I Think That this "KZ2 AI is Dumb" Business needs to die, if not already dead :D
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I Think That this "KZ2 AI is Dumb" Business needs to die, if not already dead :D
Faulttt
necrovision>>killzone2
[QUOTE="Faulttt"]I Think That this "KZ2 AI is Dumb" Business needs to die, if not already dead :D
bigmonkeyman420
necrovision>>killzone2
No Doom 4 > Killzone 2 and in last necrovision because noone wants a cheesy looking world war 1 demon game with the worst looking graphics everthe jumping character doesn't shoot. and the guy in the back whos close to the grenade now isn't moving at all. Doesn't seem to care he's about to die.
I Think That this "KZ2 AI is Dumb" Business needs to die, if not already dead :D
Faulttt
I believe the dumb AI they were referring to are your squad teammate AI. That's why coop would've been so nice.one_on_oneVery true. Why is that partner AI seems to be always dumb? Or well... in most games anyway. Dom, I'm looking at you.
[QUOTE="bigmonkeyman420"][QUOTE="Faulttt"]I Think That this "KZ2 AI is Dumb" Business needs to die, if not already dead :D
Diviniuz
necrovision>>killzone2
No Doom 4 > Killzone 2 and in last necrovision because noone wants a cheesy looking world war 1 demon game with the worst looking graphics everlol the graphics are easily better than killzone2 plus more enemys on screen.
yea killzone2 isnt cheesy with darth vader enemys with christmas lights as eyes
[QUOTE="Diviniuz"][QUOTE="bigmonkeyman420"]No Doom 4 > Killzone 2 and in last necrovision because noone wants a cheesy looking world war 1 demon game with the worst looking graphics evernecrovision>>killzone2
bigmonkeyman420
lol the graphics are easily better than killzone2 plus more enemys on screen.
yea killzone2 isnt cheesy with darth vader enemys with christmas lights as eyes
"dsfsdfsdfsdffdg" is that you? It has to be, your the only person who cares about that necrovision trash. Seriously that game looks horrible.
Anyways the gif does not prove anything. It also does not really matter because the ENEMY* AI has already been praised.
It is your team members AI that was in question.
[QUOTE="Angry_PolarBear"]Previews say that enemy A.I is extremely well done, it's the ally A.I that's weak.mitu123Yeah, in one video, I saw one teammate getting shot and didn't even fight back(that much).
Can you provide a link on that one? I have not seen it.
Yeah, in one video, I saw one teammate getting shot and didn't even fight back(that much).[QUOTE="mitu123"][QUOTE="Angry_PolarBear"]Previews say that enemy A.I is extremely well done, it's the ally A.I that's weak.Lewisite
Can you provide a link on that one? I have not seen it.
I think the video was on youtube or gametrailers, I have to find it. I do remember your ally crouching and getting shot without doing much, I'll try to find it, plus some previews complained about the ally a.i.[QUOTE="Lewisite"][QUOTE="mitu123"]Yeah, in one video, I saw one teammate getting shot and didn't even fight back(that much).mitu123
Can you provide a link on that one? I have not seen it.
I think the video was on youtube or gametrailers, I have to find it. I do remember your ally crouching and getting shot without doing much, I'll try to find it, plus some previews complained about the ally a.i.I do not doubt you, I would just like to see it myself.
And yes I am aware about the ally AI issues, it is something I hope they tweak a bit before the game is released. However I have been hearing great things about the enemy AI from previewers.
[QUOTE="Diviniuz"][QUOTE="bigmonkeyman420"]No Doom 4 > Killzone 2 and in last necrovision because noone wants a cheesy looking world war 1 demon game with the worst looking graphics evernecrovision>>killzone2
bigmonkeyman420
lol the graphics are easily better than killzone2 plus more enemys on screen.
yea killzone2 isnt cheesy with darth vader enemys with christmas lights as eyes
Do you have eyes? Have you looked at Necrovision? The game looks flat out terrible not only that, limps fall off before the sword slices through the body. It just seems that you are a fanboy because I am a FPSer and I can tell you that I have no reason to hate on necrovision unless I truely thought it looked bad. It really looks bad.[QUOTE="one_on_one"]I believe the dumb AI they were referring to are your squad teammate AI. That's why coop would've been so nice.carljohnson3456Very true. Why is that partner AI seems to be always dumb? Or well... in most games anyway. Dom, I'm looking at you. Oh my god, I can go on about dom for hours. He is officially my most hated character in gears simply because of his horrid ai. Every other squad ai was somewhat competent but Dom was a downright idiot at times. Like today I was downed by the locust and started crawling toward Dom (Tai and Carmine were too far) and not only was he not shooting or bother to run towards me for a revival as-per-usual, he just let me die right at his feet after letting me bleed out. I've got many more.
[QUOTE="carljohnson3456"][QUOTE="one_on_one"]I believe the dumb AI they were referring to are your squad teammate AI. That's why coop would've been so nice.El-VisitanteVery true. Why is that partner AI seems to be always dumb? Or well... in most games anyway. Dom, I'm looking at you. Oh my god, I can go on about dom for hours. He is officially my most hated character in gears simply because of his horrid ai. Every other squad ai was somewhat competent but Dom was a downright idiot at times. Like today I was downed by the locust and started crawling toward Dom (Tai and Carmine were too far) and not only was he not shooting or bother to run towards me for a revival as-per-usual, he just let me die right at his feet after letting me bleed out. I've got many more.
lol please tell more of these moments
[QUOTE="carljohnson3456"][QUOTE="one_on_one"]I believe the dumb AI they were referring to are your squad teammate AI. That's why coop would've been so nice.El-VisitanteVery true. Why is that partner AI seems to be always dumb? Or well... in most games anyway. Dom, I'm looking at you. Oh my god, I can go on about dom for hours. He is officially my most hated character in gears simply because of his horrid ai. Every other squad ai was somewhat competent but Dom was a downright idiot at times. Like today I was downed by the locust and started crawling toward Dom (Tai and Carmine were too far) and not only was he not shooting or bother to run towards me for a revival as-per-usual, he just let me die right at his feet after letting me bleed out. I've got many more. LMFAO!..so funny, yet so true...the guys a monkeys butt. i think it happens with most of the guys, depending who your close too.
[QUOTE="Faulttt"]the jumping character doesn't shoot. and the guy in the back whos close to the grenade now isn't moving at all. Doesn't seem to care he's about to die.
I Think That this "KZ2 AI is Dumb" Business needs to die, if not already dead :D
dotWithShoes
I noticed that too. Before the grenade is thrown, they just seem to be standing there not doing anything and when the grenade is thrown, the second guy still isn't doing anything.
lol look from 2:44 to 2:56:lol: that helghast just jumps over the barrier and waits to die:?.I found the vid, it's the final build and 3:16 I believe:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfwdBjjKDZU
mitu123
I Think That this "KZ2 AI is Dumb" Business needs to die, if not already dead :D
the jumping character doesn't shoot. that's because the gif ends as the jumping guy aims his weapon.[QUOTE="mitu123"]lol look from 2:44 to 2:56:lol: that helghast just jumps over the barrier and waits to die:?. Actually I was upset with the player, he has to be the worst FPSer of all time. Have you seen his shots? 90% are misses its sad!I found the vid, it's the final build and 3:16 I believe:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfwdBjjKDZU
El-Visitante
[QUOTE="El-Visitante"][QUOTE="mitu123"]lol look from 2:44 to 2:56:lol: that helghast just jumps over the barrier and waits to die:?. Actually I was upset with the player, he has to be the worst FPSer of all time. Have you seen his shots? 90% are misses its sad! Definitely, but that bit bothered me a lot as it was apparently the final build.I found the vid, it's the final build and 3:16 I believe:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfwdBjjKDZU
Diviniuz
[QUOTE="Diviniuz"][QUOTE="El-Visitante"]lol look from 2:44 to 2:56:lol: that helghast just jumps over the barrier and waits to die:?.El-VisitanteActually I was upset with the player, he has to be the worst FPSer of all time. Have you seen his shots? 90% are misses its sad! Definitely, but that bit bothered me a lot as it was apparently the final build. Check this Video out from IGN about the Final Build,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIo6SszIiFg
It is imo a lot better than that one.
Gonna have to disagree with you there. The player still isnt getting shot in your 4 second gif, busted. There are plenty of examples of the ai being clueless anyways, try again.hopesfall2ownWho's going to shoot him in the 3 second gif? The one is rolling out of the way and the one behind him is fighting someone else.
Definitely, but that bit bothered me a lot as it was apparently the final build. Check this Video out from IGN about the Final Build,[QUOTE="El-Visitante"][QUOTE="Diviniuz"] Actually I was upset with the player, he has to be the worst FPSer of all time. Have you seen his shots? 90% are misses its sad!Diviniuz
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIo6SszIiFg
It is imo a lot better than that one.
That's the exact same video I was talking about. Note the time span that I mentioned and you'll see what I mean.Dodging grenades and going into cover at the right times has been done since Halo CE at least. It's really disappointing that AI hasn't come much further on most mainstream fps the past 8 years. The saddest point lately was probably COD4, where the AI would get it's ass kicked by halo CE AI all day.
That's not saying KZ2 has no good AI though. If it's being praised in previews I'm sure it's good.
well u haven't played it to see how the A.I acts in every situation, so lets be far..as for progression in A.I over the years...what do you want the A.I to do, backflips and summersaults to dodge bullets and grenades...maybe blow you kisses?Dodging grenades and going into cover at the right times has been done since Halo CE at least. It's really disappointing that AI hasn't come much further on most mainstream fps the past 8 years. The saddest point lately was probably COD4, where the AI would get it's ass kicked by halo CE AI all day.
That's not saying KZ2 has no good AI though. If it's being praised in previews I'm sure it's good.
11Marcel
[QUOTE="11Marcel"]well u haven't played it to see how the A.I acts in every situation, so lets be far..as for progression in A.I over the years...what do you want the A.I to do, backflips and summersaults to dodge bullets and grenades...maybe blow you kisses? I said that I'm not saying KZ2 AI is bad. Of course I don't know how good it is.Dodging grenades and going into cover at the right times has been done since Halo CE at least. It's really disappointing that AI hasn't come much further on most mainstream fps the past 8 years. The saddest point lately was probably COD4, where the AI would get it's ass kicked by halo CE AI all day.
That's not saying KZ2 has no good AI though. If it's being praised in previews I'm sure it's good.
Eyezonmii
About what I want the AI to do... well, I'd want them to behave like normal soldiers do. Working in a team, trying to flank me, give cover for teammates etc. The reality in COD4 is that my teammates are standing in an open field surrounded by 10 enemies while doing nothing. Enemies always follow the same script, regardless of your actions. They'll never try to flank you or help out teammates. It takes away a lot of the challenge, and a lot of the realism.
I believe the dumb AI they were referring to are your squad teammate AI. That's why coop would've been so nice.one_on_one
Squadmate AI has to be bad, because if they could easily beat your enemies, there wouldn't be much point playing the game. This is true of just about any shooter involving squadmates.
Back on topic...I remember another Killzone 2 gif, involving the player knifing an enemy - the enemy turns to the player, turns back to the wall, and then gets stabbed a few times without reacting. Anyone got that?
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