PSPgo is almost dead before it has arrived...

[QUOTE="amaneuvering"]I totally think that devices like the iPod Touch and PSPgo are way overpriced for the average consumer.Jandurin

It wont fail because it's download only, it will fail because it's overpriced to hell and back. What the hell?! A smaller PSP, way smaller screen, odd button placement, and no umd. There is absolutely no reason why this should be priced more than the PSP3000. You'd think they would learn from past mistakes of the PS3. As far as business goes.. This is basic kindergarden stuff here, don't overprice your products Sony..

I bought a PSP3000 with a 16GB memory stick duo. I practically have a PSPGO sitting with me for 50% cheaper. -_-

Wait a friggin second? Its ok for Apple to invade game spaces with the very expensive I-Touch but Sony can't invade I-touch's space? I-touch is totally download and you can't upgrade memory. I think its a brilliant yet risky move.

De_Bears

The iPod touch has more features than the PSP Go, a bigger screen and better battery life. You can also get a 32GB touch now for the same price as the PSP Go. The iPod touch is not overpriced for what you get, the PSP go however is.

[QUOTE="RedruM_I"][QUOTE="VideoGameGuy"]i just don't understand WHY it's so expensive.Jandurin

[QUOTE="amaneuvering"][QUOTE="Jandurin"] I bought my DS Lite for 130 dollars ages ago. I bought my Wii AT LAUNCH for the same price.Bread_or_Decide

[QUOTE="De_Bears"]

Wait a friggin second? Its ok for Apple to invade game spaces with the very expensive I-Touch but Sony can't invade I-touch's space? I-touch is totally download and you can't upgrade memory. I think its a brilliant yet risky move.

Asim90

The iPod touch has more features than the PSP Go, a bigger screen and better battery life. You can also get a 32GB touch now for the same price as the PSP Go. The iPod touch is not overpriced for what you get, the PSP go however is.

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="amaneuvering"] I totally think that devices like the iPod Touch and PSPgo are way overpriced for the average consumer.Jandurin

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="amaneuvering"]I totally think that devices like the iPod Touch and PSPgo are way overpriced for the average consumer.amaneuvering

[QUOTE="amaneuvering"][QUOTE="Jandurin"] I bought my DS Lite for 130 dollars ages ago. I bought my Wii AT LAUNCH for the same price.Bread_or_Decide

[QUOTE="amaneuvering"][QUOTE="Jandurin"] Add the kindle to that list.Bread_or_Decide

Kindle is a perfect example of a stopgap/filler product made precisely for early adopters, possibly like you, and the companies making them know fine well this type of device will be obsolete in a few years time but that some people will still buy into the concept regardless.

If you've got cash to throw around I suppose it's cool. Ultimately however it's a pointless little device that is a little ahead of it's time but that will already be behind the times before it ever really catches on in any meaniful way and therefore is really just a bit of a waste of money...but if you have it then why not spend it eh.

It's kinda just like Sony and Blu-Ray I suppose...but there's one born every minute as they say...

[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

[QUOTE="SergeAndKid"]The PSP was dead when it launchedSergeAndKid

Yup thats why its still selling and still getting support:roll:. PSP achived something that every other handheld tried,but faild. It survived against the monster nintendo in the handheld market.

Ok so since some pirate its a bad system? Thats some pretty silly logic. Also when did sales=great games? I know the psp doesint have the libary of the ds,but still has some great games. I never use my psp for music or any other stuff. Just gaming.

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="amaneuvering"] Indeed. I also think soon enough devices like that will be completely obsolete. As soon as someone makes a DECENT tablet PC that offers this as just one of it's many other functions. I'm thinking of something that is as simple elegant and sleek as an iPhone but around the size of a a4 book and with full touch screen capability where you can use either a stylus or your finger, that does pretty much everything current PCs/Phones/Laptops/Notebooks etc can do. It's surely coming soon enough but in the meantime some people will buy into the idea of devices like the Kindle and if it makes them happy then so be it.amaneuvering

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="amaneuvering"] I totally think that devices like the iPod Touch and PSPgo are way overpriced for the average consumer.amaneuvering

[QUOTE="amaneuvering"][QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"] I would get a kindle if it was 150 bucks and all of my fav books were on it (which they aren't.) The size and its ability to imitate paper are very impressive.Bread_or_Decide

You guys are really not seeing the bigger picture at all are you...

amaneuvering

[QUOTE="amaneuvering"][QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"] Ipod Touch sales say different. Bread_or_Decide

So Apples sold around 40 million units of iPod Touch and iPhone combined...yep that's a great argument for the price being suitable for the average consumer.

There's already over 100 million DS owners out there as a comparison (and even that machine is still too expensive imo)...

The iPod Touch is still a niche product for those early adopters and people with money to burn imo.

[QUOTE="amaneuvering"]

You guys are really not seeing the bigger picture at all are you...

nethernova

So the bigger picture here is that you are clearly in the minority being the "collector" that you are and are obviously unable to see beyond your own subjective preferences and feelings in this particular situation.

The average consumer doesn't really think like that imo...even those that currently think they do.

The reality is that right now a lot of people are simply a little scared or wary of something they don't really know that much about but in time and as it becomes the norm that will clearly change and I can promise you that you will indeed be in the very tiny minority when it comes to choosing hard copy over DD...in exactly the same way that people who prefer vinyl over CD/DVD/DD are absolutely in the minority now.

Like I said in a previous post earlier; the is the future and you're afraid of it

[QUOTE="Asim90"]

[QUOTE="De_Bears"]

Wait a friggin second? Its ok for Apple to invade game spaces with the very expensive I-Touch but Sony can't invade I-touch's space? I-touch is totally download and you can't upgrade memory. I think its a brilliant yet risky move.

RedruM_I

The iPod touch has more features than the PSP Go, a bigger screen and better battery life. You can also get a 32GB touch now for the same price as the PSP Go. The iPod touch is not overpriced for what you get, the PSP go however is.

I'll tell you what else:

Bigger screen with larger resolution
Better battery life
Full internet browser - the PSP one is so limited and slow
Youtube and BBC iPlayer support
Twice as much memory
Touch screen

I'm by no means saying that the iPod Touch is a better gaming device then the PSP because it isn't. I still have my launch PSP and the games on it are incredible. I'm just saying that the PSP Go is a rip off and that the iPod Touch is so much more advanced and proves how overpriced it is.

[QUOTE="RedruM_I"][QUOTE="Asim90"]

The iPod touch has more features than the PSP Go, a bigger screen and better battery life. You can also get a 32GB touch now for the same price as the PSP Go. The iPod touch is not overpriced for what you get, the PSP go however is.

Asim90

I'll tell you what else:

Bigger screen with larger resolution
Better battery life
Full internet browser - the PSP one is so limited and slow
Youtube and BBC iPlayer support
Twice as much memory
Touch screen

I'm by no means saying that the iPod Touch is a better gaming device then the PSP because it isn't. I still have my launch PSP and the games on it are incredible. I'm just saying that the PSP Go is a rip off and that the iPod Touch is so much more advanced and proves how overpriced it is.

I don't see that as being much more advanced. You can still do much of those things with the Go at relatively the same price + gaming.

[QUOTE="RedruM_I"][QUOTE="Asim90"]

The iPod touch has more features than the PSP Go, a bigger screen and better battery life. You can also get a 32GB touch now for the same price as the PSP Go. The iPod touch is not overpriced for what you get, the PSP go however is.

Asim90

I'll tell you what else:

Bigger screen with larger resolution
Better battery life
Full internet browser - the PSP one is so limited and slow
Youtube and BBC iPlayer support
Twice as much memory
Touch screen

I'm by no means saying that the iPod Touch is a better gaming device then the PSP because it isn't. I still have my launch PSP and the games on it are incredible. I'm just saying that the PSP Go is a rip off and that the iPod Touch is so much more advanced and proves how overpriced it is.

I personally still think both the iPod Touch and PSPgo are way too expensive for what they are.

[QUOTE="amaneuvering"]

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/shopto-pspgo-is-almost-dead-before-it-has-arrived

Interesting...

From my perspective the download format is ultimately better for the cosumer, or it eventually will be, and it is the future of most types of entertainment (movies, games, music etc), so to me this just makes the high street shops seem like asses who don't really give a crap about the consumer's best interests at all.

I personally can't wait until we don't have to buy physical games any more, or consoles too for that matter, and just stream all our games and entertainment to a simple little box.

This is the future and so many people are afraid of it.

Just imagine how different things would be right now if companies like Apple had been as ignorant as most other people seem to be about the future of digital distribution and the upcoming cloud type entertainment services etc...

spinecaton

While there are still caps on download/upload in America I prey that streaming games never happens or I will just stick to retro games only.

Yep, same here.

[QUOTE="SergeAndKid"][QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

Yup thats why its still selling and still getting support:roll:. PSP achived something that every other handheld tried,but faild. It survived against the monster nintendo in the handheld market.

finalfantasy94

Ok so since some pirate its a bad system? Thats some pretty silly logic. Also when did sales=great games? I know the psp doesint have the libary of the ds,but still has some great games. I never use my psp for music or any other stuff. Just gaming.

[QUOTE="spinecaton"]

[QUOTE="amaneuvering"]

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/shopto-pspgo-is-almost-dead-before-it-has-arrived

Interesting...

From my perspective the download format is ultimately better for the cosumer, or it eventually will be, and it is the future of most types of entertainment (movies, games, music etc), so to me this just makes the high street shops seem like asses who don't really give a crap about the consumer's best interests at all.

I personally can't wait until we don't have to buy physical games any more, or consoles too for that matter, and just stream all our games and entertainment to a simple little box.

This is the future and so many people are afraid of it.

Just imagine how different things would be right now if companies like Apple had been as ignorant as most other people seem to be about the future of digital distribution and the upcoming cloud type entertainment services etc...

madsnakehhh

While there are still caps on download/upload in America I prey that streaming games never happens or I will just stick to retro games only.

Yep, same here.

Digital Downloads aren't very ideal on a 16GB harddrive. Specially for people that buy lots of games. I've always liked it as an option but it totally would suck if it took over discs altogether. PSP Go is doomed to fail thats for sure and you tell us where in the minority?

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"] Ipod Touch sales say different. Bread_or_Decide

[QUOTE="skektek"]

DD is BAD for the consumer, its GOOD for the corporations.

I hope the PSPgo flops badly and sends an import message to Sony about DD.

amaneuvering

Care to elaborate?

Digital Downloads aren't very ideal on a 16GB harddrive. Specially for people that buy lots of games. I've always liked it as an option but it totally would suck if it took over discs altogether.

Crossel777

[QUOTE="amaneuvering"][QUOTE="skektek"]

DD is BAD for the consumer, its GOOD for the corporations.

I hope the PSPgo flops badly and sends an import message to Sony about DD.

skektek

Care to elaborate?

All the obvious and not so obvious ways...

It will mean less physical storage space required in your home, or backpack or whatever. Less cost for the publishers/distributers which will intevitably eventually trickle down to the developer and consumers. Less waste materials, such as old packaging, and less damage to the environment, for new packaging. It will mean almost immediate access to all the moveis/games/music/etc, rather than having to go to the local shop. It will mean easy access to multiple games on a single device without having to swap disks/cartridges/whatever all the time. It will mean a much broader range of developers can get involved because of the reduced costs and financial risks which will result in more choice for the consumer (see iPhone, although that doesn't mean it will a be high quality, but I suppose it's really more the consumers responsibility to pick the wheat from the chaff). It will eventually mean not having to buy new hardware/consoles all the time which will mean less storage space required, less money invested and so on.

Most of the real benefits will come in time, not that long away imo however, hence why I never said the PSPgo itself was a good device of worth the money just that DD is the future and that in the long term it will be better for the consumer.

In time there really won't be that much to debate about all of this, much in the same way there really isn't a serious debate any more about whether it's better to still buy good old fashioned vinyl every time you want a song/album or have an iPod with thousands of songs and albums on it (or some similar device).

I think you're a little too enthusiastic about DD to see why it's a poor option for many people.

Price: Many people have stated that sale prices and discounted games are a perk of physical media. What we see now with all of the consoles, which honestly we have no reason to believe will change is that games release for a certain price and they stay that price. Same can be said for the other media too. If I were to download the HD version of Wolverine today, I'm sure it would cost me the 4 months from now, but I bet you a can buy the BR this Thanksgiving for $15 somewhere.

ITunes: Yes ITunes is a success, but it still has not replaced the physical media of CDs. Sure more people get there music from ITunes but DD is not the only option and I don't see it being for quite a while. Also, the success of MP3 players is not wholely indicative of the success of all forms of media in a DD situation. In several ways it's unique. It can be considered a part or a whole: you can download a cd or just a song or two. You're not going to download just a level or two of a game.

I think you're a little too enthusiastic about DD to see why it's a poor option for many people.

Price: Many people have stated that sale prices and discounted games are a perk of physical media. What we see now with all of the consoles, which honestly we have no reason to believe will change is that games release for a certain price and they stay that price. Same can be said for the other media too. If I were to download the HD version of Wolverine today, I'm sure it would cost me the 4 months from now, but I bet you a can buy the BR this Thanksgiving for $15 somewhere.

ITunes: Yes ITunes is a success, but it still has not replaced the physical media of CDs. Sure more people get there music from ITunes but DD is not the only option and I don't see it being for quite a while. Also, the success of MP3 players is not wholely indicative of the success of all forms of media in a DD situation. In several ways it's unique. It can be considered a part or a whole: you can download a cd or just a song or two. You're not going to download just a level or two of a game.

shadowcat2576

Once again I say all that stuff is just a matter of time, and not a lot of time either, it's all coming soon enough. Well that's how I see it, and I think it's really quite clear for anyone else to see if they look properly, but everyone is free to see whatever they want to see of course.

excuse me but download only has its draw backs

1 just look at wii , 360 ps3

if the oiginal console you have dies all those downloads are tied to that console , /hard drive , the only way you can use it on another is if your online ,

and or call nintendo , sony

you can not expect to have your dlc on the 360 regardless, microsoft doesnt care ,

so why would i want downloadable full games, ? itll be the same problem at least if i wanted a new 360 wii or ps3 my hardcopies work regardless ,

and another thing is since they dont sell vouchers for the exact game you want , you have to use credit/debit cards and putting a debit card on your xbl account will give microsoft permission to keep charging you for xbox live regardless if you want it or not

i prefer hardcopies as a option , not soft copies as a manditary standard

I'm ok with DD as an option but the day hard copies die will be a very dark day for gaming...

Seriously, I won't be able to buy games used for cheaper, sell my used games, borrow games, lend games, all of that will be gone.

I simply like to actually OWN what I buy. Today most DD games have some form of restrictive DRM that cripples it. Even Steam... What if something happens to it? All your games will be gone! And the case is even worse with cloud computing services. The only great DD service out there right now is gog.com imo because it actually let's you do what the hell you want with what you bought. Even burn it to a CD if you want.
I can understand that some people prefer DD but it's allways good to have an option. And I highly doubt people who prefer hard copies are a minority.
And let's not forget the fact that many people today (me included) don't like using their credit cards online. Many don't even have credit cards.

There are still many people like me who like owning things. Why do you think EA droped Securom activations?

And really, the vynil example is a really bad one. cd's > vynil in every single way. They are both physical. The ipod/itunes in the other hand, while successful, haven't taken over CD's. And I doubt they will anytime soon.
Let's be fair here. There are 2 reasons why mp3 players are so successful:
1- You can still buy hard copies of your albums and then put them into the mp3. So they don't really affect hard copies as much as you make it seem.
2- Unfortunatelly, the second reason is piracy... Many people don't even bother buying the music. Or do you think people who carry mostly pirated music on their ipods are a rare breed?

nº1 doesn't really apply to games and nº 2, well, music piracy is much more widespread...

On the go!: It's retarded really. Appart from size, (and that's discussible) there is absolutely no reason to buy a go over a 3000. The 3000 is (much) cheaper, has a bigger screen, and, guess what, you can get DD with it as well! With the added bonus that you can also get UMD games if you want to.
Seriously everything the Go! does the 3000 does better. I'm betting this thing will flop very hard...

I am absolutley againdt this system! Physical media ftw!

I don't know what the **** Sony is thinking. Did they not learn anything from the initial PSP's launch? Price is key for handhelds, and just hiking it up even higher than the one that divebombed in terms of sales expectations isn't going to make people want it. It cost's $50 more than a XBOX 360 for Christ's sakes. And releasing this crap so soon after the PSP3000 came out is a double-whammy.

[QUOTE="shadowcat2576"]

I think you're a little too enthusiastic about DD to see why it's a poor option for many people.

Price: Many people have stated that sale prices and discounted games are a perk of physical media. What we see now with all of the consoles, which honestly we have no reason to believe will change is that games release for a certain price and they stay that price. Same can be said for the other media too. If I were to download the HD version of Wolverine today, I'm sure it would cost me the 4 months from now, but I bet you a can buy the BR this Thanksgiving for $15 somewhere.

ITunes: Yes ITunes is a success, but it still has not replaced the physical media of CDs. Sure more people get there music from ITunes but DD is not the only option and I don't see it being for quite a while. Also, the success of MP3 players is not wholely indicative of the success of all forms of media in a DD situation. In several ways it's unique. It can be considered a part or a whole: you can download a cd or just a song or two. You're not going to download just a level or two of a game.

Once again I say all that stuff is just a matter of time, and not a lot of time either, it's all coming soon enough. Well that's how I see it, and I think it's really quite clear for anyone else to see if they look properly, but everyone is free to see whatever they want to see of course.

The only possible good that could come from the PSP Go is that Sony drops the price of the PSP 3000, then I might consider buying one(PSP 3000 not the Go, Hell will freeze over before that happens)

[QUOTE="cutmaclass1"][QUOTE="amaneuvering"]

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/shopto-pspgo-is-almost-dead-before-it-has-arrived

Interesting...

From my perspective the download format is ultimately better for the cosumer, or it eventually will be, and it is the future of interactive and other forms of entertainment, so to me this just makes the shops seem like asses who don't really give a crap about the consumers best interests at all.

I personally can't wait until we don't even have to buy the physicl games, or consoles too for that matter, and just stream all our games and entertainment to a simple little box.

h575309

not only that but the Zune HD 16 GB costs 30 dollars less then the PSPGO and it does all the PSPGO can do and more

I rather have the the physical copy of the game. With games getting bigger and more complex,a 30 GB game will take like 8 hours on cable internet. Don't forget HDD are still not reliable. Digital copies are not the future just an option.

Is anyone here actually considering purchasing one of these? I'd like to hear if so, why.musicalmac

The price is going to kill it, not the fact that it is all DD

thelastguy

Yeah, once you go download only then you can expect to never get a good deal on games. I legally buy all my games (and I rarely buy pre-owned) but some games aren't worth full price to me. If you go download only then you can forget about shopping around. Most games will be full price for ages and will only go as low as platinum prices allow. See Xbox on Demand as an example. I can buy many of the games on there for less than £10 and get a disc.

d_black

Should have just stuck with the PSP3000's design.