Quality Exclusives - PS3 vs Xbox 360

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="argetlam00"]

And almost as old as the first God of War. 5 years is a very long time in console gaming. I don't think anyone can honestly say that a highly controversial AAA game even in 2005 (note metacritic of 81) like PDZ is equal in quality to God of War 3, which was released in 2010.

argetlam00

But we should. Even if we keep the same score for PDZ (which we should and will), we still must acknowledge that in this day and age, it provides almost nothing to the 360 library. For the life of me, I cannot possibly understand how anyone can view PDZ as equal to a modern title like God of War 3.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="argetlam00"]

And almost as old as the first God of War. 5 years is a very long time in console gaming. I don't think anyone can honestly say that a highly controversial AAA game even in 2005 (note metacritic of 81) like PDZ is equal in quality to God of War 3, which was released in 2010.

Ravensmash

best not try to change the rules so that they fit your agenda. consistency is important.

Yeah, a score is a score. I accept that. But can you honestly accept and hold PDZ and God of War 3 in equal regard?

[QUOTE="erglesmergle"]

Which system offers exclusives with the quality that an exclusive game should have, not multiplatform quality games sold as exclusives? Not going by scores either.

93soccer

Just by playing it. Realizing the games budget. And looking at the way the developers took advantage of the technology. You could rate any of the top PS3 exclusives a 7 or lower but that still wouldnt change the fact that theyre games of exclusive quality.

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="argetlam00"] Stop trying with this. PDZ is an AAA whether you like it, I like it, SW likes it.... Or should we all sit down in another thread and chat about which games should be 'stripped' of their scores? (And no, please lets not).argetlam00

But we should. Even if we keep the same score for PDZ (which we should and will), we still must acknowledge that in this day and age, it provides almost nothing to the 360 library. For the life of me, I cannot possibly understand how anyone can view PDZ as equal to a modern title like God of War 3.

best not try to change the rules so that they fit your agenda. consistency is important.

CaseyWegner

I'm not trying to change its score, I'm simply talking logic and common sense. The quality of the AAAE exclusive PDZ is not equal to that of AAAE exclusive God of War 3 despite receiving the same score.

and you're only applying this to the 360.

[QUOTE="argetlam00"]

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"]

But we should. Even if we keep the same score for PDZ (which we should and will), we still must acknowledge that in this day and age, it provides almost nothing to the 360 library. For the life of me, I cannot possibly understand how anyone can view PDZ as equal to a modern title like God of War 3.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

best not try to change the rules so that they fit your agenda. consistency is important.

CaseyWegner

I'm not trying to change its score, I'm simply talking logic and common sense. The quality of the AAAE exclusive PDZ is not equal to that of AAAE exclusive God of War 3 despite receiving the same score.

and you're only applying this to the 360.

Because PDZ is the only title that I see that is deserving of this criticism. I asked you to provide me of a PS3 AAA and you refused. I can see why too because I can very easily defend how every single PS3 AAA title provides alot to the console outside of a spot on the spreadsheet.

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

best not try to change the rules so that they fit your agenda. consistency is important.

argetlam00

Yeah, a score is a score. I accept that. But can you honestly accept and hold PDZ and God of War 3 in equal regard?

[QUOTE="argetlam00"]

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"] Indeed. I mean, are we going to regrade games or something :| A score (although opinion) is a recorded fact. It stands, end of.Ravensmash

Yeah, a score is a score. I accept that. But can you honestly accept and hold PDZ and God of War 3 in equal regard?

Sure, but we are talking about PDZ here. A very old and dated 360 exclusive. What does it provide to the 360 outside of a spot on the spreadsheet? How is the games quality in any possible way equal to that of a modern action game? Comparing PDZ with a modern action title is like comparing a modern game to that of last gen.

For me, good quality games are those with variety, deep and long ones, like RPGs and adventures, and 360 has far more than any other system

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="argetlam00"]

I'm not trying to change its score, I'm simply talking logic and common sense. The quality of the AAAE exclusive PDZ is not equal to that of AAAE exclusive God of War 3 despite receiving the same score.

argetlam00

and you're only applying this to the 360.

Because PDZ is the only title that I see that is deserving of this criticism. I asked you to provide me of a PS3 AAA and you refused. I can see why too because I can very easily defend how every single PS3 AAA title provides alot to the console outside of a spot on the spreadsheet.

you mean your opinions again?

[QUOTE="argetlam00"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

and you're only applying this to the 360.

CaseyWegner

Because PDZ is the only title that I see that is deserving of this criticism. I asked you to provide me of a PS3 AAA and you refused. I can see why too because I can very easily defend how every single PS3 AAA title provides alot to the console outside of a spot on the spreadsheet.

you mean your opinions again?

Nope, not at all. I wish for you to provide me how PDZ is significant addition to the 360 library this day and age outside of the spreadsheet and how it can be held in equal regard to a modern title.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="argetlam00"]

Because PDZ is the only title that I see that is deserving of this criticism. I asked you to provide me of a PS3 AAA and you refused. I can see why too because I can very easily defend how every single PS3 AAA title provides alot to the console outside of a spot on the spreadsheet.

argetlam00

you mean your opinions again?

Nope, not at all. I wish for you to provide me how PDZ is significant addition to the 360 library this day and age outside of the spreadsheet.

you mean my opinion?

[QUOTE="argetlam00"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

you mean your opinions again?

CaseyWegner

Nope, not at all. I wish for you to provide me how PDZ is significant addition to the 360 library this day and age outside of the spreadsheet.

you mean my opinion?

Yeah your opinion on how PDZ is in equal quality to God of War 3. Sure. How about it?

[QUOTE="93soccer"][QUOTE="argetlam00"]

But yet you disagree with my judgement of a 2005 AAAE 360 game and believe it to be equal in "quality" to GoW3? After all they have the same score?

argetlam00

Not at all, those games aren't that old, have top gameplay and provide a unique, unmatched experience on the PS3 system. The quality of PDZ is that of an AE game this day and age.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="argetlam00"]

Because PDZ is the only title that I see that is deserving of this criticism. I asked you to provide me of a PS3 AAA and you refused. I can see why too because I can very easily defend how every single PS3 AAA title provides alot to the console outside of a spot on the spreadsheet.

argetlam00

you mean your opinions again?

Nope, not at all. I wish for you to provide me how PDZ is significant addition to the 360 library this day and age outside of the spreadsheet and how it can be held in equal regard to a modern title.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="argetlam00"]

Nope, not at all. I wish for you to provide me how PDZ is significant addition to the 360 library this day and age outside of the spreadsheet.

argetlam00

you mean my opinion?

Yeah your opinion on how PDZ is in equal quality to God of War 3. Sure. How about it?

opinions are meaningless here.

Read review

Ravensmash

• Awesome presentation, featuring cutting-edge graphics and sound - in 2010? AAHAHHAHAHAH
• Delicious assortment of high-powered near-future weapons - Far outclassed. Was even outclassed by half life 2 when it came out.
• Excellent cooperative mission mode lets you play split screen or online - A very common feature.
• Lots of multiplayer options, including some clever twists on familiar themes -Lots of multiplayer options? Right, maybe on the 360 when it launched and can only be compared to niche titles
• One of the best original soundtracks this year. -Sure, soundtracks never get outclassed.

opinions are meaningless here.

CaseyWegner

Nah, in the end, everything in gaming is an opinion. Even a review and score from gamespot is an opinion.

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"]

Read review

argetlam00

• Awesome presentation, featuring cutting-edge graphics and sound - in 2010? AAHAHHAHAHAH
• Delicious assortment of high-powered near-future weapons - Far outclassed. Was even outclassed by half life 2 when it came out.
• Excellent cooperative mission mode lets you play split screen or online - A very common feature.
• Lots of multiplayer options, including some clever twists on familiar themes -Lots of multiplayer options? Right, maybe on the 360 when it launched and can only be compared to niche titles
• One of the best original soundtracks this year. -Sure, soundtracks never get outclassed.

opinions are meaningless here.

CaseyWegner

Nah, in the end, everything in gaming is an opinion. Even a review and score from gamespot is an opinion.

and those opinions are the accepted standard...not yours.

[QUOTE="argetlam00"]

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"]

• Awesome presentation, featuring cutting-edge graphics and sound - in 2010? AAHAHHAHAHAH
• Delicious assortment of high-powered near-future weapons - Far outclassed. Was even outclassed by half life 2 when it came out.
• Excellent cooperative mission mode lets you play split screen or online - A very common feature.
• Lots of multiplayer options, including some clever twists on familiar themes -Lots of multiplayer options? Right, maybe on the 360 when it launched and can only be compared to niche titles
• One of the best original soundtracks this year. -Sure, soundtracks never get outclassed.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

opinions are meaningless here.

CaseyWegner

Nah, in the end, everything in gaming is an opinion. Even a review and score from gamespot is an opinion.

and those opinions are the accepted standard...not yours.

Yet our opinions. I'm confused by your use of accepted standard. You think that PDZ in 2010 is the "accepted standard" as well?

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="argetlam00"]

Nah, in the end, everything in gaming is an opinion. Even a review and score from gamespot is an opinion.

argetlam00

and those opinions are the accepted standard...not yours.

Yet our opinions. I'm confused by your use of accepted standard. You think that PDZ in 2010 is the "accepted standard" as well?

it's the same generation.

[QUOTE="argetlam00"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

and those opinions are the accepted standard...not yours.

CaseyWegner

Yet our opinions. I'm confused by your use of accepted standard. You think that PDZ in 2010 is the "accepted standard" as well?

it's the same generation.

And its quality is the "accepted" AAA standard today? According to who? I still would like your opinion. How are they equal in quality?

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="argetlam00"]

Yet our opinions. I'm confused by your use of accepted standard. You think that PDZ in 2010 is the "accepted standard" as well?

argetlam00

it's the same generation.

And its quality is the "accepted" AAA standard today? According to who? I still would like your opinion. How are they equal in quality?

stop asking for my opinion. it doesn't matter. it's as meaningless as yours. what you are arguing can't be proven.

[QUOTE="argetlam00"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

it's the same generation.

CaseyWegner

And its quality is the "accepted" AAA standard today? According to who? I still would like your opinion. How are they equal in quality?

stop asking for my opinion. it doesn't matter. it's as meaningless as yours. what you are arguing can't be proven.

Nothing in System Wars can ever be proven for in the end everything is an opinion, so according to you this forum shouldn't even exist. Is it really that hard to give an opinion on something that you care enough to confront my opinion about? You still haven't explained how PDZ is 2010 AAA "quality standard"

Mass Effect 2 - only on 360 on consoles - 9.5/10 average score

That is what i call quality, huge (60+ hours), deep, varied RPG to play for months

And Fable 3 is around the corner, my next top quality game that i want more thanany other right now

Mass Effect 2 - only on 360 on consoles - 9.5/10 average score

That is what i call quality, huge (60+ hours), deep, varied RPG to play for months

a_simple_gamer

Yet we then realize that PC exists and....

[QUOTE="a_simple_gamer"]

Mass Effect 2 - only on 360 on consoles - 9.5/10 average score

That is what i call quality, huge (60+ hours), deep, varied RPG to play for months

argetlam00

Yet we then realize that PC exists and....

And still 2 millon people enjoy it on 360, both PC and 360 win huge

Guess which looses

Mass Effect 2 - only on 360 on consoles - 9.5/10 average score

That is what i call quality

a_simple_gamer

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="argetlam00"]

And its quality is the "accepted" AAA standard today? According to who? I still would like your opinion. How are they equal in quality?

argetlam00

stop asking for my opinion. it doesn't matter. it's as meaningless as yours. what you are arguing can't be proven.

Nothing in System Wars can ever be proven for in the end everything is an opinion, so according to you this forum shouldn't even exist. Is it really that hard to give an opinion on something that you care enough to confront my opinion about? You still haven't explained how PDZ is 2010 AAA "quality standard"

i already told you. it's the same generation.

[QUOTE="a_simple_gamer"]

Mass Effect 2 - only on 360 on consoles - 9.5/10 average score

That is what i call quality

Ravensmash

I don't have a problem with the scoring. I have already said leave it as AAA. What I have a problem with is viewing a 2005 game in the same quality standard as a 2010 AAA title.

i already told you. it's the same generation.

CaseyWegner

And yet the quality standard still changes throughout the generation does it not?

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="argetlam00"]

And its quality is the "accepted" AAA standard today? According to who? I still would like your opinion. How are they equal in quality?

argetlam00

stop asking for my opinion. it doesn't matter. it's as meaningless as yours. what you are arguing can't be proven.

Nothing in System Wars can ever be proven for in the end everything is an opinion, so according to you this forum shouldn't even exist. Is it really that hard to give an opinion on something that you care enough to confront my opinion about? You still haven't explained how PDZ is 2010 AAA "quality standard"

You mean then, that Uncharted 2 has been degraded to lower than AAA, because has been released far back ?

[QUOTE="argetlam00"]

[QUOTE="a_simple_gamer"]

Mass Effect 2 - only on 360 on consoles - 9.5/10 average score

That is what i call quality, huge (60+ hours), deep, varied RPG to play for months

a_simple_gamer

Yet we then realize that PC exists and....

And still 2 millon people enjoy it on 360, both PC and 360 win huge

Guess which looses

1) You have never proven the 2 million number.

2) Its not an exclusive. Therefore as relevant as any other multiplatform game.

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="a_simple_gamer"] A-greed :) One of the best games this gen IMO. And argent, give it up - it's beginning to be embarrasing. If you've got a problem with the scoring and want it to be more relevant in your eyes, take it up with the staff - we can't change the accepted facts here. AAA it is :)argetlam00

I don't have a problem with the scoring. I have already said leave it as AAA. What I have a problem with is viewing a 2005 game in the same quality standard as a 2010 AAA title.

i already told you. it's the same generation.

CaseyWegner

And yet the quality standard still changes throughout the generation does it not?

not to the degree you seem to be suggesting and only applying to 360 games.

[QUOTE="argetlam00"]

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"]

I don't have a problem with the scoring. I have already said leave it as AAA. What I have a problem with is viewing a 2005 game in the same quality standard as a 2010 AAA title.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

i already told you. it's the same generation.

CaseyWegner

And yet the quality standard still changes throughout the generation does it not?

not to the degree you seem to be suggesting and only applying to 360 games.

How exactly is it not to the degree I am suggesting? Simply looking at PDZ then looking at a game like Rage shows how far we have come.

I'm only applying this to 360 games (one in particular) because I don't see how the same situation corresponds to the PS3 AAA exclusives. I asked you to name me one and you haven't. Every PS3 AAA exclusive provides a top quality experience that are hard to find, especially in another PS3 title. Can't think of a single game that is substandard.

[QUOTE="a_simple_gamer"]

[QUOTE="argetlam00"]

Yet we then realize that PC exists and....

argetlam00

And still 2 millon people enjoy it on 360, both PC and 360 win huge

Guess which looses

1) You have never proven the 2 million number.

2) Its not an exclusive. Therefore as relevant as any other multiplatform game.

[QUOTE="argetlam00"]

[QUOTE="a_simple_gamer"]

And still 2 millon people enjoy it on 360, both PC and 360 win huge

Guess which looses

Ravensmash

1) You have never proven the 2 million number.

2) Its not an exclusive. Therefore as relevant as any other multiplatform game.

Yet you do not need a 360 to play the game.

[QUOTE="a_simple_gamer"]

[QUOTE="argetlam00"]

Yet we then realize that PC exists and....

argetlam00

And still 2 millon people enjoy it on 360, both PC and 360 win huge

Guess which looses

1) You have never proven the 2 million number.

2) Its not an exclusive. Therefore as relevant as any other multiplatform game.

At least you would like it to be that way, but it is not

Mass Effect 2 is only on PC/360, so far more relevant than a multipltform that is also on PS3

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="argetlam00"]

1) You have never proven the 2 million number.

2) Its not an exclusive. Therefore as relevant as any other multiplatform game.

argetlam00

Yet you do not need a 360 to play the game.

Actually, you do need either a 360 or PC, so you need one of them for sure and some people will choose 360

and dont tell me it has zero sales on 360

[QUOTE="argetlam00"]

[QUOTE="a_simple_gamer"]

And still 2 millon people enjoy it on 360, both PC and 360 win huge

Guess which looses

a_simple_gamer

1) You have never proven the 2 million number.

2) Its not an exclusive. Therefore as relevant as any other multiplatform game.

At least you would like it to be that way, but it is not

Mass Effect 2 is only on PC/360, so far more relevant than a multipltform that is also on PS3

Lol, by how much? Do we need to draw out a scale of relevance of multiplatform games or something? In the end, the game is multiplatform.

[QUOTE="a_simple_gamer"]

[QUOTE="argetlam00"]

1) You have never proven the 2 million number.

2) Its not an exclusive. Therefore as relevant as any other multiplatform game.

argetlam00

At least you would like it to be that way, but it is not

Mass Effect 2 is only on PC/360, so far more relevant than a multipltform that is also on PS3

Lol, by how much? Do we need to draw out a scale of relevance of multiplatform games or something? In the end, the game is multiplatform.

It is perfectly possible that a PC/360 game is far more important to 360 than a 360 only game

Until you actually prove otherwise, the multipltform term means nothing to me

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="argetlam00"]

1) You have never proven the 2 million number.

2) Its not an exclusive. Therefore as relevant as any other multiplatform game.

argetlam00

Yet you do not need a 360 to play the game.

[QUOTE="argetlam00"]

[QUOTE="a_simple_gamer"]

Lol, by how much? Do we need to draw out a scale of relevance of multiplatform games or something? In the end, the game is multiplatform.

a_simple_gamer

It is perfectly possible that a PC/360 game is far more important to 360 than a 360 only game

Until you actually prove otherwise, the multipltform term means nothing to me

A 360 only game is an exclusive, a 360/pc game is a multiplatforn. You can only play that 360 only game on 360. You don't need to even touch the 360 to play a multiplat.

.Wow What is this thread comparing? PS3 vs. 360 directly.Ravensmash

Yeah and their exclusives, of which Mass Effect 2 is not.

[QUOTE="a_simple_gamer"]

[QUOTE="argetlam00"]

It is perfectly possible that a PC/360 game is far more important to 360 than a 360 only game

Until you actually prove otherwise, the multipltform term means nothing to me

argetlam00

A 360 only game is an exclusive, a 360/pc game is a multiplatforn. You can only play that 360 only game on 360. You don't need to even touch the 360 to play a multiplat.

.Wow What is this thread comparing? PS3 vs. 360 directly.Ravensmash

Yeah and their exclusives, of which Mass Effect 2 is not.

In a PS3-360 comparisson, Mass Effect is definatly exlcusive to 360

[QUOTE="argetlam00"]

[QUOTE="a_simple_gamer"]

A 360 only game is an exclusive, a 360/pc game is a multiplatforn. You can only play that 360 only game on 360. You don't need to even touch the 360 to play a multiplat.

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"].Wow What is this thread comparing? PS3 vs. 360 directly.a_simple_gamer

Yeah and their exclusives, of which Mass Effect 2 is not.

In a PS3-360 comparisson, Mass Effect is definatly exlcusive to 360

*sigh*, believe what you want. I'm tired of arguing a blant fact.

[QUOTE="a_simple_gamer"]

[QUOTE="argetlam00"]

[QUOTE="a_simple_gamer"]

Lol, by how much? Do we need to draw out a scale of relevance of multiplatform games or something? In the end, the game is multiplatform.

argetlam00

It is perfectly possible that a PC/360 game is far more important to 360 than a 360 only game

Until you actually prove otherwise, the multipltform term means nothing to me

A 360 only game is an exclusive, a 360/pc game is a multiplatforn. You can only play that 360 only game on 360. You don't need to even touch the 360 to play a multiplat.

So, what does that mean ? Does not mean anything, since people still buy the 360 version and those games are every bit as important as exclusive ones

[QUOTE="argetlam00"]

[QUOTE="a_simple_gamer"]

A 360 only game is an exclusive, a 360/pc game is a multiplatforn. You can only play that 360 only game on 360. You don't need to even touch the 360 to play a multiplat.

a_simple_gamer

So, what does that mean ? Does not mean anything, since people still buy the 360 version and those games are every bit as important as exclusive ones

So multiplats sell, therefore a multiplat is exclusive? Thats your logic?

So, because ME2 is on the PC. It doesn't exist for the 360 in a DIRECT COMPARISON between two consoles? Wow, the more you know!Ravensmash

Exactly, because it isn't an exclusive title. You don't need a 360 to play Mass Effect 2

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="argetlam00"]

And yet the quality standard still changes throughout the generation does it not?

argetlam00

not to the degree you seem to be suggesting and only applying to 360 games.

How exactly is it not to the degree I am suggesting? Simply looking at PDZ then looking at a game like Rage shows how far we have come.

I'm only applying this to 360 games (one in particular) because I don't see how the same situation corresponds to the PS3 AAA exclusives. I asked you to name me one and you haven't. Every PS3 AAA exclusive provides a top quality experience that are hard to find, especially in another PS3 title. Can't think of a single game that is substandard.

[QUOTE="argetlam00"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

not to the degree you seem to be suggesting and only applying to 360 games.

93soccer

How exactly is it not to the degree I am suggesting? Simply looking at PDZ then looking at a game like Rage shows how far we have come.

I'm only applying this to 360 games (one in particular) because I don't see how the same situation corresponds to the PS3 AAA exclusives. I asked you to name me one and you haven't. Every PS3 AAA exclusive provides a top quality experience that are hard to find, especially in another PS3 title. Can't think of a single game that is substandard.

More like you showed me how I'm right. :lol: You just proved that they fully matter in 2010 and are competitive top quality titles. How is PDZ a competitive title in 2010?

[QUOTE="93soccer"][QUOTE="argetlam00"]

How exactly is it not to the degree I am suggesting? Simply looking at PDZ then looking at a game like Rage shows how far we have come.

I'm only applying this to 360 games (one in particular) because I don't see how the same situation corresponds to the PS3 AAA exclusives. I asked you to name me one and you haven't. Every PS3 AAA exclusive provides a top quality experience that are hard to find, especially in another PS3 title. Can't think of a single game that is substandard.

argetlam00

More like you showed me how I'm right. :lol: You just proved that they fully matter in 2010 and are competitive top quality titles. How is PDZ a competitive title in 2010?