"JRPG"'s are a joke compared to what they used to be...

Linear JRPG=insta fail.silversix_

That's strange, both Mass Effect titles are a linear mess, and Mass Effect 2 in particular, is basically a JRPG at how restricted you are there. Never mind the fact that Dragon Age 2 is the worst 'RPG' ever made.

I think RPGs are dying.. Bioware at least is dead. Obsidian, CD Projekt and Pirahna Bites (Gothic series) are one of the few devs making real RPGs.

[QUOTE="silversix_"]Agree. I've played plenty this gen and they're crap. FF13 was the best and the game isn't even that good... Linear JRPG=insta fail.Lucianu

That's strange, both Mass Effect series are a linear mess, and Mass Effect 2 is basically a JRPG at how restricted you are there. Never mind the fact that Dragon Age 2 is the worst 'RPG' ever made.

I think RPGs are dying.. Bioware at least is dead. Obsidian, CD Projekt and Pirahna Bites (Gothic series) are one of the few devs making real RPGs.

We still have monster hunter :-)

Atlus *cough* They made Illuminous Arc 2, Knights in the nightmare.... theyre both awesome games. Ok more tactical RPG's. Ermmm Konami made suikoden on the DS which is enjoyable. SE ported all FF games too DS and TWEWY and Final fantasy Tactics Advance 2 are fun games.

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[QUOTE="Dibdibdobdobo"]The Handhelds has been the place to be for JRPG's since the start of the gen.Dibdibdobdobo

Well that's the problem with jrpgs this gen. They moved onto inferior platforms.

Inferior platforms offering superior gameplay. Totally makes sense. AYE?!

Well they don't offer superior gameplay. A tiny screen with poor controls, that's why they're inferior. They're just good for what they are, portable gaming but when I'm home they don't have a chance against my machine, with the big screen, keyboard/mouse and gamepad.

We still have monster hunter :-)

Atlus *cough* They made Illuminous Arc 2, Knights in the nightmare.... theyre both awesome games. Ok more tactical RPG's. Ermmm Konami made suikoden on the DS which is enjoyable. SE ported all FF games too DS and TWEWY and Final fantasy Tactics Advance 2 are fun games.

Dibdibdobdobo

Can't front, i know a ton of quality RPGs are released on handhelds. Its to bad i have no interesting in handheld gaming.. Because wen i'm out or i'm on the go, i don't play games.

I have enough time to play at home, wen i'm on the go i do stuff in life..

I enjoy the JRPGs this gen. Sure there are less on consoles than last gen, but there are tons on handhelds ^^

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[QUOTE="edidili"]

Well that's the problem with jrpgs this gen. They moved onto inferior platforms.

edidili

Inferior platforms offering superior gameplay. Totally makes sense. AYE?!

Well they don't offer superior gameplay. A tiny screen with poor controls, that's why they're inferior. They're just good for what they are, portable gaming but when I'm home they don't have a chance against my machine, with the big screen, keyboard/mouse and gamepad.

In JRPG's the DS has offered superior gameplay !! go play KNights in the nightmare or some more of Atlus's stuff.

The Tiny screen and poor controls?! The only thing out of those 2 comments which is correct is Tiny screen as its a handheld device *DUH*.

Poor controls is wrong i'll use knights in the nightmareas a example of a DS game with good controls and uses touchscreen too.

superior gameplay isnt gonna change when its on big TV, gamepad!! Sad i know.

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We still have monster hunter :-)

Atlus *cough* They made Illuminous Arc 2, Knights in the nightmare.... theyre both awesome games. Ok more tactical RPG's. Ermmm Konami made suikoden on the DS which is enjoyable. SE ported all FF games too DS and TWEWY and Final fantasy Tactics Advance 2 are fun games.

Lucianu

Can't front, i know a ton of quality RPGs are released on handhelds. Its to bad i have no interesting in handheld gaming.. Because wen i'm out or i'm on the go, i don't play games.

I have enough time to play at home, wen i'm on the go i do stuff in life..

I've owned a handheld since GBC. When the GBA was released i brought it mainly for FFTA and brought the DS for FFTA2.

I can understand what you mean as its not for everyone. I mainly game on handhelds when nothing is on TV and cannot be bothered to turn console on lol.

I´ll tell you,most WRPG´s aren´t anywhere near as good as they were as well.

I´ll tell you,most WRPG´s aren´t anywhere near as good as they were as well.

Arach666

It is very strange why the absolute height of story in a RPG remains Planescape Torment, which is over a decade old.

Unfortunately I missed the opportunity to play those greats when they were originally released, however I'll agree this generation hasn't been as good as the last few in the jRPG department as far as both quality & quantity. With that said, NIER is one of my favourite jRPGs of all time, possibly my favourite. However, a lot don't seem to like it so it's probably just me.

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I´ll tell you,most WRPG´s aren´t anywhere near as good as they were as well.

Lucianu

It is very strange why the absolute height of story in a RPG remains Planescape Torment, which is over a decade old.

It´s sad,that´s for sure. Arach666

Or Deus Ex's countless ways to progress trough a situation in your enviorements. Like for example, you come forth a locked door -> There's at least 4 - 5 ways to go around it.

Sometimes i wonder and dream of a game with Deus Ex's choices and non-linear progression, and a story of the depth of Planescape, all nicely combined in Crysis's engine.

That would be the greatest game ever created .. It would probably destroy the minds of humans..

[QUOTE="Arach666"] It´s sad,that´s for sure. Lucianu

Or Deus Ex's countless ways to progress trough a situation in your enviorements. Like for example, you come forth a locked door -> There's at least 4 - 5 ways to go around it.

Sometimes i wonder and dream of a game with Deus Ex's choices and non-linear progression, and a story of the depth of Planescape, all nicely combined in Crysis's engine.

That would be the greatest game ever created .. It would probably destroy the minds of humans..

A game like that would cost a lot of money and would take a long time to make,and,considering the gaming trends of the last few years,it probably wouldn´t appeal to a large number of gamers to justify the effort and the investment,but who knows...

Meanwhile,E.Y.E is looking very interesting and should appeal to the fans of the first DX. I´m pretty excited myself.

Well,we can only hope that DX3 delivers,though I´m very cautious about it after the train wreck that was IW,even though this is being done by a diferent dev. But from what I´ve seen,I´m a bit worried to be honest,though I´m sure it´ll be a good game,but most likely not a classic like the first.

A game like that would cost a lot of money and would take a long time to make,and,considering the gaming trends of the last few years,it probably wouldn´t appeal to a large number of gamers to justify the effort and the investment,but who knows...

Meanwhile,E.Y.E is looking very interesting and should appeal to the fans of the first DX. I´m pretty excited myself.

Arach666

I don't think there is a legitimit reason to be worried about DX3, simply because they listened to the complaints about the yellow highlight and made it optional. That alone, proves to me that they really want this game to be a true representation of what Deus Ex is... If they succeed.. that would be cool. Now i hate those horrible ways you 'silently' kill people, as if you're showing off, if i think about it.. I honestly don't know what the heck were they thinking.

It's the same for WRPG's

spookykid143

I've played Tales of Vesperia, the World Ends with You, Lost Oddesy and those games are jokes compared to Final Fantast 6, Chrono Trigger, Panzer Dragoon Saga.

Pray_to_me

You've gotta be kidding me, Tales of Vesperia is one of the best JRPGs of all time.

JRPG's are still fun as hell in my books.Randoggy

I couldn't have put it better myself, it's as simple as that, they're really fun. JRPGs like Tales of Vesperia, Star Ocean 4, White Knight Chronicles, Kingdom Hearts, Dark Cloud and Crisis Core have all got original battle systems that are really fun and dynamic.

[QUOTE="Pray_to_me"]

I've played Tales of Vesperia, the World Ends with You, Lost Oddesy and those games are jokes compared to Final Fantast 6, Chrono Trigger, Panzer Dragoon Saga.

You've gotta be kidding me, Tales of Vesperia is one of the best JRPGs of all time.

JRPG's are still fun as hell in my books.Randoggy

I couldn't have put it better myself, it's as simple as that, they're really fun. JRPGs like Tales of Vesperia, Star Ocean 4, White Knight Chronicles, Kingdom Hearts, Dark Cloud and Crisis Core have all got original battle systems that are really fun and dynamic.

i think they still are great games, but not the awesome games they used to be

Kingdom Hearts came out this Gen? Original battle systems? Crisis Core came out this gen?Captainqwark10

Kingdom Hearts and Crisis core are both pretty modern JRPGs. They follow the more recent trend of JRPGs where the focus is on story telling. Yes original battle system, each of the JRPGs I mentioned have their own unique feel. The combat in JRPGs like Crisis Core and Tales of Vesperia are just REALLY fun, and that's all that really matters.

Consoles are a joke in the JRPG department. The Handhelds has been the place to be for JRPG's since the start of the gen.Dibdibdobdobo

A joke? Surely that's a hyperbole right?:?

[QUOTE="Arach666"] It´s sad,that´s for sure. Lucianu

Or Deus Ex's countless ways to progress trough a situation in your enviorements. Like for example, you come forth a locked door -> There's at least 4 - 5 ways to go around it.

Sometimes i wonder and dream of a game with Deus Ex's choices and non-linear progression, and a story of the depth of Planescape, all nicely combined in Crysis's engine.

That would be the greatest game ever created .. It would probably destroy the minds of humans..

It surely won't happen with consoles holding back such ideas nowadays.:P Then again who knows, if the budget is there for such a project to be accomplished then man, I'd pay $500 for that game!:o So many ways to complete the game!

[QUOTE="Arach666"] It´s sad,that´s for sure. Lucianu

Or Deus Ex's countless ways to progress trough a situation in your enviorements. Like for example, you come forth a locked door -> There's at least 4 - 5 ways to go around it.

Sometimes i wonder and dream of a game with Deus Ex's choices and non-linear progression, and a story of the depth of Planescape, all nicely combined in Crysis's engine.

That would be the greatest game ever created .. It would probably destroy the minds of humans..

JRPGs these days are still fun to play although they're not as fun as they used to be

I find it funny you say that... since the JRPG genre hasn't really changed much over the years. Only Final Fantasy has gone down hill.

If they ever make another KOTOR, then you might be in luck.gaming25

If they ever make another KOTOR, then you might be in luck.gaming25

No joke, i love KOTOR, i've played it two times, with and without mods. Loved the story, characters, settings, ending was incredible, and this is coming from someone that hates the Star Wars franchise.

With that said, its so inferior compared to Deus Ex, let alone Planescape, its not even comparable.. and i played those two after playing KOTOR ...

Its just not even comparable.

I will see this thread again in 20 years from now.

"I miss the old JRPs, we had plenity of gems back int he PS2, PS3 era" :roll:

I´ll tell you,most WRPG´s aren´t anywhere near as good as they were as well.

Arach666

Yeah I agree... While I was never the biggest WRPG fan, I really enjoyed a good deal of some of the older ones... I can't stand newer WRPGs though...Other than ME1... (yeah call me crazy, I liked the first ME but did not care for the second one)

It is true that the selection of JRPGs these days is poor.

i agree, it seem like i'm gonna give up on the genre all together, except for valkyria chronicles there hasn't been anything that hold my interest. games like persona, twewy or the tales series never did anything for me

[QUOTE="Dibdibdobdobo"]Consoles are a joke in the JRPG department. The Handhelds has been the place to be for JRPG's since the start of the gen.sanim02

A joke? Surely that's a hyperbole right?:?

Dont get what you mean with the Hyperbole comment?!

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[QUOTE="Dibdibdobdobo"]Consoles are a joke in the JRPG department. The Handhelds has been the place to be for JRPG's since the start of the gen.Dibdibdobdobo

A joke? Surely that's a hyperbole right?:?

Dont get what you mean with the Hyperbole comment?!

I don't understand the extra exclamation point, but that's alright!:P

There have been great JRPG's on consoles, surely not as many awesome ones as on handhelds (then again VC is top tier), however that just debunks the idea of them being a joke. Now if it didn't have any at all or really sub-par ones only, then I'd agree but there are very good JRPG's on the PS3/360 and hell the Wii got Last Story and soon Xenoblade!:) Probably not many, but it doesn't mean they are a joke!

Yeah, yeah, yeah, JRPGs used to be good, just like FPS used to be better back in the days, just like Horror Games, just like (insert any other genre):roll:

Now if ou excuse me i'm going to enjoy classic games as well as new games.

madsnakehhh

Well said.

Lost Odyssey is a great game. I wonder if people who say they didn't like it and actually like JRPGs really did play it.

Back in 1997 JPG's were adult, now they are for children .

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, JRPGs used to be good, just like FPS used to be better back in the days, just like Horror Games, just like (insert any other genre):roll:

Now if ou excuse me i'm going to enjoy classic games as well as new games.

daledoback

Well said.

Lost Odyssey is a great game. I wonder if people who say they didn't like it and actually like JRPGs really did play it.

Most people just want to play FFVI or Chrono Trigger again and again, granted, they are some of the best JRPGs ever made, but that doesn't mean there aren't any good JRPGs now, i actually find funny how they complain about same old same old, but devour every Halo, every CoD and every Shooter year after year, but yeah, JRPGs aren't original anymore :roll:

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, JRPGs used to be good, just like FPS used to be better back in the days, just like Horror Games, just like (insert any other genre):roll:

Now if ou excuse me i'm going to enjoy ****c games as well as new games.

madsnakehhh

Well said.

Lost Odyssey is a great game. I wonder if people who say they didn't like it and actually like JRPGs really did play it.

Most people just want to play FFVI or Chrono Trigger again and again, granted, they are some of the best JRPGs ever made, but that doesn't mean there aren't any good JRPGs now, i actually find funny how they complain about same old same old, but devour every Halo, every CoD and every Shooter year after year, but yeah, JRPGs aren't original anymore :roll:

In fact,I am thinking of giving up single-player for a while (until the AI in many games improves) and sticking to just co-op and multiplayer. Long ago, especially in the late 90s, seeing all kinds of new, 3D animations for what was possible with AI in games was incredible, but now it feels very outdated. Besides, gaming in general, be it chess, checkers, Monopoly, or sports games, are all normally played with real people. Guess that video games were never fit enough to deliver well with NPCs alone. The only solution that I see to this problem is containing both players and NPCs, which would be more like co-op than single-player.

Back in those good old JRPG days western RPG games were a joke on consoles, oh wait, consoles were too weak to play WRPG's back then. The one example that proves JRPG's have a future is Demon's Souls, which in my humble opinion, is the best RPG of this generation. (I liked Oblivion and Mass Effect series too)

I've played Tales of Vesperia, the World Ends with You, Lost Oddesy and those games are jokes compared to Final Fantast 6, Chrono Trigger, Panzer Dragoon Saga.

Even Valkeria Chronicles was good but compared to the greats I just mentioned was barely noteworthy.

Back in the day Jrpgs weren't great because they had great characters, great story, great gameplay. Todays Jrpgs feel boring and shallow like a saturday morning Anime.

Pray_to_me

say what? valkyria chronicals was outstanding. one of the best games this generation.

besides that, we have pokemon black which is also outstanding. and I'm not a personal fan of demons souls, but I can acknowledge it as an outstanding game.

a new paper mario is coming out soon, which I'm sure will be incredible and be one of my favorite games ever :D

not to mention this gen we have criminally underrated games like NIER for example. the point is, we have had many great - outstanding jrpg's this gen. (although A LOT of them are on the ds)

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Yet people still like games that have the save the X story line. Why would I want co-op in my story focused rpg. Thats like asking for co-op in ME or dragon age. Also there has been different types of gameplay to jrpgs and mechanics. Thats why there are sub genras like strategy jrpgs like disgea and valkyria chroinicals. Hell look at the TWEWY.

finalfantasy94

And the only thing hindering on the innovation of game developers is themselves for not taking any risks, especially when it comes to offering some interesting alternatives, like multiplayer or co-op in an RPG. Sure, it may take time before such ideas are implemented well, but that's exactly how every genre and idea starts off at first. It's nothing more than a speck of dust, before it grows into something very profitable and fun. That is the nature of creativity in all mediums (i.e. literature, cinema, TV, radio, theater, music, etc.) , not just video games.

imo co-op can only work in certain types of games. In a rpg aspect I only seeing it work well in dungion crawlers/loot collecting games. Something like xmen legends. Mainly cause those types of games can get pretty lonely and boring to certain people when its just them.

One of the major problems for me in regard to JRPGs are the constant focus on kid protagonists. My teenage years are long behind me and I cannot relate to teenagers very much at all anymore. It takes a really special game to break through this barrier, as the Persona games do for me.

That being said, melodrama and terrible voice acting really don't do any favors for this genre either.

[QUOTE="Pray_to_me"]

I've played Tales of Vesperia, the World Ends with You, Lost Oddesy and those games are jokes compared to Final Fantast 6, Chrono Trigger, Panzer Dragoon Saga.

Even Valkeria Chronicles was good but compared to the greats I just mentioned was barely noteworthy.

Back in the day Jrpgs weren't great because they had great characters, great story, great gameplay. Todays Jrpgs feel boring and shallow like a saturday morning Anime.

theuncharted34

say what? valkyria chronicals was outstanding. one of the best games this generation.

besides that, we have pokemon black which is also outstanding. and I'm not a personal fan of demons souls, but I can acknowledge it as an outstanding game.

a new paper mario is coming out soon, which I'm sure will be incredible and be one of my favorite games ever :D

not to mention this gen we have criminally underrated games like NIER for example. the point is, we have had many great - outstanding jrpg's this gen. (although A LOT of them are on the ds)

[QUOTE="madsnakehhh"]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, JRPGs used to be good, just like FPS used to be better back in the days, just like Horror Games, just like (insert any other genre):roll:

Now if ou excuse me i'm going to enjoy classic games as well as new games.

daledoback

Well said.

Lost Odyssey is a great game. I wonder if people who say they didn't like it and actually like JRPGs really did play it.

I played LO and didn't like it, and I like JRPGs....

It might have something to do with the Japanese culture's obsession with highschool girls and loli content. I don't know, but Japan is pretty perverted when compared to other countries like USA, etc. Y

One of the major problems for me in regard to JRPGs are the constant focus on kid protagonists. My teenage years are long behind me and I cannot relate to teenagers very much at all anymore. It takes a really special game to break through this barrier, as the Persona games do for me.

That being said, melodrama and terrible voice acting really don't do any favors for this genre either.

drochnathair

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One of the major problems for me in regard to JRPGs are the constant focus on kid protagonists. My teenage years are long behind me and I cannot relate to teenagers very much at all anymore. It takes a really special game to break through this barrier, as the Persona games do for me.

That being said, melodrama and terrible voice acting really don't do any favors for this genre either.

Mawy_Golomb

I think your mistaking the "otaku" culture with Japanese culture. Otaku are disliked here as much as they are in Japan.

same thing with Anime OP, its boring today, cute girls doing cute things

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[QUOTE="Pray_to_me"]

I've played Tales of Vesperia, the World Ends with You, Lost Oddesy and those games are jokes compared to Final Fantast 6, Chrono Trigger, Panzer Dragoon Saga.

Even Valkeria Chronicles was good but compared to the greats I just mentioned was barely noteworthy.

Back in the day Jrpgs weren't great because they had great characters, great story, great gameplay. Todays Jrpgs feel boring and shallow like a saturday morning Anime.

Captainqwark10

say what? valkyria chronicals was outstanding. one of the best games this generation.

besides that, we have pokemon black which is also outstanding. and I'm not a personal fan of demons souls, but I can acknowledge it as an outstanding game.

a new paper mario is coming out soon, which I'm sure will be incredible and be one of my favorite games ever :D

not to mention this gen we have criminally underrated games like NIER for example. the point is, we have had many great - outstanding jrpg's this gen. (although A LOT of them are on the ds)

you haven't played pokemon white or black so you have no idea about the improvements to the formula, or how it has a much better soundtrack than the past 2 generations of the pokemon games. in general it's the best one since gold and silver.

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World Ends with you had much more engaging combat to me then most of yesterdays RPGs. Chrono Trigger is awesome but I don't understand peoples exessive love of it. That game is standard RPG fair for the ENTIRE FIRST HALF. It only turns into something special on the second half before it becomes open. Beofre that it was just good.

AzatiS

I played CT last year for the first time so I am not in much of a different position then you. This game is flat out overated in how much better it is then every other JRPG. It is one of my favourite RPGs no doubt but that games entire first half is so standard fair its not even funny and some of it is straight up not fun. Its writing, concepts and graphical themes are flat out inspiring, its pacing and its combat however leave something to be desired. That battle system is straight up plain, a lot of more recent RPGs piss all over CT in gameplay. The second half of chrono trigger is incredible. Probably the best end game ever but if given the choice I would skip the entire first half of the game in a heart beat because its nothing special.

same thing with Anime OP, its boring today, cute girls doing cute things

*SNIP TERRIFYING ANIME IMAGE*

HaloinventedFPS

I didn't want to quote it again due to paralyzing fear, but I'd just like to state that that image is everything that's horrible about anime in a nutshell.

It's the same for WRPG's

spookykid143