Quick question about Forza3 on multiple discs

[QUOTE="Ragashahs"]

wait so they basically your given a lot of tracks and cars thats you payed for on the second disc and they just lable it "extra content" in order to get around the promise from MS that no game will require an HDD to play?

freakbabyblues

1.Please correct me if I'm mistaken(or if my argument is irrelevant), but does the Digital Copy for movies affect the price? What about movies that come with bonus disks? TheFFXII demothat comes withFF7ACC?If the answer is no, then I'm guessing that FM3's second disk is a freebie that was thrown in for those who want it and have an HDD.

2.The extra content is unnecessary nonetheless and you can play the game without it. As far as this game is concerned, their promise is still intact.

2. true you don't need it but again in your movie analogy if you paid for this extra content should you not expect to be able to use it reguarless if you have an HDD? This isn't like DLC where you know going in that you have to have an HDD and you right now you have no choice. What MS and turn 10 should do is release a standard version of the game for 50 bucks considering for people that can't use this "bonus content" and therefore don't have to pay for it

I promise when i play forza 3 and GT5 i will use every car and race on every track....not really though its a nice thought in reality all those cars are useless to have in their most wont get used people will use the best cars they can.

[QUOTE="freakbabyblues"]

[QUOTE="Ragashahs"]

wait so they basically your given a lot of tracks and cars thats you payed for on the second disc and they just lable it "extra content" in order to get around the promise from MS that no game will require an HDD to play?

Ragashahs

1.Please correct me if I'm mistaken(or if my argument is irrelevant), but does the Digital Copy for movies affect the price? What about movies that come with bonus disks? TheFFXII demothat comes withFF7ACC?If the answer is no, then I'm guessing that FM3's second disk is a freebie that was thrown in for those who want it and have an HDD.

2.The extra content is unnecessary nonetheless and you can play the game without it. As far as this game is concerned, their promise is still intact.

2. true you don't need it but again in your movie analogy if you paid for this extra content should you not expect to be able to use it reguarless if you have an HDD? This isn't like DLC where you know going in that you have to have an HDD and you right now you have no choice. What MS and turn 10 should do is release a standard version of the game for 50 bucks considering for people that can't use this "bonus content" and therefore don't have to pay for it

Well, I asked for a correction and I got one. There are other ways to justify this, but I'm not gonna bother.

[QUOTE="-Reggaeton-"][QUOTE="DonPerian"] No, the extra disc is just extra content. You put it into your Xbox 360 once, install the content, and then boot the game from the first disc. That is the only time you will ever use the second disc.DonPerian

I garantee the number of cars advertise will need the second disc and install. so if you want to play the game they advertising and selling YOU NEED TO INSTALL.

Microsoft dvd are getting dated..... and MS knows the arcade is a scam. You need Hard drive on the 360 and the price is a rip-off.

Ps3 is cheaper and way better value.

[QUOTE="yoshi_64"][QUOTE="-Reggaeton-"] Arcade user says hi!-Reggaeton-

Does this mean that during longer tracks (Nürburgring) that the game will pause mid-race and ask for a disc swap?

Jacumov

Does this mean that during longer tracks (Nürburgring) that the game will pause mid-race and ask for a disc swap?

Jacumov

[QUOTE="DonPerian"][QUOTE="Jacumov"]

Does this mean that during longer tracks (Nürburgring) that the game will pause mid-race and ask for a disc swap?

The_Game21x

[QUOTE="DonPerian"][QUOTE="-Reggaeton-"] Arcade user says hi!-Reggaeton-

Does this mean that during longer tracks (Nürburgring) that the game will pause mid-race and ask for a disc swap?

[QUOTE="-Reggaeton-"][QUOTE="DonPerian"][QUOTE="-Reggaeton-"] Arcade user says hi!aero250

[QUOTE="aero250"][QUOTE="-Reggaeton-"] Hello. I recommend you purchasing a Hard Drive for your Xbox 360 if you wish to access the additional, optional content for Forza 3. If not, I can comfort you by stating that you won't be required to insert the second disc into your Xbox 360 at all, thus making Forza 3 essentially a one-disc game for you.Mckenna1845

[QUOTE="DonPerian"][QUOTE="Jacumov"]

Does this mean that during longer tracks (Nürburgring) that the game will pause mid-race and ask for a disc swap?

The_Game21x

so basically we all need to have HDD's ? or the install will fit in a memory card? (luckily i got an HDD a few months ago :P)

[QUOTE="-Reggaeton-"][QUOTE="DonPerian"] No, the extra disc is just extra content. You put it into your Xbox 360 once, install the content, and then boot the game from the first disc. That is the only time you will ever use the second disc.Mckenna1845

so it would be fine with you getting a game not having an HDD and thus installing the required content and miss on some cars/tracks?? you pay a full priced game and dont get the most out of it??

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"]

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

Ugh. Navyguy21 was right, you're trying too hard.

Nitpick all you like, it doesn't change the fact that Forza 3 can be played without the installation of the second disc and that said installation is indeed optional.

The_Game21x

When I get Forza 3 I am gonna install everything it comes with. Why would I pay full price for a retail game and not utilize everything it comes with?

Yes it is optional, but it's not like that content on the 2nd disc will be insignificant. Seems important enough to me.

[QUOTE="Mckenna1845"][QUOTE="-Reggaeton-"] Arcade user says hi!Malta_1980

so it would be fine with you getting a game not having an HDD and thus installing the required content and miss on some cars/tracks?? you pay a full priced game and dont get the most out of it??

I really can"t believe people are dowbnplaying this. The difference is that a PS3 comes with a built in hard drive, so anything that needs to be installed can be installed on ANY PS3. Everyone can make use of installed content. Especially in a racing game where people in this forum like to scream and brag about many cars and tracks racing title has and you get the game shipped with all the tracks and cars... but you can't access it all because the version of the console you own didn't come with a HDD installed. I know it"s "just some cars and tracks" and it"s "optional for people who want it". People were going nuts for paying a small amount of money to unlock the multiplayer portion of RE5. But having to buy an HDD for something that gets shipped on an additional disc is not so bad? Hmm...Nightflash28

i'm not trying to downplay it, but people are making a bigger deal out of it then it is. do people moan about the dsi having exclusive games? what about people who don't pay for live only getting half of a game? or those with a 20gb ps3 which get's filled up from 4 game installs?

this is one game in 4 years that requires a optional install, it's not that big of a deal. if people really want all the content they can take up microsoft's offer of £12 deal or whatever it is for the hard drive. for those don't tough, like those who don't have live or dsi tough. this applies to all dlc, patches and updates.

i'm not saying it's right or i agree with it, but that's just the way it is.

WAIT

So what if you own a 360 arcade???

Im sorry but if your forced to install one of the disks then that is a load of s***...

I have an arcade but I know so many people who want forza 3 and have the arcade model, so what MS is now forcing customers to get hard drives???

I thought they were pro choice, I guess not...

[QUOTE="Nightflash28"] I really can"t believe people are dowbnplaying this. The difference is that a PS3 comes with a built in hard drive, so anything that needs to be installed can be installed on ANY PS3. Everyone can make use of installed content. Especially in a racing game where people in this forum like to scream and brag about many cars and tracks racing title has and you get the game shipped with all the tracks and cars... but you can't access it all because the version of the console you own didn't come with a HDD installed. I know it"s "just some cars and tracks" and it"s "optional for people who want it". People were going nuts for paying a small amount of money to unlock the multiplayer portion of RE5. But having to buy an HDD for something that gets shipped on an additional disc is not so bad? Hmm...Mckenna1845

i'm not trying to downplay it, but people are making a bigger deal out of it then it is. do people moan about the dsi having exclusive games? what about people who don't pay for live only getting half of a game? or those with a 20gb ps3 which get's filled up from 4 game installs?

this is one game in 4 years that requires a optional install, it's not that big of a deal. if people really want all the content they can take up microsoft's offer of £12 deal or whatever it is for the hard drive. for those don't tough, like those who don't have live or dsi tough. this applies to all dlc, patches and updates.

i'm not saying it's right or i agree with it, but that's just the way it is.

WAIT

So what if you own a 360 arcade???

Im sorry but if your forced to install one of the disks then that is a load of s***...

I have an arcade but I know so many people who want forza 3 and have the arcade model, so what MS is now forcing customers to get hard drives???

I thought they were pro choice, I guess not...

NinjaMunkey01

got a feeling that if more games start requiring multiple discs or else mandatory installations MS might wanna change their tacticwith the Arcade Modelcoming out with a 20GB HDD..

Itsfunny how MS talks about choices and sells the Arcade without an HDD but spends so much money on exclusive /timed exclusiveDLC for games which obviously requires an HDD.. I got an Arcade 360 but bought a 20GB HDD otherwise i couldnt enjoy the additional content / XBL games..

from what i heard the 3nd disc will be installed on hdd so you must have an xbox 360 with an hdd sothat you can boot and play with the first disc .

[QUOTE="NinjaMunkey01"]

WAIT

So what if you own a 360 arcade???

Im sorry but if your forced to install one of the disks then that is a load of s***...

I have an arcade but I know so many people who want forza 3 and have the arcade model, so what MS is now forcing customers to get hard drives???

I thought they were pro choice, I guess not...

Malta_1980

got a feeling that if more games start requiring multiple discs or else mandatory installations MS might wanna change their tactic and the Arcade Model start coming out with a 20GB HDD..

Itsfunny how MS talks about choices and sells the Arcade without an HDD but spends so much money on exclusive /timed exclusiveDLC for games which obviously requires an HDD.. I got an Arcade 360 but bought a 20GB HDD otherwise i couldnt enjoy the additional content / XBL games..

I dont understand why they ever sold any 360s without hard drives when downloadable content makes such a big part of gaming nowdays...

I mean honestly if theyre selling them in a deal for £12 like someone else said, its peobably cheaper than that to make. So Im wondering why they didnt just have a hard drive and make a little less money on each console? Becuase then there would be more people buying from XBL which would recouperate costs anyway.

Why is it so hard for people to comprehend the definition of "OPTIONAL"??? Just WOW!

Why is it so hard for people to comprehend the definition of "OPTIONAL"??? Just WOW!

whatisazerg

am being honest here, i really dont understand in this context the word 'Optional'.. if i dont install the game will i still get everything with just disc swapping were required ?? or will part of the content not be available? should i not have an HDD and install the required files?

Because if by disc swapping i'd still get everything (all content) from the game then its really NO BIG DEAL, however if i loose access to part of the game's content than its not OPTIONAL anymore but its MANDATORY to have an HDD in order to get everything from the game..

If its optional then why do you have to pay for it.

This is one of the stupidest threads I have ever seen.

I dont understand why they ever sold any 360s without hard drives when downloadable content makes such a big part of gaming nowdays...

I mean honestly if theyre selling them in a deal for £12 like someone else said, its peobably cheaper than that to make. So Im wondering why they didnt just have a hard drive and make a little less money on each console? Becuase then there would be more people buying from XBL which would recouperate costs anyway.

NinjaMunkey01

yeah that was a bad move, i'm not sure what the point is of not inluding a hard drive. they should have stuck with premium and elite all along.

i'm not sure about it being a sign of things to come, i think microsoft will see out the rest of the gen, with only this and maybe a couple more games requiring an install. in that case i think the dvd route was a much better move. if you use bluray then that's cool, but in my case i've used it once for a movie and that one movie however good (dark knight) doesn't outweigh the negatives of mandatory installs. the pretty much indestructable disc are awesome though.

If its optional then why do you have to pay for it.

JohnM1983

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"][QUOTE="DonPerian"] Who said you're required to install the extra content?Tobin09

why wouldn't you install something you paid for?

[QUOTE="NinjaMunkey01"]I dont understand why they ever sold any 360s without hard drives when downloadable content makes such a big part of gaming nowdays...

I mean honestly if theyre selling them in a deal for £12 like someone else said, its peobably cheaper than that to make. So Im wondering why they didnt just have a hard drive and make a little less money on each console? Becuase then there would be more people buying from XBL which would recouperate costs anyway.

yeah that was a bad move, i'm not sure what the point is of not inluding a hard drive. they should have stuck with premium and elite all along.

i'm not sure about it being a sign of things to come, i think microsoft will see out the rest of the gen, with only this and maybe a couple more games requiring an install. in that case i think the dvd route was a much better move. if you use bluray then that's cool, but in my case i've used it once for a movie and that one movie however good (dark knight) doesn't outweigh the negatives of mandatory installs. the pretty much indestructable disc are awesome though.

If its optional then why do you have to pay for it.

If its optional then why do you have to pay for it.

JohnM1983

The game by it self(no 2nd disk) Is propably worth 60$, atleast they did not make it day one DLC or a limited edition exclusive.

So then will reviewers take into consideration this "extra content" (BTW lol @ people who this is actually extra content and not just part of the main game labelled as extra content) when reviewing?


'Cause if it's optional, I don't think they should.

[QUOTE="JohnM1983"]

If its optional then why do you have to pay for it.

navyguy21

Maybe yes, they would be cheaper. Kojima Productions dedicated resources to make Metal Gear Online. It didn't come at 0 cost. There's no such thing as a free lunch, is there?

Maybe MS could do that stuff in a different way.

FM3 could be launched with the disc swap option instead of the mandatory install for the 2nd disc. Wouldn't that add to the "options"?

What if the "bonus" content reveals itself by being something you would expect to be included in the game (like, if you want to ride a Ferrari, you got to install the disc). That has happened before with DLC in other games.

So then will reviewers take into consideration this "extra content" (BTW lol @ people who this is actually extra content and not just part of the main game labelled as extra content) when reviewing?


'Cause if it's optional, I don't think they should.

STRETCH-E

Great question.

I don't get it when people support something that a company does that is not positive to the consumer...

Like lemmings defending MS upon the rrod issue... seems like the same thing again.

[QUOTE="Ragashahs"]

it hought MS stated that no game ever will require you to install on HDD?

DonPerian

:lol: @ fanboys making a stink over this. ah....predictable SW is predictable

As far as I know, F3 will still play fine without installing the 2nd disc. And besides, I doubt any "casual" gamer with an Arcade360 even knows what F3 is.

But hey, logic & reason have no place in SW :)

:lol: @ fanboys making a stink over this. ah....predictable SW is predictable

As far as I know, F3 will still play fine without installing the 2nd disc. And besides, I doubt any "casual" gamer with an Arcade360 even knows what F3 is.

But hey, logic & reason have no place in SW :)

LosDaddie

[QUOTE="STRETCH-E"]

So then will reviewers take into consideration this "extra content" (BTW lol @ people who this is actually extra content and not just part of the main game labelled as extra content) when reviewing?


'Cause if it's optional, I don't think they should.

SambaLele

Great question.

I don't get it when people support something that a company does that is not positive to the consumer...

Like lemmings defending MS upon the rrod issue... seems like the same thing again.

Not positive to the consumer?

Well, as long as we're spinning things, I could easily say that MS and Turn 10 are doing us a service by not stripping down Forza 3 because of the lack of disc space or keeping content from the game to sell as post release DLC.

And seriously, this issue is nowhere near as bad (I don't even see it as being bad because I'll be installing the whole game plus the second disc on my 120GB HDD anyway) as the RROD. It's not even comparable.

[QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

:lol: @ fanboys making a stink over this. ah....predictable SW is predictable

As far as I know, F3 will still play fine without installing the 2nd disc. And besides, I doubt any "casual" gamer with an Arcade360 even knows what F3 is.

But hey, logic & reason have no place in SW :)

Odrec

Did you have point other than to spew hyperbole?

As far as I know, F3 will still play fine without installing the 2nd disc. And besides, I doubt any "casual" gamer with an Arcade360 even knows what F3 is.

LosDaddie

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

[QUOTE="navyguy21"]Enjoy :P

Adrian_Cloud

Indeed. That's grasping for straws of the highest order. Wow. :|

Simply put, if you want to play Forza 3, all you need to do is pop the first disc into your console and play. The second disc is additional content that can be optionally installed. There's no getting around that.

I agree with this, I'd be pissed if I couldn't access AN ENTIRE DISC WORTH OF CONTENT. That....get this.... I PAYED FOR.

[QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

As far as I know, F3 will still play fine without installing the 2nd disc. And besides, I doubt any "casual" gamer with an Arcade360 even knows what F3 is.

Teufelhuhn

That's an inflated number since F2 was bundled with the Pro X360.. Also, I never meant to imply that Forza is a niche franchise. I just don't believe the Arcade360-only gamer is interested in a sim racer

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]

[QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

As far as I know, F3 will still play fine without installing the 2nd disc. And besides, I doubt any "casual" gamer with an Arcade360 even knows what F3 is.

LosDaddie

That's an inflated number since F2 was bundled with the Pro X360.. Also, I never meant to imply that Forza is a niche franchise. I just don't believe the Arcade360-only gamer is interested in a sim racer

That's funny. I bought a 360 arcade and I fully plan on getting this game. Yes, I did buy a 20gig HDD separately, because that little memory card that comes with the Arcade model just does not cut it.