Quote from the GS review for Smash Bros. Talk about contradictions.

GS review quote:

"There can be a surprising amount of strategy involved, from knowing when and how to attack to ensuring that the terrain of the sometimes over-the-top levels works for you rather than against you. But all that said, Brawl is an incredibly well-balanced game in which even a brand-new player can come away the victor against a hardened veteran. "

How the heck can a "fighting" game be " incredibly well-balanced" when a brand new player can come away with a win agaist a hardened veteran.

This is the kind of complete crap Nintendo can get away with. If Virtua Fighter 5 Online came with a combat system that someones girlfriend that had never played the game before could pick up the controller and win agaist some that has played the seires since its N64 days it would be laughed at.

You know what...... what ever..... I dont even care anymore... let gaming die the same way that pop and hip-hop now rule the music industry.... creativity dies and mass produced easy to hear crap for the masses becomes the norm... way to go MTV generation....

GS review quote:

"There can be a surprising amount of strategy involved, from knowing when and how to attack to ensuring that the terrain of the sometimes over-the-top levels works for you rather than against you. But all that said, Brawl is an incredibly well-balanced game in which even a brand-new player can come away the victor against a hardened veteran. "

How the heck can a "fighting" game be " incredibly well-balanced" when a brand new player can come away with a win agaist a hardened veteran.

This is the kind of complete crap Nintendo can get away with. If Virtua Fighter 5 Online came with a combat system that someones girlfriend that had never played the game before could pick up the controller and win agaist some that has played the seires since its N64 days it would be laughed at.

You know what...... what ever..... I dont even care anymore... let gaming die the same way that pop and hip-hop now rule the music industry.... creativity dies and mass produced easy to hear crap for the masses becomes the norm... way to go MTV generation....

evilross

virtua fighter 5 is too deep for its own good .

GS review quote:

"There can be a surprising amount of strategy involved, from knowing when and how to attack to ensuring that the terrain of the sometimes over-the-top levels works for you rather than against you. But all that said, Brawl is an incredibly well-balanced game in which even a brand-new player can come away the victor against a hardened veteran. "

How the heck can a "fighting" game be " incredibly well-balanced" when a brand new player can come away with a win agaist a hardened veteran.

This is the kind of complete crap Nintendo can get away with. If Virtua Fighter 5 Online came with a combat system that someones girlfriend that had never played the game before could pick up the controller and win agaist some that has played the seires since its N64 days it would be laughed at.

You know what...... what ever..... I dont even care anymore... let gaming die the same way that pop and hip-hop now rule the music industry.... creativity dies and mass produced easy to hear crap for the masses becomes the norm... way to go MTV generation....

evilross

He can win via luck on item draws and such. Once again, and option you can turn off. It is options that make it deep yet universal.

i dont see how he contradicted himself with the statement

GS review quote:

"There can be a surprising amount of strategy involved, from knowing when and how to attack to ensuring that the terrain of the sometimes over-the-top levels works for you rather than against you. But all that said, Brawl is an incredibly well-balanced game in which even a brand-new player can come away the victor against a hardened veteran. "

How the heck can a "fighting" game be " incredibly well-balanced" when a brand new player can come away with a win agaist a hardened veteran.

This is the kind of complete crap Nintendo can get away with. If Virtua Fighter 5 Online came with a combat system that someones girlfriend that had never played the game before could pick up the controller and win agaist some that has played the seires since its N64 days it would be laughed at.

You know what...... what ever..... I dont even care anymore... let gaming die the same way that pop and hip-hop now rule the music industry.... creativity dies and mass produced easy to hear crap for the masses becomes the norm... way to go MTV generation....

evilross

turn items off, and the beginner literally has NO chance against a veteran

its not like soul caliber, where a veteran can get beaten by a button-masher who has never played the game before

GS review quote:

"There can be a surprising amount of strategy involved, from knowing when and how to attack to ensuring that the terrain of the sometimes over-the-top levels works for you rather than against you. But all that said, Brawl is an incredibly well-balanced game in which even a brand-new player can come away the victor against a hardened veteran. "

How the heck can a "fighting" game be " incredibly well-balanced" when a brand new player can come away with a win agaist a hardened veteran.

This is the kind of complete crap Nintendo can get away with. If Virtua Fighter 5 Online came with a combat system that someones girlfriend that had never played the game before could pick up the controller and win agaist some that has played the seires since its N64 days it would be laughed at.

You know what...... what ever..... I dont even care anymore... let gaming die the same way that pop and hip-hop now rule the music industry.... creativity dies and mass produced easy to hear crap for the masses becomes the norm... way to go MTV generation....

evilross

I'm sorry when he say brand new player he means with lucky items such as getting the smash power up or the hammer.

i dont see how he contradicted himself with the statement

Kakarot00769

Agreed. That's what makes it so balanced. When a friend comes around, if you own the game, your almost certainly going to beat them. It's good to hear that they have a fair chance.

Wow, the first thread of complaining has already start. Did someone take the time?madsnakehhh

First one and the first one owned by logic :P. We know, items ftw. This thread is over.

Yeah, that's all I can say.

Wow, the first thread of complaining has already start. Did someone take the time?madsnakehhh

the wii-haters have really brought their A-game tonight

i mean this damage control thread was made almost at the very instance the review was posted......very impressive

lightning quick reflexes like that is something that only the fully-certified wii-haters of system wars can possess

Talk about elitist.sexy_chimp

What the hell is elitist about having something compared fairly?

Its one thing to say "This is a game that people will have fun with, and is great for partys and we love it"

Its another thing to say "Its is an incredibly well-balanced game in which even a brand-new player can come away the victor against a hardened veteran."

Can you explain that to me? And still say SSBB is still a fighting game not a party game? And then say that Gamespot did not change the whole review system that they used to use just so mass market Wii crap could still get good scores without 3 of the 5 prime scores being factored in?

Whats the point of games ever moving forward when you can just put out party games and make millions?????

Why would anyone want to make good music when you can just be Jessica Simpson and become a millionare?

Why make artful thought provoking films when you can make Spider-Man and break all movie records.

Its not even the gaming industrys fault... its peoples fault... people are ok with mindless crap, and good for them.

no wonder america is in such bad shape.

[QUOTE="sexy_chimp"]Talk about elitist.evilross

What the hell is elitist about having something compared fairly?

Its one thing to say "This is a game that people will have fun with, and is great for partys and we love it"

Its another thing to say "Its is an incredibly well-balanced game in which even a brand-new player can come away the victor against a hardened veteran."

Can you explain that to me? And still say SSBB is still a fighting game not a party game? And then say that Gamespot did not change the whole review system that they used to use just so mass market Wii crap could still get good scores without 3 of the 5 prime scores being factored in?

Whats the point of games ever moving forward when you can just put out party games and make millions?????

Why would anyone want to make good music when you can just be Jessica Simpson and become a millionare?

Why make artful thought provoking films when you can make Spider-Man and break all movie records.

Its not even the gaming industrys fault... its peoples fault... people are ok with mindless crap, and good for them.

no wonder america is in such bad shape.

Lol, this is awesome, I really don't even have to respond, you're proving my point for me. Thank you, elitist.

[QUOTE="sexy_chimp"]Talk about elitist.evilross

What the hell is elitist about having something compared fairly?

Its one thing to say "This is a game that people will have fun with, and is great for partys and we love it"

Its another thing to say "Its is an incredibly well-balanced game in which even a brand-new player can come away the victor against a hardened veteran."

Can you explain that to me? And still say SSBB is still a fighting game not a party game? And then say that Gamespot did not change the whole review system that they used to use just so mass market Wii crap could still get good scores without 3 of the 5 prime scores being factored in?

Whats the point of games ever moving forward when you can just put out party games and make millions?????

Why would anyone want to make good music when you can just be Jessica Simpson and become a millionare?

Why make artful thought provoking films when you can make Spider-Man and break all movie records.

Its not even the gaming industrys fault... its peoples fault... people are ok with mindless crap, and good for them.

no wonder america is in such bad shape.

[QUOTE="sexy_chimp"]Talk about elitist.evilross

What the hell is elitist about having something compared fairly?

Its one thing to say "This is a game that people will have fun with, and is great for partys and we love it"

Its another thing to say "Its is an incredibly well-balanced game in which even a brand-new player can come away the victor against a hardened veteran."

Can you explain that to me? And still say SSBB is still a fighting game not a party game? And then say that Gamespot did not change the whole review system that they used to use just so mass market Wii crap could still get good scores without 3 of the 5 prime scores being factored in?

Whats the point of games ever moving forward when you can just put out party games and make millions?????

Why would anyone want to make good music when you can just be Jessica Simpson and become a millionare?

Why make artful thought provoking films when you can make Spider-Man and break all movie records.

Its not even the gaming industrys fault... its peoples fault... people are ok with mindless crap, and good for them.

no wonder america is in such bad shape.

You know nothing about Smash Bros. and it's tournament scene.

The game isn't as rediculously deep as GGXX or VF series, but it's up there still.

The reviews don't play at tournament level, they play at casual level. You are making a mountain out a mole hill.

"How the heck can a "fighting" game be " incredibly well-balanced" when a brand new player can come away with a win agaist a hardened veteran."

? Rock, Paper, Scissors is "well-balanced" because a brand new player came come away with a win against a hardened veteran.

It simplely means that new player has a greater chance to stand up against veterans and regulars of the series. Jump in, and learn the basics and have a chance to win. Something wrong with that? It has that right stuff to help aid in having fun against whoever and perhaps a win and there.

Seriously, stop grabbing for straws. If someone wanted to have a serious fight, you just customize all the options to take away the little added perks like items.

"How the heck can a "fighting" game be " incredibly well-balanced" when a brand new player can come away with a win agaist a hardened veteran."

? Rock, Paper, Scissors is "well-balanced" because a brand new player came come away with a win against a hardened veteran.

Nentindoh

Actually not terribly true. There's a load of mind tricks you can play. Best of 5s can often be skill :P

Anyways, yeah. What they're talking about is that there's options ot make it either way. Unlike other fighters, there's many elements that can be turned on and off.

GS review quote:

How the heck can a "fighting" game be " incredibly well-balanced" when a brand new player can come away with a win agaist a hardened veteran.

evilross

I think you need to go read up on the definition of the word "balanced" because your argument makes no sense.

GS review quote:

"There can be a surprising amount of strategy involved, from knowing when and how to attack to ensuring that the terrain of the sometimes over-the-top levels works for you rather than against you. But all that said, Brawl is an incredibly well-balanced game in which even a brand-new player can come away the victor against a hardened veteran. "

How the heck can a "fighting" game be " incredibly well-balanced" when a brand new player can come away with a win agaist a hardened veteran.

This is the kind of complete crap Nintendo can get away with. If Virtua Fighter 5 Online came with a combat system that someones girlfriend that had never played the game before could pick up the controller and win agaist some that has played the seires since its N64 days it would be laughed at.

You know what...... what ever..... I dont even care anymore... let gaming die the same way that pop and hip-hop now rule the music industry.... creativity dies and mass produced easy to hear crap for the masses becomes the norm... way to go MTV generation....

evilross

You're just mad because the game didn't flop, like you were hoping, and instead is a better game than the playstation 3 has, period, and talk about AAA exclusives? Yeah, we got those too. Not to mention sales.

You know, I would be upset if I were you, as well.

Cry more, Brawl is the best fighter ever released. You should respect that, if you consider yourself "hardcore" instead of fanboying out because you like your PS3 too much, but it ain't doing good. Your little eyes wonder over the the Wii, who has nothing but win after win, and you say to yourself, "That could be me if it wasn't for Brawl."

Then you get yourself excited like it might flop.

Then it doesn't.

Man, I bet you and so many others had SEVERE dissapointment.

:lol:

Hey, somebody's gotta do the owning around here. Might as well be the winners.

Just play the game and be happy.

I dont see the contradiction.

I remember when I first played melee I was beating my friends who had been playing the game for a year

[QUOTE="sexy_chimp"]Talk about elitist.evilross

What the hell is elitist about having something compared fairly?

Its one thing to say "This is a game that people will have fun with, and is great for partys and we love it"

Its another thing to say "Its is an incredibly well-balanced game in which even a brand-new player can come away the victor against a hardened veteran."

Can you explain that to me? And still say SSBB is still a fighting game not a party game? And then say that Gamespot did not change the whole review system that they used to use just so mass market Wii crap could still get good scores without 3 of the 5 prime scores being factored in?

Whats the point of games ever moving forward when you can just put out party games and make millions?????

Why would anyone want to make good music when you can just be Jessica Simpson and become a millionare?

Why make artful thought provoking films when you can make Spider-Man and break all movie records.

Its not even the gaming industrys fault... its peoples fault... people are ok with mindless crap, and good for them.

no wonder america is in such bad shape.

You are complaining about a lack of thoughtfulness when you put no thought at all into your weak argument. :|

To be fair on the TC, Gamespot did kind of screw up that line in their review. They should have made it clear that they meant with items. Unless they actually did mean that a noob could beat a pro in tournament conditions in which case... :|

Still, TC, you should really give your Smash Bros. hate a rest, tonight of all nights.

No, its just because its something that everyone is familiar with, is easy to do, and doesnt require any work to feel like your successful.

Be happy and be a winner.

Novus Ordo Seclorus.

turn items off, and the beginner literally has NO chance against a veteran

its not like soul caliber, where a veteran can get beaten by a button-masher who has never played the game before

JB730

So it should be totally impossible to win against anybody who's played longer, ever? Sounds like an MMO. Veteran's can get beaten by button mashers in Soul Calibur because the inputs aren't too fussy and the player isn't thinking. If you are really a pro you will never get beaten by a button masher in SC.

No, its just because its something that everyone is familiar with, is easy to do, and doesnt require any work to feel like your successful.

Be happy and be a winner.

Novus Ordo Seclorus.

evilross

Wow, it speaks latin!

Now, why did you decide to speak that particular piece of latin, other than to make yourself sound smart?

Also, what the hell was the english part of your post about, either?

If you play with ITEMS. If you want competitive skilled fighting, you play without them.

Items give a sense of "anyone can win".

[QUOTE="evilross"]

No, its just because its something that everyone is familiar with, is easy to do, and doesnt require any work to feel like your successful.

Be happy and be a winner.

Novus Ordo Seclorus.

chutup

Wow, it speaks latin!

Now, why did you decide to speak that particular piece of latin, other than to make yourself sound smart?

Also, what the hell was the english part of your post about, either?

because if very nicely sums up Nintendo's idea of how to regain its once dominant share of the market without having to actually compete with its rivals.

Its actually fairly brilliant on their part from a marketing and corporate veiwpoint.

turn items off, and the beginner literally has NO chance against a veteran

its not like soul caliber, where a veteran can get beaten by a button-masher who has never played the game before

JB730

lol... no comment on that

i say TC be lucky kevin didnt give it a 8.5 for "Same gameplay;nothing really new,controls arent good" or something he "manages" to find wrong with the game(every game)...the guy who reviewed it was cool...no need to be sordid about itLinKuei_warrior

>___> Lol? XDDD

Yeeeeeeeeeeahhh right...

turn items off, and the beginner literally has NO chance against a veteran

its not like soul caliber, where a veteran can get beaten by a button-masher who has never played the game before

JB730

It's actually worse in DoA. Most people that I fought in Soul Calibur, I could beat, especially if they were new. I've never been beaten in soul calibur by a noob.

[QUOTE="JB730"]

turn items off, and the beginner literally has NO chance against a veteran

its not like soul caliber, where a veteran can get beaten by a button-masher who has never played the game before

DragonfireXZ95

It's actually worse in DoA. Most people that I fought in Soul Calibur, I could beat, especially if they were new. I've never been beaten in soul calibur by a noob.

Funny, In DoA2 no one touches me if they don't know how to play, the counter mechanic pretty much screws anyone who tries to button mash... Soul Calibur on the other hand, even though I'll win MOST of the time, agaisn't some types of button mashers I tend lose a bit...

"Incredibly well-balanced" as in no character is guaranteed a win against any other.

"in which even a brand-new player can come away the victor against a hardened veteran." as in the game is accessible enough that a new player can quickly comprehend the mechanics of the game and, as such, have a shot at winning a game against a pro.

I don't see any contradiction. Let me check again.

Nope, no contradiction.