back when those two systems launched used 650W power supplies. I think it's fair to believe that the graphical capabilities will be cut down in a similar manner to minimize power consumption.

Not to mention that 4K on a desktop monitor sizes has almost no visual benefit.

@Tessellation:

RTX 2080 Super and RTX 2080 very large profit margin shown by TU104 based "RTX 2060 KO".

The price difference between TU-104 based "RTX 2060 KO" and TU104 RTX 2080 Super shows the large profit margins for NVIDIA!

The BOM cost for RTX 2080 and RTX RTX 2060 KO is similar minus two GDDR6 chips.

The lack of credible competition from AMD has allowed NVIDIA to overcharge and gain large profit margins.

You can say that it's also comparable to a 2080Ti, but the comparison is just "not even close". We all know the BS the consolites used so spread about OneX (about it being "comparable" to 1070), but we all now know that it's at best equal to a 6GB 1060.

@flashn00b: That 650W is irrelevant number as in reality those PCs did not use more than 250-300W at full load. Putting a 650W PSU is not the same as the system using 650W - it just makes sense as the the lower load on the PSU, the lower the noise and the longer the life span, while the price difference of getting a lower wattage one is negligible.

At best? Far Cry 5 4K has shown X1X beats both RX 580 8GB and GTX 1060 6GB.

At Xbox One X 4K settings, both RX 580 and GTX 1060 lost to Xbox One X.

RX 580 and GTX 1060 delivered better than PS4 Pro experience while worst than Xbox One X experience.

@Tessellation:

Unreal Engine 4 based https://www.guru3d.com/index.php?ct=articles&action=file&id=54845

https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/asrock_radeon_rx_5700_xt_taichi_oc_review,14.html

https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/asrock_radeon_rx_5700_xt_taichi_oc_review,15.html

Asrock Taichi 5700 XT is close to RTX 2070 Super.

Reference: https://youtu.be/w1BT-2Cikmg?t=963

Asrock Taichi 5700 XT has about 2Ghz clock speed with 10.34 TFLOPS

2Ghz NAVI 10 XT is possible if Sony goes for "fat PS3" like effort. PS4 and PS4 Pro are not "fat PS3" level effort.

AMD's RX 5700 XT reference cards are not sales majority for RX 5700 XT.