"But when the price drop occurs PS3 wins and Wii is dead!!!"

[QUOTE="Trading_Zoner"]

[QUOTE="Duckman5"]Yeah the cows argument now is "Well more people WANT the PS3 but just can't afford it." Well how the hell do they come to that conclusion?laughingman42

You think the 110,000,000 + people just lost interest in the PS brand for no other reason?

[QUOTE="Duckman5"]Yeah the cows argument now is "Well more people WANT the PS3 but just can't afford it." Well how the hell do they come to that conclusion?Trading_Zoner

You think the 110,000,000 + people just lost interest in the PS brand for no other reason?

[QUOTE="Wintry_Flutist"]Higher price didn't prevent the PS2 from selling, but now it seems the perfect excuse for cows.Trading_Zoner

PS2 was cheaper than Xbox though.

And what excuse? It's the REASON it isn't selling...

If PS3 costed 299 it would be FLYING off shelves.

You sure? I don't see the level of interest for the PS3 there was for the PS2. It's not like every PS2 owner is waiting for price drops, unlike cows believe.

[QUOTE="Duckman5"]Yeah the cows argument now is "Well more people WANT the PS3 but just can't afford it." Well how the hell do they come to that conclusion?GarchomPro

[QUOTE="laughingman42"][QUOTE="Trading_Zoner"]

[QUOTE="Duckman5"]Yeah the cows argument now is "Well more people WANT the PS3 but just can't afford it." Well how the hell do they come to that conclusion?Armored_cell

You think the 110,000,000 + people just lost interest in the PS brand for no other reason?

Sounds like the PS3. Which will be good for cows just as the GC was good for Nintendo fans.

[QUOTE="Trading_Zoner"]

[QUOTE="Duckman5"]Yeah the cows argument now is "Well more people WANT the PS3 but just can't afford it." Well how the hell do they come to that conclusion?Duckman5

You think the 110,000,000 + people just lost interest in the PS brand for no other reason?

[QUOTE="Armored_cell"][QUOTE="laughingman42"][QUOTE="Trading_Zoner"]

[QUOTE="Duckman5"]Yeah the cows argument now is "Well more people WANT the PS3 but just can't afford it." Well how the hell do they come to that conclusion?Wintry_Flutist

You think the 110,000,000 + people just lost interest in the PS brand for no other reason?

Sounds like the PS3. Which will be good for cows just as the GC was good for Nintendo fans.

Thanks for the laugh.

[QUOTE="Wintry_Flutist"][QUOTE="Armored_cell"][QUOTE="laughingman42"][QUOTE="Trading_Zoner"]

[QUOTE="Duckman5"]Yeah the cows argument now is "Well more people WANT the PS3 but just can't afford it." Well how the hell do they come to that conclusion?Armored_cell

You think the 110,000,000 + people just lost interest in the PS brand for no other reason?

Sounds like the PS3. Which will be good for cows just as the GC was good for Nintendo fans.

Thanks for the laugh.

That's good for cows. GC had its exclusives, which were a blast for sheep.

[QUOTE="Armored_cell"][QUOTE="Wintry_Flutist"][QUOTE="Armored_cell"][QUOTE="laughingman42"][QUOTE="Trading_Zoner"]

[QUOTE="Duckman5"]Yeah the cows argument now is "Well more people WANT the PS3 but just can't afford it." Well how the hell do they come to that conclusion?Wintry_Flutist

You think the 110,000,000 + people just lost interest in the PS brand for no other reason?

Sounds like the PS3. Which will be good for cows just as the GC was good for Nintendo fans.

Thanks for the laugh.

That's good for cows. GC had its exclusives, which were a blast for sheep.

Your comparison fails. admit it.

[QUOTE="Armored_cell"][QUOTE="laughingman42"][QUOTE="Trading_Zoner"]

[QUOTE="Duckman5"]Yeah the cows argument now is "Well more people WANT the PS3 but just can't afford it." Well how the hell do they come to that conclusion?Wintry_Flutist

You think the 110,000,000 + people just lost interest in the PS brand for no other reason?

Sounds like the PS3. Which will be good for cows just as the GC was good for Nintendo fans.

[QUOTE="Wintry_Flutist"][QUOTE="Armored_cell"][QUOTE="Wintry_Flutist"][QUOTE="Armored_cell"][QUOTE="laughingman42"][QUOTE="Trading_Zoner"]

[QUOTE="Duckman5"]Yeah the cows argument now is "Well more people WANT the PS3 but just can't afford it." Well how the hell do they come to that conclusion?Armored_cell

You think the 110,000,000 + people just lost interest in the PS brand for no other reason?

Sounds like the PS3. Which will be good for cows just as the GC was good for Nintendo fans.

Thanks for the laugh.

That's good for cows. GC had its exclusives, which were a blast for sheep.

Your comparison fails. admit it.

I would say the same about Zelda, Mario, Metroid, Super Smash Bros. and other Nintendo exclusives, but the overall cow reaction is an arrogant "I don't care for those games", so I believe they only care for PS games. Therefore, the PS3 is good for cows.

[QUOTE="Armored_cell"][QUOTE="Wintry_Flutist"][QUOTE="Armored_cell"][QUOTE="Wintry_Flutist"][QUOTE="Armored_cell"][QUOTE="laughingman42"][QUOTE="Trading_Zoner"]

[QUOTE="Duckman5"]Yeah the cows argument now is "Well more people WANT the PS3 but just can't afford it." Well how the hell do they come to that conclusion?Wintry_Flutist

You think the 110,000,000 + people just lost interest in the PS brand for no other reason?

Sounds like the PS3. Which will be good for cows just as the GC was good for Nintendo fans.

Thanks for the laugh.

That's good for cows. GC had its exclusives, which were a blast for sheep.

Your comparison fails. admit it.

I would say the same about Zelda, Mario, Metroid, Super SmashBros. and other Nintendo exclusives, but the overall cow reaction is an arrogant "I don't care for those games", so I believe they only care for PS games. Therefore, the PS3 is good for cows.

[QUOTE="Duckman5"]Yeah the cows argument now is "Well more people WANT the PS3 but just can't afford it." Well how the hell do they come to that conclusion?Trading_Zoner

You think the 110,000,000 + people just lost interest in the PS brand for no other reason?

[QUOTE="Trading_Zoner"]

[QUOTE="Duckman5"]Yeah the cows argument now is "Well more people WANT the PS3 but just can't afford it." Well how the hell do they come to that conclusion?BuryMe

You think the 110,000,000 + people just lost interest in the PS brand for no other reason?

[QUOTE="Wintry_Flutist"][QUOTE="Armored_cell"][QUOTE="Wintry_Flutist"][QUOTE="Armored_cell"][QUOTE="Wintry_Flutist"][QUOTE="Armored_cell"][QUOTE="laughingman42"][QUOTE="Trading_Zoner"]

[QUOTE="Duckman5"]Yeah the cows argument now is "Well more people WANT the PS3 but just can't afford it." Well how the hell do they come to that conclusion?Armored_cell

You think the 110,000,000 + people just lost interest in the PS brand for no other reason?

Sounds like the PS3. Which will be good for cows just as the GC was good for Nintendo fans.

Thanks for the laugh.

That's good for cows. GC had its exclusives, which were a blast for sheep.

Your comparison fails. admit it.

I would say the same about Zelda, Mario, Metroid, Super SmashBros. and other Nintendo exclusives, but the overall cow reaction is an arrogant "I don't care for those games", so I believe they only care for PS games. Therefore, the PS3 is good for cows.

Retreating already?

You know it's true, the PS3 is just like the GC was for the Nintendo fanbase, it's made for the "hardcore" Playstation fans, the ones who had to stand the worst graphics but now can finally enjoy their favorite PS franchises in high def. The PS3 is not for the PS2 casual owners which represent the largest share of Sony userbase.

Sony and Nintendo pretty much changed positions. But it's not bad at all, you'll see, I enjoyed the GC a lot, so will you enjoy the PS3.

OH NOES!! I retreated already?? WAWAWA that means Wintry Flurist owned me on the intarweb :cry:

PS3 is the Nintendo Gamecube except with less gamesand it will flop like it :roll:

OH NOES!! I retreated already?? WAWAWA that means Wintry Flurist owned me on the intarweb :cry:

PS3 is the Nintendo Gamecube except with less gamesand it will flop like it :roll:

Armored_cell

Just as I said, cows say the GC is flop, besides featuring many games that any educated gamer should play.

Well, you'll soon feel how it hurts when only a handful of cows will be playing those PS3 games you judge everyone should play.

[QUOTE="Armored_cell"][QUOTE="Wintry_Flutist"][QUOTE="Armored_cell"][QUOTE="Wintry_Flutist"][QUOTE="Armored_cell"][QUOTE="Wintry_Flutist"][QUOTE="Armored_cell"][QUOTE="laughingman42"][QUOTE="Trading_Zoner"]

[QUOTE="Duckman5"]Yeah the cows argument now is "Well more people WANT the PS3 but just can't afford it." Well how the hell do they come to that conclusion?Wintry_Flutist

You think the 110,000,000 + people just lost interest in the PS brand for no other reason?

Sounds like the PS3. Which will be good for cows just as the GC was good for Nintendo fans.

Thanks for the laugh.

That's good for cows. GC had its exclusives, which were a blast for sheep.

Your comparison fails. admit it.

I would say the same about Zelda, Mario, Metroid, Super SmashBros. and other Nintendo exclusives, but the overall cow reaction is an arrogant "I don't care for those games", so I believe they only care for PS games. Therefore, the PS3 is good for cows.

Retreating already?

You know it's true, the PS3 is just like the GC was for the Nintendo fanbase, it's made for the "hardcore" Playstation fans, the ones who had to stand the worst graphics but now can finally enjoy their favorite PS franchises in high def. The PS3 is not for the PS2 casual owners which represent the largest share of Sony userbase.

Sony and Nintendo pretty much changed positions. But it's not bad at all, you'll see, I enjoyed the GC a lot, so will you enjoy the PS3.

PS3 will be much better than GC I liked GC but the only game that interested me for it was super smash bros melee and it's price is still $40!!!!! I am still thinking of buying a GC if it survives until next year then I'l buy it if it goes down to atleast $60 because I dont eant to spend a $100 on a GC that sold only 21 million which is a sad number especially for nintendo ANOTHER thing is that nintendo is pure gameing while sony has tvs and PC's and Microsoft PC games and Windows. I was still shocked that it only sold 21 million and N64 selled 32 million for some reason the only games I've ever wanted from nintendo was mario.

GC 21 million............................:lol:

PS3 will be much better than GC I liked GC but the only game that interested me for it was super smash bros melee and it's price is still $40!!!!! I am still thinking of buying a GC if it survives until next year then I'l buy it if it goes down to atleast $60 because I dont eant to spend a $100 on a GC that sold only 21 million which is a sad number especially for nintendo ANOTHER thing is that nintendo is pure gameing while sony has tvs and PC's and Microsoft PC games and Windows. I was still shocked that it only sold 21 million and N64 selled 32 million for some reason the only games I've ever wanted from nintendo was mario.

GC 21 million............................:lol:

jacky531

You should just buy a Wii eventually so you'll have a larger library of games. VC + GC + Wii.

PS3 being beaten by the Wii 3:1 in USA and 8:1 in Japan.............................:lol:

[QUOTE="Wintry_Flutist"][QUOTE="Armored_cell"][QUOTE="laughingman42"][QUOTE="Trading_Zoner"]

[QUOTE="Duckman5"]Yeah the cows argument now is "Well more people WANT the PS3 but just can't afford it." Well how the hell do they come to that conclusion?Carmilla31

You think the 110,000,000 + people just lost interest in the PS brand for no other reason?

Sounds like the PS3. Which will be good for cows just as the GC was good for Nintendo fans.

Eternal Darkness
Resient Evil 4
Resient Evil 0
Tales of Symphonia
Metal Gear Solid: Twin Snakes
Resident Evil Remake
Metriod Prime 1
Metriod Prime 2
Zelda: Wind Waker
Killer 7
Pikmin
Pikmin 2
Animal Crossing
Star Wars: Rogue Squadron
Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door
Viewiful Joe
Super Smash Bros: Melee
Harvest Moon
Ikaruga
Fire Emblem

There ya go.

Yeah, two problems. 1: An increase in PS3 sales will have no effect on Wii sales. 2:Byt the time PS3 drops in price it will be way to late.

Also, I don't see the majority of PS2 owners ever switching to PS3.

I doubt that. PS2 owners are still playing their PS2. FFXII/GOW2 being the latest big titles.

Thing is, PS2 didn't get a boom in sales till 2 years after launch, when PS1 owners were ready to make the transfer. Unless every PS2 owner hated MGS/FF/GOW/GT/GTA/Tekken/KH etc then they're not going to be going to 360/Wii, yet.

the-very-best

Why do you keep bringing up GTA in these lists?

News flash here: It ain't an exclusive. GTA4 has never been an exclusive, ever. Rockstar said right up front after SA that they would not be doing any more exclusive deals on the franchise. If there are people out there who are just waiting for GTA, and have been holding off buying either console, which one do you think they'll be getting? The cheaper one.

When PS2 owners are ready to make the transfer to the PS3 (probably in 2008 with GT5/MGSIV/FFXIII) is when I expect PS3 to start dominating.

I don't know what will happen with the Wii, but it seems to be targeting a different audience so we can't really tell how big that market is yet, and whether or not their interest will last.

the-very-best

Why do you keep bringing up GTA in these lists?

News flash here: It ain't an exclusive. GTA4 has never been an exclusive, ever. Rockstar said right up front after SA that they would not be doing any more exclusive deals on the franchise. If there are people out there who are just waiting for GTA, and have been holding off buying either console, which one do you think they'll be getting? The cheaper one.

GrlGmr

I'm holding out for GTA.And I'm getting a PS3.

Because I don't want to miss out on the other PS3 games. People don't buy a console for one game. Consumers look at other games on the system too.

GT/GTA/MGS/FF/GOW/Uncharted/Haze/Lair/Ratchet/Jak/Heavenly Sword on one console is appealing to consumers, so Sony just needs to fix up the price.

What is flawed with your theory is that tons of PS2 owners have already purchased a Wii, 360, or both.Jin_the_samurai

That's probably not true. Consumers don't typically spend money on a new console as soon as its out. The PS2 owners are still playing their PS2, it's still getting good games.

PS2 got a boom in sales 2 whole years after launch. How come PS1 owners didn't buy the PS2 straight away? Because it didn't have GT3/MGS2/FFX out yet.

Similar story with the PS3, although there are a few new IPs which should have a big impact too.

[QUOTE="GrlGmr"]

Why do you keep bringing up GTA in these lists?

News flash here: It ain't an exclusive. GTA4 has never been an exclusive, ever. Rockstar said right up front after SA that they would not be doing any more exclusive deals on the franchise. If there are people out there who are just waiting for GTA, and have been holding off buying either console, which one do you think they'll be getting? The cheaper one.

the-very-best

I'm holding out for GTA.And I'm getting a PS3.

Because I don't want to miss out on the other PS3 games. People don't buy a console for one game. Consumers look at other games on the system too.

GT/GTA/MGS/FF/GOW/Uncharted/Haze/Lair/Ratchet/Jak/Heavenly Sword on one console is appealing to consumers, so Sony just needs to fix up the price.

I said "people who are just waiting for GTA" not "people who are waiting for GTA plus some other games". I could pull out a whole list of games and franchises that are multiplat or exclusives for the 360 and Wii that are appealing to consumers as well.

I am so sick of hearing this. For the last time Nintendo can lower the price on the Wii too. But anyway I hope PS3 makes a quick rally, the more competition the better the games are! PopeReal

Its called denial, when unproven games are used as ownage you know your system ishaving problemsPower_47

It dosn't matter that the Wii can lower it's price to, the Wii will always be cheaper. It's just that once the PS3 comes down to the $450 $300 mark all that tech in it, and all that it offers is going to make people just eat it up.

The only thing holding the PS3 back is it's price, games are coming soon, but the price might not go down for a while.

I have always wanted a PS3, but the price is holding me back, as soon as it comes down a bit, im geting one, and the same gos for alot of people.

I just don't see the Wii wining this Gen, all it's really got going for it's self is it's price and the controller, that controller is like a black hole it just sucks you in, I don't even like any of the games and yet I wanted to try the Wii controller bad, and I almost bought one. But I know I just wouldn't like most of the games, the only thing that looks good to me is Zelda.

[QUOTE="PopeReal"]I am so sick of hearing this. For the last time Nintendo can lower the price on the Wii too. But anyway I hope PS3 makes a quick rally, the more competition the better the games are! jazreal

Your kiding right, you really believe this?

What has Sony always done right, what really won it for them last gen, GAMES. Sony is great at haveing a great linst of games, and don't give me that the Xbox 360 will take all there games because that is bull and you know it.

I am so sick of hearing this. For the last time Nintendo can lower the price on the Wii too. But anyway I hope PS3 makes a quick rally, the more competition the better the games are! PopeReal

with the $1.9b loss i dont think that price drop is going to be possible at the moment.

When PS2 owners are ready to make the transfer to the PS3 (probably in 2008 with GT5/MGSIV/FFXIII) is when I expect PS3 to start dominating.

I don't know what will happen with the Wii, but it seems to be targeting a different audience so we can't really tell how big that market is yet, and whether or not their interest will last.

the-very-best

[QUOTE="Wintry_Flutist"]Higher price didn't prevent the PS2 from selling, but now it seems the perfect excuse for cows.Trading_Zoner

And what excuse? It's the REASON it isn't selling...

If PS3 costed 299 it would be FLYING off shelves.

[QUOTE="Jin_the_samurai"]What is flawed with your theory is that tons of PS2 owners have already purchased a Wii, 360, or both.the-very-best

That's probably not true. Consumers don't typically spend money on a new console as soon as its out. The PS2 owners are still playing their PS2, it's still getting good games.

PS2 got a boom in sales 2 whole years after launch. How come PS1 owners didn't buy the PS2 straight away? Because it didn't have GT3/MGS2/FFX out yet.

Similar story with the PS3, although there are a few new IPs which should have a big impact too.

Although i respect ur oppinions, i have to disagree, i owned a PS2 last gen and own many of the games which are being offered as sequals on the PS3. The fact is as much as i will miss those games, i have already bought a wii. its not that i didnt have the money to buy a PS3 it just didnt appeal to me, ide much rather my PC. It was $400 AUD more expensive but it has the advantage of getting alot of the games that i want. Not to mention the new IP's that you speak of for any console have no where near the appeal as say an IP that has proved itself over and over again, and as much as people praise Halo and GTA for there massive numbers in which they sell, the fact is that many people are much more familiar with Mario. I can personally see the Wii sales taken off around about the time when galaxy comes out, perhaps even more so than that off SSBB mainly because people are just much more familiar with this franchise than any other. We are not forgeting that the mario franchise is the largest and best selling game franchise of all time. No matter how u try to spin it this game is definately going to appeal to ever type of gamer out there, whether it be casual or hardcore, people are definately going to buy this game even if it is bad.

[QUOTE="Neal_Gore"][QUOTE="the-very-best"]

When PS2 owners are ready to make the transfer to the PS3 (probably in 2008 with GT5/MGSIV/FFXIII) is when I expect PS3 to start dominating.

I don't know what will happen with the Wii, but it seems to be targeting a different audience so we can't really tell how big that market is yet, and whether or not their interest will last.

the-very-best

Did it ever occur to you that Ps2 owners are making a transfer the the Xbox 360?

I doubt that. PS2 owners are still playing their PS2. FFXII/GOW2 being the latest big titles.

Thing is, PS2 didn't get a boom in sales till 2 years after launch, when PS1 owners were ready to make the transfer. Unless every PS2 owner hated MGS/FF/GOW/GT/GTA/Tekken/KH etc then they're not going to be going to 360/Wii, yet.

I was a PS2 owner, with 2 PS2's. I transferred to the Xbox 360. I'll probably get another 360 for my other house too.

[QUOTE="Armored_cell"][QUOTE="laughingman42"][QUOTE="Trading_Zoner"]

[QUOTE="Duckman5"]Yeah the cows argument now is "Well more people WANT the PS3 but just can't afford it." Well how the hell do they come to that conclusion?Wintry_Flutist

You think the 110,000,000 + people just lost interest in the PS brand for no other reason?

Sounds like the PS3. Which will be good for cows just as the GC was good for Nintendo fans.

It dosn't matter that the Wii can lower it's price to, the Wii will always be cheaper. It's just that once the PS3 comes down to the $450 $300 mark all that tech in it, and all that it offers is going to make people just eat it up.

The only thing holding the PS3 back is it's price, games are coming soon, but the price might not go down for a while.

I have always wanted a PS3, but the price is holding me back, as soon as it comes down a bit, im geting one, and the same gos for alot of people.

I just don't see the Wii wining this Gen, all it's really got going for it's self is it's price and the controller, that controller is like a black hole it just sucks you in, I don't even like any of the games and yet I wanted to try the Wii controller bad, and I almost bought one. But I know I just wouldn't like most of the games, the only thing that looks good to me is Zelda.

marvelfan

I don't believe PS3 price will come down to $300 this gen.

If it is true that the cost of making a PS3 is ~$800, than even a $100 price drop would be very damaging. Assuming a game gives $20 profit ($70 minus the cost of making it, retailer share, advertising, etc.), they would have to sell an average of 5 games per console just to be EVEN.

On the other hand, Nintendo can afford a $100 price drop (which won't happen anytime soon, either) and still profit from each Wii sold. And I don't know about X360, but from what I have heard, I believe they can afford a price drop, too.

Still, even if PS3 does accomplish a $100 price drop, by that time (a $100 price drop right now is unthinkable for Sony) Wii will have more than the controller and the price to lure people in. If this Wii buying spree continues (and even if it wanes), 3rd parties will - and already are - start to develop higher quality games for the Wii. Plus all the 1st party games that are already announced, and those that are still to announce.

The future is grim for Sony, but I do hope they pull it together, for the sake of the industry.

[QUOTE="the-very-best"]

When PS2 owners are ready to make the transfer to the PS3 (probably in 2008 with GT5/MGSIV/FFXIII) is when I expect PS3 to start dominating.

I don't know what will happen with the Wii, but it seems to be targeting a different audience so we can't really tell how big that market is yet, and whether or not their interest will last.

Steppy_76

Aw man, this post is just oozing with truth. Bravo. :)

[QUOTE="Steppy_76"][QUOTE="the-very-best"]

When PS2 owners are ready to make the transfer to the PS3 (probably in 2008 with GT5/MGSIV/FFXIII) is when I expect PS3 to start dominating.

I don't know what will happen with the Wii, but it seems to be targeting a different audience so we can't really tell how big that market is yet, and whether or not their interest will last.

goblaa

Aw man, this post is just oozing with truth. Bravo. :)

It's not more truthful than what I said. It's a prediction, just like mine, and it's a valid one.

I do agree PS3's price is the biggest problem, but I stick by what I said, I don't think PS2 owners are making the transfer just yet. It's evident with massive sales for FFXII, and more recently GOW2. Software is still being bought for the PS2.

So like I said, if PS2 fans see the PS3 next year with Uncharted, Heavenly Sword, Killzone, Haze and most importantly MGSIV/FFXIII/GT5 and a lower price, I think we'll see PS2 owners make the transfer.

[QUOTE="goblaa"][QUOTE="Steppy_76"][QUOTE="the-very-best"]

When PS2 owners are ready to make the transfer to the PS3 (probably in 2008 with GT5/MGSIV/FFXIII) is when I expect PS3 to start dominating.

I don't know what will happen with the Wii, but it seems to be targeting a different audience so we can't really tell how big that market is yet, and whether or not their interest will last.

the-very-best

Aw man, this post is just oozing with truth. Bravo. :)

It's not more truthful than what I said. It's a prediction, just like mine, and it's a valid one.

I do agree PS3's price is the biggest problem, but I stick by what I said, I don't think PS2 owners are making the transfer just yet. It's evident with massive sales for FFXII, and more recently GOW2. Software is still being bought for the PS2.

So like I said, if PS2 fans see the PS3 next year with Uncharted, Heavenly Sword, Killzone, Haze and most importantly MGSIV/FFXIII/GT5 and a lower price, I think we'll see PS2 owners make the transfer.

Like I said, i AM a PS2 owner, and a PS1 owner and PSP owner, but i made the transfer to Xbox 360, so you are wrong, PS2 owners ARE making the transfer.

[QUOTE="Silvereign"]

[QUOTE="Wintry_Flutist"]Higher price didn't prevent the PS2 from selling, but now it seems the perfect excuse for cows.Wintry_Flutist

Because the PS2 didn't cost 600$ :roll:

Did you start gaming this gen? Back in those days, the PS2 was said to be overpriced - even Kutaragi admitted it soon before PS3 release, explaining why he was confident the PS3 price wouldn't hurt PS3 sales.

what part don't you understand the 600$ or 300$ part. PS3 still cost twice as much as the PS2 did and Kutaragi thought Ridge racer would sell well and he sold us the 4d lines.