"The Wii is a toy, not a console."

Found this interesting article on Eurogamer where Beambox founder and ex-BioWare dev, Trent Oster disses the Wii and Nintendo.

I didn't know Nintendo had stingy requirements like that. Withholding payment till 6000 copies are sold? :S

What say SW on this?

The more important part is where he says "Nintendo isn't a good platform for developers"

TSHBFO.

But you can play with toys?

Whenever someone says that, I wonder if they have ever heard of an "adult toy", or more commonly, "sex toy". I find it funny when the word "toy" is conflated to childhood, or children... as if "adult" is a term of approval.Zeviander

and the Xbox 360 and PS3 are not?

LOL the only system that can't really be called a toy is the PC because it's mostly used as a tool if anything. But I've heard that Tools can be called "Toys" too.

Developers should just say they hate Nintendo and go on with life.

According to many developers, the Wii's online store had a very small file-size limit and Nintendo's online policy was very strict/poor. These are the guys who did the MDK2 remake/port for the Wii.

even real cars, boats and planes can be considered as toys under certain circumstances , all consoles are definitely toys imo , the wii is just a less powerful toy compared to the others , thats porbably what the bioware guy ment AmnesiaHaze

I don't know why companies don't bend over backwards more to make developers happy.

See, now Nintendo's 'my way or the highway' attitude has alienated a developer to the point they don't want to work with the company again.

The Man-Child nature of developers is rather amusing. What makes a video game console manly for them to develope for?

I don't know why companies don't bend over backwards more to make developers happy.

See, now Nintendo's 'my way or the highway' attitude has alienated a developer to the point they don't want to work with the company again.

HalcyonScarlet

Why should Nintendo, Sony, and MS bend over for developers? Their job is to sell the product to the consumers and make them happy. Not the other way around.

I love me some toys!

I don't know why companies don't bend over backwards more to make developers happy.

See, now Nintendo's 'my way or the highway' attitude has alienated a developer to the point they don't want to work with the company again.

HalcyonScarlet

Whenever someone says that, I wonder if they have ever heard of an "adult toy", or more commonly, "sex toy". I find it funny when the word "toy" is conflated to childhood, or children... as if "adult" is a term of approval.Zeviander

[QUOTE="Zeviander"]Whenever someone says that, I wonder if they have ever heard of an "adult toy", or more commonly, "sex toy". I find it funny when the word "toy" is conflated to childhood, or children... as if "adult" is a term of approval.charlesdarwin55

[QUOTE="charlesdarwin55"]

[QUOTE="Zeviander"]Whenever someone says that, I wonder if they have ever heard of an "adult toy", or more commonly, "sex toy". I find it funny when the word "toy" is conflated to childhood, or children... as if "adult" is a term of approval.Stinger78

Don't remember

[QUOTE="Zeviander"]Whenever someone says that, I wonder if they have ever heard of an "adult toy", or more commonly, "sex toy". I find it funny when the word "toy" is conflated to childhood, or children... as if "adult" is a term of approval.charlesdarwin55

All consoles are toys, as are games.

I usually think of something like a guitar (unless you play professionally) or a motorcycle as a toy as well. I mean, if you buy something to attain casual pleasure from it, and it isn't useful outside of providing that sense of pleasure, it is a toy, no?

[QUOTE="HalcyonScarlet"]

I don't know why companies don't bend over backwards more to make developers happy.

See, now Nintendo's 'my way or the highway' attitude has alienated a developer to the point they don't want to work with the company again.

FireEmblem_Man

Why should Nintendo, Sony, and MS bend over for developers? Their job is to sell the product to the consumers and make them happy. Not the other way around.

But they are also competing with each other. So if they keep devs happy and make life easier, they will have more products to compete with. If the competition is getting the developers because you are being too strict, you are going to have problems.

It's not just about keeping the consumers happy, because it's more of a partnership with different parties that bring these products to market.

[QUOTE="FireEmblem_Man"]

[QUOTE="HalcyonScarlet"]

I don't know why companies don't bend over backwards more to make developers happy.

See, now Nintendo's 'my way or the highway' attitude has alienated a developer to the point they don't want to work with the company again.

HalcyonScarlet

Why should Nintendo, Sony, and MS bend over for developers? Their job is to sell the product to the consumers and make them happy. Not the other way around.

But they are also competing with each other. So if they keep devs happy and make life easier, they will have more products to compete with. If the competition is getting the developers because you are being too strict, you are going to have problems.

It's not just about keeping the consumers happy, because it's more of a partnership with different parties that bring these products to market.

[QUOTE="HalcyonScarlet"]

I don't know why companies don't bend over backwards more to make developers happy.

See, now Nintendo's 'my way or the highway' attitude has alienated a developer to the point they don't want to work with the company again.

MFDOOM1983

Having a threshold (6000 sales) with the Wii probably isn't a good idea because of their poor online deployment. With Steam, XBL and Playstation store, they could probably do that and it'd work.

[QUOTE="charlesdarwin55"]

[QUOTE="Zeviander"]Whenever someone says that, I wonder if they have ever heard of an "adult toy", or more commonly, "sex toy". I find it funny when the word "toy" is conflated to childhood, or children... as if "adult" is a term of approval.Stinger78

these guys just mad their game sold like sh$t on the wii and nintendo didnt want to pay them.

these guys just mad their game sold like sh$t on the wii and nintendo didnt want to pay them.

KBFloYd

That's a pretty good reason to be angry.

[QUOTE="KBFloYd"]

these guys just mad their game sold like sh$t on the wii and nintendo didnt want to pay them.

waltefmoney

That's a pretty good reason to be angry.

yea but then you turn troll and call it a toy? when gaming is about playing games? wth.

[QUOTE="HalcyonScarlet"]

I don't know why companies don't bend over backwards more to make developers happy.

See, now Nintendo's 'my way or the highway' attitude has alienated a developer to the point they don't want to work with the company again.

MFDOOM1983

Nintendo doesn't support DLC, as it is right now. I can see why a developer would not want to do business with them. Release a complete game? HA.

ITT: people b!tching semantics like there's no tomorrow.

An egg roll is food, not food.

Nintendo doesn't support DLC, as it is right now. I can see why a developer would not want to do business with them. Release a complete game? HA.

Heirren

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

Nintendo doesn't support DLC, as it is right now. I can see why a developer would not want to do business with them. Release a complete game? HA.

MFDOOM1983

Please elaborate. I could be wrong, but I don't see COD-style dlc in any nintendo game. Developers, I'm sure, love that consumer are willing to buy that stuff like crazy.

[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"][QUOTE="HalcyonScarlet"]

I don't know why companies don't bend over backwards more to make developers happy.

See, now Nintendo's 'my way or the highway' attitude has alienated a developer to the point they don't want to work with the company again.

nintendoboy16

Wii u being the fourth nintendo console in a row with poor 3rd party support seems destined. Gamers will once again suffer droughts and wait 4-6 months for the next nintendo game to release. But sheep are cool with that because "they buy nintendo consoles for nintendo games".

[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"][QUOTE="Heirren"]

Nintendo doesn't support DLC, as it is right now. I can see why a developer would not want to do business with them. Release a complete game? HA.

Heirren

Please elaborate. I could be wrong, but I don't see COD-style dlc in any nintendo game. Developers, I'm sure, love that consumer are willing to buy that stuff like crazy.

I thought this was understood ?

the Wii doesn't even stack up to the PS2. If the PS2 came out this gen with motion controls and the same library it would massacre the Wii.

[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]

[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"] Nintendo doesn't care about 3rd parties(*insert kanye west pic*) and neither do their fanboys that only buy nintendo games.MFDOOM1983

Wii u being the fourth nintendo console in a row with poor 3rd party support seems destined. Gamers will once again suffer droughts and wait 4-6 months for the next nintendo game to release. But sheep are cool with that because "they buy nintendo consoles for nintendo games".

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"] Maybe you should try improving your comprehension skills, or at the very least brush up on the definitions of downloadable games and DLC. Unless you equate DD games with incomplete ones. MFDOOM1983

Please elaborate. I could be wrong, but I don't see COD-style dlc in any nintendo game. Developers, I'm sure, love that consumer are willing to buy that stuff like crazy.

The article is about the relationship between Nintendo and X developer. Stuff like dlc is going to factor into what is being said.

[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"][QUOTE="Heirren"]

Please elaborate. I could be wrong, but I don't see COD-style dlc in any nintendo game. Developers, I'm sure, love that consumer are willing to buy that stuff like crazy.

Heirren

The article is about the relationship between Nintendo and X developer. Stuff like dlc is going to factor into what is being said.

[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"]

[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]Yeah, they clearly don't care about third parties and yet they try to get support for their consoles. :roll: And why is it just Nintendo fanboys who get the blame for not buying third party products when mutliconsole owners who ALSO own Nintendo's systems do the SAME F***ING THING?!

nintendoboy16

Wii u being the fourth nintendo console in a row with poor 3rd party support seems destined. Gamers will once again suffer droughts and wait 4-6 months for the next nintendo game to release. But sheep are cool with that because "they buy nintendo consoles for nintendo games".