People want powerful consoles but don't want to pay the price.🤷
It gets worse....Sony's CEO just stated that it was more important to get more players playing their games than the amount of consoles they sell...
The exact same thing ms have been saying, which Cows scoffed at.
@Pedro: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-02-14/sony-is-struggling-with-playstation-5-price-due-to-costly-parts
6th paragraph;
"Sony’s Chief Executive Officer Kenichiro Yoshida has said the business should be judged by the number of active users, not the number of hardware units sold. "
PS5 is going to be a bargain and you fanboys need to quit complaining. $500 is cheap for a console.
I am actually mad how cheap it’s going to be because the PS5 is going to smoke my gaming laptop if the rumours are true on how powerful it is. My laptop cost me $1700.
Or at the least PS5 is going to match my laptop in power. It’s nuts. And hermits are jealous because how great PS5 is going to be.
PS5 is going to be a bargain and you fanboys need to quit complaining. $500 is cheap for a console.
I am actually mad how cheap it’s going to be because the PS5 is going to smoke my gaming laptop if the rumours are true on how powerful it is. My laptop cost me $1700.
Or at the least PS5 is going to match my laptop in power. It’s nuts. And hermits are jealous because how great PS5 is going to be.
@Pedro: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-02-14/sony-is-struggling-with-playstation-5-price-due-to-costly-parts
6th paragraph;
"Sony’s Chief Executive Officer Kenichiro Yoshida has said the business should be judged by the number of active users, not the number of hardware units sold. "
That's very interesting.
@daredevils2k: Meh, Sony have been trying to keep the cards close to their chest, but we now know;
1.Ps5 games will be on ps4 (held back?)
2.Sony think number of users more important than console sales.
3.Sony is worried about Xbox's future pricing.
We have also known for a long time that X1 has more games playable on it than ps4, and xsx will start with that advantage, which is why even the most brainwashed Cow hasn't mooed "No games' for ages.
@daredevils2k: Meh, Sony have been trying to keep the cards close to their chest, but we now know;
1.Ps5 games will be on ps4 (held back?)
2.Sony think number of users more important than console sales.
3.Sony is worried about Xbox's future pricing.
We have also known for a long time that X1 has more games playable on it than ps4, and xsx will start with that advantage, which is why even the most brainwashed Cow hasn't mooed "No games' for ages.
Does it though?
If it has something I want to play on it, I do not care how much it costs.
I see zero issues with it being $500.00-$700.00 when a stupid I-phone can easily cost way more.
$500 PS5 is a good price if its can last at least 2 or 3 years. I mean there are people who spend more on a sport car and get into an accident and die on the next day. Would be great if PS5 last longer than 5 years like my old consoles at home. My PS3 super slim is 7 years old, Xbox 360 E is 5 years old, PS4 Pro is 3 years old, Xbox One S is 1 year old and Nintendo Wii U 4 years old. All of them is still working which is more than worth of what I spend on them....
If it has something I want to play on it, I do not care how much it costs.
I see zero issues with it being $500.00-$700.00 when a stupid I-phone can easily cost way more.
True. In my country the latest Iphone can be as high as $1300 but a better specs Xiaomi Note 8 Pro is only $300. Been using Xiaomi since 2015. Tried using my sister Iphone many times and it feel the same as any other phone seriously...
PS4 production cost was around $381 and barely break even but Sony able to do record profit due to the fanbase buys game (1.15 billion ps4 sofware sold) more than other console maker. I think Sony can keep the price at $450 and recoup by selling software and service .
@sealionact:
Yeah you are reading that out of context.
""Videogame companies often sell hardware at thin margins or even at a loss because they profit from lucrative game software and recurring online subscription services. Sony’s Chief Executive Officer Kenichiro Yoshida has said the business should be judged by the number of active users, not the number of hardware units sold. Some Sony games staff think it should sell the new console at a loss if necessary to match Microsoft’s price, while other Sony executives would prefer to make money as the company did with the PS4.""
What he is talking there is about PSN+ and PSN now not about what MS is doing,and Sony already confirmed the PS5 will have exclusives contrary to the xbox.
@tormentos: Lol, I'm not reading anything out of context, you just seem to have issues accepting that both ms and Sony want your money, and theres more money in games than consoles.....
....and like everybody knew - except Mad cow diseased moo moo boys - Sony will release ps5 games that are playable on ps4. Confirmed.
Sony could sell it for 450, not take a hit and then make their bread with PS+ scam and games. Watch M$ counter them good with high end more powerfull $500 XSX and a cheaper non 4K verison for $350... let Sony's reign end `_´
@fedor: They both have over 2000 native games without bc. My point was the '"no games" troll isn't even a troll anymore.
Meh...while my wallet is ready...I'd much rather spend that $500+ on games for current gen/previous gen hardware and my PC.
Having spent 335 EURO for a brand new PS4 Pro 1 TB back in the day doesn't make me regret the purchase , I played all the sony exclusives worth playing , but I still didn't use it for more then 600 hours total gaming wise.
People need to face facts , PC gamers don't need consoles anymore since the exclusivity is out the window for future gens , the only game worth looking after was GodFall this GEN and since it was announced for the PC alongside PSN and IT being built from the ground up on a PC that pretty much says it all.
The casual crowd can go right ahead and buy as many ps5's as ever , im not buying sony's stuff anymore , also CEMU has all the nintendo switch goodness on the PC what's the point anymore ?
Stay-at-home Dads can have their consoles. They are history.
oh OP stop posting misinformation. Nothing In that article states that Sony had to cancel camera features for the PS5, It says “ Sony has already canceled some previously planned features for a new mirrorless camera “ It’s pretty obvious you don’t even know what a mirror less camera is, maybe you should google it.
What the hell are you talking about? I posted tweets referring to a Bloomberg article. I didn't say anything about a mirrorless camera or cut features. People in the know did, however. Does that article upset you? Take it up with Bloomberg and their sources.
In case you two idi..... need to know what a mirrorless camera is, here you go. Only an idi... would think Sony ps5 would have a mirrorless camera mounted somewhere in the pe5. Man you two sound like complete stable geniuses.
@tormentos: Lol, I'm not reading anything out of context, you just seem to have issues accepting that both ms and Sony want your money, and theres more money in games than consoles.....
....and like everybody knew - except Mad cow diseased moo moo boys - Sony will release ps5 games that are playable on ps4. Confirmed.
Yes you did which is easy to prove by showing what you LEFT out.
Just because sony say services are important doesn't mean they are doing what MS is doing and sony did confirm exclusive will be part of the PS5,contrary to the xbox that will never have that again.
Please link me to were sony says PS5 games will be playable on PS4 other than 3rd party games.
Because on that article you are quoting doesn't say that at all.
Maybe mad cow disease attack lemmings more than cows.
@fedor: You sure you took those BC games into consideration?
🤣🤣🤣
This is why lemmings defend BC so much,the xbox one is such a shitty place for games that they need to count BC games as xbox one games...
Desperation is really a sthinky cologne.🤣
And to think lemmings are the same fanboys who cry for years that the PS3 had no games,when froim launch it had more than 7000 games from 2 competle generations,and now act like a few BC games should be accounted as something..
@sealionact: Lol, yikes. PS5 has BC anyways so your statement still wouldn't be true. Figures you'd need such a crutch though, from what I found PS4 has far more current titles.
Lemmings are a joke this same fanboys cry for years that the PS3 had no games,when in 2006 the PS3 was backward compatible with more than 7000 games from 2 generations + PS3 games,now look at them counting as xbox one games,360 and even xbox games..
This is why BC was such a issue for them after 2015 when on launch they didn't care because there was no BC.
Like i already stated day the PS get BC again is the day BC stop mattering to lemmings,and if by any chance rumors about PS1,PS2 and PS3 games also working on PS5 are true they will have a pretty rought gen in this time again.
Guess sony is falling into the same PS3 trap again. Outpricing themselves.
WTF?
Why people think that you can get all of the damn tech inside the PS5 and sell it for $399,even if we end with a lower end RX5700 and a Ryzen,alone side expensive memory and ultra fast NVE drive should drive that cost considerably,let alone something stronger than the 5700.
Again people want powerful hardware but complain about price,the PS3 was priced cheap for what it had inside,so if this machine is $500 considering all it has inside it will be well priced.
@tormentos: Why would I cry about bc on the ps3 when i loved bc on my ps3?
Why are you mumbling about 7000 playable bc games on ps3, and then moaning when I say theres 600 playable bc games on x1?
Why would bc stop mattering to me when I'm most likely getting an xsx...I hope ps5 gets bc, because it might convince me to get one so I can replay the 100s of ps3 games i still have lying around?
All these questions you dont want to answer eh?
WTF?
Why people think that you can get all of the damn tech inside the PS5 and sell it for $399,even if we end with a lower end RX5700 and a Ryzen,alone side expensive memory and ultra fast NVE drive should drive that cost considerably,let alone something stronger than the 5700.
Again people want powerful hardware but complain about price,the PS3 was priced cheap for what it had inside,so if this machine is $500 considering all it has inside it will be well priced.
Probably because of this
“We must keep PlayStation 5’s bill of materials under our control and we need to make the correct number of units in the initial production,” Sony’s Chief Financial Officer Hiroki Totoki said at an earnings briefing earlier this month.
But who cares. Its all about the number of active users not consoles sold.
Guess sony is falling into the same PS3 trap again. Outpricing themselves.
WTF?
Why people think that you can get all of the damn tech inside the PS5 and sell it for $399,even if we end with a lower end RX5700 and a Ryzen,alone side expensive memory and ultra fast NVE drive should drive that cost considerably,let alone something stronger than the 5700.
Again people want powerful hardware but complain about price,the PS3 was priced cheap for what it had inside,so if this machine is $500 considering all it has inside it will be well priced.
Like console gamers care about hardware. If they did they would have dropped there PS4 for a PC a long time ago.
Also most hardware in that PS5 doesn't make a lot of sense. they just make it more expensive for the sake of it. It's pretty much sony going out of there way to get blu-ray and cell going while u have perfect replacements for that, that costs a fraction of the money and give you about the same results.
It's pointless. Specially when those boxes will be targeted anywhere for the low end spec solution. So what's the point. Not like uncharted devs can't make another uncharted on a weaker box.
Price is what matters, 399 was already steep specially with the 100 buck extra costs for online, game and another controller most likely if not more. that's 500 bucks. a ton of money for a lot of people.
Now they wanna slam another 100 above it? so they can validate a ssd drive they don't even remotely need, and there 4/8k resolution hunt that could simple be pushed on 1080p and put in half the gpu performance?
It's laughable at best.
In the meanwhile nintendo offers you a switch for 199 and a game that's 250 and done u are.
It's a exactly repeat again from sony PS3 area in my view.
More reason to skip them. These machines aint worth shit at launch or will have a library big enough to justify that bullshit. Added bonus the lion's share of their library can be played on a PC, and if you're gonna spend cash, might as well spend it for actual horse power.
@tormentos: Why would I cry about bc on the ps3 when i loved bc on my ps3?
Why are you mumbling about 7000 playable bc games on ps3, and then moaning when I say theres 600 playable bc games on x1?
Why would bc stop mattering to me when I'm most likely getting an xsx...I hope ps5 gets bc, because it might convince me to get one so I can replay the 100s of ps3 games i still have lying around?
All these questions you dont want to answer eh?
1-Because you are not a PS fan.
2-I am not moning i am speaking directly at you so stop playing dumb,counting xbox and xbox 360 games as xbox one games is a joke,and the only reason why this gen all of the sudden lemmings are hyped about BC.
3-Again because you are a lemming and as soon as the PS level the play field or rise it avode the xbox is then BC will be meh.
Probably because of this
“We must keep PlayStation 5’s bill of materials under our control and we need to make the correct number of units in the initial production,” Sony’s Chief Financial Officer Hiroki Totoki said at an earnings briefing earlier this month.
But who cares. Its all about the number of active users not consoles sold.
Actually that doesn't answer my question.
Why do people believe that whith the materials the PS5 is say to have it will land on 399 with ease or without a loss?
Is also worth noting that the only platform that sony has sold under a small loss or close to make money was the PS4,on all other platforms they have lose money and that was even before the days of charging for online play,so eating a small loss now is not a problem,but then again at $500 i think they still eating a small loss,i can't see a scenario were the PS5 have a RX5700XT less or even more and be $399 with an NVE drive that would probably be 1TB because on this day 500GB is nothing,and who knows if how much ram which is faster and more expensive as well i just don't see it.
Like console gamers care about hardware. If they did they would have dropped there PS4 for a PC a long time ago.
Also most hardware in that PS5 doesn't make a lot of sense. they just make it more expensive for the sake of it. It's pretty much sony going out of there way to get blu-ray and cell going while u have perfect replacements for that, that costs a fraction of the money and give you about the same results.
It's pointless. Specially when those boxes will be targeted anywhere for the low end spec solution. So what's the point. Not like uncharted devs can't make another uncharted on a weaker box.
Price is what matters, 399 was already steep specially with the 100 buck extra costs for online, game and another controller most likely if not more. that's 500 bucks. a ton of money for a lot of people.
Now they wanna slam another 100 above it? so they can validate a ssd drive they don't even remotely need, and there 4/8k resolution hunt that could simple be pushed on 1080p and put in half the gpu performance?
It's laughable at best.
In the meanwhile nintendo offers you a switch for 199 and a game that's 250 and done u are.
It's a exactly repeat again from sony PS3 area in my view.
Yeah like the majority of PC gamers care about hardware right? I guess that is why the 2080Ti has a 99% penetration on steam and 99% of PC gamers run its games in 4k ultra..
Oh wait is not even close those kind of GPU don't even reach 5% let alone 99%,and the huge majority of steam play games on 1080p a resolution make popular by consoles and Blu-ray.
When 1080p begin yo appear higher resolution on PC already existed,so why most people don't play on those?
Really so what CPU in 2006 could handle GPU task as well as Cell? Not even Intel had one.
What media was close to blu-ray? In fact sony future proofed their media delivery,MS didn't which is why the xbox 360 is the console with the most games on multiple disk of any console even beating the PS1,when sony was making the PS2 they saw that CD wasn't cutting it as storage FF7 took 3 CD's in 2007 man,the PS2 release on 2000,in fact on launch some games on PS2 were CD,by the first year most were on DVD.
The same happen with DVD by 2005 sony already was using DVD dual layer so was MS,sony took measures to ensure games would not require 3 DVD,and guess what by 2006 the first xbox 360 game blu-dragon spammed across several disc.
Blu-ray was need it.
So tell me what does the PS5 has that isn't need it?
If you believe that the PS5 can get away with 5200rpm hdd like the PS4 you simply don't know what your talking about,and don't know what sony is trying to accomplish which is why MS is also doing the same,but i don't see you say anything about that.
The PS5 will not be a 1080p neither will be the xbox series X,those machines have GPU capable of 4k with much more easy than the xbox one X.
Meanwhile Nintendo offer a switch light which has no connection to TV in other words a $200 dollar portable is what you are getting.
The Normal 1 is $300 without a game and you also have to pay for online play.]
I don't think the xbox or PS5 will be able to be sold under $500 on launch for the kind of hardware they have and both will be totally worth it from a hardware stand point of view.
Probably because of this
“We must keep PlayStation 5’s bill of materials under our control and we need to make the correct number of units in the initial production,” Sony’s Chief Financial Officer Hiroki Totoki said at an earnings briefing earlier this month.
But who cares. Its all about the number of active users not consoles sold.
Actually that doesn't answer my question.
Why do people believe that whith the materials the PS5 is say to have it will land on 399 with ease or without a loss?
Is also worth noting that the only platform that sony has sold under a small loss or close to make money was the PS4,on all other platforms they have lose money and that was even before the days of charging for online play,so eating a small loss now is not a problem,but then again at $500 i think they still eating a small loss,i can't see a scenario were the PS5 have a RX5700XT less or even more and be $399 with an NVE drive that would probably be 1TB because on this day 500GB is nothing,and who knows if how much ram which is faster and more expensive as well i just don't see it.
I am probably missing something but who is expecting the PS5 to be $399? It seems more like Sony is trying to mitigate the price from being too high based on the current cost to produce, thus they are waiting on MS to announce their price preferable first.
With the focus on active users versus console sold, the higher price shouldn't matter.
I am probably missing something but who is expecting the PS5 to be $399? It seems more like Sony is trying to mitigate the price from being too high based on the current cost to produce, thus they are waiting on MS to announce their price preferable first.
With the focus on active users versus console sold, the higher price shouldn't matter.
Some who complain about the price been to high.
They are trying but i just don't see how they can go much lower with what it is say to be inside.
I don't think they will focus on active users,fact is the more console you sell the higher your chances of more people paying for PSN+ there is no way around that,also from what it look that article isn't taken from sony but from a suppose source.
""Sony declined to comment.""
This is on the same page on that article so apparently all this is from a supposed source,maybe taken out of context.
I don't see a senario were you can argue that less consoles sold = higher active users is totally moronic.
But i find this article funny,because the suppose blame for the higher price is Nand and DRAM prices.
HELOOOOOOO The xbox series X has DRAM and NAND chips as well,in fact it is say the xbox series X has more memory than the PS5 which would also mean more losses yet this is not mention.
So if sony is having problems because of DRAM and NAND prices so will MS,but again $500 should be good price for this machine,and i would be suprise highly if the series X can deliver for $500 as well considering it is say to have a bigger soc and more memory.
I'm expecting it to be $500, but I sure won't be buying it at launch. Too expensive (the specs don't justify it to me), and no exclusives to get me excited.
It used to be that with a new console came an upgrade in the games that was noticeable, with at least one launch title to justify it. I have seen nothing justifying the upgrade. Tech is useless without the software.
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