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Poll Quantum Break, what is less ideal situation here, Xbox One or Windows Store UWP? (34 votes)

Xbox One 50%
Windows Store UWP 50%

The PC settings just got released for Quantum Break and it got me thinking, it got me thinking about this a bit with Gears of War: Ultimate Edition as well...

What's a worse situation here? Obviously the Xbox One version will be at a lower resolution, lower settings and lower frame rate, but how does that compare to UWP with no exclusive fullscreen, locked vsync, no overlays and no SLI or Crossfire support in terms of desirability?

As a PC gamer and console gamer my take on this is a bit more evaluated you could say, with the console version the above things are tentatively normal and expected more or less even if they're less than desirable. With the PC version though those problems are more of a rarity for the platform and as such I feel hold a bigger detriment/stigma to the game in relation to the PC platform.

Given the context of each platform, what's expected from them and the general experience you get respectively, what is the less ideal situation here?

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#51 lostrib
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@dynamitecop said:
@lostrib said:

...sooo why use an alt account?

I'm not, this is my actual account, I just finally recovered it, the other account was the "alt".

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@blueinheaven said:

There are a million ways to force full screen on PC. You wouldn't know about that, obviously. You would have to be full on insane to play this game on Xbox One when there is a PC alternative. Whatever man.... carry on digging that Xbox One goodness... you're not fooling anyone. You might want to ask yourself though at what point there may be more interesting and exciting things to do with your life than being a pointless internet troll.

Hey genius, you can't even access the .exe for the UWA, how exactly are you going to force exclusive fullscreen? There's no access to the game files...

Use your head....

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@dynamitecop said:
@waahahah said:
@dynamitecop said:

Oh is that a fact? Well I'll have Thief installed here in about 15 minutes, Crossfire does not work in windowed mode, I've been using it for years.

It is a fact, the support is in the mantle driver. The fact is the limitation is in the AMD driver for direct x... There's NO limitation because of the hardware setup.

https://community.amd.com/thread/180730

The performance hit with the window manager also won't make a shred of difference.

That's because of Mantle... That changes everything, that's a completely different API override...

Traditional video games which is everything except for that tiny little list, will not support Crossfire unless it's in exclusive fullscreen.

It doesn't change anything, the fact is the driver could support it. SLI supports it.

In single GPU mode between windowed/fullscreen there is no performance difference.

In SLI there might be a performance hit with borderless.

None of these are large issues though.

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@dynamitecop said:
@blueinheaven said:

There are a million ways to force full screen on PC. You wouldn't know about that, obviously. You would have to be full on insane to play this game on Xbox One when there is a PC alternative. Whatever man.... carry on digging that Xbox One goodness... you're not fooling anyone. You might want to ask yourself though at what point there may be more interesting and exciting things to do with your life than being a pointless internet troll.

Hey genius, you can't even access the .exe for the UWA, how exactly are you going to force exclusive fullscreen? There's no access to the game files...

Use your head....

The exe loads the game. It doesn't matter if you loaded it or not, it's there. Once it's on your screen well... use your head?

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@Pedro said:
@dynamitecop said:

It's most definitely not false, the hardware can't take exclusive control of the render, performance suffers for this. It doesn't matter, SLI and Crossfire are still a large part of the graphics market even if they're a sub-sect. As a rule of thumb the chances are you're going to get some sort of input change for the worst with v-sync enabled.

I am guessing you mean the software cannot take exclusive control of the hardware? I am not aware of software taking exclusive control of the hardware. Such an implementation would be poor design because software should never take exclusive control with a capable OS. How much of a performance loss are talking about here if there is a performance loss?

It does matter. Implementing support for a dying technology is a waste of time and money.

Input lag is always there. It has not been to the detriment of console games which has routinely enable it and it would not be to the detriment of the this game. All of these problems are grotesquely overstated and an absolute minor minority are the ones claiming that these "issues" are crippling.

Exclsusive mode takes control of the output. If you run in a window, the output has to be sent to the composition manager. There is additional overhead... but not much.

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@dynamitecop said:
@lostrib said:

...sooo why use an alt account?

I'm not, this is my actual account, I just finally recovered it, the other account was the "alt".

Well whoever you are, just shut up and play QB when it's release. Xbox One, windows 10, just play the freaking game whatever platform, just have fun. Plain and Simple.

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@dynamitecop said:
@Zero_epyon said:
@dynamitecop said:
@lostrib said:

I don't know. Can you make a video with Ms paint drawings about it? That might help me understand

Are you really trying to fault me for breaking down something into even further rudimentary terms for people failing to understand it?

NyaDC

Can I help you?

See that wasn't so hard. Why'd you create a new account?

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#59 Mr_Huggles_dog
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@dynamitecop: didn't you deny being Nyadc a few days ago?

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@waahahah said:
@dynamitecop said:
@waahahah said:
@dynamitecop said:

Oh is that a fact? Well I'll have Thief installed here in about 15 minutes, Crossfire does not work in windowed mode, I've been using it for years.

It is a fact, the support is in the mantle driver. The fact is the limitation is in the AMD driver for direct x... There's NO limitation because of the hardware setup.

https://community.amd.com/thread/180730

The performance hit with the window manager also won't make a shred of difference.

That's because of Mantle... That changes everything, that's a completely different API override...

Traditional video games which is everything except for that tiny little list, will not support Crossfire unless it's in exclusive fullscreen.

It doesn't change anything, the fact is the driver could support it. SLI supports it.

In single GPU mode between windowed/fullscreen there is no performance difference.

In SLI there might be a performance hit with borderless.

None of these are large issues though.

SLI is a completely different technology than Crossfire running on completely different hardware with completely different architecture, it's not a driver issue, if it were that rudimentary AMD would have changed it long ago.

The cards simply require exclusive control from the API, something Mantle does even in windowed mode because it overrides DirectX as its own API so the game can communicate directly with the graphics hardware with no need for a middleman API (DirectX).

@blueinheaven said:
@dynamitecop said:
@blueinheaven said:

There are a million ways to force full screen on PC. You wouldn't know about that, obviously. You would have to be full on insane to play this game on Xbox One when there is a PC alternative. Whatever man.... carry on digging that Xbox One goodness... you're not fooling anyone. You might want to ask yourself though at what point there may be more interesting and exciting things to do with your life than being a pointless internet troll.

Hey genius, you can't even access the .exe for the UWA, how exactly are you going to force exclusive fullscreen? There's no access to the game files...

Use your head....

The exe loads the game. It doesn't matter if you loaded it or not, it's there. Once it's on your screen well... use your head?

What? You have no access to the .exe or any other part of the game file system, to use a program which allows you to force fullscreen you need access to the .exe...

You have none... Do you even own a computer?

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#61 dynamitecop
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@Zero_epyon said:

See that wasn't so hard. Why'd you create a new account?

I didn't, I just got mine back.

@mr_huggles_dog said:

@dynamitecop: didn't you deny being Nyadc a few days ago?

No.

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@PurpleMan5000: so you do have a decision to make:

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#63 Zero_epyon
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@dynamitecop said:
@Zero_epyon said:

See that wasn't so hard. Why'd you create a new account?

I didn't, I just got mine back.

@mr_huggles_dog said:

@dynamitecop: didn't you deny being Nyadc a few days ago?

No.

So why didn't you just say you were when people were calling you out?

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@Zero_epyon said:

So why didn't you just say you were when people were calling you out?

Because who I am or am not does not matter.

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#65 lostrib
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so now TC is damage controlling his own alt account?

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#66 Mr_Huggles_dog
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@dynamitecop: everyone has a history. You have yours, I have mine, lostrib was born in a laboratory......it does matter somewhat bc ppl have history with you.

Only if you're embarrassed with how you've acted would you be running from it.

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#67  Edited By dynamitecop
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@mr_huggles_dog said:

@dynamitecop: everyone has a history. You have yours, I have mine, lostrib was born in a laboratory......it does matter somewhat bc ppl have history with you.

Only if you're embarrassed with how you've acted would you be running from it.

Just because I recover my account doesn't mean I need to announce my presence. I didn't hide from anything, I didn't run from anything, I just simply ignored inquiries as it served no purpose to discussions, it served to detract from them, just as is happening now.

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@dynamitecop said:
@waahahah said:
@dynamitecop said:
@waahahah said:

It is a fact, the support is in the mantle driver. The fact is the limitation is in the AMD driver for direct x... There's NO limitation because of the hardware setup.

https://community.amd.com/thread/180730

The performance hit with the window manager also won't make a shred of difference.

That's because of Mantle... That changes everything, that's a completely different API override...

Traditional video games which is everything except for that tiny little list, will not support Crossfire unless it's in exclusive fullscreen.

It doesn't change anything, the fact is the driver could support it. SLI supports it.

In single GPU mode between windowed/fullscreen there is no performance difference.

In SLI there might be a performance hit with borderless.

None of these are large issues though.

SLI is a completely different technology than Crossfire running on completely different hardware with completely different architecture, it's not a driver issue, if it were that rudimentary AMD would have changed it long ago.

The cards simply require exclusive control from the API, something Mantle does even in windowed mode because it overrides DirectX as its own API so the game can communicate directly with the graphics hardware with no need for a middleman API (DirectX).

SLI implements DX12 support, Crossfire would implement DX12 support, its explicitly a dx12 support issue.

Mantle doesn't not run in exclusive mode, you don't seem to understand what that means. Windowed mode means going through the windows compositor, the mantle driver will not change this, otherwise windowed mode wouldn't work. The actual rendering isn't really affected by exclusive mode just who gets control over to the output.

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From GDC 2016....

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@dynamitecop said:
@Zero_epyon said:

So why didn't you just say you were when people were calling you out?

Because who I am or am not does not matter.

Whatever you say Nya..

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@mr_huggles_dog said:

@dynamitecop: everyone has a history. You have yours, I have mine, lostrib was born in a laboratory......it does matter somewhat bc ppl have history with you.

Only if you're embarrassed with how you've acted would you be running from it.

Essentially this. I mean seriously, no shame.

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@dynamitecop said:
@mr_huggles_dog said:

@dynamitecop: everyone has a history. You have yours, I have mine, lostrib was born in a laboratory......it does matter somewhat bc ppl have history with you.

Only if you're embarrassed with how you've acted would you be running from it.

Just because I recover my account doesn't mean I need to announce my presence. I didn't hide from anything, I didn't run from anything, I just simply ignored inquiries as it served no purpose to discussions, it served to detract from them, just as is happening now.

so when can we expect you to "recover" another account?

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@Zero_epyon said:
@mr_huggles_dog said:

@dynamitecop: everyone has a history. You have yours, I have mine, lostrib was born in a laboratory......it does matter somewhat bc ppl have history with you.

Only if you're embarrassed with how you've acted would you be running from it.

Essentially this. I mean seriously, no shame.

@Zero_epyon said:
@dynamitecop said:
@Zero_epyon said:

So why didn't you just say you were when people were calling you out?

Because who I am or am not does not matter.

Whatever you say Nya..

Didn't Nya go pretty hard after @naughtyottsel for being "davem"? Seemed pretty important then who someone was or was not. Got so bad they had to be warned off by Chaz

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@lostrib said:

Didn't Nya go pretty hard after @naughtyottsel for being "davem"? Seemed pretty important then who someone was or was not. Got so bad they had to be warned off by Chaz

I had the other account banned so I could take over on my recovered account.

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@dynamitecop said:
@lostrib said:

Didn't Nya go pretty hard after @naughtyottsel for being "davem"? Seemed pretty important then who someone was or was not. Got so bad they had to be warned off by Chaz

I had other account banned so I could take over on my recovered account.

I don't see how that's relevant to what I said, but weren't you just using that account a few days ago?

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if you preorder the xbox one version you get a free copy of the windows version so you dont have to choose.

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#77 dynamitecop
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@lostrib said:
@dynamitecop said:
@lostrib said:

Didn't Nya go pretty hard after @naughtyottsel for being "davem"? Seemed pretty important then who someone was or was not. Got so bad they had to be warned off by Chaz

I had other account banned so I could take over on my recovered account.

I don't see how that's relevant to what I said, but weren't you just using that account a few days ago?

It takes a few days to get responses sometimes.

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#78  Edited By remiks00
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@lostrib said:

These alts are getting out of hand

Yeah bro, it's kinda getting annoying now. We already have to deal with the usual clowns...., now we're managing a full circus.

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#79 lostrib
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@dynamitecop said:
@lostrib said:
@dynamitecop said:
@lostrib said:

Didn't Nya go pretty hard after @naughtyottsel for being "davem"? Seemed pretty important then who someone was or was not. Got so bad they had to be warned off by Chaz

I had other account banned so I could take over on my recovered account.

I don't see how that's relevant to what I said, but weren't you just using that account a few days ago?

It takes a few days to get responses sometimes.

pretty sure you've been around for than a few days

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@lostrib said:

I don't know. Can you make a video with Ms paint drawings about it? That might help me understand

Hahahahaaaaaaaaa....

He try to pass that video to me you got to give it to the little lemm,either he is a true MS shill or he really love the xbox one to the point were he would even make examples of what he thinks is the situation just to help the xbox one case,this is over blackace level of lemming.

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@dynamitecop:

@dynamitecop said:
@Pedro said:

Borderless window looks identical to fullscreen and has more of an advantage to someone who has dual screen. I don't know why people are bitching about this. Locked vsync is not an issue for me. I don't use overlays and I have no use for SLI and Crossfire support. Both technologies are going to be phased out with Directx 12. At the moment the loudest minority complain about these things and the not the average gamer.

Borderless window doesn't allow an application to take priority so it will naturally have worse performance, also Crossfire is unable to operate if an application is not in exclusive fullscreen. In terms of vsync, that's simple it can introduce a lot of input lag for your controls, it also sacrifices performance as well to sync the image.

this is false with UWP.

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@spitfire-six said:

@dynamitecop:

@dynamitecop said:
@Pedro said:

Borderless window looks identical to fullscreen and has more of an advantage to someone who has dual screen. I don't know why people are bitching about this. Locked vsync is not an issue for me. I don't use overlays and I have no use for SLI and Crossfire support. Both technologies are going to be phased out with Directx 12. At the moment the loudest minority complain about these things and the not the average gamer.

Borderless window doesn't allow an application to take priority so it will naturally have worse performance, also Crossfire is unable to operate if an application is not in exclusive fullscreen. In terms of vsync, that's simple it can introduce a lot of input lag for your controls, it also sacrifices performance as well to sync the image.

this is false with UWP.

How?

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@dynamitecop said:
@spitfire-six said:

@dynamitecop:

@dynamitecop said:
@Pedro said:

Borderless window looks identical to fullscreen and has more of an advantage to someone who has dual screen. I don't know why people are bitching about this. Locked vsync is not an issue for me. I don't use overlays and I have no use for SLI and Crossfire support. Both technologies are going to be phased out with Directx 12. At the moment the loudest minority complain about these things and the not the average gamer.

Borderless window doesn't allow an application to take priority so it will naturally have worse performance, also Crossfire is unable to operate if an application is not in exclusive fullscreen. In terms of vsync, that's simple it can introduce a lot of input lag for your controls, it also sacrifices performance as well to sync the image.

this is false with UWP.

How?

The way UWP allocates your resources for the app that is it going to run is different. They should cover this in detail at //build. If they do not i will send you details later. The benefit of UWP is to provide a consistent gaming experience regardless of what other processes are running on your machine, and they accomplish this at start up of the application through a set of settings.

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On an unrelated note are MS/Remedy doing their job to market the heck out of this game? Because I don't want this game to flop in sales like Alan Wake did...

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#85 Tessellation
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if you got both,i did pick the pc version..but if you have just one system then stick to either pc or xbox one version.

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#86 kvally
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@naughtyottsel said:

Here's a great solution since both versions are shit,

How long did it take you to complete the campaign, and how did you get it early?

BTW, to the OP, get the Xbox version, since the Windows version is free with it.

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#87  Edited By lostrib
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@kvally said:
@naughtyottsel said:

Here's a great solution since both versions are shit,

How long did it take you to complete the campaign, and how did you get it early?

BTW, to the OP, get the Xbox version, since the Windows version is free with it.

just a note, only preorders of the digital X1 version come with a PC version

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#88  Edited By kvally
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@lostrib said:
@kvally said:
@naughtyottsel said:

Here's a great solution since both versions are shit,

How long did it take you to complete the campaign, and how did you get it early?

BTW, to the OP, get the Xbox version, since the Windows version is free with it.

just a note, only preorders of the digital X1 version come with a PC version

Yup. If you pre-order the digital version through retailers like Amazon, Best Buy, Microsoft Store or Xbox Store. If you buy the Quantum Break Xbox bundle, you also get the Windows 10 version free as well. All versions include Alan Wake, Alan Wake American Nightmare and Alan Wake DLC.

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i choose neither

no steam/origin/GOG=no buy

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@kvally said:
@naughtyottsel said:

Here's a great solution since both versions are shit,

How long did it take you to complete the campaign, and how did you get it early?

BTW, to the OP, get the Xbox version, since the Windows version is free with it.

I used common sense, since Remedy have never made a decent game.

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@naughtyottsel said:
@kvally said:
@naughtyottsel said:

Here's a great solution since both versions are shit,

How long did it take you to complete the campaign, and how did you get it early?

BTW, to the OP, get the Xbox version, since the Windows version is free with it.

I used common sense, since Remedy have never made a decent game.

http://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-360/alan-wake

Seeing how Alan Wake which is Remedy's last game has an 81 user review average, a lot of people will disagree with your opinion and think your taste in games is shit.....

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I'm used to consoles offering a closed off experience with lower resolution and framerate than PC games.

But for PC, which is an open platform, I kinda expect more.

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#94  Edited By R4gn4r0k
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@ShepardCommandr said:

i choose neither

no steam/origin/GOG=no buy

First time I hear somebody say no origin no buy :D

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@BigShotSmoov007 said:
@naughtyottsel said:
@kvally said:
@naughtyottsel said:

Here's a great solution since both versions are shit,

How long did it take you to complete the campaign, and how did you get it early?

BTW, to the OP, get the Xbox version, since the Windows version is free with it.

I used common sense, since Remedy have never made a decent game.

http://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-360/alan-wake

Seeing how Alan Wake which is Remedy's last game has an 81 user review average, a lot of people will disagree with your opinion and think your taste in games is shit.....

What can I say, Xbox fans have shit taste.

Explains how Fable, Halo and Gears lasted more than 1 game.

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#96  Edited By deactivated-58abb194ab6fb
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@naughtyottsel said:
@BigShotSmoov007 said:
@naughtyottsel said:
@kvally said:

How long did it take you to complete the campaign, and how did you get it early?

BTW, to the OP, get the Xbox version, since the Windows version is free with it.

I used common sense, since Remedy have never made a decent game.

http://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-360/alan-wake

Seeing how Alan Wake which is Remedy's last game has an 81 user review average, a lot of people will disagree with your opinion and think your taste in games is shit.....

What can I say, Xbox fans have shit taste.

Explains how Fable, Halo and Gears lasted more than 1 game.

Riiiiight!!!! And you claimed to be one and have a X1.

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@BigShotSmoov007 said:
@naughtyottsel said:
@BigShotSmoov007 said:
@naughtyottsel said:
@kvally said:

How long did it take you to complete the campaign, and how did you get it early?

BTW, to the OP, get the Xbox version, since the Windows version is free with it.

I used common sense, since Remedy have never made a decent game.

http://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-360/alan-wake

Seeing how Alan Wake which is Remedy's last game has an 81 user review average, a lot of people will disagree with your opinion and think your taste in games is shit.....

What can I say, Xbox fans have shit taste.

Explains how Fable, Halo and Gears lasted more than 1 game.

Riiiiight!!!! And you claimed to be one and have a X1.

Lol since when have I claimed to be an Xbox fan?

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@naughtyottsel said:
@kvally said:
@naughtyottsel said:

Here's a great solution since both versions are shit,

How long did it take you to complete the campaign, and how did you get it early?

BTW, to the OP, get the Xbox version, since the Windows version is free with it.

I used common sense, since Remedy have never made a decent game.

As far as mainstream games are concerned, Remedy has only ever made good games.

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@naughtyottsel said:
@BigShotSmoov007 said:
@naughtyottsel said:
@BigShotSmoov007 said:
@naughtyottsel said:

I used common sense, since Remedy have never made a decent game.

http://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-360/alan-wake

Seeing how Alan Wake which is Remedy's last game has an 81 user review average, a lot of people will disagree with your opinion and think your taste in games is shit.....

What can I say, Xbox fans have shit taste.

Explains how Fable, Halo and Gears lasted more than 1 game.

Riiiiight!!!! And you claimed to be one and have a X1.

Lol since when have I claimed to be an Xbox fan?

You've claimed before how you was a fan of the 360 and Remedy's last game was on the 360 and if you're not a fan of the Xbox, why did you buy an X1?

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@dynamitecop said:
@naughtyottsel said:
@kvally said:
@naughtyottsel said:

Here's a great solution since both versions are shit,

How long did it take you to complete the campaign, and how did you get it early?

BTW, to the OP, get the Xbox version, since the Windows version is free with it.

I used common sense, since Remedy have never made a decent game.

As far as mainstream games are concerned, Remedy has only ever made good games.

People have been wrong before.