Qore is part of PSN, so technically it can now cost you.

[QUOTE="signore"]

lemmings have a hit a new low

This is optional,, why would Sony include all these features for free? hell, why not just give games away for free too?

We get to play games online for free, you dont. End thread/argument.

ReverseCycology

Hey guess what XBL Silver is free to download these Qore features. So you also have an option, XBL Silver or XBL Gold. Same thing with Sony, you have an option now, PSN Silver or PSN Gold (Qore).

No matter which way you try to spin it

PSN still is free to play online for a year

XBL is $49.99 to play online for a year.

No matter what kind of spin job you try to do you can't avoid those facts.

[QUOTE="ReverseCycology"][QUOTE="signore"]

lemmings have a hit a new low

This is optional,, why would Sony include all these features for free? hell, why not just give games away for free too?

We get to play games online for free, you dont. End thread/argument.

CajunShooter

Hey guess what XBL Silver is free to download these Qore features. So you also have an option, XBL Silver or XBL Gold. Same thing with Sony, you have an option now, PSN Silver or PSN Gold (Qore).

No matter which way you try to spin it

PSN still is free to play online for a year

XBL is $49.99 to play online for a year.

No matter what kind of spin job you try to do you can't avoid those facts.

you cant avoid fact either, fact is youre going to have to pay for a tv show and early demos and betas

[QUOTE="signore"]

lemmings have a hit a new low

This is optional,, why would Sony include all these features for free? hell, why not just give games away for free too?

We get to play games online for free, you dont. End thread/argument.

ReverseCycology

Hey guess what XBL Silver is free to download these Qore features. So you also have an option, XBL Silver or XBL Gold. Same thing with Sony, you have an option now, PSN Silver or PSN Gold (Qore).

Do me a favor and cancel your gold xbl then try to play online, see if you can.

Why is this even being debated? It's free to play online.

[QUOTE="CajunShooter"][QUOTE="ReverseCycology"][QUOTE="signore"]

lemmings have a hit a new low

This is optional,, why would Sony include all these features for free? hell, why not just give games away for free too?

We get to play games online for free, you dont. End thread/argument.

ParadiddleFill

Hey guess what XBL Silver is free to download these Qore features. So you also have an option, XBL Silver or XBL Gold. Same thing with Sony, you have an option now, PSN Silver or PSN Gold (Qore).

No matter which way you try to spin it

PSN still is free to play online for a year

XBL is $49.99 to play online for a year.

No matter what kind of spin job you try to do you can't avoid those facts.

you cant avoid fact either, fact is youre going to have to pay for a tv show and early demos and betas

Or we could just not pay or watch the show etc, and still play online for free lol.

[QUOTE="CajunShooter"][QUOTE="ReverseCycology"][QUOTE="signore"]

lemmings have a hit a new low

This is optional,, why would Sony include all these features for free? hell, why not just give games away for free too?

We get to play games online for free, you dont. End thread/argument.

ParadiddleFill

Hey guess what XBL Silver is free to download these Qore features. So you also have an option, XBL Silver or XBL Gold. Same thing with Sony, you have an option now, PSN Silver or PSN Gold (Qore).

No matter which way you try to spin it

PSN still is free to play online for a year

XBL is $49.99 to play online for a year.

No matter what kind of spin job you try to do you can't avoid those facts.

you cant avoid fact either, fact is youre going to have to pay for a tv show and early demos and betas

No one has to buy the service

Every PSN user does not have to drop a penny on this service to still play online. Nice job owning yourself.

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

[QUOTE="CajunShooter"]That is like saying Lemmings have to pay probably another $29.99 for GTAIV DLC therefore XBL= $79.98 a yearCajunShooter

So I get all the Resistance, Warhawk, Pain, and so on dlc for free when I sign up for Qore? :o ;)

WTF are you talking about?

You will get some stuff for free for instance you get Calling All Cars for free this month. Calling All Cars itself is worth more than the $2.99 the episode will cost.

You added XBL DLC to the fee, so I thought I'd do the same. Works both ways.

[QUOTE="ReverseCycology"]

PSN Silver = free online

PSN Gold (Qore) = free online, exclusive demos, betas, HD content, etc.

Chutebox

I see you haven't "updated" your sig to include your imaginary Ps3.

Darthogre, I'm from America so don't say that!

lol And he'll ignore you if you call him out about. Amazing how he will respond every time unless you say something about his imaginary PS3.

lemmings have a hit a new low

This is optional,, why would Sony include all these features for free? hell, why not just give games away for free too?

We get to play games online for free, you dont. End thread/argument.

signore

[QUOTE="CajunShooter"][QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

[QUOTE="CajunShooter"]That is like saying Lemmings have to pay probably another $29.99 for GTAIV DLC therefore XBL= $79.98 a yearBioShockOwnz

So I get all the Resistance, Warhawk, Pain, and so on dlc for free when I sign up for Qore? :o ;)

WTF are you talking about?

You will get some stuff for free for instance you get Calling All Cars for free this month. Calling All Cars itself is worth more than the $2.99 the episode will cost.

You added XBL DLC to the fee, so I thought I'd do the same. Works both ways.

I was making the type of argument that lemmings were making

They said PSN cost $24.99 because it is a DLC

That would be like me saying it cost $80 because you have to pay for the GTAIV Downloads when they are 100% optional

You don't add DLC to the price of the service. I was showing how hypocritial lemmings are.

PSN service is Free

PS Store is Free

Qore is $24.99 a 100% optional Download

[QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"][QUOTE="CajunShooter"][QUOTE="ReverseCycology"][QUOTE="signore"]

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CajunShooter

you cant avoid fact either, fact is youre going to have to pay for a tv show and early demos and betas

No one has to buy the service

Every PSN user does not have to drop a penny on this service to still play online. Nice job owning yourself.

well if people want to get the same content live offers then youre going to have to pay for it

PSN Silver = free online

PSN Gold (Qore) = free online, exclusive demos, betas, HD content, etc.

ReverseCycology

What in the world are you talking about?

Paying for early access to demo's is absolutely laughable. Sony, good one. You know how to milk the cows.BioShockOwnz

Kinda like how gold membership get demos early?

Paying for early access to demo's is absolutely laughable. Sony, good one. You know how to milk the cows.BioShockOwnz

So... Xbox Live Gold and Silver rings any bells?

its not just one download though, its demos and other gaming content for a feeParadiddleFill

It's essentially DLC though. Literally, it's not online gaming or anything. It's just DLC like anything else :|

its not just one download though, its demos and other gaming content for a feeParadiddleFill

People without Qore still get the demos. People are really grasping for straws here.

[QUOTE="CajunShooter"][QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"][QUOTE="CajunShooter"][QUOTE="ReverseCycology"][QUOTE="signore"]

[

ParadiddleFill

you cant avoid fact either, fact is youre going to have to pay for a tv show and early demos and betas

No one has to buy the service

Every PSN user does not have to drop a penny on this service to still play online. Nice job owning yourself.

well if people want to get the same content live offers then youre going to have to pay for it

I should know that on System Wars lemmings are just going to bash everything and put their own spin on it and never change their minds even when the facts are right in their face.

Qore is not taking away from any of the PS store updates every Thursday.

Qore is the equivalent of paying for a Magazine that will give you interviews, previews free PSN download games, and Early beta access.

I don't know how it could be any simplier but I guess it will just have to wait until thursday when all the lemmings will get owned.

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]Paying for early access to demo's is absolutely laughable. Sony, good one. You know how to milk the cows.Chutebox

Kinda like how gold membership get demos early?

Thank god for PC. Console only gamers get the short end of the stick again.

PSN is free. Qore isn't. It's like saying PSN costs money because you have to pay for Warhawk.

Please.

heretrix

/thread

[QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"]its not just one download though, its demos and other gaming content for a feethrones

It's essentially DLC though. Literally, it's not online gaming or anything. It's just DLC like anything else :|

well yeah everything you download is dlc, unless youre streaming it whats your point?

I noticed how this is turning into a discussion about online play and not the practice of providing demos and betas to people that pay over the people that don't.

THIS IS DAMAGE CONTROL.

I clearly remember people laughing at the lemmings when it was revealed that XBL gold subscribers would get certain demos before the silver customers. Qore is EXACTLY the same thing. I don't care how it's packaged, it is the same practice. And nothing is wrong with it. I just wish people would man up and just deal with it.

You will either get it or you won't, but don't act like people weren't bashing the lemmings for this.Now lets move on.

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]Paying for early access to demo's is absolutely laughable. Sony, good one. You know how to milk the cows.BioShockOwnz

Kinda like how gold membership get demos early?

Thank god for PC. Console only gamers get the short end of the stick again.

Nice save lol.

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]Paying for early access to demo's is absolutely laughable. Sony, good one. You know how to milk the cows.thrones

So... Xbox Live Gold and Silver rings any bells?

2 wrongs don't make a right.

PSN still have free online gaming..Its our decision if we want to purchase Qore to get early access to demo and contents..

Wtf is wrong with lemmings..lol..

Imagine of Qore has its own virtual Home lobby where you could access these exclusive videos, demos, betas, etc.

I noticed how this is turning into a discussion about online play and not the practice of providing demos and betas to people that pay over the people that don't.

THIS IS DAMAGE CONTROL.

I clearly remember people laughing at the lemmings when it was revealed that XBL gold subscribers would get certain demos before the silver customers. Qore is EXACTLY the same thing. I don't care how it's packaged, it is the same practice. And nothing is wrong with it. I just wish people would man up and just deal with it.

You will either get it or you won't, but don't act like people weren't bashing the lemmings for this.Now lets move on.

heretrix

Don't forget the stink cows raised with Crackdown. Lems were "paying" for a Halo 3 Beta, even though they were paying for an excellent game and getting the beta for free. I love how some posters would make it to believe that cows never made a stink over even more ridiculous things. They have and they continue to do so.

[QUOTE="thrones"]

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]Paying for early access to demo's is absolutely laughable. Sony, good one. You know how to milk the cows.BioShockOwnz

So... Xbox Live Gold and Silver rings any bells?

2 wrongs don't make a right.

So milkage of cows is some how laughable but milkage of lemmings isnt?

Imagine of Qore has its own virtual Home lobby where you could access these exclusive videos, demos, betas, etc.

ReverseCycology

If it did. But it doesn't. Anyway, I want more PSN people on my list, what's yours? :(

[QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"][QUOTE="CajunShooter"][QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"][QUOTE="CajunShooter"][QUOTE="ReverseCycology"][QUOTE="signore"]

[

CajunShooter

you cant avoid fact either, fact is youre going to have to pay for a tv show and early demos and betas

No one has to buy the service

Every PSN user does not have to drop a penny on this service to still play online. Nice job owning yourself.

well if people want to get the same content live offers then youre going to have to pay for it

I should know that on System Wars lemmings are just going to bash everything and put their own spin on it and never change their minds even when the facts are right in their face.

Qore is not taking away from any of the PS store updates every Thursday.

Qore is the equivalent of paying for a Magazine that will give you interviews, previews free PSN download games, and Early beta access.

I don't know how it could be any simplier but I guess it will just have to wait until thursday when all the lemmings will get owned.

no its not but thats not a good thing, i mean compared to live psn store is lacking in content. When this Qore thing will come out im sure more third party demos will be out for psn at the same time as live. The problem is that youre going to have to pay for it.

Qore isnothing like a magazine, amagazine i can take anywhere with me, this ismore like ign insider which is a rippoff

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"][QUOTE="thrones"]

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]Paying for early access to demo's is absolutely laughable. Sony, good one. You know how to milk the cows.carljohnson3456

So... Xbox Live Gold and Silver rings any bells?

2 wrongs don't make a right.

So milkage of cows is some how laughable but milkage of lemmings isnt?

I had the same stance then as I do now. This isn't about MS, though. We've been through it with them, now it's Sony's greedy turn.

[QUOTE="ReverseCycology"]

Imagine of Qore has its own virtual Home lobby where you could access these exclusive videos, demos, betas, etc.

thrones

If it did. But it doesn't. Anyway, I want more PSN people on my list, what's yours? :(

:lol: HAHAHA!

Good luck getting a response, he told he was going to change his sig to show his PSN ID last week, lol.

no its not but thats not a good thing, i mean compared to live psn store is lacking in content. When this Qore thing will come out im sure more third party demos will be out for psn at the same time as live. The problem is that youre going to have to pay for it.

Qore isnothing like a magazine, amagazine i can take anywhere with me, this ismore like ign insider which is a rippoff

ParadiddleFill

Most third party demos come at a similar time, if not they just come on Thursday every week :|

[QUOTE="ReverseCycology"]

Imagine of Qore has its own virtual Home lobby where you could access these exclusive videos, demos, betas, etc.

thrones

If it did. But it doesn't. Anyway, I want more PSN people on my list, what's yours? :(

I see what you did there...

[QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"]

no its not but thats not a good thing, i mean compared to live psn store is lacking in content. When this Qore thing will come out im sure more third party demos will be out for psn at the same time as live. The problem is that youre going to have to pay for it.

Qore isnothing like a magazine, amagazine i can take anywhere with me, this ismore like ign insider which is a rippoff

thrones

Most third party demos come at a similar time, if not they just come on Thursday every week :|

no they dont live gets demos way before psn where have you been?

[QUOTE="thrones"][QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"]

no its not but thats not a good thing, i mean compared to live psn store is lacking in content. When this Qore thing will come out im sure more third party demos will be out for psn at the same time as live. The problem is that youre going to have to pay for it.

Qore isnothing like a magazine, amagazine i can take anywhere with me, this ismore like ign insider which is a rippoff

ParadiddleFill

Most third party demos come at a similar time, if not they just come on Thursday every week :|

no they dont live gets demos way before psn where have you been?

Yup, the majority of the time that's the truth.

[QUOTE="carljohnson3456"][QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"][QUOTE="thrones"]

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]Paying for early access to demo's is absolutely laughable. Sony, good one. You know how to milk the cows.BioShockOwnz

So... Xbox Live Gold and Silver rings any bells?

2 wrongs don't make a right.

So milkage of cows is some how laughable but milkage of lemmings isnt?

I had the same stance then as I do now. This isn't about MS, though. We've been through it with them, now it's Sony's greedy turn.

Well, seriously, I have less of a "beef" with this thing than I do LIVE, mainly because I dont have to buy it to take advantage of the $60 games I've already bought.

I just dont see how people can bash Sony so hard over this when it's essentially just extra DLC. Only way I'll have a problem with this service is if it interferes with the PS Store and free demos and stuff I've gotten there over the last year. If Qore subscribers get demos early, whatever, that's fine, but I dont want to have to have access to demos. That's the only beef I would have with this, and we dont even know how it's going to work.

[QUOTE="thrones"][QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"]

no its not but thats not a good thing, i mean compared to live psn store is lacking in content. When this Qore thing will come out im sure more third party demos will be out for psn at the same time as live. The problem is that youre going to have to pay for it.

Qore isnothing like a magazine, amagazine i can take anywhere with me, this ismore like ign insider which is a rippoff

ParadiddleFill

Most third party demos come at a similar time, if not they just come on Thursday every week :|

no they dont live gets demos way before psn where have you been?

Not really, there haven't been that many. Most of them come out in the same week.

Well, seriously, I have less of a "beef" with this thing than I do LIVE, mainly because I dont have to buy it to take advantage of the $60 games I've already bought.

I just dont see how people can bash Sony so hard over this when it's essentially just extra DLC. Only way I'll have a problem with this service is if it interferes with the PS Store and free demos and stuff I've gotten there over the last year. If Qore subscribers get demos early, whatever, that's fine, but I dont want to have to have access to demos. That's the only beef I would have with this, and we dont even know how it's going to work.

carljohnson3456

As I said, 2 wrongs don't make a right. Paying for early access to demo's and dlc is ridiculous. Not only will the devs not be able to get their demo into all gamers hands at the same time, but some online maps and other dlc will be dead until it can penetrate the entire market. It's funny how console manufacturer's are now trying to make money off promotional items (demo's). More milkage.

what i find really funny is that lemmings is paying 50 dollars a month and their complaing about Qore?? lmao this is to funny..Damrightfresh

whats funny is cows actually thought that sony wasent going to charge people for online content and services,i mean its sony for petes sake

what i find really funny is that lemmings is paying 50 dollars a month and their complaing about Qore?? lmao this is to funny..Damrightfresh

Just like cows did when they said lems were paying for the Halo 3 Beta and early access to demo's, right? :| It's all coming back, karma's a *****. Ya know, if cows didn't latch onto their company loyalty so much and they complained, Sony would get a clue and not charge for this, just like EA and their BF: BC DLC.

[QUOTE="carljohnson3456"]Well, seriously, I have less of a "beef" with this thing than I do LIVE, mainly because I dont have to buy it to take advantage of the $60 games I've already bought.

I just dont see how people can bash Sony so hard over this when it's essentially just extra DLC. Only way I'll have a problem with this service is if it interferes with the PS Store and free demos and stuff I've gotten there over the last year. If Qore subscribers get demos early, whatever, that's fine, but I dont want to have to have access to demos. That's the only beef I would have with this, and we dont even know how it's going to work.

BioShockOwnz

As I said, 2 wrongs don't make a right. Paying for early access to demo's and dlc is ridiculous. Not only will the devs not be able to get their demo into all gamers hands at the same time, but some online maps and other dlc will be dead until it can penetrate the entire market. It's funny how console manufacturer's are now trying to make money off promotional items (demo's). More milkage.

I agree. It's only going to get worse. Sony will charge for the PSN before long I imagine.

[QUOTE="Damrightfresh"]what i find really funny is that lemmings is paying 50 dollars a month and their complaing about Qore?? lmao this is to funny..BioShockOwnz

Just like cows did when they said lems were paying for the Halo 3 Beta and early access to demo's, right? :| It's all coming back, karma's a *****. Ya know, if cows didn't latch onto their company loyalty so much and they complained, Sony would get a clue and not charge for this, just like EA and their BF: BC DLC.

Yeah right man, "cows latching on" to Sony? So you think if cows complained Sony wouldnt do this? Besides, Sony has done anything yet, they havent taken anything away from anybody, so why would anyone complain yet? We (and you) dont even know what it is for sure yet.

I tell you what, since two wrongs dont make a right, why dont you rally a bunch of lemmings and see if you guys can complain about Live and see if they will stop charging for Live. It aint gonna happen. Not anybody's fault except Sony ya know, and that's the name of the game - greed.

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

[QUOTE="Damrightfresh"]what i find really funny is that lemmings is paying 50 dollars a month and their complaing about Qore?? lmao this is to funny..carljohnson3456

Just like cows did when they said lems were paying for the Halo 3 Beta and early access to demo's, right? :| It's all coming back, karma's a *****. Ya know, if cows didn't latch onto their company loyalty so much and they complained, Sony would get a clue and not charge for this, just like EA and their BF: BC DLC.

Yeah right man, "cows latching on" to Sony? So you think if cows complained Sony wouldnt do this? Besides, Sony has done anything yet, they havent taken anything away from anybody, so why would anyone complain yet? We (and you) dont even know what it is for sure yet.

I tell you what, since two wrongs dont make a right, why dont you rally a bunch of lemmings and see if you guys can complain about Live and see if they will stop charging for Live. It aint gonna happen. Not anybody's fault except Sony ya know, and that's the name of the game - greed.

EA heard the internet hate loud and clear. Guess what? They changed their approach with Battlefield because of it. If you never do anything and just go with the flow, then nothing will change.

Well, seriously, I have less of a "beef" with this thing than I do LIVE, mainly because I dont have to buy it to take advantage of the $60 games I've already bought.

I just dont see how people can bash Sony so hard over this when it's essentially just extra DLC. Only way I'll have a problem with this service is if it interferes with the PS Store and free demos and stuff I've gotten there over the last year. If Qore subscribers get demos early, whatever, that's fine, but I dont want to have to have access to demos. That's the only beef I would have with this, and we dont even know how it's going to work.

carljohnson3456

It's like when sony laughed at MS for multiple SKUs. The cows laughed at the lemmings. Then Sony went and released multiple SKUs. The lems laughed back.

Got rumble? The sixais sure didn't. It was considered obsolete by Sony, The cows laughed at the lems.. "Who needs rumble?" They said..Well Kojima and the boys at Polyphony needed and wanted rumble in their games..Sony then introduces the DS 3..The Lems laughed at the cows (yes, I know about the lawsuit, everybody did)

Now we have Qore. (ugh) The cows once laughed at the lems for XBL having the policy of releasing certain demos 2 weeks earlier for gold users. Even after lems replied "Well, just wait 2 weeks and get it for free" the cows still laughed...Now it's all about "Well you don't have to buy it"....

And the lems are laughing.

See the pattern? It's just how things are around here...Expect it.

[QUOTE="carljohnson3456"][QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

[QUOTE="Damrightfresh"]what i find really funny is that lemmings is paying 50 dollars a month and their complaing about Qore?? lmao this is to funny..BioShockOwnz

Just like cows did when they said lems were paying for the Halo 3 Beta and early access to demo's, right? :| It's all coming back, karma's a *****. Ya know, if cows didn't latch onto their company loyalty so much and they complained, Sony would get a clue and not charge for this, just like EA and their BF: BC DLC.

Yeah right man, "cows latching on" to Sony? So you think if cows complained Sony wouldnt do this? Besides, Sony has done anything yet, they havent taken anything away from anybody, so why would anyone complain yet? We (and you) dont even know what it is for sure yet.

I tell you what, since two wrongs dont make a right, why dont you rally a bunch of lemmings and see if you guys can complain about Live and see if they will stop charging for Live. It aint gonna happen. Not anybody's fault except Sony ya know, and that's the name of the game - greed.

EA heard the internet hate loud and clear. Guess what? They changed their approach with Battlefield because of it. If you never do anything and just go with the flow, then nothing will change.

Ok, that was for one game by EA. This is Sony, they arent going to listen to people complaining about paying for special DLC. Sony isnt forcing anybody to do this, and like I said, we dont even know how it's going to affect anybody yet, so what's there to complain about as of right now? Speculation? From System Wars? I dont think so.

Dont get me wrong, I will be highly po'd if they strip away demos and stuff from non Qore subscribers, but I'll let hit 'em where it hurts the most - the wallet. If it aint selling, they'll stop. Which is why Live is what? 5 years at $50 and still going strong?