PS5 to Cost More Than XSX

@Xplode_games: Yet the Pro is still available...

@Tessellation: 10.3, can you read? Or do you just like going with false narratives?

But it's a variable clock on both the CPU and GPU end... 10.3 is the only false narrative being pushed. Also that massive CU advantage... Oof rough day for you.

@Sagemode87: 10.3 when overclocked and less CU and disadvantage on RAM, and CPU🤣

Apparently you missed the wording before the 10.3 to ironically push a false narrative. 😂

Variable frequency, up to 2.23 GHz(10.3 TFLOPS) Link

Wow, the Xbox Series X really has you shook! 12 teraflops, hardware ray tracing support, powerful 8 core/ 16 thread CPU @3.8 Ghz vs overclocked trash with variable GPU and CPU frequencies? They were saying it was going to be a 9/10 teraflop. I am believing the hype and predicting a full 10/10 flops.

BY 3% which basically is NOTHING if you are a REAL PC gamer you would know that,3% less clocks will not yield you 3FPS less in that equation.

If you want to pretend it does fine it doesn't.

I see so now since you can't argue that the gap is big in Tflops you switch to CU advantage this is something i would expect from a lemming now a so call PC gamer.

So you believe 100% that is variable because sony say right?

You are even trying to spin here.🤣

LOL and you can't figure out why? That's because Sony isn't going to release a lower spec cheaper PS5 for 1080p. The PS5 doesn't compete with the PS4 because it will be way more expensive. I already told you the XSX won't compete with the X1X because it's way more expensive. The cheaper XSS is what made the X1X obsolete because it costs less money and is more powerful and next gen.

The PS4 pro is cheaper than the X1X but the PS5 is more expensive than the XSX. The PS5 will not compete with the PS4 pro. Why would Sony remove the PS4 Pro from the market?

Next gen

Xbox Series X with 12 teraflops of power = $399

Xbox Series S next gen experience @1080p = $199(without a controller)

PS5 with UHD drive and 10 variable flops = $499

PS5 no disk drive = $399

Your insecurity is astounding. How about I'll post my rig and when I prove I game on PC you delete your account? Be a man, as you say.

No wonder Sony trying to buy out 3rd party timed exclusives, they don't want their versions analysed side by side with the Series X

Time to bookmark this thread.

You have now idea how sad this sounds. There has been multiple articles claiming there is a gap that could be more of a problem than people think. I asked a question how many more before people begin think its true.

Your response to book mark the thread to try and put words in my mouth later to prove a point is just sad.

Why not just answer the question.

That's some garbage trash source material. It implies the PS5 can't handle 1080p/60fps, and that the Series X can only occasionally push beyond 1080p/60fps.

Imagine being a lemming and being this desparate after what has been shown of their 12 tf powerhouse with halo. LOL tough times for lems.

No there have been multiple shitty articles from clickbait sites which don't even name a single source making bullshit claims,is funny how the Xbox Series S is a 1080p 1440p machine some how with a 4TF GPU,but the PS5 with a more than double in power GPU some how will have problems running a game at 1080p/60FPS.

Some of you are so freaking desperate to see the PS5 lose that you will believe what ever shit you read,please link me to all the article from CREDIBLE sources saying the PS5 will have trouble with 1080p or will over heat or that it will even more expensive than the series X.

Because only in this shitty place a machine with a 52CU GPU will cost less than one with 36CU,while also having the same CPU,bigger ssd and faster ram chips.

I don't have to put anything you did it your self and is not the first time i call you for it,you do it all the time.

I think this just sums up what you just did with my question.

Your stupidity is even bigger,please tell me how the 3% i posted was a lie? It was stated by DF on one of their Video,after cerny confirmed that the drop was MINIMAL,because power doesn't scale 1 to 1 with frequency,so dropping 10% power will not produce 10% drop in frequency just a small drop.

Is not my opinion is a FACT.

Go ahead is not like i don't have one that surely doesn't make me a hermit.

You are arguing stupidity just to beat cows and it is making you look desperate and stupid. Just because you cross out other people argument doesn't make them wrong chump.

Something i already prove beyond doubt when i posted RE3 huge gad on xbox one X vs Pro without patch.

Are you going to be a man or not, kid? It's funny how fast you tightened up once I once I dared you to put your money where your mouth is.

Case in point you are a 10 year old kid who think that crossing out other people arguments award you some kind of victory or negate the other person argument.

I proved my point without shadow of a doubt.😎

@tormentos said:

@tdkmillsy said:

Time to bookmark this thread.

You have now idea how sad this sounds. There has been multiple articles claiming there is a gap that could be more of a problem than people think. I asked a question how many more before people begin think its true.

Your response to book mark the thread to try and put words in my mouth later to prove a point is just sad.

Why not just answer the question.

No there have been multiple shitty articles from clickbait sites which don't even name a single source making bullshit claims,is funny how the Xbox Series S is a 1080p 1440p machine some how with a 4TF GPU,but the PS5 with a more than double in power GPU some how will have problems running a game at 1080p/60FPS.

Some of you are so freaking desperate to see the PS5 lose that you will believe what ever shit you read,please link me to all the article from CREDIBLE sources saying the PS5 will have trouble with 1080p or will over heat or that it will even more expensive than the series X.

Because only in this shitty place a machine with a 52CU GPU will cost less than one with 36CU,while also having the same CPU,bigger ssd and faster ram chips.

I don't have to put anything you did it your self and is not the first time i call you for it,you do it all the time.

@Pedro said:

You are even trying to spin here.🤣

I think this just sums up what you just did with my question.

@fedor said:

Your insecurity is astounding. How about I'll post my rig and when I prove I game on PC you delete your account? Be a man, as you say.

Your stupidity is even bigger,please tell me how the 3% i posted was a lie? It was stated by DF on one of their Video,after cerny confirmed that the drop was MINIMAL,because power doesn't scale 1 to 1 with frequency,so dropping 10% power will not produce 10% drop in frequency just a small drop.

Is not my opinion is a FACT.

Go ahead is not like i don't have one that surely doesn't make me a hermit.

You are arguing stupidity just to beat cows and it is making you look desperate and stupid. Just because you cross out other people argument doesn't make them wrong chump.

Something i already prove beyond doubt when i posted RE3 huge gad on xbox one X vs Pro without patch.

I asked a question, I wasn't the person who over reacted with "I'm going to book mark that and pull it up later cos it will me feel better".

When have I said the PS5 couldnt do 1080p?

When have I said the series X will cost less than PS5?

Now go back to your childish I'll show you statements.

@i_p_daily: "Lems don't need defending, cows on the other hand, well that's a whole new story."

What about Nintendo/PC fans?

Oh you made an argument? Did you disprove this statement or something?

"But it's a variable clock on both the CPU and GPU end... 10.3 is the only false narrative being pushed. Also that massive CU advantage... Oof rough day for you."

Can you show me where you disproved this? Because last I checked PS5 has variable clocks, Is that not true? Last I checked they have a massive CU disadvantage, is that not true? Can you debunk these claims, little boy?

@fedor: you seem awfully invested in trying to prove the series x is a stronger machine. Everyone knows on paper the series x is stronger. Now. Can you prove any of MS’s showings were running on the series x?

Sony’s event had games captured on the ps5 and they looked amazing. Can’t say the same for the bone series x, because none of those cgi trailers were running on it.

So instead of being an ignorant lem, why don’t you just wait for both to get revealed and the games broken down by DF before trying to assert your insecurities you pathetic “not a lem” lol. Go to bed

Did you forget to change accounts again?

@tormentos: So let's summarize, when your argument is proven to be false you deflect, spin, essay write, with a dash of alting all to avoid admittance of falsehood until the other person gives in. Seems like Ron is definitely living through you.🤣

@fedor: lol typical lemming response. Now can you please tell everyone why you are so quick to pounce on any morsel of rumour that is negatively biased towards ps5 but vehemently defend any hit piece against the bone series x?

Let me answer - cause you’re a die hard lemming who isn’t man enough to admit as such. Stop trying to call other people out you hypocrite

As opposed to when you’re incorrect and you deflect, spin and call people alts and finish your sentence with emojis. Hypocrite

Seems like you are confusing me with your non alt account. 🤣

@fedor: cerny said 10.3 Tf with variable rates and claims that the PS5 will spend most of its time here. Those are actual facts, not some lem hopes and dreams.

“Cerny believes the console will run at the rated speeds, or close to it, most of the time because power and frequency do not operate on a linear curve. “

Let’s see, system architect vs a die hard lemming with an inferiority complex. Anyways we’ll see when df does breakdowns, till then it’s the lead system’s architect vs a bunch of beaten down lemmings.

What is more funny is that you think @fedor is a Xbox fanboy.

It's hilarious you just proved my point right. Variable clocks, Massive CU disadvantage. Way to own yourself, Budget Torm.

@Pedro: If you don't kiss Sony's ass at all times you're a default lemming, didn't you know that?

@Pedro: he’s always defending Xbox and bashing playstation - so what would you call it? Oh wait nevermind, I shouldn’t be asking those questions to someone with an identity crisis/ inferiority complex lol 😂

LOL. Like the typical Sony fanny, too dense to realize that I spend most of my time making fun of you fools. 🤣 It so bad you all have to make alt accounts to keep up.

"Why you so mean to Sony?" 😂

They are a very sensitive bunch. When you call them out on their aggression they flashback to the 360 era "Xbox fanboys were mean to me." mantra. I love it.

@Pedro: You shouldn't mind someone that made his account this year and less than a month ago...

I am just having fun. None of this is really serious. The new born accounts are pretty frequent anyways.

"The CPU and GPU each have a power budget, of course the GPU power budget is the larger of the two," adds Cerny. "If the CPU doesn't use its power budget - for example, if it is capped at 3.5GHz - then the unused portion of the budget goes to the GPU.

That's what AMD calls SmartShift. There's enough power that both CPU and GPU can potentially run at their limits of 3.5GHz and 2.23GHz, it isn't the case that the developer has to choose to run one of them slower."

There's likely more to discover about how boost will influence game design. Several developers speaking to Digital Foundry have stated that their current PS5 work sees them throttling back the CPU in order to ensure a sustained 2.23GHz clock on the graphics core. It makes perfect sense as most game engines right now are architected with the low performance Jaguar in mind - even a doubling of throughput (ie 60fps vs 30fps) would hardly tax PS5's Zen 2 cores.

Put simply, with race to idle out of the equation and both CPU and GPU fully used, the boost clock system should still see both components running near to or at peak frequency most of the time.

Cerny also stresses that power consumption and clock speeds don't have a linear relationship. Dropping frequency by 10 per cent reduces power consumption by around 27 per cent. "In general, a 10 per cent power reduction is just a few per cent reduction in frequency," Cerny emphasises.

If the GPU is always at 2.23ghz what is the flop count?

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2020-playstation-5-the-mark-cerny-tech-deep-dive

So you didn't address my argument period.

Fact is this machine will spent most of its time on or near its peak,10% power reduction only lower clock speeds by a FEW percentage.

Nothing i say there was made up it was already known.

So the actual GPU gap is far from been 44% like CU show,the flop count put that gap much closer,hell the xbox one X had 45% and more ram as well with faster bandwidth all around,you can't even say that about the series X.

Just because the PS4 ha variable clocks doesn't mean it will drop to 5TF and have a huge disparity.

@fedor: variable rates that fall within a small disparity amount. Not enough to go from 10.3 to 9.2. Maybe you should've paid more attention during the deep dive and less to github.

Yeah lets summarize.

You believe anything that is against the PS5.

And don't believe anything that help the PS5.

Wasn't hard to summarize.

OOOOOOOFFFFFF!!!!

That GPU clock will be dropping to 2k mhz. That CPU will drop to 3.0ghz. It's going to happen, you know and so do I. Why you keep on going with your nonsense is beyond me.

Let's try again

"But it's a variable clock on both the CPU and GPU end... 10.3 is the only false narrative being pushed. Also that massive CU advantage... Oof rough day for you."

Debunk it.

sounds like BS since the internal chips inside the playstation and the xbox will be from the same company and based on very similar designs.

Thanks for sharing what you believe what I believe. 🤣

LMAO!!!

There's word going around that this guy was talking about the canceled resident evil 8 on PS4. Massive ownage if so. You guys are expecting TOO big of a disparity. Will laugh when games basically look the same. PS5 will be the bigger seller, thus lead platform for most games. More online players, better devs, faster load times, no pop in, better controller, more culturally relevant. Good time to be a PS fan.

This is really interesting. Can you share what the lowest frequency the GPU will run at? Last I checked no-one knows even the 9.2 jokers, but it seems like you know the lowest frequency and TFLOPS. I can't wait for your insider information.

@sealionact: no he actually didn't make any sense. Nice circle jerk though. Explain why PS4 Pro is available if you're so confident in your defense...

Let's not put a link in the poll question and make the SW topic title a mess.

Already been explained. Guess you're so dense you can't grasp the concept. Doesn't surprise me, you ARE one of the biggest cows here and thus one of the biggest clowns.

I keep going back and forth about which next gen system to get first. Just hurry the **** up and release the damn prices already!

Why stress about which to get? Neither are out for at least 3 months.