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#1 amaneuvering
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http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/shopto-pspgo-is-almost-dead-before-it-has-arrived

Interesting...

From my perspective the download format is ultimately better for the cosumer, or it eventually will be, and it is the future of most types of entertainment (movies, games, music etc), so to me this just makes the high street shops seem like asses who don't really give a crap about the consumer's best interests at all.

I personally can't wait until we don't have to buy physical games any more, or consoles too for that matter, and just stream all our games and entertainment to a simple little box.

This is the future and so many people are afraid of it.

Just imagine how different things would be right now if companies like Apple had been as ignorant as most other people seem to be about the future of digital distribution and the upcoming cloud type entertainment services etc...

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#2 Silent-Hal
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Well I'm sure as hell not buying one. Download only? Go **** yourselves Sony.
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#3 campbell1874
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I've heard other people say this but is it true that it cost more to download a game than it does to buy the disk. If thats true then its a rip off to customers.

I understand the retailers not wanting to stock it. They are asked to stock a PSPgo but Sony will make all future profits so what the incentive to push the PSPgo when they could still sell the PSP3000 and make money on the games. Sony could have allowed them to sell games via online store and the shop could have set up stalls so people could go in and download the game. This would of helped boost the PSPgo sales and kept the retailers happy.

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#4 thelastguy
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The price is going to kill it, not the fact that it is all DD

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It's like watching a mockumentary on a fake product. I can't help but laugh.
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It's like watching a mockumentary on a fake product. I can't help but laugh.musicalmac
Yes. Exactly. 250 dollars. My eyes are still bulging :shock:
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Yeah, once you go download only then you can expect to never get a good deal on games. I legally buy all my games (and I rarely buy pre-owned) but some games aren't worth full price to me. If you go download only then you can forget about shopping around. Most games will be full price for ages and will only go as low as platinum prices allow. See Xbox on Demand as an example. I can buy many of the games on there for less than £10 and get a disc.

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[QUOTE="musicalmac"]It's like watching a mockumentary on a fake product. I can't help but laugh.Jandurin
Yes. Exactly. 250 dollars. My eyes are still bulging :shock:

This will be a failure of epic proportions. Nintendo is currently laughing its head off at how much money it will make on this move.

Unless, they drop the price significantly. But even still, whats the advantage over a psp-3000?

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#9 _SWAG_
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dont believe everything u read especially some of these gaming media. the psp go will be a success like the ps3 it might have a rough start but later it will dominate

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#10 nini200
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Well I'm sure as hell not buying one. Download only? Go **** yourselves Sony. Silent-Hal
Same here. No UMD Drive? What is Sony thinking this gen? I loved the PS2 but this gen, Sony has been screwing up majorly with the PS3 and PSP. They snatched Backwards Compatibility and much more off the PS3, they basically have nothing to interest people in buying a PSP anymore, and with this new PSPgo, they titled it perfectly because especially at that price, when I see it, I will see "PSP", turn around, and "go" away.

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Yeah, once you go download only then you can expect to never get a good deal on games.

d_black

dont know what your talking about, seeing as digital games get more bargains generally.

never seen bioshock of dark athena in stores for $5 before.

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http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/shopto-pspgo-is-almost-dead-before-it-has-arrived

Interesting...

From my perspective the download format is ultimately better for the cosumer, or it eventually will be, and it is the future of interactive and other forms of entertainment, so to me this just makes the shops seem like asses who don't really give a crap about the consumers best interests at all.

I personally can't wait until we don't even have to buy the physicl games, or consoles too for that matter, and just stream all our games and entertainment to a simple little box.

amaneuvering
Better for the consumer? Tell me how paying the same price for a game but having less control over it is somehow "better". DD is designed only to increase profits for publishers by taking advantage of lazy people who have no idea about the basic "Marginal Cost" principals of microeconomics. Digital Distribution means that companies don't have to produce "copies" of a game, meaning it costs them the same fixed cost to sell 1 copy as it does for them to sell 1,000,000. Tell me how it's fair for them to charge anywhere more than 25% of the game's retail price if it's costing them virtually nothing to publish on a per-unit basis.
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[QUOTE="musicalmac"]It's like watching a mockumentary on a fake product. I can't help but laugh.Jandurin
Yes. Exactly. 250 dollars. My eyes are still bulging :shock:

So true... unless it comes in at least 80 gig in built memory with some free games slapped on.... seriously, you are better off buying any of the 3 consoles, original PSP or a DS for this outrageous price of $250
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I have a 3000 and I would have get a go since its smaller,looks more pretty(to me at least) and my current psp has some dead pixels here and there since I droped it sometimes. I also like the DD feel of the PSP I own like 3 DD games 2 being PS1 games and 1 being a psp game and it felt great not having to deal with a umd. Its just the asking price is to freaking much sony. I mean really when it comes to priceing things sony you just suck. I guss ill wait for a price drop.

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http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/shopto-pspgo-is-almost-dead-before-it-has-arrived

Interesting...

From my perspective the download format is ultimately better for the cosumer, or it eventually will be, and it is the future of most types of entertainment (movies, games, music etc), so to me this just makes the high street shops seem like asses who don't really give a crap about the consumer's best interests at all.

I personally can't wait until we don't have to buy physical games any more, or consoles too for that matter, and just stream all our games and entertainment to a simple little box.

This is the future and so many people are afraid of it.

Just imagine how different things would be right now if companies like Apple had been as ignorant as most other people seem to be about the future of digital distribution and the upcoming cloud type entertainment services etc...

amaneuvering

While there are still caps on download/upload in America I prey that streaming games never happens or I will just stick to retro games only.

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[QUOTE="amaneuvering"]

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/shopto-pspgo-is-almost-dead-before-it-has-arrived

Interesting...

From my perspective the download format is ultimately better for the cosumer, or it eventually will be, and it is the future of interactive and other forms of entertainment, so to me this just makes the shops seem like asses who don't really give a crap about the consumers best interests at all.

I personally can't wait until we don't even have to buy the physicl games, or consoles too for that matter, and just stream all our games and entertainment to a simple little box.

cutmaclass1

Tell me how it's fair for them to charge anywhere more than 25% of the game's retail price if it's costing them virtually nothing to publish on a per-unit basis.

because printing games isnt where the majority of the cost comes from? its not rocket science, games cost the amount they do becausr there expensive to make, not because there expensive to produce boxes for, sheesh.

if you honestly think that DD games should be 25% the cost of retail games then you really need to think about it some more, plastic and dvds arnt expensive by a long shot, especially not when there mas produced.

especially on the pc, where all you need is a printer, a dvd case and a blank dvd and boom, you have something that does the exact same thing as the disc.

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[QUOTE="amaneuvering"]

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/shopto-pspgo-is-almost-dead-before-it-has-arrived

Interesting...

From my perspective the download format is ultimately better for the cosumer, or it eventually will be, and it is the future of interactive and other forms of entertainment, so to me this just makes the shops seem like asses who don't really give a crap about the consumers best interests at all.

I personally can't wait until we don't even have to buy the physicl games, or consoles too for that matter, and just stream all our games and entertainment to a simple little box.

cutmaclass1

Better for the consumer? Tell me how paying the same price for a game but having less control over it is somehow "better". DD is designed only to increase profits for publishers by taking advantage of lazy people who have no idea about the basic "Marginal Cost" principals of microeconomics. Digital Distribution means that companies don't have to produce "copies" of a game, meaning it costs them the same fixed cost to sell 1 copy as it does for them to sell 1,000,000. Tell me how it's fair for them to charge anywhere more than 25% of the game's retail price if it's costing them virtually nothing to publish on a per-unit basis.

Maybe I should have said eventually or inevitably or whatever.

I'm not saying right now that in every way it's better for the consumer but once this whole download revolution takes off it's inevitable that it is going to be better for pretty much everyone; cheaper costs for the publishers and developers, cheaper prices for the consumers, no need to take up physical storage space so no waste material, no need to use up valuable natural resources such as plastics for the DVDs or cut down tress for packaging, no need to travel to the store to hunt for a copy of the game, can have multiple games/movies/songs all easily accessible from a single place without having to change disks or anything...

It's ultimately going to workout better for the cosumer...It's the future...END

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[QUOTE="cutmaclass1"][QUOTE="amaneuvering"]

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/shopto-pspgo-is-almost-dead-before-it-has-arrived

Interesting...

From my perspective the download format is ultimately better for the cosumer, or it eventually will be, and it is the future of interactive and other forms of entertainment, so to me this just makes the shops seem like asses who don't really give a crap about the consumers best interests at all.

I personally can't wait until we don't even have to buy the physicl games, or consoles too for that matter, and just stream all our games and entertainment to a simple little box.

Better for the consumer? Tell me how paying the same price for a game but having less control over it is somehow "better". DD is designed only to increase profits for publishers by taking advantage of lazy people who have no idea about the basic "Marginal Cost" principals of microeconomics. Digital Distribution means that companies don't have to produce "copies" of a game, meaning it costs them the same fixed cost to sell 1 copy as it does for them to sell 1,000,000. Tell me how it's fair for them to charge anywhere more than 25% of the game's retail price if it's costing them virtually nothing to publish on a per-unit basis.

Exactly. Add to this the competition of the psp-go. The DS, which is a mega hit, aimed at, lets be honest, a much younger audience. In general, the games are generally better, you get physical copies of the games which is much easier for a younger age group, and the price is almost 50% more than the current DS. Its a no brainer that the PSP-Go is set to fail unless they lower the price $100 dollars and pack some games onto the system. And even then, theres really no guarantee. AND we have ZuneHD and the iPhone/iPod touch vying for the portable gaming market, which you know that Apple is going to be targeting heavily in the next two years, with a more powerful machine. All in all, the PSP-Go is friggin doomed.
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Good, we don't need more of the "P"iece of (Fill in the Blank) "P"ortable.:P

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i trade in my old games for new games so if my trade in values go away i won't be able to buy as many new releases.

analysts can tell me dl only is good for me and the industry as a whole until they are blue in the face but that does not make it any more true...

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I'm for DD but not in the way of consoles. mostly because they are closed systems. Unlike the pc where you can get from anywhere and there is price competition. because there is only one distributor if we had only DD for consoles this would hurt the consumer.
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#22 amaneuvering
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i trade in my old games for new games so if my trade in values go away i won't be able to buy as many new releases.

analysts can tell me dl only is good for me and the industry as a whole until they are blue in the face but that does not make it any more true...

Riverwolf007
This kind of stuff should come in time, in the same way Apple now allows you to legally distribute a single copy of a file to up to 5 other computer freely without any additional charges.
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#23 amaneuvering
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I'm for DD but not in the way of consoles. mostly because they are closed systems. Unlike the pc where you can get from anywhere and there is price competition. because there is only one distributor if we had only DD for consoles this would hurt the consumer. Ontain
That's also most likely going to happen in the future too in some way...
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#24 amaneuvering
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You guys are really not seeing the bigger picture at all are you...

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#25 skektek
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DD is BAD for the consumer, its GOOD for the corporations.

I hope the PSPgo flops badly and sends an import message to Sony about DD.

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The price is going to kill it, not the fact that it is all DD

thelastguy

This.

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i just don't understand WHY it's so expensive.
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The PSP was dead when it launched
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What if you don't have wireless in your house?
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#30 amaneuvering
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DD is BAD for the consumer, its GOOD for the corporations.

I hope the PSPgo flops badly and sends an import message to Sony about DD.

skektek
No it's not In the short term it's not going to make much difference but in the long term it's much better for the consumer in so many ways.
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The PSP was dead when it launchedSergeAndKid
It sells quite well for a dead handheld.
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[QUOTE="amaneuvering"][QUOTE="skektek"]

DD is BAD for the consumer, its GOOD for the corporations.

I hope the PSPgo flops badly and sends an import message to Sony about DD.

No it's not In the short term it's not going to make much difference but in the long term it's much better for the consumer in so many ways.

Unless they reduce the price for the consumer we really don't benefit much other than the "instant gratification" of having the game the second you want it. The company saves loads of cash on not having to create physical media. Do they pass the savings onto the consumer?
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What if you don't have wireless in your house?Bread_or_Decide

Then right now it's not really better for you...but that doesn't change the fact that soon enough it will be the superior solution for the vast majority of people that are currently experiencing these various forms of entertainment in the more traditional way.

I'm pretty sure the naysayers came out with similar rubbish statements when Apple first started talking about this crazy idea called iTunes and this utterly stupid device called iPod that was sure to flop because it didn't use physical media and whatnot...

Everything in time...

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The PSP was dead when it launchedSergeAndKid

lol, keep dreaming.

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The PSP was dead when it launchedSergeAndKid
Awesome zombie then?
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[QUOTE="cutmaclass1"][QUOTE="amaneuvering"]

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/shopto-pspgo-is-almost-dead-before-it-has-arrived

Interesting...

From my perspective the download format is ultimately better for the cosumer, or it eventually will be, and it is the future of interactive and other forms of entertainment, so to me this just makes the shops seem like asses who don't really give a crap about the consumers best interests at all.

I personally can't wait until we don't even have to buy the physicl games, or consoles too for that matter, and just stream all our games and entertainment to a simple little box.

warmaster670

Tell me how it's fair for them to charge anywhere more than 25% of the game's retail price if it's costing them virtually nothing to publish on a per-unit basis.

because printing games isnt where the majority of the cost comes from? its not rocket science, games cost the amount they do becausr there expensive to make, not because there expensive to produce boxes for, sheesh.

if you honestly think that DD games should be 25% the cost of retail games then you really need to think about it some more, plastic and dvds arnt expensive by a long shot, especially not when there mas produced.

especially on the pc, where all you need is a printer, a dvd case and a blank dvd and boom, you have something that does the exact same thing as the disc.

I think the issue is more with price over time. Stores, publishers, etc all offer sales on games because the physical boxes take up store space that they want cleared out to make room for new product. Therefore, there is always incentive, with a phsyical product, to cut the price at some point to clear out the product. With DD there is no actual physical product, and the space being taken up is only equivalent to one single copy of the game. Therefore, there is no space issues, no storage issues, no need to clear out product or cut prices. That is why over time, phsyical games are cheaper while DD has little incentive to reduce prices.

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[QUOTE="amaneuvering"][QUOTE="skektek"]

DD is BAD for the consumer, its GOOD for the corporations.

I hope the PSPgo flops badly and sends an import message to Sony about DD.

Bread_or_Decide

No it's not In the short term it's not going to make much difference but in the long term it's much better for the consumer in so many ways.

Unless they reduce the price for the consumer we really don't benefit much other than the "instant gratification" of having the game the second you want it. The company saves loads of cash on not having to create physical media. Do they pass the savings onto the consumer?

Do you honestly believe that's never going to happen...

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i don't mind download only if game prices drop by atleast £10, but the psp go's price is ridiculous, and you can get all the games on umd for cheaper.

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Sony sure does well at ignoring its failed formats.
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i just don't understand WHY it's so expensive.VideoGameGuy
It is in the price range of media handhelds like the Ipod Touch and it is even capable of doing more (like play games). I don't see it as that expensive when I compare it with other devices like those.
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[QUOTE="VideoGameGuy"]i just don't understand WHY it's so expensive.RedruM_I
It is in the price range of media handhelds like the Ipod Touch and it is even capable of doing more (like play games). I don't see it as that expensive when I compare it with other devices like those.

I bought my DS Lite for 130 dollars ages ago. I bought my Wii AT LAUNCH for the same price.
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#42 amaneuvering
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i don't mind download only if game prices drop by atleast £10, but the psp go's price is ridiculous, and you can get all the games on umd for cheaper.

Mckenna1845

While I agree that right now it's not really a better deal and doesn't really offer any value over just buying a game at a local store it's pretty clear that is all going to come in time. Once it becomes more the norm to go the DD route, across all types of entertainment, I'm pretty sure the consumer will see a lot of benefits to this approach and not just in terms of cheaper prices which are inevitably coming.

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#43 Asim90
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I was going to buy a PSP Go at launch but the price totally put me off. There is no way I'm paying more money for a console that is more expensive then it was when it launched 4 years ago. It also has less parts, non removable battery and a smaller screen. It should cost no more than £170. Sony charging around £230 for it is ridiculous.

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#44 finalfantasy94
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The PSP was dead when it launchedSergeAndKid

Yup thats why its still selling and still getting support:roll:. PSP achived something that every other handheld tried,but faild. It survived against the monster nintendo in the handheld market.

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#45 amaneuvering
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[QUOTE="RedruM_I"][QUOTE="VideoGameGuy"]i just don't understand WHY it's so expensive.Jandurin
It is in the price range of media handhelds like the Ipod Touch and it is even capable of doing more (like play games). I don't see it as that expensive when I compare it with other devices like those.

I bought my DS Lite for 130 dollars ages ago. I bought my Wii AT LAUNCH for the same price.

I totally think that devices like the iPod Touch and PSPgo are way overpriced for the average consumer.
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I totally think that devices like the iPod Touch and PSPgo are way overpriced for the average consumer.amaneuvering
Add the kindle to that list.
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#47 De_Bears
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Wait a friggin second? Its ok for Apple to invade game spaces with the very expensive I-Touch but Sony can't invade I-touch's space? I-touch is totally download and you can't upgrade memory. I think its a brilliant yet risky move.

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#48 Bread_or_Decide
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[QUOTE="amaneuvering"]I totally think that devices like the iPod Touch and PSPgo are way overpriced for the average consumer.Jandurin
Add the kindle to that list.

I could buy 30 books instead of one kindle and zero books for it.
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#49 Bread_or_Decide
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[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="RedruM_I"] It is in the price range of media handhelds like the Ipod Touch and it is even capable of doing more (like play games). I don't see it as that expensive when I compare it with other devices like those.amaneuvering
I bought my DS Lite for 130 dollars ages ago. I bought my Wii AT LAUNCH for the same price.

I totally think that devices like the iPod Touch and PSPgo are way overpriced for the average consumer.

Ipod Touch sales say different.
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#50 SergeAndKid
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[QUOTE="SergeAndKid"]The PSP was dead when it launchedfinalfantasy94

Yup thats why its still selling and still getting support:roll:. PSP achived something that every other handheld tried,but faild. It survived against the monster nintendo in the handheld market.

Could care less, it's game sells are mediocre no matter how many units it sells, it just further proves people just buy it because for it's media capabilities and piracy. it's basically a dead system outside of Japan. I thought the PSP was a gaming system first?