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#51 Goyoshi12
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I don't drink. I still spend time with my family. Everyone has their down moments in life. And this is not exclusive to JUST PC gamers; all gamers can be effected by this and it's not exclusive to JUST gamers either.

 

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The majority of drug addicts/alcoholics I've come into contact with in my life as a social worker play maybe 10 hours a year.  This study is flawed.

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#53 Basinboy
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The 800 students aren't depressed or have low self-esteem because they play videogames - it's because they go to BYU (I know, I went there)

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#54 KiZZo1
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Are games the cause or is it a correlation? Cause you know - if you have some problems, it's likely you seek escapism and both drinking and games provide it. Doesn't mean that gaming is the cause of it all ...

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#55 CaseyWegner
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I don't drink. I still spend time with my family. Everyone has their down moments in life. And this is not exclusive to JUST PC gamers; all gamers can be effected by this and it's not exclusive to JUST gamers either.

 

Goyoshi12

the article is about all gamers.

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#56 Snugenz
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Platform is irrelevant in this study considering its on uni students.

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#57 heeweesRus
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Lots of greaseballs in this thread, smh. Good on you Dras for spreading the word.

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#58 super600  Moderator
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Lots of greaseballs in this thread, smh. Good on you Dras for spreading the word.

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#59 super600  Moderator
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This study mentions people that play on the PC and all the consoles.

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#60 Krelian-co
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i see the guy with anger management issues and inferiority complex has come back

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#61 WilliamRLBaker
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Are games the cause or is it a correlation? Cause you know - if you have some problems, it's likely you seek escapism and both drinking and games provide it. Doesn't mean that gaming is the cause of it all ...

KiZZo1
they are seeing a correlation so they are saying video games are the cause but its all bad science because its not even an observational study its a online poll.
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#62 StrifeDelivery
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[QUOTE="KiZZo1"]

Are games the cause or is it a correlation? Cause you know - if you have some problems, it's likely you seek escapism and both drinking and games provide it. Doesn't mean that gaming is the cause of it all ...

WilliamRLBaker

they are seeing a correlation so they are saying video games are the cause but its all bad science because its not even an observational study its a online poll.

Yes, every study has limitations, and when we only see a small excerpt, it is easy to pick apart the results. Surveys do have there uses in research. Not every study needs to be observationally based.

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#63 wis3boi
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I'm happy with my life, got many friends, am moving into a brand new home soon, hung out with distant family today, and now I'm drinking beer at my PC.  TC is gonna be mad

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#64 harry_james_pot  Moderator
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What does this have to do with system wars?

[QUOTE="Sweenix"]

WOW! and they still try to convert people to their masterace

 

how selfish

CaseyWegner

and there we go. round of applause. you didn't actually read the article.

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#65 gamecubepad
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Gaming is an outlet to get away from stress and have some fun. 

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Research into the habits of more than 800 university students found that most of the men asked, 55 per cent, were regular players, using their games console at least every other day.

tagyhag

can you tell me about your sig is it from a movie do you know ?

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#68 WilliamRLBaker
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[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="KiZZo1"]

Are games the cause or is it a correlation? Cause you know - if you have some problems, it's likely you seek escapism and both drinking and games provide it. Doesn't mean that gaming is the cause of it all ...

StrifeDelivery

they are seeing a correlation so they are saying video games are the cause but its all bad science because its not even an observational study its a online poll.

Yes, every study has limitations, and when we only see a small excerpt, it is easy to pick apart the results. Surveys do have there uses in research. Not every study needs to be observationally based.

Scientific study and results are as bad as they are today because Media outlets run with online polls and observational studies and report on data that doesn't prove anything, and often the clinical studies are conducted and the results ignored or changed because the Scientist's fell in love with their theories and went out of their way to prove themselves right instead of showing the truth.

An online poll is shit no matter the amount of data we have access too, An observational study is shit no matter the amount of data collected and the public has access to, Until the Theory born from that poll or observational study is put under the magnifying glass of a clinical study than its shit and proves nothing.

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#69 Snugenz
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i see the guy with anger management issues and inferiority complex has come back

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[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="KiZZo1"]

Are games the cause or is it a correlation? Cause you know - if you have some problems, it's likely you seek escapism and both drinking and games provide it. Doesn't mean that gaming is the cause of it all ...

StrifeDelivery

they are seeing a correlation so they are saying video games are the cause but its all bad science because its not even an observational study its a online poll.

Yes, every study has limitations, and when we only see a small excerpt, it is easy to pick apart the results. Surveys do have there uses in research. Not every study needs to be observationally based.

Surveys have no place in determining the physical and mental effects of doing an activity. They are only useful in determining opinions of various sorts.
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#71 WilliamRLBaker
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[QUOTE="StrifeDelivery"]

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"] they are seeing a correlation so they are saying video games are the cause but its all bad science because its not even an observational study its a online poll.lx_theo

Yes, every study has limitations, and when we only see a small excerpt, it is easy to pick apart the results. Surveys do have there uses in research. Not every study needs to be observationally based.

Surveys have no place in determining the physical and mental effects of doing an activity. They are only useful in determining opinions of various sorts.

usually established unwilling to change opinions.
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#73 lamprey263
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drinking and gaming never went hand in hand for me, and it's kind of hard to ignore family when living in your mother's basement
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#74 KungfuKitten
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I love how the article lists low self-esteem as if that is a bad thing.

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#75 trugs26
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Thought one: I see your time away taught you nothing darkspineslayer


Lol, I love how I've seen similar posts in the last day or so. 

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#76 KungfuKitten
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Based on the popularity of gaming I'd say that people vote yes, chasing a new high score does beat spending 'quality' time with a girlfriend or wife.

And given the defensive aggressive nature of humans I don't find that odd. Maybe if people were trying to be nice instead of to appear nice they wouldn't fall out of fashion so easily.

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The majority of drug addicts/alcoholics I've come into contact with in my life as a social worker play maybe 10 hours a year.  This study is flawed.

AdjacentLives

As a former heroin addict myself (10 years off the skag) , I know I didn't play games during my few years on the needle. Obtaining money and then getting junk was a full time job. 

 

It was actually games that helped me recover. The dopamine kick from gaming is a nice clean replacement for a high, that and the buying of new games introduced new things to replace the void. Of course going on with my life, working a good career, getting married and raising kids helped too. To this day though, I refuse to give up gaming... I drink only on Holidays and then not much, and I don't do other drugs, i owe a lot of that to gaming. I wouldn't be here right now if I stayed on that road. Gaming is a hobby and a way of life, and in no way is it depressing, or does it make me not talk to my family or spouse. The opposite in fact. We all game :)

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#78 N30F3N1X
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"Research into the habits of more than 800 university students found that most of the men asked, 55 per cent, were regular players, using their games console at least every other day."

:lol:

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[QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

i see the guy with anger management issues and inferiority complex has come back

Snugenz

Casharmy?.

he never left.

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#80 KungfuKitten
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The majority of drug addicts/alcoholics I've come into contact with in my life as a social worker play maybe 10 hours a year.  This study is flawed.

AdjacentLives

That isn't that weird either. Gaming is one of the most expensive hobbies, so obviously the average alcoholics and drug addicts wouldn't have that much excess money let alone the desire to spend it on something other than drugs or booze.

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#81 trasherhead
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I looked into some of this as part of my bachelor, and while most research is consistent, they never look at cause. They just look at effect of playing video games. What I found out is that there usually is an underlying cause to WHY a person plays a lot of video games. And in most cases, not all(sometimes a person is just addicted because they have it in them to get addicted), it is a form of escapism from the pressure of everyday life. Anything from being bullied to pressure at work. It is just a tool to not be in your own life for a little while. This can take over a persons life, but it is rarely a games fault.
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I looked into some of this as part of my bachelor, and while most research is consistent, they never look at cause. They just look at effect of playing video games. What I found out is that there usually is an underlying cause to WHY a person plays a lot of video games. And in most cases, not all(sometimes a person is just addicted because they have it in them to get addicted), it is a form of escapism from the pressure of everyday life. Anything from being bullied to pressure at work. It is just a tool to not be in your own life for a little while. This can take over a persons life, but it is rarely a games fault. trasherhead
indeed

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#83 MirkoS77
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I don't think playing games causes those things, but I do believe (from personal experience at least) that many people do play games because they suffer from low self-esteem and other issues.  Games are a great escape, I don't see how this is any news.

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#84 pl4yer_f0und
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Stats =/= individual experiences.

 

Judging individual people based on stats and surveys is a horrible thing to do.

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#85 the_bi99man
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Games are a great escape, I don't see how this is any news.

MirkoS77

It's not. Drasonak just saw "computer game players", thought it meant specifically PC gamers, and posted it in system wars because he's an idiot. An idiot who thinks he has an "education" in psychology. So... a huge idiot.

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#86 ReadingRainbow4
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Holy shit I thought you were gone for good.

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#87 MirkoS77
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[QUOTE="MirkoS77"]

Games are a great escape, I don't see how this is any news.

the_bi99man

It's not. Drasonak just saw "computer game players", thought it meant specifically PC gamers, and posted it in system wars because he's an idiot. An idiot who thinks he has an "education" in psychology. So... a huge idiot.

I've seen his posts.  I'd like to think someone with an education would hold a bit more maturity, not so much insecurity.

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[QUOTE="trasherhead"]I looked into some of this as part of my bachelor, and while most research is consistent, they never look at cause. They just look at effect of playing video games. What I found out is that there usually is an underlying cause to WHY a person plays a lot of video games. And in most cases, not all(sometimes a person is just addicted because they have it in them to get addicted), it is a form of escapism from the pressure of everyday life. Anything from being bullied to pressure at work. It is just a tool to not be in your own life for a little while. This can take over a persons life, but it is rarely a games fault.

they never look at the cause because they aren't looking for it, they are specifically looking for reasons to draw conclusions that video games=bad
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Probably true seeing as the audience they focus on are late teen to young adults, they are more likely to drink and ignore family no matter what their hobby is and they are prone to bouts of low self-esteem.

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#90 MakeMeaSammitch
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I don't believe the drinking part.

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[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]$200,000 well spent.Drasonak
I bet you could make that much money too if the world wasn't keeping you down for being an atheist. :( I understand your plight, good sir! One day, atheists everywhere will be able to... uhh... uhm... wor-No, uhh... Well, good luck with your gallant crusade!

 

I'd rather not be indoctrinated as I was once before, and fortunately I no longer live in the bible belt. 

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#92 Cyberdot
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"Computer game players" applies to consolites too.

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Regular players of computer games are more likely to drink alcohol, stop talking to their family and have lower self-esteem, a new study has found.

Although "gamers" have long denied the accusation that they are anti-social loners, scientists believe they have proof that long hours spent attempting to better "top scores" could have far-reaching consequences.

The study found that regular players were also more likely to drink alcohol or use drugs than others.

"The most striking part is that everything we found clustered around video game use is negative," said Prof Laura Walker, from Brigham Young University, in Utah, who led the study.

She said previous studies had only examined the issue of aggression but added: "It appears video games are related to a host of other negative outcomes."

Research into the habits of more than 800 university students found that most of the men asked, 55 per cent, were regular players, using their games console at least every other day.

By contrast, only around 7 per cent of women admitted that they played computer games that often.

However, the games appeared to have a stronger effect on their confidence.

Female gamers were more likely to suffer low self-esteem than other women, an effect not seen among male players, the study found.

Regular gamers were also around 10 per cent more likely to drink alcohol and take drugs than students who rarely played the games.

Those who played computer games every day were three times as likely to use cannabis as those who never played, the findings, published in the Journal of Youth and Adolescence, show.

As the amount of time spent playing the games increased, the quality of relationships with friends and parents deteriorated, the study also found, although the effects were described as "modest".

Prof Walker said that it was still unclear whether playing computer games caused other social problems, or were merely a symptom of them.

"It may be that young adults remove themselves from important social settings to play video games, or that people who already struggle with relationships are trying to find other ways to spend their time," she said. "My guess is that it's some of both and becomes circular."

Researchers now want to test whether the games also cause harm to romantic relationships.

"The gender imbalance begs the question of whether chasing a new high score beats spending quality time with a girlfriend or wife," said Alex Jensen, one of the co-authors of the study.Drasonak

Source: http://kotaku.com/5137884/gamers-more-likely-to-be-surly-drunk-self+haters

What do you all think about this?

 

Dem anti social consolites, glad I'm also a PC gamer so I'm not part of that suff, thanks for telling us about those bad consolites Drasonak.

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#94 Jack-Burton
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Playing games actually curbed Ol' Jacks drinking seeing as I had something to occupy my time, and I wasn't out as much.
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#95 ionusX
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Playing games actually curbed Ol' Jacks drinking seeing as I had something to occupy my time, and I wasn't out as much.Jack-Burton
it also curbed my addiction to porn back when i was 16

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#96 GarGx1
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Lol, they used 800 University students. Students invariably drink more, ignore their families and have low self esteme regardless of whether they are gamers or not.

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#97 PCgameruk
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I game alot,

I drink rarely, i talk to my family all the time, i go to the gym and have high self of esteem. I look good, feel good and im known as a hermit.

My study says you're wrong.

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#98 trugs26
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Lol, they used 800 University students. Students invariably drink more, ignore their families and have low self esteme regardless of whether they are gamers or not.

GarGx1

Well did they also compare with other university students too though? For example, uni student A doesn't play games, has X outcome, uni student B plays games, has Y outcome. Both of them are students, but only one set correlates to the symptoms described. Just a thought, and also, I have not read into the article at all. So I have no idea.

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#100 Rocker6
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Some truth to that article... just enjoying a monster hangover, but what the hell, was worth it!