Question why does it seem like reviewer's go easier on bioware then square-enix?

sure square makes some pretty medicore spinoff sometimes an some very nice games sometimes

but they made a epic game called kingdom hearts 2 that was superior to the first one in everyway an in some ways rebuilt

yet it got 8.5'd over its predesccor which was a 9 plus on ign

i feel like ign/gamespot feel like they can downrate square games more then bioware cuz its a japanese styledrpg

i dunni just feels like ppl r alot harder on square an even blizzard's game world of warcraft should have gotten a 10 or close to it since it was the best rpg ever made again ppl r very hard on blizz/square enix but when it comes to bioware hey i played kotor on the pc i know for a fact that piece of thing shouldn't have been my goty or even close it or been rated higher then half the games i listed

now plz dont take offense to this all im sayin is review sites seem to give bioware a free ride on the rating train an make blizzard/square earn there points much harder imo same with bethesda some of there games lik e oblivion an marrowind get 9.5's i mean have they even played world of warcraft holy crap man oblvion is about 1/100 the size of wow an plays worse in everyway an got rated lower rediculous

ive played so many better rpg's and star wars games that gave me so much more fun then kotor1/2 i couldn't count them all on my fingers an that keep bringin me bak for more yet it gets goty an 9.9'd an all this stuff

maby the games are just better..

OMG REALLY ???!

yes .. square hasnt made a good game in YEARS

hey another protoss rush crying thread!

maybe it has to do with the fact that your making it all up in your head?

Final Fantasy is up to game 13. Dragon Quest is up to game 10 or something. In both cases, the series hasn't always changed enough to warrant people continuously buying them. I used to love DQ and couldn't even play the last PS2 title because I was so bored with it. Why isn't SE making a FF tactics for a MODERN console, instead of continuously producing the PS1 graphics version of the game. People LOVE tactics and they insist on keeping it with poor graphics on handhelds.

If you are going to push your series into numerous sequals and spin offs, you need to give people more and more reasons with each game to dish out the cash.

Bioware, on the other hand, doesn't have any series that has so many sequals.

Why do you even bother posting?darkslider99

I'm going to go with Western Bias for $100, Alex.Zhengi

A Japanese game is the top game at gamerankings. Stop whining.

[QUOTE="darkslider99"]Why do you even bother posting?ProtossRushX

so..your mad because a game that came out last gen got a lower score than a game from this gen...:|

[QUOTE="darkslider99"]Why do you even bother posting?ProtossRushX

Would you come to think for a second that maybe just maybe there's a possibility that ME is probably better than KH2??

[QUOTE="Zhengi"]I'm going to go with Western Bias for $100, Alex.CJL13

A Japanese game is the top game at gamerankings. Stop whining.

notice i didnt mention nintendo in my thread at all cuz they seem to be bias for givin nintendo great scoresi shoulda thrown them in there too

zelda tp is good but come on quality wise it does not come close to the amount of game kingdom hearts 2 had put into it im not even going to get into this

[QUOTE="darkslider99"]Why do you even bother posting?ProtossRushX

I'm going to go with Western Bias for $100, Alex.Zhengi

Yes, which is why a NINTENDO game is at the top of the GR list. :roll:

maby the games are just better..

OMG REALLY ???!

yes .. square hasnt made a good game in YEARS

white45e

[QUOTE="Zhengi"]I'm going to go with Western Bias for $100, Alex.CJL13

A Japanese game is the top game at gamerankings. Stop whining.

So gamerankings count now? What the heck? Will you people make up your minds?

Besides, isn't this thread about Bioware and Square Enix? I don't see an SE game in the top 10 of GameRankings. In fact, stretch it out to the top 100 games and the first SE game is at 67 (Final Fantasy IX).

[QUOTE="CJL13"]

[QUOTE="Zhengi"]I'm going to go with Western Bias for $100, Alex.ProtossRushX

A Japanese game is the top game at gamerankings. Stop whining.

notice i didnt mention nintendo in my thread at all cuz they seem to be bias for givin nintendo great scoresi shoulda thrown them in there too

zelda tp is good but come on quality wise it does not come close to the amount of game kingdom hearts 2 had put into it im not even going to get into this

http://www.gamerankings.com/itemrankings/simpleratings.asp?rankings=y

Namco and Capcom are there too.

[QUOTE="white45e"]

maby the games are just better..

OMG REALLY ???!

yes .. square hasnt made a good game in YEARS

haris12121212

doesnt mean it was a good game..

the combat was extremly boring and the characters and story were just medicore

[QUOTE="haris12121212"][QUOTE="white45e"]

maby the games are just better..

OMG REALLY ???!

yes .. square hasnt made a good game in YEARS

white45e

doesnt mean it was a good game..

the combat was extremly boring and the characters and story were just medicore

maby the games are just better..

OMG REALLY ???!

yes .. square hasnt made a good game in YEARS

white45e

You must be on penut butter

I was going to make a post about how wrong you were about this, a post involving the subject of mixing up personal opinion with fact, and pointing out that you haven't played Mass Effect (or, judging by your history, any recent Bioware game) and as a result, can't judge its quality.

Then I remembered this post in your "Paper Mario Sucks" thread.

GET OUT GETTOUTA MY RTHREAD UNLESS UR GONNA AGREE WITH MEProtossRushX

So I guess I shouldn't be posting.

I was going to make a post about how wrong you were about this, a post involving the subject of mixing up personal opinion with fact, and pointing out that you haven't played Mass Effect (or, judging by your history, any recent Bioware game) and as a result, can't judge its quality.

Then I remembered this post in your "Paper Mario Sucks" thread.

[QUOTE="ProtossRushX"]GET OUT GETTOUTA MY RTHREAD UNLESS UR GONNA AGREE WITH MEsonicmj1

So I guess I shouldn't be posting.

KH2 was better than KH1. Yes, that's right.

Standards change though, and 8.5 when KH2 came out is better than a 9 when KH came out. KH2 just didn't evolve as much as the standards, whereas Mass Effect did.
OlDirtyMiyamoto

then how did twilight princess get triple A everywhere when the game had been finished for a year for the cube an had to be configured to work with a wii mote for a long time an then it got such a good score when the game was super old an from last gen

kingdom hearts was finihsed up an ready to go an went out on time an yet nintendo games that are held back for years an timed out perfectly for sales quota's are praised with 9's an 10's cuz of the word nintendo zelda or mario

[QUOTE="OlDirtyMiyamoto"]KH2 was better than KH1. Yes, that's right.

Standards change though, and 8.5 when KH2 came out is better than a 9 when KH came out. KH2 just didn't evolve as much as the standards, whereas Mass Effect did.
ProtossRushX

then how did twilight princess get triple A everywhere when the game had been finished for a year for the cube an had to be configured to work with a wii mote for a long time an then it got such a good score when the game was super old an from last gen

kingdom hearts was finihsed up an ready to go an went out on time an yet nintendo games that are held back for years an timed out perfectly for sales quota's are praised with 9's an 10's cuz of the word nintendo zelda or mario

Squre-Enix = East, different views, different games

BioWare = West, different views, differet games

Reviwer = Located in the West...so he'll understand a western game better...and give it a better score.

Squre-Enix = East, different views, different games

BioWare = West, different views, differet games

Reviwer = Located in the West...so he'll understand a western game better...and give it a better score.

Personally, I think it's because JRPGs are a stagnant, cliche-driven genre that was never all that great in the first place (but at least used to be newer than it is now, and didn't have FMVs). Western reviewers, shockingly, like innovation, good gameplay, and depth in their games.OremLK

Personally, I think it's because JRPGs are a stagnant, cliche-driven genre that was never all that great in the first place (but at least used to be newer than it is now, and didn't have FMVs). Western reviewers, shockingly, like innovation, good gameplay, and depth in their games.OremLK

wait how was kingdom hearts stale compared to fable though im just not seeing it, fable had less everythin then KH an wow just everythin was done with much bigger production values in the KH series with combination with disney somethin that had never been done b4

meanwhile stuff like oblivion directly copies morrowind an mass effect look like a complete rehash of kotor without the starwars franchise to ride on yet u call the jrpg stale that usually mixes everythin up ff12 was nothin like any other ff game b4 it combat wise an square pissed off alot of there fans but hey it still was new an fresh unlike oblvivion

[QUOTE="OremLK"]Personally, I think it's because JRPGs are a stagnant, cliche-driven genre that was never all that great in the first place (but at least used to be newer than it is now, and didn't have FMVs). Western reviewers, shockingly, like innovation, good gameplay, and depth in their games.haris12121212

That's exactly what I'm saying. Oh, sure, maybe they innovate slightly within their genre, but they almost never do anything that drastically changes the way the game is played to anyone but the most hardcore (and probably teenaged) JRPG fanatic.

[QUOTE="OremLK"]Personally, I think it's because JRPGs are a stagnant, cliche-driven genre that was never all that great in the first place (but at least used to be newer than it is now, and didn't have FMVs). Western reviewers, shockingly, like innovation, good gameplay, and depth in their games.ProtossRushX

wait how was kingdom hearts stale compared to fable though im just not seeing it, fable had less everythin then KH an wow just everythin was done with much bigger production values in the KH series with combination with disney somethin that had never been done b4

meanwhile stuff like oblivion directly copies morrowind an mass effect look like a complete rehash of kotor without the starwars franchise to ride on yet u call the jrpg stale that usually mixes everythin up ff12 was nothin like any other ff game b4 it combat wise an square pissed off alot of there fans but hey it still was new an fresh unlike oblvivion

Kingdom Hearts isn't stale because of Fable, it's stale because every other JRPG ever made shares too many characteristics and cliches with it. And by the way, Fable isn't exactly considered a great icon of Western RPGs (although, as an action/adventure/RPG hybird, it's definitely more original than most JRPGs)--Oblivion isn't either.

Mass Effect isn't anywhere close to being a rehash of KotOR; the gameplay is radically different. I'll grant you that Oblivion is similar to Morrowind, but I don't think Oblivion is a very good WRPG anyway (it's merely "okay").

Furthermore, I find it hilarious when FF players get all up in arms about a change in the way combat is handled--every such change is so minor in comparison to the differences in how combat plays out in various WRPGs (following the BioWare example, combat is radically and completely different between KotOR, Jade Empire, and Mass Effect) that it's a wonder they can even tell the difference.

[QUOTE="haris12121212"][QUOTE="OremLK"]Personally, I think it's because JRPGs are a stagnant, cliche-driven genre that was never all that great in the first place (but at least used to be newer than it is now, and didn't have FMVs). Western reviewers, shockingly, like innovation, good gameplay, and depth in their games.OremLK

That's exactly what I'm saying. Oh, sure, maybe they innovate slightly within their genre, but they almost never do anything that drastically changes the way the game is played to anyone but the most hardcore (and probably teenaged) JRPG fanatic.

I'll just say you are wrong. I can name many things that FF innovated from 7 to 12. But I won't bother I already explained this in my discussion vs. Vandal on jrpg and wrpg so I won't bother retyping everything, I'll just tell you that there is many innovation in FF games.

How can they be culturally biased towards Western games if you admit they underrated both Square AND Blizzard games.

And KOTOR was one of the best Star Wars and WRPGs in a long, long time. It deserved GOTY.

You also failed to mention reviewers aren't always nice to Bioware. You say Kingdom Hearts 2 was rated lower on GS than IGN. Well IGN gave Jade Empire 9.9, and GS gave it 8.4.

Nobody is treating Bioware any differently.

The problem with squareenix games is that they deliberately make them frustrating. Examples:

To get ultimate Weapons in FF X

To get rare loot in FF XII

This isn't FUN. It's just long, and annoying. I hope the SE makes their games more accessible. Not easy, I love challenge, but grinding just isn't fun.

[QUOTE="CJL13"]

[QUOTE="Zhengi"]I'm going to go with Western Bias for $100, Alex.ProtossRushX

A Japanese game is the top game at gamerankings. Stop whining.

notice i didnt mention nintendo in my thread at all cuz they seem to be bias for givin nintendo great scoresi shoulda thrown them in there too

zelda tp is good but come on quality wise it does not come close to the amount of game kingdom hearts 2 had put into it im not even going to get into this

[QUOTE="sonicmj1"]

I was going to make a post about how wrong you were about this, a post involving the subject of mixing up personal opinion with fact, and pointing out that you haven't played Mass Effect (or, judging by your history, any recent Bioware game) and as a result, can't judge its quality.

Then I remembered this post in your "Paper Mario Sucks" thread.

[QUOTE="ProtossRushX"]GET OUT GETTOUTA MY RTHREAD UNLESS UR GONNA AGREE WITH MEdarkslider99

So I guess I shouldn't be posting.

Final Fantasy is up to game 13. Dragon Quest is up to game 10 or something. In both cases, the series hasn't always changed enough to warrant people continuously buying them. I used to love DQ and couldn't even play the last PS2 title because I was so bored with it. Why isn't SE making a FF tactics for a MODERN console, instead of continuously producing the PS1 graphics version of the game. People LOVE tactics and they insist on keeping it with poor graphics on handhelds.

If you are going to push your series into numerous sequals and spin offs, you need to give people more and more reasons with each game to dish out the cash.

Bioware, on the other hand, doesn't have any series that has so many sequals.

ZIMdoom

on the contrary, Mass Effect is more like KOTOR than Final Fantasy (Y) is like Final Fantasy (Y-1)

That's an easy question, they make better games.

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