PSN generated nearly 868M USD in 2010

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Although PSN still runs at a loss, PSN generated nearly twice the revenue in 2010. ~434M USD in 2009.

XBL generated 1.2B USD in 2009 .... nearly three times as much as PSN in 2009.

PSN is expected to become profitable next year. Probably due to PSN Plus.

Hirai said he expects PSN to reach 3.6B USD in 2012. PSN also has 60 million registered accounts.

And this is why Xbox Live is not free.

Thats still a lot money.

running at a loss isn't good

The the heck is going on with PSN behind the scenes if $868 million isn't profitable!

The the heck is going on with PSN behind the scenes if $868 million isn't profitable!

Giant_Panda

Wow I didn't realise PSN was still running at a loss, well hopefully it does get profitable next year because Im certainly never going to pay for online play :D

How on earth is PSN losing money? It provides very few dedicated servers, and the rest of it is pretty much used to match make and sell content. How is this possible?

[QUOTE="Giant_Panda"]

The the heck is going on with PSN behind the scenes if $868 million isn't profitable!

Nonstop-Madness

Maybe they should stop using dedicated servers? I mean cheap-ass MS uses P2P that's why they generate more profit from their service, Sony should too but the difference will be they wont make us pay for crappy servers unlike MS. If it does the job it does the job... I think. lol

Still impressive though for a free service. They could always use cheapo P2P networking like M$$ does but they won't.
Sony at least know how to keep customers.

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Although PSN still runs at a loss, PSN generated nearly twice the revenue in 2010. ~434M USD in 2009.

XBL generated 1.2B USD in 2009 .... nearly three times as much as PSN in 2009.

PSN is expected to become profitable next year. Probably due to PSN Plus.

Hirai said he expects PSN to reach 3.6B USD in 2012. PSN also has 60 million registered accounts.

Nonstop-Madness

OK....there's 2 problems with this

1. We don't know that they've made 868 million dollars on PSN becaue we don't know what the term nearly twice actually means.

2. Sony's fiscal year isn't done yet and won't be over until Midnight, April 1, 2011.

[QUOTE="Nonstop-Madness"]

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Although PSN still runs at a loss, PSN generated nearly twice the revenue in 2010. ~434M USD in 2009.

XBL generated 1.2B USD in 2009 .... nearly three times as much as PSN in 2009.

PSN is expected to become profitable next year. Probably due to PSN Plus.

Hirai said he expects PSN to reach 3.6B USD in 2012. PSN also has 60 million registered accounts.

Unnatural101

OK....there's 2 problems with this

1. We don't know that they've made 868 million dollars on PSN becaue we don't know what the term nearly twice actually means.

2. Sony's fiscal year isn't done yet and won't be over until Midnight, April 1, 2011.

And this is why Xbox Live is not free.

UnnDunn

sony is such a flop this gen

sony is such a flop this gen

meatgrinderz

Good for Sonyhexashadow13

sony is such a flop this gen

meatgrinderz

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Good for Sony at running at a loss? lolStevo_the_gamer

Why do you want Sony to charge us to play games online....Games that we've already paid for?

Why do you want Sony to be as greedy to its customers as Microsoft?

Why do you want Sony to charge us to play games online....Games that we've already paid for?

Why do you want Sony to be as greedy to its customers as Microsoft?

Unnatural101

[QUOTE="meatgrinderz"]

sony is such a flop this gen

tormentos

Still impressive though for a free service. They could always use cheapo P2P networking like M$$ does but they won't.
Sony at least know how to keep customers.

Locutus_Picard

PS3 also uses P2P

Xbox360 also uses servers

The more you know!

[QUOTE="Locutus_Picard"]

Still impressive though for a free service. They could always use cheapo P2P networking like M$$ does but they won't.
Sony at least know how to keep customers.

gamer-adam1

PS3 also uses P2P

Xbox360 also uses servers

The more you know!

And this is why Xbox Live is not free.

UnnDunn

PSN runs at a loss with that much revenue?

WTF? :|

but their fiscal year is not over. Is this what they have made now, or his projection. I dont like when reps use the word "nearly", sometimes opinions on nearly differ

Why do you want Sony to be as greedy to its customers as Microsoft?

Unnatural101

Ken Kutaragi had this to say about Sony's goal for the PS3: "for consumers to think to themselves 'I will work more hours to buy one'. We want people to feel that they want it, irrespective of anything else."

[QUOTE="meatgrinderz"]

sony is such a flop this gen

and

Good for Sony at running at a loss? lolStevo_the_gamer

Why do you want Sony to charge us to play games online....Games that we've already paid for?

Why do you want Sony to be as greedy to its customers as Microsoft?

[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="meatgrinderz"]

sony is such a flop this gen

shadow8585

[QUOTE="UnnDunn"]

And this is why Xbox Live is not free.

WilliamRLBaker

And this is why Xbox Live is not free.

How are they running at a loss?? Can someone explain??

[QUOTE="Nonstop-Madness"][QUOTE="Giant_Panda"]

The the heck is going on with PSN behind the scenes if $868 million isn't profitable!

Swift_Boss_A

Maybe they should stop using dedicated servers? I mean cheap-ass MS uses P2P that's why they generate more profit from their service, Sony should too but the difference will be they wont make us pay for crappy servers unlike MS. If it does the job it does the job... I think. lol

How are they running at a loss?? Can someone explain??

Alpha-Male22

[QUOTE="meatgrinderz"]

and

Good for Sony at running at a loss? lolStevo_the_gamer

Why do you want Sony to charge us to play games online....Games that we've already paid for?

Why do you want Sony to be as greedy to its customers as Microsoft?

How are they running at a loss?? Can someone explain??

Alpha-Male22

all your sign in servers, matchmaking servers, download servers... these are all physical components that cost money... and every byte of data transfered incurs a bandwidth cost. And they are maintained and operated by people that are paid salaries. Anytime you get a new feature on PSN, it was programmed by a team of programmers being paid a salary.

These things cost money... if they dont make enough money to offset these costs.... then they operate at a loss.

So lets say you have been gaming online for years now... and have never paid for any DLC.... but have been downloading free demos and such... you are costing sony money for all this activity, but you arent contributing a dollar to them for it. That means, they lose money.

EDIT: here is a more easily understood example... lets say you have a problem with your PSN account. So you call their toll free number and talk to a person... and they fix your problem. That guy on the phone is being paid money to answer your call, but you are not paying any money to have your call answered. So sony, loses money when you make that call about your PSN account.

Pretty impressive generating that much money seeing as PSN is literally infinitely cheaper than Xbox live. Why are people still paying for Xbox Live?

[QUOTE="Unnatural101"]

Why do you want Sony to be as greedy to its customers as Microsoft?

meatgrinderz

Ken Kutaragi had this to say about Sony's goal for the PS3: "for consumers to think to themselves 'I will work more hours to buy one'. We want people to feel that they want it, irrespective of anything else."

Oh you mean back in 2006 and part of 2007? You mean several years ago?

You'd have to ask some of the guys that bought their PS3 back in 2006 and 2007, because I tend not to dwell on extremely old and out of date information that has no meaning to me when in about a week it will be 2011.

[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="meatgrinderz"]

sony is such a flop this gen

shadow8585

Why do you want Sony to continue running psn seeing no profit from it till they either start charging for it or shut it down?WilliamRLBaker

I fully expect my PS3's online to continue to be free and up and running for this entire generation.

Are you suggesting it will be otherwise?

[QUOTE="meatgrinderz"]

[QUOTE="Unnatural101"]

Why do you want Sony to be as greedy to its customers as Microsoft?

Unnatural101

Ken Kutaragi had this to say about Sony's goal for the PS3: "for consumers to think to themselves 'I will work more hours to buy one'. We want people to feel that they want it, irrespective of anything else."

Oh you mean back in 2006 and part of 2007? You mean several years ago?

You'd have to ask some of the guys that bought their PS3 back in 2006 and 2007, because I tend not to dwell on ridiculously old information that has no meaning to me when in about a week it will be 2011.

It still happended though.

It still happended though.

chase_arizona

Yeah..but so what?

I mean, not only was a PS3 approx $900 to make, which meant Sony was giving its users a bargain.....

But again so what? If I went around bringing up stats and figures from 2006 and 2007 when its almost 2011.....I might be a ridiculous fanboy.

I may be a fanboy, but certainly not a ridiculous one.

[QUOTE="chase_arizona"]

It still happended though.

Unnatural101

Yeah..but so what?

I mean, not only was a PS3 approx $900 to make, which meant Sony was giving its users a bargain.....

But again so what? If I went around bringing up stats and figures from 2006 and 2007 when its almost 2011.....I might be a ridiculous fanboy.

I may be a fanboy, but certainly not a ridiculous one.

He wasn't talking about stats or figures(sales wise) though, that's the thing.

He's posting a quote.

It still happended though.

chase_arizona

At the risk of sounding ridiculous,

I do see a trend though....

Back in 2006 and 2007, Sony was willing to take a loss for its loyal customers.

Now in 2011 (a week away), Sony's still willing to take a loss for its loyal customers via its online network.

If anyone deserves my loyalty, I'd say Sony has earned it many times over.

Microsoft...pft..not so much (RROD, Charging to play online, losing good developers left and right, and now Pushing Kinect as its primary).

Microsoft hardly at all, in fact.

[QUOTE="chase_arizona"]

It still happended though.

Unnatural101

At the risk of sounding ridiculous,

I do see a trend though....

Back in 2006 and 2007, Sony was willing to take a loss for its loyal customers.

Now in 2011 (a week away), Sony's still willing to take a loss for its loyal customers via its online network.

If anyone deserves my loyalty, I'd say Sony has earned it many times over.

Microsoft...pft..not so much (RROD, Charging to play online, losing good developers left and right, and now Pushing Kinect as its primary).

Microsoft hardly at all, in fact.

You know that PSN is only free so it can be used as a selling point right. And also they can't justify charching for it at this point.

They're not taking a loss for their "loyal customers", they're taking a loss because they have to.

You know that PSN is only free so it can be used as a selling point right. And also they can't justify charching for it at this point.

chase_arizona

Sure they can.....in fact, some people pay for the optional PSN+ right now.

PSN is free because Sony wants people to get full value out of the games you buy, instead of ripping people off like Microsoft does with XBOX LIVE....Like Microsoft has done this entire generation.

[QUOTE="chase_arizona"]

You know that PSN is only free so it can be used as a selling point right. And also they can't justify charching for it at this point.

Unnatural101

Sure they can.....in fact, some people pay for the optional PSN+ right now.

PSN is free because Sony wants people to get full value out of the games you buy, instead of ripping people off like Microsoft does with XBOX LIVE.

Once again, you're wrong.