"Bu..bu.. TEH PS3 CAN'T DO AA + HDR!"

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#151 SolidTy
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[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

[QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"][QUOTE="SolidTy"]Polygon Hump Mapping Pixel Waxing-GeordiLaForge-

lol

PHMPW is going to be big for DX11, just you wait. Vista too.

Yeah, I've read about it. It provides geometry shader effects, pixel shader effects, vertex shader effects, and HDR lighting in one 4 dimensional cycle. It was planned for the PS3, but Sony learned that the 4D effect was already patented by Microsoft. I can't wait to see consoles get owned by the uberness that is Polygon Hump Mapping Pixel Waxing!!!

lol.

:lol:

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#152 danneswegman
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PS3>X360 TLHBO!!! whitetiger3521
that's way to many letters. i can't understand what you are saying. If you want to make a point, try to get the message across.
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#153 whitetiger3521
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[QUOTE="whitetiger3521"]PS3>X360 TLHBO!!! -GeordiLaForge-
Please, explain...

T h e P l a y s t a t i o n 3 i s > t h a n t h e X B O X 3 6 0 i n e v e r y p o s s i b l e w a y. I d o n t t h i n k i r e a l l y n e e d t o e x p l a i n. M a y b e y o u s h o u l d g o o u t a n d b u y o n e y o u r s e l f a n d f i n d o u t.

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#154 -GeordiLaForge-
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[QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"][QUOTE="whitetiger3521"]PS3>X360 TLHBO!!! whitetiger3521

Please, explain...

T h e P l a y s t a t i o n 3 i s > t h a n t h e X B O X 3 6 0 i n e v e r y p o s s i b l e w a y. I d o n t t h i n k i r e a l l y n e e d t o e x p l a i n. M a y b e y o u s h o u l d g o o u t a n d b u y o n e y o u r s e l f a n d f i n d o u t.

F i r s t , i t ' s n o t s u p e r i o r i n e v e r y w a y . S e c o n d , I ' m g o i n g t o b u y o n e , b u t n o t u n t i l s o m e g o o d g a m e s a r e r e l e a s e d . T h i r d , t y p i n g l i k e t h i s i s a p a i n i n t h e a s s . . . . .
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#155 Viviath
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Fake HDR...real HDR...who cares? If it looks good...I dont care how you do it.... personally, all I'm seeing in this thread is damage control.....
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#157 Magical_Zebra
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OMG, its teh breakthrough 4 jo0!!11 Teh ps3 is teh console wit all teh games since teh launch! Ju ju just wait till march 4 teh games 4 jo0!111 :shock:
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#158 danneswegman
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[QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"][QUOTE="whitetiger3521"]PS3>X360 TLHBO!!! whitetiger3521

Please, explain...

T h e P l a y s t a t i o n 3 i s > t h a n t h e X B O X 3 6 0 i n e v e r y p o s s i b l e w a y. I d o n t t h i n k i r e a l l y n e e d t o e x p l a i n. M a y b e y o u s h o u l d g o o u t a n d b u y o n e y o u r s e l f a n d f i n d o u t.

again you fail to get your message across to me. what does TLHBO mean? i know it's all hip and cool and stuff, but i'm an old fart, and i can't understand what it means.
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#159 whitetiger3521
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[QUOTE="whitetiger3521"]

[QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"][QUOTE="whitetiger3521"]PS3>X360 TLHBO!!! danneswegman

Please, explain...

T h e P l a y s t a t i o n 3 i s > t h a n t h e X B O X 3 6 0 i n e v e r y p o s s i b l e w a y. I d o n t t h i n k i r e a l l y n e e d t o e x p l a i n. M a y b e y o u s h o u l d g o o u t a n d b u y o n e y o u r s e l f a n d f i n d o u t.

again you fail to get your message across to me. what does TLHBO mean? i know it's all hip and cool and stuff, but i'm an old fart, and i can't understand what it means.

Shouldnt you be playing some crossword puzzles or something? :lol:

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#160 Nagidar
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 Search for the first Xenos, and click on Slides on the line underneath it. Once the pdf opens, scroll to page 8. Be sure to look at the page numbers on the pictures, not adobe's page numbers. There are 2 document pages on each adobe page.-GeordiLaForge-

 I found it, thanks, but whats interesting, is the interviews and diagrams of the Xenos, each shader has 4 ALU's and each can execute a single operation per cycle, if that truly is the case, than the theoretical maximum is 96 billion.

Check this out:

Xenos specs and diagram.

 The Xenos seems to be shrouded in a bit of mystery, hmmm.

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#161 whitetiger3521
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[QUOTE="whitetiger3521"]

[QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"][QUOTE="whitetiger3521"]PS3>X360 TLHBO!!! -GeordiLaForge-

Please, explain...

T h e P l a y s t a t i o n 3 i s > t h a n t h e X B O X 3 6 0 i n e v e r y p o s s i b l e w a y. I d o n t t h i n k i r e a l l y n e e d t o e x p l a i n. M a y b e y o u s h o u l d g o o u t a n d b u y o n e y o u r s e l f a n d f i n d o u t.

F i r s t , i t ' s n o t s u p e r i o r i n e v e r y w a y . S e c o n d , I ' m g o i n g t o b u y o n e , b u t n o t u n t i l s o m e g o o d g a m e s a r e r e l e a s e d . T h i r d , t y p i n g l i k e t h i s i s a p a i n i n t h e a s s . . . . .

:lol:

Y e s y o u a r e b u y i n g o n e b e c a u s e y o u k n o w i t i s a m u c h s u p e r i o r t h a n t h e t h r e e s i x t y. T h e r e a r e a l r e a d y g o o d g a m e s o u t f o r t h e s y s t e m.

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#162 danneswegman
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[QUOTE="danneswegman"][QUOTE="whitetiger3521"]

[QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"][QUOTE="whitetiger3521"]PS3>X360 TLHBO!!! whitetiger3521

Please, explain...

T h e P l a y s t a t i o n 3 i s > t h a n t h e X B O X 3 6 0 i n e v e r y p o s s i b l e w a y. I d o n t t h i n k i r e a l l y n e e d t o e x p l a i n. M a y b e y o u s h o u l d g o o u t a n d b u y o n e y o u r s e l f a n d f i n d o u t.

again you fail to get your message across to me. what does TLHBO mean? i know it's all hip and cool and stuff, but i'm an old fart, and i can't understand what it means.

Shouldnt you be playing some crossword puzzles or something? :lol:

so what does it mean? third time i asked. Do me a favour
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#163 whitetiger3521
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[QUOTE="whitetiger3521"][QUOTE="danneswegman"][QUOTE="whitetiger3521"]

[QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"][QUOTE="whitetiger3521"]PS3>X360 TLHBO!!! danneswegman

Please, explain...

T h e P l a y s t a t i o n 3 i s > t h a n t h e X B O X 3 6 0 i n e v e r y p o s s i b l e w a y. I d o n t t h i n k i r e a l l y n e e d t o e x p l a i n. M a y b e y o u s h o u l d g o o u t a n d b u y o n e y o u r s e l f a n d f i n d o u t.

again you fail to get your message across to me. what does TLHBO mean? i know it's all hip and cool and stuff, but i'm an old fart, and i can't understand what it means.

Shouldnt you be playing some crossword puzzles or something? :lol:

so what does it mean? third time i asked. Do me a favour

Read

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#164 Magical_Zebra
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[QUOTE="whitetiger3521"][QUOTE="danneswegman"][QUOTE="whitetiger3521"]

[QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"][QUOTE="whitetiger3521"]PS3>X360 TLHBO!!! danneswegman

Please, explain...

T h e P l a y s t a t i o n 3 i s > t h a n t h e X B O X 3 6 0 i n e v e r y p o s s i b l e w a y. I d o n t t h i n k i r e a l l y n e e d t o e x p l a i n. M a y b e y o u s h o u l d g o o u t a n d b u y o n e y o u r s e l f a n d f i n d o u t.

again you fail to get your message across to me. what does TLHBO mean? i know it's all hip and cool and stuff, but i'm an old fart, and i can't understand what it means.

Shouldnt you be playing some crossword puzzles or something? :lol:

so what does it mean? third time i asked. Do me a favour



Lol, your wasting your time bro. The cows have been rabid lately. I think its in anticipation for some new games since Nov 06.  ;)
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#165 danneswegman
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[QUOTE="danneswegman"][QUOTE="whitetiger3521"][QUOTE="danneswegman"][QUOTE="whitetiger3521"]

[QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"][QUOTE="whitetiger3521"]PS3>X360 TLHBO!!! whitetiger3521

Please, explain...

T h e P l a y s t a t i o n 3 i s > t h a n t h e X B O X 3 6 0 i n e v e r y p o s s i b l e w a y. I d o n t t h i n k i r e a l l y n e e d t o e x p l a i n. M a y b e y o u s h o u l d g o o u t a n d b u y o n e y o u r s e l f a n d f i n d o u t.

again you fail to get your message across to me. what does TLHBO mean? i know it's all hip and cool and stuff, but i'm an old fart, and i can't understand what it means.

Shouldnt you be playing some crossword puzzles or something? :lol:

so what does it mean? third time i asked. Do me a favour

Read

thank you. my grandchildren will think i'm cool again. FYAGN!
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#166 LuigiLogik
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I played the Heavenly sword demo, and it looked good and was really fun, i don't give an eff about the lighting method but what ever they used did the trick... but still... it and the rest of the PS3 line up doesn't compare (IMO) to what's coming for the 360.... Ninja Gaiden 2 is gonna Chop suey Heavenly sword up... Halo 3 will blow everything ever made away (or Bungie will burn), so don't even try to talk Killzone2 (you know what happened last time) Mass Effect will (IMO) make Final Fantasy 13 feel like the dorks the DnD crowd tease... and Forza 2 (IMO ) will leave GTHD choking on its exhaust... MGS4 is the true hope of the PS3 and Splintercell DA has pretty much lowered my hopes that Conviction will be able to compete.... so ill give you that... one game... two if you count Lair (unless project offset is confirmed , then ps3 is screwed)
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#167 Viviath
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I played the Heavenly sword demo, and it looked good and was really fun, i don't give an eff about the lighting method but what ever they used did the trick... but still... it and the rest of the PS3 line up doesn't compare (IMO) to what's coming for the 360.... Ninja Gaiden 2 is gonna Chop suey Heavenly sword up... Halo 3 will blow everything ever made away (or Bungie will burn), so don't even try to talk Killzone2 (you know what happened last time) Mass Effect will (IMO) make Final Fantasy 13 feel like the dorks the DnD crowd tease... and Forza 2 (IMO ) will leave GTHD choking on its exhaust... MGS4 is the true hope of the PS3 and Splintercell DA has pretty much lowered my hopes that Conviction will be able to compete.... so ill give you that... one game... two if you count Lair (unless project offset is confirmed , then ps3 is screwed) LuigiLogik
I agree that some great games are coming out for X360...but FFXIII is almost guaranteed AAA as most FF games are, but Mass Effect...we dont know enough... IMO GT > Forza but to each his own, I agree about Halo3...im not holding my breath for Killzone, and Ninja Gaiden will most likely make mince meat out of Heavenly Sword.
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I played the Heavenly sword demo, and it looked good and was really fun, i don't give an eff about the lighting method but what ever they used did the trick... but still... it and the rest of the PS3 line up doesn't compare (IMO) to what's coming for the 360.... Ninja Gaiden 2 is gonna Chop suey Heavenly sword up... Halo 3 will blow everything ever made away (or Bungie will burn), so don't even try to talk Killzone2 (you know what happened last time) Mass Effect will (IMO) make Final Fantasy 13 feel like the dorks the DnD crowd tease... and Forza 2 (IMO ) will leave GTHD choking on its exhaust... MGS4 is the true hope of the PS3 and Splintercell DA has pretty much lowered my hopes that Conviction will be able to compete.... so ill give you that... one game... two if you count Lair (unless project offset is confirmed , then ps3 is screwed) LuigiLogik

If i'm not mistaken, Ninja Gaiden 2(sigma?) is PS3 exclusive. How does that help your argument? Anyway, why do you care about killing another game? So you're telling me you will not be playing FFXIII,Heavenly Sword,GT5 and possibly not Lair? You love  MS that much that you are willing to neglect those great games and others? The fact that you compared a Demo to a complete game says a lot. you=/=gamer, I think we all know what you =

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[QUOTE="LuigiLogik"]I played the Heavenly sword demo, and it looked good and was really fun, i don't give an eff about the lighting method but what ever they used did the trick... but still... it and the rest of the PS3 line up doesn't compare (IMO) to what's coming for the 360.... Ninja Gaiden 2 is gonna Chop suey Heavenly sword up... Halo 3 will blow everything ever made away (or Bungie will burn), so don't even try to talk Killzone2 (you know what happened last time) Mass Effect will (IMO) make Final Fantasy 13 feel like the dorks the DnD crowd tease... and Forza 2 (IMO ) will leave GTHD choking on its exhaust... MGS4 is the true hope of the PS3 and Splintercell DA has pretty much lowered my hopes that Conviction will be able to compete.... so ill give you that... one game... two if you count Lair (unless project offset is confirmed , then ps3 is screwed) mazdero

If i'm not mistaken, Ninja Gaiden 2(sigma?) is PS3 exclusive. How does that help your argument? Anyway, why do you care about killing another game? So you're telling me you will not be playing FFXIII,Heavenly Sword,GT5 and possibly not Lair? You love  MS that much that you are willing to neglect those great games and others? The fact that you compared a Demo to a complete game says a lot. you=/=gamer, I think we all know what you =

Noone can forget FF13, BUT this is years and years away

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#170 Raidea
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Lol, your wasting your time bro. The cows have been rabid lately. I think its in anticipation for some new games since Nov 06. ;)Magical_Zebra


I think it's more the fact that they havn't had any bad news for a while.

As soon as they have bad news, they all seem to quit posting for a couple of weeks until the fuss has died down. Plus one or two of them are new account trolls who never seem to leave.
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#171 Truth_Hurts_U
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You know thats not "true" HDR.

This topic is so old... They has been debated way back in 2005 or early 2006.

Give it a rest.

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#172 dfgfdgtdggfdg
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[QUOTE="shishkabob_6"]HS uses fake HDRtegovoltio
Like the 360's fake 1080p?

lol self owned, virtua tennis 3 and nba street are both 1080p native on xbox 360.

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#173 dfgfdgtdggfdg
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shader based HDR=fake floating point hdr, not as good.
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#174 Riverwolf007
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God of War 2 will have none of that yet score higher in ratings, thats why these tech threads suck so hard, because in the end tech dosen't matter, fun matters. The sony guys have spent the last four years trying to shove that logic down our throats but now nobody seems to want to bring it back up when it applies to the PS3 vs. 360, just when it applied to PS2 vs. xbox. Hypocrites.  The PS3 will eventually pull ahead when the price is right and the games start to come out for it. It is almost inevitable that the market share will even out between the consoles, just try not to turn off all the guys that will end up buying all the consoles by thinking PSN will be filled with maniacal crazy people debating G-Flop numbers.
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[QUOTE="LuigiLogik"]I played the Heavenly sword demo, and it looked good and was really fun, i don't give an eff about the lighting method but what ever they used did the trick... but still... it and the rest of the PS3 line up doesn't compare (IMO) to what's coming for the 360.... Ninja Gaiden 2 is gonna Chop suey Heavenly sword up... Halo 3 will blow everything ever made away (or Bungie will burn), so don't even try to talk Killzone2 (you know what happened last time) Mass Effect will (IMO) make Final Fantasy 13 feel like the dorks the DnD crowd tease... and Forza 2 (IMO ) will leave GTHD choking on its exhaust... MGS4 is the true hope of the PS3 and Splintercell DA has pretty much lowered my hopes that Conviction will be able to compete.... so ill give you that... one game... two if you count Lair (unless project offset is confirmed , then ps3 is screwed) mazdero

If i'm not mistaken, Ninja Gaiden 2(sigma?) is PS3 exclusive. How does that help your argument? Anyway, why do you care about killing another game? So you're telling me you will not be playing FFXIII,Heavenly Sword,GT5 and possibly not Lair? You love MS that much that you are willing to neglect those great games and others? The fact that you compared a Demo to a complete game says a lot. you=/=gamer, I think we all know what you =

Its not Ninja Gaiden 2.

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#176 kittykatz5k
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No one said it can't do it, just it lags whenever it tries.
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#177 tricyclon123
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shader based HDR=fake floating point hdr, not as good.dfgfdgtdggfdg

Is that why Oblivion glow of light on PS3 is laughable?

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#178 mythrol
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[QUOTE="LuigiLogik"]I played the Heavenly sword demo, and it looked good and was really fun, i don't give an eff about the lighting method but what ever they used did the trick... but still... it and the rest of the PS3 line up doesn't compare (IMO) to what's coming for the 360.... Ninja Gaiden 2 is gonna Chop suey Heavenly sword up... Halo 3 will blow everything ever made away (or Bungie will burn), so don't even try to talk Killzone2 (you know what happened last time) Mass Effect will (IMO) make Final Fantasy 13 feel like the dorks the DnD crowd tease... and Forza 2 (IMO ) will leave GTHD choking on its exhaust... MGS4 is the true hope of the PS3 and Splintercell DA has pretty much lowered my hopes that Conviction will be able to compete.... so ill give you that... one game... two if you count Lair (unless project offset is confirmed , then ps3 is screwed) Viviath
I agree that some great games are coming out for X360...but FFXIII is almost guaranteed AAA as most FF games are, but Mass Effect...we dont know enough... IMO GT > Forza but to each his own, I agree about Halo3...im not holding my breath for Killzone, and Ninja Gaiden will most likely make mince meat out of Heavenly Sword.

What I really like about your comment is where you say, "FFXIII is almost guaranteed AAA" and then go on to say, "but Mass Effect. . .we don't know enough."
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#179 Synchro456
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This is Lem city so dont expect over 10 posts on this.-Sir-Poof-
So sure?
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[QUOTE="fatzombiepigeon"][QUOTE="KeyWii"][QUOTE="-Sir-Poof-"]This is Lem city so dont expect over 10 posts on this.sainraja
They'll notice. And they'll cry. 1 less lie to spread.


Your hatred surpasses your intelligence. You hate way too much, and I can't understand why. I don't hate every cow, but every time you post something, it's almost always negative about the 360 or 360 fans. Why would they cry about this? When did they ever even hate on it?

Did you just say that? I see Xbox fans posting negative things about the PS3 instead of the other way around and now according to you a Sony fan (according to you) does that and he hates way to much?

Those people hate too much too. :|

I don't think they're any better, the problem is he lets them get under his skin too much. It's laughable, really.

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#181 Cicatraz_ESP
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Does this "HDR" and "AA" crap make the game anymore fun? No. What's the point in fighting over it? Go play some games.
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[QUOTE="mazdero"]

[QUOTE="LuigiLogik"]I played the Heavenly sword demo, and it looked good and was really fun, i don't give an eff about the lighting method but what ever they used did the trick... but still... it and the rest of the PS3 line up doesn't compare (IMO) to what's coming for the 360.... Ninja Gaiden 2 is gonna Chop suey Heavenly sword up... Halo 3 will blow everything ever made away (or Bungie will burn), so don't even try to talk Killzone2 (you know what happened last time) Mass Effect will (IMO) make Final Fantasy 13 feel like the dorks the DnD crowd tease... and Forza 2 (IMO ) will leave GTHD choking on its exhaust... MGS4 is the true hope of the PS3 and Splintercell DA has pretty much lowered my hopes that Conviction will be able to compete.... so ill give you that... one game... two if you count Lair (unless project offset is confirmed , then ps3 is screwed) tricyclon123

If i'm not mistaken, Ninja Gaiden 2(sigma?) is PS3 exclusive. How does that help your argument? Anyway, why do you care about killing another game? So you're telling me you will not be playing FFXIII,Heavenly Sword,GT5 and possibly not Lair? You love  MS that much that you are willing to neglect those great games and others? The fact that you compared a Demo to a complete game says a lot. you=/=gamer, I think we all know what you =

Noone can forget FF13, BUT this is years and years away

Ninja Gaiden sigma is a remake of the xbox game

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#183 Grive
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It has the same image quality only it preserves more memory. Tell me, how is this a bad thing?KeyWii


The problem is that it DOESN'T have the same image quality. Quite simply, an 8 bit, integer based HDR solution doesn't hold a candle (literally, I guess) to a full, 16 or 32 bit  floating point HDR solution. The whole point is having a HIGH DINAMIC RANGE. A limited static range emulation might pass for a good substitute, but you really can't compare the two.
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#184 Bgrngod
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[QUOTE="KeyWii"]It has the same image quality only it preserves more memory. Tell me, how is this a bad thing?Grive


The problem is that it DOESN'T have the same image quality. Quite simply, an 8 bit, integer based HDR solution doesn't hold a candle (literally, I guess) to a full, 16 or 32 bit  floating point HDR solution. The whole point is having a HIGH DINAMIC RANGE. A limited static range emulation might pass for a good substitute, but you really can't compare the two.

The image quality might just be close enough that most people will not notice. Technically speaking, no it doesn't have the same quality, but to the naked eye it might just be a sufficient substitute.
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#185 Mystery_Writer
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finally, PS3 developers started to find work arounds to PS3 hardware limitations. I hope that it won't impact the quality of the HDR in the game.
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#186 milsvaard
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Nice article.
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#187 mikasa
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This is old isn't it? I read about PS3 able to do HDR via some new methods months ago. Sure it's not the same thing as FP16, but if it looks the same who cares. but then couldn't this same technique be used on 360 and give it more memory for other things as well?
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#188 real_madrid_99
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[QUOTE="KeyWii"]Can Hevaenly sword do aa+hdr simultaniously?
We have HDR rendering and 4xAA. And the odds of losing either are fairly low at this point...We also anistroptic filtering where it counts (the floor of the E3 demo being an obvious place to notice it...).
http://www.ninjatheory.com/forums/showthread.php?t=252

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Noooo not this agaaaaaaain.Let me sum the responses up for you.":cry:Heavenly Sword simulates HDR,it doesnt really do true HDR!"

lol cos won't learn!!!! or maybe they like to get owned, in a creepey way!!
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#189 Gamer556
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That's not real high dynamic range lighting.
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#190 real_madrid_99
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[QUOTE="KeyWii"][QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"][QUOTE="laez"][QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"]I never said integer HDR, I said FLOATING POINT HDR. The Heavenly Sword devs use the shader pipelines to emulate an integer based HDR. This robs even more shader power from an already inefficient RSX....killab2oo5
Show us the article where the developer says that. Once again, don't just state things, back it up or dont post.

Learn to do research yourself and accept facts, or don't post...

I did my research Geordi, and all you seem to be doing is massive damage control.

In the interveiw ( http://www.techzonept.com/archive/index.php/t-96298.html ) thats all about HS HDR,it states multiple time HS uses NAO32,which is sumulated hdr...or fake hdr.

lol, nice cownage there, it is simulated HDR, an't you read cows?
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#191 real_madrid_99
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[QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"][QUOTE="laez"][QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"][QUOTE="laez"][QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"]I never said integer HDR, I said FLOATING POINT HDR. The Heavenly Sword devs use the shader pipelines to emulate an integer based HDR. This robs even more shader power from an already inefficient RSX....laez
Show us the article where the developer says that. Once again, don't just state things, back it up or dont post.

Learn to do research yourself and accept facts, or don't post...

No, you are the one who comes up with a new obscure and amazing fact about how the 360 is so much better than the PS3 every time you are proven WRONG. Even then you still posted links to try and make your points. Now you have resorted to simply (what seems like anyway) making stuff up. It’s like you read something on SW and then start posting it as fact. I don’t necessarily think you are lying; rather you just want the 360 to be better than the PS3 so bad, that you really start to believe it is. The creator of this thread posted PROOF whereas you did not. It is your responsibility to prove what you claim. So once again I ask PLEASE, post proof or don’t post.

First off, someone else has already posted the proof that you asked for. Second, don't put words in my mouth. I never said that the PS3 can't do both at the same time. I say every day that it can in fact do both. But I did say that Oblivion won't have both at the same time. Oblivion was developed for the PC and 360 first, and uses floating point HDR. But the RSX can't do floating point HDR and AA at the same time. So, it will have one or the other, not both...

Read the document again without the Microsoft glasses. They said they wanted more memory and that they were TRADING, not that the RSX wasn't capable of it.

lol quit the damage control, look: they use simulated HDR, why would they want to waste their time. THE RSX IS WEAKSAUSE
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#192 Grive
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[QUOTE="Bgrngod"] The image quality might just be close enough that most people will not notice. Technically speaking, no it doesn't have the same quality, but to the naked eye it might just be a sufficient substitute.



It very well might. I actually hope it does, it only means good things for all consoles if it does, and believe me or not, I don't have a specific desire to see the PS3 fail (or, for that matter, succeed).

I'm just pointing out that the solution the developers have come up with is basically a degradation of everything HDR stands for. If it ends up being a similarly effective technique that uses less memory, then by all means, I'm happy devs are getting such workarounds. However, this still isn't what KeiWii was trying to prove, and so far, we're still with a PS3 that's incapable of actual HDR and AA at the same time.

That, and I'm a full-blooded engineer. We tend to creepily rally under the "technically speaking" banner at the drop of a hat :P
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#193 iwo4life
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[QUOTE="KeyWii"][QUOTE="X360PS3AMD05"]Doesn't change the fact that PS3 needs a lot more work to be on par with the 360 in terms of graphics.-GeordiLaForge-
I'm sorry? The Xbox 360 without a doubt has the overall weaker hardware.

The PS3 is more powerful. The Cell is in fact superior to the Xenon. But even though the RSX has a higher theoretical maximum shader performance than the Xenos, the RSX is terribly inefficient. Since so many cycles are wasted through unused pipelines, the true shader performance is much lower. Because of it's unified shader architecture, the Xenos operates at 100% efficiency. The thread arbiter makes sure that each and every pipeline is used at all times. And when you factor in things like HDR and AA, which the Xenos can do essentially for free, the Xenos's superiority really begins to show...

When coding for a closed box where you know exactly how many of each type of shader you have you don't run into as many inefficiencies. PC games designed for any number of Pixel or Vertex shader combinations are inefficient. Its not as big of an advantage in a closed box environment. You cant do AA for free unless you drop the render resolution. 720p with 2XAA is bigger than the eDRAM buffer will allow. If it is so free why didn't Geow have any sort of AA. It used tricks like Depth of Field and motion blur to hide Aliasing. Or in the lemmings eyes FAKE AA.
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#194 Bgrngod
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[QUOTE="Grive"][QUOTE="Bgrngod"] The image quality might just be close enough that most people will not notice. Technically speaking, no it doesn't have the same quality, but to the naked eye it might just be a sufficient substitute.



It very well might. I actually hope it does, it only means good things for all consoles if it does, and believe me or not, I don't have a specific desire to see the PS3 fail (or, for that matter, succeed).

I'm just pointing out that the solution the developers have come up with is basically a degradation of everything HDR stands for. If it ends up being a similarly effective technique that uses less memory, then by all means, I'm happy devs are getting such workarounds. However, this still isn't what KeiWii was trying to prove, and so far, we're still with a PS3 that's incapable of actual HDR and AA at the same time.

That, and I'm a full-blooded engineer. We tend to creepily rally under the "technically speaking" banner at the drop of a hat :P

And that's why we don't let our engineers talk to our clients where I work ;) Most of the time the end user doesn't care about technically.
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#195 HazeNPopes
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Who cares? just play the games and shut the hell up.
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#196 Gila_moBsTeR
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HMMM! This reminds me when a guy named red_cloak got owned so massively hard by the developers. Any one have a link to that?
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#197 Driftwood111
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[QUOTE="X360PS3AMD05"]Doesn't change the fact that PS3 needs a lot more work to be on par with the 360 in terms of graphics.KeyWii
I'm sorry? The Xbox 360 without a doubt has the overall weaker hardware.



I am slightly confused. Your statement comes without any evidence, and this cannot be so. I would like around a 3000 word investigation with the title 'How the Ps3 produces better graphics than the Xbox 360'. Go.
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#198 Koolsen
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Im honestly doubting on Heavenly Sword.. weve hardly seen anything about it since E3...
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#199 PyroXD
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cool
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#200 MattBrian
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They are using pixel shader performance to fake HDR.

Same as EA did for FNR3, PS3 version, which is inferior to the 360 version.

Same thing that was done for Tony Hawk P8.

Same as was done for NFS:Carbon.

Same as on Oblivion for PS3.

Not only is it faked HDR, but it doesn't look as good. So I don't see how this can be seen as positive news for the PS3. Especially considering that the developer is pretty much admitting that the PS3 can't handle 360 quality HDR.


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Is not fake HDR still HDR?