Another thing I liek better about live is that you have a certain level of reasurance. Your assured that it wont be down that often, that there wont be many or any large maitanences that require the entire grid to be down unlike PSN, your assured that the servers are taken care of on MS end, meaning you have some security in that if you want to play a game online, no matter how old, chances are servers and people are still palying it. On live, your kinda guranteed to find atleast some people playing any game. There have been many games where PSN had nobody palying a certain game. thats on reason why I think Live is better. Not to mention much faster downloads, a seemless experince, and a overal better one. thats worth 50 dollars a year to me more then a "I hope they give me something I like this week" Mentality that PSN Plus is.
psn plus = xblive gold
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What finding people playing has nothing to do with live or psn.Its just that more people actually play on live than psn.Another thing I liek better about live is that you have a certain level of reasurance. Your assured that it wont be down that often, that there wont be many or any large maitanences that require the entire grid to be down unlike PSN, your assured that the servers are taken care of on MS end, meaning you have some security in that if you want to play a game online, no matter how old, chances are servers and people are still palying it. On live, your kinda guranteed to find atleast some people playing any game. There have been many games where PSN had nobody palying a certain game. thats on reason why I think Live is better. Not to mention much faster downloads, a seemless experince, and a overal better one. thats worth 50 dollars a year to me more then a "I hope they give me something I like this week" Mentality that PSN Plus is.
XboximusPrime
[QUOTE="XboximusPrime"][QUOTE="GamerProDude"] But REBUYING the online portion of the games you already bought is great eh? Don't insult us dude... GamerProDude
No, but your assumption that you own the right to play online when you buy the game is insulting enough.
My assumption? That's the way it's ALWAYS been... Why the **** would I think otherwise?thats how its been on PC, but even thats not always true when ti comes to MMOs. PS2 had Free online alst gen, but it was **** and was barely supported. Live set the precedent of paid online subscription on consoles, and that seems to be the way things are going. Either deal with it or dont play games online. I have no problem paying for Live as it actualy give me benefits to the stuff I do on the console. PSN Plus does not as its whole thing is a assumption.
[QUOTE="XboximusPrime"]What finding people playing has nothing to do with live or psn.Its just that more people actually play on live than psn. Don't tell him! Let him believe! He already thinks Live is a great deal... Let him be happy.Another thing I liek better about live is that you have a certain level of reasurance. Your assured that it wont be down that often, that there wont be many or any large maitanences that require the entire grid to be down unlike PSN, your assured that the servers are taken care of on MS end, meaning you have some security in that if you want to play a game online, no matter how old, chances are servers and people are still palying it. On live, your kinda guranteed to find atleast some people playing any game. There have been many games where PSN had nobody palying a certain game. thats on reason why I think Live is better. Not to mention much faster downloads, a seemless experince, and a overal better one. thats worth 50 dollars a year to me more then a "I hope they give me something I like this week" Mentality that PSN Plus is.
genaroll
[QUOTE="XboximusPrime"]What finding people playing has nothing to do with live or psn.Its just that more people actually play on live than psn.Another thing I liek better about live is that you have a certain level of reasurance. Your assured that it wont be down that often, that there wont be many or any large maitanences that require the entire grid to be down unlike PSN, your assured that the servers are taken care of on MS end, meaning you have some security in that if you want to play a game online, no matter how old, chances are servers and people are still palying it. On live, your kinda guranteed to find atleast some people playing any game. There have been many games where PSN had nobody palying a certain game. thats on reason why I think Live is better. Not to mention much faster downloads, a seemless experince, and a overal better one. thats worth 50 dollars a year to me more then a "I hope they give me something I like this week" Mentality that PSN Plus is.
genaroll
And thats why I like it better. More people. If your paying for something, chances are your going to use it more then the guy who dosent pay for it. Its liek WoW. If I pay for 2 months, chances are im going to play as much as I can in that said 2 months so I feel like I got my moneys worth. I have met very few people that actualy think PSN is better then live outside of fanboys.
My assumption? That's the way it's ALWAYS been... Why the **** would I think otherwise?[QUOTE="GamerProDude"][QUOTE="XboximusPrime"]
No, but your assumption that you own the right to play online when you buy the game is insulting enough.
XboximusPrime
thats how its been on PC, but even thats not always true when ti comes to MMOs. PS2 had Free online alst gen, but it was **** and was barely supported. Live set the precedent of paid online subscription on consoles, and that seems to be the way things are going. Either deal with it or dont play games online. I have no problem paying for Live as it actualy give me benefits to the stuff I do on the console. PSN Plus does not as its whole thing is a assumption.
No offense dude, but I'm going to stop out discussion here because your to far out for me. I've never met anyone with such skewed views on things... Have a nice gaming life.
[QUOTE="genaroll"][QUOTE="XboximusPrime"]What finding people playing has nothing to do with live or psn.Its just that more people actually play on live than psn. Don't tell him! Let him believe! He already thinks Live is a great deal... Let him be happy.Another thing I liek better about live is that you have a certain level of reasurance. Your assured that it wont be down that often, that there wont be many or any large maitanences that require the entire grid to be down unlike PSN, your assured that the servers are taken care of on MS end, meaning you have some security in that if you want to play a game online, no matter how old, chances are servers and people are still palying it. On live, your kinda guranteed to find atleast some people playing any game. There have been many games where PSN had nobody palying a certain game. thats on reason why I think Live is better. Not to mention much faster downloads, a seemless experince, and a overal better one. thats worth 50 dollars a year to me more then a "I hope they give me something I like this week" Mentality that PSN Plus is.
GamerProDude
Yeah, me and 14 million other people homeboy. You can dillude yourself all you liek that PSN is a better service, but its not even the same at this point. Maybe thatll change, but its not right now. Your ina small minority if you legitametly think PSN is really superior to Live solely based on the fact that its Free. Free dont mean better. Its like how Free to play MMOs arent nearly as good as WoW.
[QUOTE="XboximusPrime"][QUOTE="GamerProDude"] My assumption? That's the way it's ALWAYS been... Why the **** would I think otherwise? GamerProDude
thats how its been on PC, but even thats not always true when ti comes to MMOs. PS2 had Free online alst gen, but it was **** and was barely supported. Live set the precedent of paid online subscription on consoles, and that seems to be the way things are going. Either deal with it or dont play games online. I have no problem paying for Live as it actualy give me benefits to the stuff I do on the console. PSN Plus does not as its whole thing is a assumption.
No offense dude, but I'm going to stop out discussion here because your to far out for me. I've never met anyone with such skewed views on things... Have a nice gaming life.Irony at its finest. Because clearly anything that charges you cant be as good as something thats free right? Seriosuly dude, rethink yourself.
Don't tell him! Let him believe! He already thinks Live is a great deal... Let him be happy.[QUOTE="GamerProDude"][QUOTE="genaroll"] What finding people playing has nothing to do with live or psn.Its just that more people actually play on live than psn.XboximusPrime
Yeah, me and 14 million other people homeboy. You can dillude yourself all you liek that PSN is a better service, but its not even the same at this point. Maybe thatll change, but its not right now. Your ina small minority if you legitametly think PSN is really superior to Live solely based on the fact that its Free. Free dont mean better. Its like how Free to play MMOs arent nearly as good as WoW.
PSN being or not superior has 0 to do with the debate here. And people pay for Live because theres no other way to play online not because they enjoy it. Wow man your really really out there. I should have known looking at your username...[QUOTE="XboximusPrime"][QUOTE="GamerProDude"] Don't tell him! Let him believe! He already thinks Live is a great deal... Let him be happy.GamerProDude
Yeah, me and 14 million other people homeboy. You can dillude yourself all you liek that PSN is a better service, but its not even the same at this point. Maybe thatll change, but its not right now. Your ina small minority if you legitametly think PSN is really superior to Live solely based on the fact that its Free. Free dont mean better. Its like how Free to play MMOs arent nearly as good as WoW.
PSN being or not superior has 0 to do with the debate here. And people pay for Live because theres no other way to play online not because they enjoy it. Wow man your really really out there. I should have known looking at your username...If you knew anything about me and my posting habits, you would know, if anything, im a little down on 360. (Maybe not lately, but in the past) my username has jack didily to do with it. I chose it because I thought it sounded funny. It no way indicates any kind of allegience. However, looking at you and maybe your potential posting history (dont have much of one since your just a newbie right now) I can see many Pro PS3 and bashing 360 posts in your future. Also, you are a damn damn fool if you dont think people enjoy Live and happily pay for it. thats the most asanyne assumption ive ever heard. Is that why you hear everyone say their happy to pay for Live thats opinon si worth a damn and actualy uses the service. Again dude, rethink yourself.
Also, I thought you were dont discussing this with me?
[QUOTE="SuprmanLuvHandl"][QUOTE="JordanizPro"]
I dont know about the PSN but Xbox live Golddoes give you your moneys worth.Last fm,Facebook,netflix,zune,twitter,ESPN and early access to demos.
JordanizPro
access to websites you can get for free on the computer is worth 50 a year?
PC doesnt count were talking about PSN and LiveAccess to websites you can get for free on the PS3 is worth $50 a year?
[QUOTE="JordanizPro"]:lol: WOW... My brain hurts from trying to understand how you could possibly have that opinion. PS+ destroys live in value, it isn't a matter of "opinion", it's fact. No party chat = epic fail.I dont know about the PSN but Xbox live Golddoes give you your moneys worth.Last fm,Facebook,netflix,zune,twitter,ESPN and early access to demos.
Ohthelhama
I dont know about the PSN but Xbox live Golddoes give you your moneys worth.Last fm,Facebook,netflix,zune,twitter,ESPN and early access to demos.
:lol: WOW... My brain hurts from trying to understand how you could possibly have that opinion. PS+ destroys live in value, it isn't a matter of "opinion", it's fact. No party chat = epic fail. Paying to play online = epic fail See what i did there? Anyway the services are pretty even, PSN needs cross game chat and they're completely even to me.PSN plus is an additional service, while Xbox Live Gold is a denial of basic features unless you pay up.
Timstuff
Not paying the Service fee denys you to paly games liek WoW altogether, but I dont hear people **** about that. I swear, people seem to think them charging for live is some trabisty, but everyone I talk to and people in the industry dont seem to have a problem with it and think its great. I think the people mainly complaining about it are people who dont even use it, never used it, or dont even own a 360. Again, this is assumption, but I think its a fairly accurate one.
XBLG > PSN+ > PSN > XBLS
Why doesn't PSN+ have cross game chat? I mean it may seem like nothing but I really don't understand how I played video games before it was around. To me it just seems like a basic feature so why doesn't PSN+ support it. One of the reasons I hate MW2 so much is because it removes cross-game chat in many playlists. Such a stupid move by Infinity Ward.
Why doesn't PSN+ have cross game chat? I mean it may seem like nothing but I really don't understand how I played video games before it was around. To me it just seems like a basic feature so why doesn't PSN+ support it. One of the reasons I hate MW2 so much is because it removes cross-game chat in many playlists. Such a stupid move by Infinity Ward.
Casboof
SONY is slow on the uptake alot of times. They have a notrious reputation of dragging their ass's
Another thing I liek better about live is that you have a certain level of reasurance. Your assured that it wont be down that often, that there wont be many or any large maitanences that require the entire grid to be down unlike PSN, your assured that the servers are taken care of on MS end, meaning you have some security in that if you want to play a game online, no matter how old, chances are servers and people are still palying it. On live, your kinda guranteed to find atleast some people playing any game. There have been many games where PSN had nobody palying a certain game. thats on reason why I think Live is better. Not to mention much faster downloads, a seemless experince, and a overal better one. thats worth 50 dollars a year to me more then a "I hope they give me something I like this week" Mentality that PSN Plus is.
XboximusPrime
Help me here.
So live is better because xbox live users refuse to move on from old games.? Because what you say there is that old games still have people to play while on PSN they don't but that is not a service problems,that is a people problem i don't know about you,but i am sure that most PS3 fans don't want to play the same games for ever,but is funny what you say,because like a week ago,i launched Resistance 1 and i was able to play with people,and you can't really find and older game on PS3 than Resistance is a launch tittle dude.
Dude live games mostly run on P2P connections not servers,the servers you talk are for buying live DLC or games,PSN isn't down very often either and is free i don't pay a cent for it,on 2007 that would have been true but now PS3 downloads, download on my connection pretty much at max speed,easy to know since have compare files of equal size on PC and they take more or less the same to download.
Actually for mamy people who got the service alone the first month would have probably get them half theirs money's worth or more,and they still have 11 more to go,no matter how you slice it games are not free and they never have,unless you show me where i can download live games for free,just like on live on PSN games cost money so i think they are doing quite a good business,n ow on the other hand online play is free on and has been on.
PC,DC,PS2,PS3,GC,WII,DS,PSP.
And the on ly one charging for over hyped features is MS.
[QUOTE="JordanizPro"]
I dont know about the PSN but Xbox live Golddoes give you your moneys worth.Last fm,Facebook,netflix,zune,twitter,ESPN and early access to demos.
access to websites you can get for free on the computer is worth 50 a year?
I was about to say this. Neither one is worth it especially XBL.Why doesn't PSN+ have cross game chat? I mean it may seem like nothing but I really don't understand how I played video games before it was around. To me it just seems like a basic feature so why doesn't PSN+ support it. One of the reasons I hate MW2 so much is because it removes cross-game chat in many playlists. Such a stupid move by Infinity Ward.
Casboof
I think the feature was going to be included,but before the service was actually release,a flame war started because PSN users want cross game chat free,and not been part of PSN+.
And what IW did should be done on any FPS for 360,and even on PS3 if it gets cross game chat,because on games like MW 2 it open up for cheaters,nothing better than been playing a search and destroy game,and have it ruin by a dead team mate of the other team who actually say were you were hiding,it just take away from the game and ruin the whole experience.
[QUOTE="Casboof"]
Why doesn't PSN+ have cross game chat? I mean it may seem like nothing but I really don't understand how I played video games before it was around. To me it just seems like a basic feature so why doesn't PSN+ support it. One of the reasons I hate MW2 so much is because it removes cross-game chat in many playlists. Such a stupid move by Infinity Ward.
XboximusPrime
SONY is slow on the uptake alot of times. They have a notrious reputation of dragging their ass's
So where is the Home equivalent on live.? you know a place where i can have my own virtual place,get in touch with friend launch games from there,play games,have special places themed to several games,like the RE5 one,uncharted 2 and many others.? and best of all FREEEEEEEE..
Where is youtube upload free again,you know what for some one who like to point out what PSN is missing,you surely don't notice what Live is missing,where ever you think they are good or not.
[QUOTE="Timstuff"]
PSN plus is an additional service, while Xbox Live Gold is a denial of basic features unless you pay up.
XboximusPrime
Not paying the Service fee denys you to paly games liek WoW altogether, but I dont hear people **** about that. I swear, people seem to think them charging for live is some trabisty, but everyone I talk to and people in the industry dont seem to have a problem with it and think its great. I think the people mainly complaining about it are people who dont even use it, never used it, or dont even own a 360. Again, this is assumption, but I think its a fairly accurate one.
And we are still wondering why the industry is dying.
It's great that we get capped services that need to be unlocked because everyone I spoke with is fine with it. We also enjoy out 15$ DLCs for 4 maps and having our purchase locations decided by capped content that only one or two stores give.
I mean really...
Oh and about the WoW thing, just let me introduce you to the basics of online.
WOW: clusters of servers-thousands of players persistently connected. Every input is processed by the server.
LIVE: authentification servers--game--master server or matchmaking(like a really cheap server that only manages small bits of data--game servers = users--host (you)--9 people connected to you (aka your own bandwidth.
So they are like night and day.
[QUOTE="Pug-Nasty"][QUOTE="tbolt76"] How do you figure "it's yours?" When you buy a game, you do not technically "own" it. You own a license to use it. The same with movies and music. That license can be controlled by the distributors and their partners as they seem fit. Live Gold gives advantages over free PSN. Faster services, more stable connections are two of the main things. An example: game add-ons. On PSN, you spend anywhere from 5-10 minutes downloading them, then another 5-10 installing it. On XBL it is a 2-3 minute process, download AND install. Features that PSN has been trying to add for years are built into the architecture of Live (cross game chat anyone?). I could go on and on, but a lot of the things that make XBL Gold worth $50 a year (if you pay full price, but that is another thread) are not easy to quantify, but, if you use both PSN and XBL Gold, you see and feel the difference.tbolt76
You do buy a license for a game rather than the game itself, because if you owned the game they couldn't sell it anymore. It's semantics. In the end you buy the license for the whole game from the publisher when you buy it, and MS holds your online portion hostage until you pay them.
You can argue this all you want but in the end here's the only thing that matters. Games with online portion cost the same at retail for both ps3 and 360 versions.
Again, that license is distributed, with and without features as the owners and their partners see fit. A deal a publisher makes with one company is not the same as one they make with another. Your argument is using the assumption that Sony and MS deals are the same, obviously, they are not. As far as retail purchasing, you are correct, there is no arguing that fact. Yet, that is semantics as well. Just looking at the surface of the issue does not fully explain the difference. So use you free PSN and spend 30 minutes updating and and adding DLC to your games while I spent 1/10th the time to do the same thing, on the same connection with the same sized file. XBL Gold is worth the money for one reason and one reason alone, synergy. The same reason people love the iPhone and Macs. Ease of use.I don't think I've ever bought a game and spent 30 minutes updating it. Fact is, updates are generally small and quick, and in the end I play the same game online, with the same quality of gameplay, for the cost of the game, rather than the cost of the game plus the cost of the service.
My argument has nothing to do with Sony and MS deals being the same, but rather that the game is the same, and that's what matters.
All I'm saying is comparing gold to ps plus is a waste of time, because the only thing they have in common is price. It's like comparing a video game and a stainless steel pot because they both cost 60 bucks at retail. Makes no sense.
none of that is worth 50, i can wait for demos and netflix costs money and idk about last fm prolly costs money also and i am sure espn will cost money if not i am surprisedI dont know about the PSN but Xbox live Golddoes give you your moneys worth.Last fm,Facebook,netflix,zune,twitter,ESPN and early access to demos.
JordanizPro
[QUOTE="Timstuff"]
PSN plus is an additional service, while Xbox Live Gold is a denial of basic features unless you pay up.
XboximusPrime
Not paying the Service fee denys you to paly games liek WoW altogether, but I dont hear people **** about that. I swear, people seem to think them charging for live is some trabisty, but everyone I talk to and people in the industry dont seem to have a problem with it and think its great. I think the people mainly complaining about it are people who dont even use it, never used it, or dont even own a 360. Again, this is assumption, but I think its a fairly accurate one.
Why in earth's name are we attacking such malafide schemes of robbing people, called XBL? Let me explain to you; The game industry has a tendency to copy each other when it comes to money making. Just like DLC has skyrocketed because thousands of stuck-up ###### with money to waste were eagerly buying overpriced, should-be-in-the-retail-game content. XBL is the same thing. I wouldn't be suprised if Sony or Nintendo started charging us for online gameplay, because the spineless fools did not boycot a multi-billion coorporation that was holding MP part of the game for ransom WHICH CONSUMERS ALREADY DAMNED PAYED FOR AT RETAIL. I do not condone this. I will not condone this ever. We should let both the DLC and pay-for-online craze die out as soon as possible before it starts infecting other platforms. So what if you get superior online? You make PSN sound like unplayable, fact is; PSN is even at its worst a stable online platform for online games. WHICH IS FREE. The benefits of paying an extra 36$ (using amazon pricing) to 50$ (using official retail) does not warrant or justify that slight advantage XBL has over a free service. You also seem to be forgetting that XBL is REQUIRED to use any online features of the 360 whereas. It's an added cost to already expensive games nowadays. With PSN+, you have a choice REGARDLESS of how good or bad PSN+ is. You will ALWAYS have the choice NOT to pay and still play online. M$ doesn't even have the courtesy to give you a decision. Want to play your games online?, well F you! Fork over some money first. What would be bad about M$ offering a free service? What would be bad about not paying for online anymore? Do we not already pay for the MP part of our games when purchasing these game at retail or DD? But ah- M$ won't do that. No sane person is going to be happy about paying for Live! when other platforms are ALL FREE. No sane person is going to be FORCED to pay to enjoy online. I am aware I used some foul language[QUOTE="XboximusPrime"][QUOTE="Timstuff"]
PSN plus is an additional service, while Xbox Live Gold is a denial of basic features unless you pay up.
Locutus_Picard
Not paying the Service fee denys you to paly games liek WoW altogether, but I dont hear people **** about that. I swear, people seem to think them charging for live is some trabisty, but everyone I talk to and people in the industry dont seem to have a problem with it and think its great. I think the people mainly complaining about it are people who dont even use it, never used it, or dont even own a 360. Again, this is assumption, but I think its a fairly accurate one.
Why in earth's name are we attacking such malafide schemes of robbing people, called XBL? Let me explain to you; The game industry has a tendency to copy each other when it comes to money making. Just like DLC has skyrocketed because thousands of stuck-up ###### with money to waste were eagerly buying overpriced, should-be-in-the-retail-game content. XBL is the same thing. I wouldn't be suprised if Sony or Nintendo started charging us for online gameplay, because the spineless fools did not boycot a multi-billion coorporation that was holding MP part of the game for ransom WHICH CONSUMERS ALREADY DAMNED PAYED FOR AT RETAIL. I do not condone this. I will not condone this ever. We should let both the DLC and pay-for-online craze die out as soon as possible before it starts infecting other platforms. So what if you get superior online? You make PSN sound like unplayable, fact is; PSN is even at its worst a stable online platform for online games. WHICH IS FREE. The benefits of paying an extra 36$ (using amazon pricing) to 50$ (using official retail) does not warrant or justify that slight advantage XBL has over a free service. You also seem to be forgetting that XBL is REQUIRED to use any online features of the 360 whereas. It's an added cost to already expensive games nowadays. With PSN+, you have a choice REGARDLESS of how good or bad PSN+ is. You will ALWAYS have the choice NOT to pay and still play online. M$ doesn't even have the courtesy to give you a decision. Want to play your games online?, well F you! Fork over some money first. What would be bad about M$ offering a free service? What would be bad about not paying for online anymore? Do we not already pay for the MP part of our games when purchasing these game at retail or DD? But ah- M$ won't do that. No sane person is going to be happy about paying for Live! when other platforms are ALL FREE. No sane person is going to be FORCED to pay to enjoy online. I am aware I used some foul languageGreat points dude.
In fact i wonder how it helped 360 those $50 a year when Gears was lagging badly,or when MW2 was a cheat fest did it help.? how people paying $50 a year helped the tons of 360 games that had receive a patch to fix somehting broken online.?
And it comes down to that,people over hyping features because online play which is what really matter is pretty much the same on both consoles,hell the PS3 had more games on severs and is a free service,MS made live a a messure to control developer,their content and rip as much as they could from their costumers.
And instead of going foward and letting MS know that they are tire of paying $50 a year for the pleasure of connecting to other people,they sat and start defending the few features the system still has over PSN,even if they are not worth $50,hell i play a game like Warhawk online 32 players,huge maps,airplanes,tanks,jeeps at the same time and the game run smooth as butter i played GOW on 360 4 vs 4 on a small stage and i could not believe for the life of me how bad the game ran,and how badly invalance it was.
Again, that license is distributed, with and without features as the owners and their partners see fit. A deal a publisher makes with one company is not the same as one they make with another. Your argument is using the assumption that Sony and MS deals are the same, obviously, they are not. As far as retail purchasing, you are correct, there is no arguing that fact. Yet, that is semantics as well. Just looking at the surface of the issue does not fully explain the difference. So use you free PSN and spend 30 minutes updating and and adding DLC to your games while I spent 1/10th the time to do the same thing, on the same connection with the same sized file. XBL Gold is worth the money for one reason and one reason alone, synergy. The same reason people love the iPhone and Macs. Ease of use.[QUOTE="tbolt76"][QUOTE="Pug-Nasty"]
You do buy a license for a game rather than the game itself, because if you owned the game they couldn't sell it anymore. It's semantics. In the end you buy the license for the whole game from the publisher when you buy it, and MS holds your online portion hostage until you pay them.
You can argue this all you want but in the end here's the only thing that matters. Games with online portion cost the same at retail for both ps3 and 360 versions.
Pug-Nasty
I don't think I've ever bought a game and spent 30 minutes updating it. Fact is, updates are generally small and quick, and in the end I play the same game online, with the same quality of gameplay, for the cost of the game, rather than the cost of the game plus the cost of the service.
My argument has nothing to do with Sony and MS deals being the same, but rather that the game is the same, and that's what matters.
All I'm saying is comparing gold to ps plus is a waste of time, because the only thing they have in common is price. It's like comparing a video game and a stainless steel pot because they both cost 60 bucks at retail. Makes no sense.
If the deals are different, then the games are different. The way the games are delivered to each platform is different. Again, what you are not taking into account is the backend fees. Fees the developers have to pay Sony for bandwidth that is not charged by MS. You may say, yeah, that is not coming out of my pocket, but it is. Those fees are passed on to the consumer via less content or higher costs for games. The worst part about that is the fact that people who use the 360 exclusively still feel that pain on multiplats, basically, subsidising PS3 online play.
I just tried playing U2 after about 3 months and there was an update. I timed it and it took 12 minutes to download (I have FiOS 20 down 10 up) and another 7 minutes to install. That is 19 minutes of me waiting to play a game, why should I put up with that? Because its free? My gaming time has been limited lately and waiting 19 minutes to play a game, when I may have only an hour to myself is unacceptable. I never ever have had this poblem with XBL. I downloaded an XBLA title and was playing within 10 minutes, half of the time it took for my PS3 to update a title.
[QUOTE="Pug-Nasty"]
[QUOTE="tbolt76"] Again, that license is distributed, with and without features as the owners and their partners see fit. A deal a publisher makes with one company is not the same as one they make with another. Your argument is using the assumption that Sony and MS deals are the same, obviously, they are not. As far as retail purchasing, you are correct, there is no arguing that fact. Yet, that is semantics as well. Just looking at the surface of the issue does not fully explain the difference. So use you free PSN and spend 30 minutes updating and and adding DLC to your games while I spent 1/10th the time to do the same thing, on the same connection with the same sized file. XBL Gold is worth the money for one reason and one reason alone, synergy. The same reason people love the iPhone and Macs. Ease of use.tbolt76
I don't think I've ever bought a game and spent 30 minutes updating it. Fact is, updates are generally small and quick, and in the end I play the same game online, with the same quality of gameplay, for the cost of the game, rather than the cost of the game plus the cost of the service.
My argument has nothing to do with Sony and MS deals being the same, but rather that the game is the same, and that's what matters.
All I'm saying is comparing gold to ps plus is a waste of time, because the only thing they have in common is price. It's like comparing a video game and a stainless steel pot because they both cost 60 bucks at retail. Makes no sense.
If the deals are different, then the games are different. The way the games are delivered to each platform is different. Again, what you are not taking into account is the backend fees. Fees the developers have to pay Sony for bandwidth that is not charged by MS. You may say, yeah, that is not coming out of my pocket, but it is. Those fees are passed on to the consumer via less content or higher costs for games. The worst part about that is the fact that people who use the 360 exclusively still feel that pain on multiplats, basically, subsidising PS3 online play.
I just tried playing U2 after about 3 months and there was an update. I timed it and it took 12 minutes to download (I have FiOS 20 down 10 up) and another 7 minutes to install. That is 19 minutes of me waiting to play a game, why should I put up with that? Because its free? My gaming time has been limited lately and waiting 19 minutes to play a game, when I may have only an hour to myself is unacceptable. I never ever have had this poblem with XBL. I downloaded an XBLA title and was playing within 10 minutes, half of the time it took for my PS3 to update a title.
So...you basically earn so much money that you'd rather pay 50$ instead of waiting 19 minutes once in while? You must be a surgeon looking down on saving 50$ while waiting 19 minutes. PS3 has been patched for the atricious download times in the most recent update, so that argument isn't really valid anymore. I still don't see any justifyable reason to have XBL Gold, to be more precise; I don't think XBL isn't worth 36$-50$ at a yearly basis. 10$ max.[QUOTE="XboximusPrime"]
[QUOTE="Casboof"]
Why doesn't PSN+ have cross game chat? I mean it may seem like nothing but I really don't understand how I played video games before it was around. To me it just seems like a basic feature so why doesn't PSN+ support it. One of the reasons I hate MW2 so much is because it removes cross-game chat in many playlists. Such a stupid move by Infinity Ward.
Eltormo
SONY is slow on the uptake alot of times. They have a notrious reputation of dragging their ass's
So where is the Home equivalent on live.? you know a place where i can have my own virtual place,get in touch with friend launch games from there,play games,have special places themed to several games,like the RE5 one,uncharted 2 and many others.? and best of all FREEEEEEEE..
Where is youtube upload free again,you know what for some one who like to point out what PSN is missing,you surely don't notice what Live is missing,where ever you think they are good or not.
I would rather have cross-game chat over both those.
[QUOTE="tbolt76"]Those fees are passed on to the consumer via less content or higher costs for games.
Slashkice
Considering PS3 games tend to have the same amount of content as the 360 version (and recently PS3 games have even been getting exclusive content) and both versions are the same price...that's really a moot point.
DLC for games like Left 4 Dead, Left 4 Dead 2, and Metro 2033 cost more than the intended price of $0...but those aren't PS3 games.
L4D2 content ''The Passing'' anyone? Surely with XBL you pay for the subscription that ALLOWS you to buy ''The Passing'' which is free on the PC platform. :lol: That's awesome, I wish I payed money so I can pay more money.[QUOTE="Eltormo"]
[QUOTE="XboximusPrime"]
SONY is slow on the uptake alot of times. They have a notrious reputation of dragging their ass's
Casboof
So where is the Home equivalent on live.? you know a place where i can have my own virtual place,get in touch with friend launch games from there,play games,have special places themed to several games,like the RE5 one,uncharted 2 and many others.? and best of all FREEEEEEEE..
Where is youtube upload free again,you know what for some one who like to point out what PSN is missing,you surely don't notice what Live is missing,where ever you think they are good or not.
I would rather have cross-game chat over both those.
I don't know man, but I prefer talking to people in real life or having local co-op. No need to buy overpriced, propiatary headsets M$ is forcing you to buy. And cross-game chat still isn't worth 50$ a year :lol:If the deals are different, then the games are different. The way the games are delivered to each platform is different. Again, what you are not taking into account is the backend fees. Fees the developers have to pay Sony for bandwidth that is not charged by MS. You may say, yeah, that is not coming out of my pocket, but it is. Those fees are passed on to the consumer via less content or higher costs for games. The worst part about that is the fact that people who use the 360 exclusively still feel that pain on multiplats, basically, subsidising PS3 online play.
I just tried playing U2 after about 3 months and there was an update. I timed it and it took 12 minutes to download (I have FiOS 20 down 10 up) and another 7 minutes to install. That is 19 minutes of me waiting to play a game, why should I put up with that? Because its free? My gaming time has been limited lately and waiting 19 minutes to play a game, when I may have only an hour to myself is unacceptable. I never ever have had this poblem with XBL. I downloaded an XBLA title and was playing within 10 minutes, half of the time it took for my PS3 to update a title.
I don't believe you, 19 mins? I just d/l that same update and it took maybe 4 mins. You need to check your connection, it shouldn't even take you 10 mins for a XBL game to d/l so clearly something is wrong on your end.
ehh, i don't care if you people buy live "its their money they can do whatever they want with it" do i feel as though their getting ripped off, in a way yes i do, but ehh, some people may like all the bells and whistles that comes along with live. But for me i just want to buy a game and not have to fork over a little bit more money just to use the online portion of it.
I have to have gold to enjoy free games and themes, and gamerpics and such? really? um no most of the time the free stuff is available to silver users... But hey your next gonna tell us the false hood that psn is majority filled with free items and not minority.With PSN
- You do not need a paid subscription to use Hulu+
- you do not need apaid subscription to JUST play online
- You do not need a paid subscription to use Netflex
- You do not need a paid subscription to access a lot of materal that is free on PSN
Those who want to pay 50 a year can get EXTRA content and REDUCED prices, and more.More is coming to PSN and it is getting better with each update and upgrade. Most of it will be free while some will be for PSN+
So PSN is not = to Live.
Ravenlore_basic
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