"Demon's Souls is a JRPG/WRPG", let's take it to a vote.

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#51 nhh18
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WRPG- RPG made by western dev team

JRPG- RPG made by japanese dev team.

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#52 Yandere
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[QUOTE="AncientDozer"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]

I think we should abandon the JRPG and WRPG nonsense all together.

Japan isnt a genre niether is western

Hahadouken

I agree. It's the stupidest way of classifying something. How can anyone not think "American Japanese RPG" sounds goofy?

Yeah, I agree with that, but as it stands right now when people discuss JRPG they mean a genre.

The only people I see that do that are people that look into video game genres.

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#53 nhh18
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Demon's Souls is an action-RPG, so it belongs to the wRPG subgenre. It doesn't have the necessary elements to be considered a jRPG. A jRPG isn't simply a RPG made in Japan. It's a subgenre with it's own characteristics.

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Kingdmo hearts a WRPG?

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#54 Blue-Sky
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WRPG- RPG made by western dev team

JRPG- RPG made by japanese dev team.

nhh18

Wrong.

Why don't you try googling those terms.

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#57 HaxxySax_7777
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I am disheartened by what I see here. System Wars never fails to bring my faith in humanity down.
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#59 RyuRanVII
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This is how I classify RPGs:

RPGs

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#60 Blue-Sky
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[QUOTE="Blue-Sky"] Incorrectly so, considering that not all anime share these traits. Ignorant viewers from other countries are merely placing shounen stereotypes on the entire anime platform.Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

I think we should abandon the JRPG and WRPG nonsense all together.

Japan isnt a genre niether is western

AncientDozer

I agree. It's the stupidest way of classifying something. How can anyone not think "American Japanese RPG" sounds goofy?

I agree with you three. Both the anime and JRPG classification came from a less politically correct era. But these terms are too installed into our culture to get rid of. I still call Japanese animation, Anime even if though the term itself is ridiculous.

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#61 HaxxySax_7777
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[QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]

[QUOTE="nhh18"]

WRPG- RPG made by western dev team

JRPG- RPG made by japanese dev team.

AncientDozer

Wrong.

Why don't you try googling those terms.

Who says? You? A couple hardcore elitists? Realize that the average person doesn't go any further than "is it anime-ish" and "does it come from Japan". I crap you not, buddy. And, honestly, the way nhh18 puts it is the way it ought to be. Locations aren't the defining factors of the genre. What happens if an American team makes what you guys consider a "JRPG"? It's an American Japanese RPG now? Do you understand how dumb that sounds? It'd just confuse people. No, nhh18 has it the better way. Japanese RPGs come from Japan and Western RPGs come from the West. Anything else just sounds ridiculous.

Think of it this way: Does DS borrow more from Western-made RPGs or Japanese made RPGs? The choice is obvious.
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#62 PSdual_wielder
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This is how I classify RPGs:

RPGs

RyuRanVII

Did you make that up, or got it somewhere on the internet? Because thats just wrong buddy.

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#63 Yandere
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This is how I classify RPGs:

RyuRanVII

Tactical RPGs such as the ones you listed are TBT games with RPG elements, cRPG is not a genre, you did not have "roguelike" in there, and again what JRPGs such as the "Tales" series that are action RPGs?

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#64 Blue-Sky
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This is how I classify RPGs:

RyuRanVII

I think it's stupid to add a pre-fix to some RPGs and then call others "X genre with elements"

Like for instance, you said ME2 was a TPS with RPG elements, but since when does an RPG is cIassified by the type of weapon the hero uses? Or even what camera angle? Most RPGs of yesterdecade were in first person....


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#65 Hahadouken
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[QUOTE="Hahadouken"][QUOTE="bobaban"]Ok I guess Action RPG = WRPG in this thread.xsubtownerx
Are we really debating whether JRPGs and WRPGs are genres, not strictly determined by which region produced it? Wow. I guess Devil May Cry is a JAG (Japanese Action Game)? Let's just start prefacing every single genre with the letter of the nation which produced it.... lol

Sure. But from now on I want YOU and EVERYONE ELSE to start calling ALL BIOWARE RPGs "Canadian Role Playing Games". I appreciate it. Thanks!

Can do. I live in Edmonton after all. ;) Want me to pass along a message?
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#66 Hahadouken
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[QUOTE="Hahadouken"][QUOTE="AncientDozer"] I agree. It's the stupidest way of classifying something. How can anyone not think "American Japanese RPG" sounds goofy?Yandere

Yeah, I agree with that, but as it stands right now when people discuss JRPG they mean a genre.

The only people I see that do that are people that look into video game genres.

Yeah, and the only people discussing model airplanes are people on model airplane forums? LOLWUT? What are we talking about, if not people who look into video game genres? It's not like Joe Sixpack even knows what a "genre" is. :lol:
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#67 Hahadouken
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[QUOTE="RyuRanVII"]

This is how I classify RPGs:

Blue-Sky

I think it's stupid to add a pre-fix to some RPGs and then call others "X genre with elements"

Like for instance, you said ME2 was a TPS with RPG elements, but since when does an RPG is cIassified by the type of weapon the hero uses? Or even what camera angle? Most RPGs of yesterdecade were in first person....


I'm happy with just calling it an RPG... but then you end up having to explain the hell out of it. RPG doesn't tell you anything. You'll end up saying "its a tactical. turn-based RPG with _____ elements" etc etc.

If my friends say "JRPG" or "WRPG" I can immediately wrap my head around it, and then I'm at least in the ballpark.

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#68 Yandere
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[QUOTE="Yandere"]

[QUOTE="Hahadouken"] Yeah, I agree with that, but as it stands right now when people discuss JRPG they mean a genre.Hahadouken

The only people I see that do that are people that look into video game genres.

Yeah, and the only people discussing model airplanes are people on model airplane forums? LOLWUT? What are we talking about, if not people who look into video game genres? It's not like Joe Sixpack even knows what a "genre" is. :lol:

Some people in here do not even know every video game sub-genre, so it doesn't matter if we are in a video game forum.

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#69 hayato_
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Its a RPG

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#70 Burning-Sludge
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JRPG = RPG made by a Japanese dev...thus, Demon's Souls = JRPG. Sure it has a ton of western elements, but it's still a JRPG.killab2oo5

So much ignorance. :(

You do know killab2oo5 that the games genre is dependent only on it's elements.

I wonder how long until a geme's genre is determined by the media it's on.

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#71 HaxxySax_7777
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[QUOTE="Hahadouken"][QUOTE="bobaban"]Ok I guess Action RPG = WRPG in this thread.xsubtownerx
Are we really debating whether JRPGs and WRPGs are genres, not strictly determined by which region produced it? Wow. I guess Devil May Cry is a JAG (Japanese Action Game)? Let's just start prefacing every single genre with the letter of the nation which produced it.... lol

Sure. But from now on I want YOU and EVERYONE ELSE to start calling ALL BIOWARE RPGs "Canadian Role Playing Games". I appreciate it. Thanks!

Canada = Western in case you didn't know :D
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#73 mythrol
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Demon's Souls is an action-RPG, so it belongs to the wRPG subgenre. It doesn't have the necessary elements to be considered a jRPG. A jRPG isn't simply a RPG made in Japan. It's a subgenre with it's own characteristics.

RyuRanVII
Does that mean Kingdom Hearts and FFvsXIII are WRPGs as well? How about Tales of Vesperia or Eternal Sonata? If the only classification is whether the combat is "action" or not, then there'd be a ton more WRPG.
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#74 fenwickhotmail
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why differentiate RPGs based on where they were developed from? Other genres don't use the country-of-origin as a distiction. You never hear about a JFPS or a WRTS, or a EuropeanMMO. Would it make more sense for the JRPG/WRPG labels to indicate traditional gameplay elements?shaggygrosser
Yes this exactly.
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[QUOTE="Hahadouken"][QUOTE="xsubtownerx"] Sure. But from now on I want YOU and EVERYONE ELSE to start calling ALL BIOWARE RPGs "Canadian Role Playing Games". I appreciate it. Thanks!

Can do. I live in Edmonton after all. ;) Want me to pass along a message?

Please do! If gameplay has nothing to do with it, why not!!! 8)
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#76 shaggygrosser
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WRPG- RPG made by western dev team

JRPG- RPG made by japanese dev team.

nhh18
So do you call God of War a WAG (Western Action Game) because it was dev in the US and Devil May Cry a JAG (Japanese Action Game) because it was dev in Japan? No? Didn't think so. So why use the same logic with RPGs?
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#77 Dystopian-X
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[QUOTE="nhh18"]

WRPG- RPG made by western dev team

JRPG- RPG made by japanese dev team.

shaggygrosser

So do you call God of War a WAG (Western Action Game) because it was dev in the US and Devil May Cry a JAG (Japanese Action Game) because it was dev in Japan? No? Didn't think so. So why use the same logic with RPGs?

Because those terms are used to classify RPGs mostly. Just like how you usually hear the terms J-Rock and J-Pop but not "J-Trance" however your GOW/DMC assertion should be correct, but those terms are just not broadly used.

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#78 Superbored
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JRPG and WRPG refers to the style of the game.

If it quacks like a duck, looks like a duck and is a WRPG then its a WRPG, it doesn't matter where it was made.

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#79 Zero5000X
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Is Italian still called Italian if it's being spoken by an American? Or is it now called American?
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#80 Zero5000X
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JRPG and WRPG refers to the style of the game.

If it quacks like a duck, looks like a duck and is a WRPG then its a WRPG, it doesn't matter where it was made.

Superbored
^ this. Japanese architecture is still referred to as Japanese even if it is built in the United States. Same idea really.
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#81 Laxer04
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whatever it is i dont care, the game is simply amazing

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#82 AdrianWerner
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WRPG to me. I think the most important thing is the game itself, not the country it was made in. Using names based on location leads to way to many problems. Korean RPGs won't be jRPGs then. So Magna Carta isn't jRPG, but Magna Carta 2 suddenly is one. Games like Witcher, Mount and Blade or King's Bounty suddenly can't be counted as wRPGs becase they were made in eastern europe. Too much mess, so I will stick to

jRPGs = japanese style RPGs

wRPGs = western style RPGs

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#83 cainetao11
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I think we should abandon the JRPG and WRPG nonsense all together.

Japan isnt a genre niether is western

toast_burner
Too logical for SW.....reboot immanent...........core melting...............
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#84 shaggygrosser
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WRPG to me. I think the most important thing is the game itself, not the country it was made in. Using names based on location leads to way to many problems. Korean RPGs won't be jRPGs then. So Magna Carta isn't jRPG, but Magna Carta 2 suddenly is one. Games like Witcher, Mount and Blade or King's Bounty suddenly can't be counted as wRPGs becase they were made in eastern europe. Too much mess, so I will stick to

jRPGs = japanese style RPGs

wRPGs = western style RPGs

AdrianWerner
This makes much more sense than the "buh buh buh it was mayd in teh Japaaaaahn" arguement.
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#85 aia89
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well soon this game will come to the Pc anyway

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#86 Sollet
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It's a JRPG that plays like a WRPG.
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#87 Cerberus_Legion
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Does it honestly matter? I've already put almost 100 hours and moved on. To be completely honest, it doesn't play like a WRPG OR a JRPG. It plays like a Dungeon Crawler. Where's the option for that?mythrol

This is my answer.

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#88 Bazooka_4ME
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I think it's just plain "ACTION" RPG.

The game has the same concept as Zelda OOT so I wouldn't actually call it a Western RPG.

OOT

Demon's Souls

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#89 rp108
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I think we should abandon the JRPG and WRPG nonsense all together.

Japan isnt a genre niether is western

toast_burner

I agree. I just like to call them RPGs.