"Wii" Series is now the third best selling franchise of all time

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#201 ogvampire
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New kids on the block, Miley cyris, justin beiber, backstreet boys, and lady gaga, all horrendous music makers, that are completely soulless, and make the lowest form of pop music that stimulates the brain about as much as a Mcdonalds jingle in a commercial for the casual masses to gobble up. Yep, good analogy for the Wii. And just like good bands will never stop making good music, even though they arent making billions, I hope to god we never lose real developers that make real games. Somone take the creators of wii sports outside and shoot them please ;P

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this is why hardcore gamers are viewed in a negative light

thanks for continuing that trend

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#202 RushKing
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[QUOTE="chrion133"]

New kids on the block, Miley cyris, justin beiber, backstreet boys, and lady gaga, all horrendous music makers, that are completely soulless, and make the lowest form of pop music that stimulates the brain about as much as a Mcdonalds jingle in a commercial for the casual masses to gobble up. Yep, good analogy for the Wii. And just like good bands will never stop making good music, even though they arent making billions, I hope to god we never lose real developers that make real games. Somone take the creators of wii sports outside and shoot them please ;P

ogvampire

this is why hardcore gamers are viewed in a negative light

thanks for continuing that trend

We are getting threatened be casual gamers, no one is going to make any games with depth if they can just make a gimmicky casual game and sell millions. Look at what happened to the music industry.
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#203 Thunderdrone
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We are getting threatened be casual gamers, no one is going to make any games with depth if they can just make a gimmicky casual game and sell millions. Look at what happened to the music industry.RushKing
*dramatic Lord of the Rings-like music kicks in*
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#204 ogvampire
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[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

[QUOTE="chrion133"]

New kids on the block, Miley cyris, justin beiber, backstreet boys, and lady gaga, all horrendous music makers, that are completely soulless, and make the lowest form of pop music that stimulates the brain about as much as a Mcdonalds jingle in a commercial for the casual masses to gobble up. Yep, good analogy for the Wii. And just like good bands will never stop making good music, even though they arent making billions, I hope to god we never lose real developers that make real games. Somone take the creators of wii sports outside and shoot them please ;P

RushKing

this is why hardcore gamers are viewed in a negative light

thanks for continuing that trend

We are getting threatened be casual gamers, no one is going to make any games with depth if they can just make a gimmicky casual game and sell millions. Look at what happened to the music industry.

thats like the argument that since the movie Blair Witch Project cost very little to produce yet made over $100 million, studios will do those types of movies instead and stop making big-budget summer blockbusters.... has anything even close to that happened? nope.... so your argument is baseless and pure speculation

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#205 foxhound_fox
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thats like the argument that since the movie Blair Witch Project cost very little to produce yet made over $100 million, studios will do those types of movies instead and stop making big-budget summer blockbusters.... has anything even close to that happened? nope.... so your argument is baseless and pure speculationogvampire

Two words: Paranormal Activity

If anything, a well-made cheap movie that costs $15,000 and is sold by viral marketing for over $100,000,000 is a far better business model than a movie that costs $50,000,000, another $25,000,000 for advertising, and maybe makes it back.

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#206 ogvampire
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[QUOTE="ogvampire"]thats like the argument that since the movie Blair Witch Project cost very little to produce yet made over $100 million, studios will do those types of movies instead and stop making big-budget summer blockbusters.... has anything even close to that happened? nope.... so your argument is baseless and pure speculationfoxhound_fox


Two words: Paranormal Activity

If anything, a well-made cheap movie that costs $15,000 and is sold by viral marketing for over $100,000,000 is a far better business model than a movie that costs $50,000,000, another $25,000,000 for advertising, and maybe makes it back.

"Two words: Paranormal Activity"

1 movie over a decade after Blair Witch?

you really think this is a trend or a change of any kind?

"If anything, a well-made cheap movie that costs $15,000 and is sold by viral marketing for over $100,000,000 is a far better business model"

well-made cheap movies are made ALL the time... very very very few make that kind of money or anything close to that. the better business model IS the big budget blockbusters... those are way more likely to make huge profits as opposed to cheap movies which rarely make anything close to that

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#207 eveileb-ekam
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[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

[QUOTE="chrion133"]

New kids on the block, Miley cyris, justin beiber, backstreet boys, and lady gaga, all horrendous music makers, that are completely soulless, and make the lowest form of pop music that stimulates the brain about as much as a Mcdonalds jingle in a commercial for the casual masses to gobble up. Yep, good analogy for the Wii. And just like good bands will never stop making good music, even though they arent making billions, I hope to god we never lose real developers that make real games. Somone take the creators of wii sports outside and shoot them please ;P

RushKing

this is why hardcore gamers are viewed in a negative light

thanks for continuing that trend

We are getting threatened be casual gamers, no one is going to make any games with depth if they can just make a gimmicky casual game and sell millions. Look at what happened to the music industry.

Threatened? Like it hasnt been the case that mainstream appeal and consumption has driven the industry (and most other entertainment industries) since their inception? What you are worried about has already happened, and nothing has prevented core games from being made, and from selling reasonably well. What were the best selling games of each generation? Super Mario, Pokemon, Tetris, Grand Theft Auto, Halo, Call of Duty - games that appeal to the mainstream. Like I have said before, you are too preoccupied with yourself, your status and your oh so precious hobby. Let go, and get over yourself. There is a wealth of content out there to be enjoyed by everyone, and that really is how it should be. Ill find it interesting to know what you think hardcore music is.
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#208 chocolate1325
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I hate the Wii series make something else Nintendo.

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#209 surrealnumber5
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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"] Final Fantasy is hardly casual.eveileb-ekam

i beg to differ it is the RPG version of Wii sports, it has been that way since FF7

Again, stop splitting things into casual and hardcore, it simply doesnt work.

Final Fantasy is a "mainstream" JRPG, and is targetted towards a very specific audience.

i dont like to as i think both terms are meaningless but i was not the one to do that in this conversation. FF is to RPG as Wii sports is to sports games. if youre going to bash wii sports for being kiddy or casual you might as well do the same for final fantasy games

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#210 Khadaj32
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[QUOTE="farnham"]why not all the wii.. games have high quality wiisports wiiplay wiimusic wiifit wiisportsresort wiifitplus i have all of em and they are all really good gamesfoxhound_fox


I've played a handful of them and lost interest within 5-10 minutes of most of them. What formula they stand for is hurting the industry. While these games are selling hundreds of millions of copies, core games that are being made by developers who are actually doing something for the industry (by pushing the medium forward with new ideas), aside from bringing Nintendo lots of cash in hand, are be shoved aside for these much easier to make compilations, that require little to no creative effort on the part of the developer.

I don't care that they're successful, I don't care that people like them... I just care about what this mentality is ultimately going to do to the gaming industry in the long run. Go ahead, tell me I'm wrong, I'm entitled to my own opinions... I just don't like that these types of games are the ones bringing the most commercial success.

It's just that your "own" opinion is a tired old "hardcore" gamers opinion. It's silly. What amusing is that since you didn't like them, they must be bad for the industry. Is it the Wii you hate, or Nintendo in general? So revolutionary gameplay is going to hurt the gaming industry? So you actually think the hardcore gamers are the majority? They're not, and they never have been. What Nintendo has done is expand the industry, bringing in news types of gamers of different ages from all over the world. They've succeeded in appealing to the casual gamer, bringing fun gameplay to families, couples, groups, etc., and thus have pretty much secured the existence of the industry.

I want you to re-read your post and you'll undoubtedly see how silly it is. You're saying that, in your "opinion", expanding the gaming industry, attracting new demographics to the industry, and maintaining a standard set by Nintendo with their first Mario game is going to hurt the industry?

Lol.

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#211 gamedude234
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i just want all those "hardcore gamers" to answer this question:

Would you be happy if CoD was 3rd indtead of wii... series?

i know i wouldn't.

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#212 surrealnumber5
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i just want all those "hardcore gamers" to answer this question:

Would you be happy if CoD was 3rd indtead of wii... series?

i know i wouldn't.

gamedude234
maybe if you remove the last 3 CoD games, even still it would just be a generic shooter
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#213 locopatho
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[QUOTE="eveileb-ekam"]

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

i beg to differ it is the RPG version of Wii sports, it has been that way since FF7surrealnumber5

Again, stop splitting things into casual and hardcore, it simply doesnt work.

Final Fantasy is a "mainstream" JRPG, and is targetted towards a very specific audience.

i dont like to as i think both terms are meaningless but i was not the one to do that in this conversation. FF is to RPG as Wii sports is to sports games. if youre going to bash wii sports for being kiddy or casual you might as well do the same for final fantasy games

That's silly. Games with great story, graphics, sound and most importently lengthy in depth gameplay clearly have nothing to do with the Wii Series.
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#216 surrealnumber5
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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

[QUOTE="eveileb-ekam"]

Again, stop splitting things into casual and hardcore, it simply doesnt work.

Final Fantasy is a "mainstream" JRPG, and is targetted towards a very specific audience.

locopatho

i dont like to as i think both terms are meaningless but i was not the one to do that in this conversation. FF is to RPG as Wii sports is to sports games. if youre going to bash wii sports for being kiddy or casual you might as well do the same for final fantasy games

That's silly. Games with great story, graphics, sound and most importently lengthy in depth gameplay clearly have nothing to do with the Wii Series.

dont see what sound or graphics have to do with the argument and though FF games are fun and their story's are fun they are far and away from great. then we have gameplay and once again FF is not deep(note i have not played the most recent) xp in FF is just like the Mii scores only XP does not go down when you lose because when you lose you die in a RPG. i like FF games, they are good but they are to RPGs what wii sports is to sports games, a game made to be accessible by the masses. Breath of Fire: Dragon Quarter would be the RPG equivalent to some "hardcore" sports game, if they make those.
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[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

[QUOTE="chrion133"]

New kids on the block, Miley cyris, justin beiber, backstreet boys, and lady gaga, all horrendous music makers, that are completely soulless, and make the lowest form of pop music that stimulates the brain about as much as a Mcdonalds jingle in a commercial for the casual masses to gobble up. Yep, good analogy for the Wii. And just like good bands will never stop making good music, even though they arent making billions, I hope to god we never lose real developers that make real games. Somone take the creators of wii sports outside and shoot them please ;P

RushKing

this is why hardcore gamers are viewed in a negative light

thanks for continuing that trend

We are getting threatened be casual gamers, no one is going to make any games with depth if they can just make a gimmicky casual game and sell millions. Look at what happened to the music industry.

What on earth are you talking about? LOOK at the best selling franchises again, ALL OF THEM began as casual games and Wii series is actually THE ONLY franchise that started this generation and is in the top 10. If you're being "threatened" then you should have been living in fear all of your gaming life because guess what? Casual games have ALWAYS been dominant, this generation is no different.
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#218 locopatho
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[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] i dont like to as i think both terms are meaningless but i was not the one to do that in this conversation. FF is to RPG as Wii sports is to sports games. if youre going to bash wii sports for being kiddy or casual you might as well do the same for final fantasy games

surrealnumber5

That's silly. Games with great story, graphics, sound and most importently lengthy in depth gameplay clearly have nothing to do with the Wii Series.

dont see what sound or graphics have to do with the argument and though FF games are fun and their story's are fun they are far and away from great. then we have gameplay and once again FF is not deep(note i have not played the most recent) xp in FF is just like the Mii scores only XP does not go down when you lose because when you lose you die in a RPG. i like FF games, they are good but they are to RPGs what wii sports is to sports games, a game made to be accessible by the masses. Breath of Fire: Dragon Quarter would be the RPG equivalent to some "hardcore" sports game, if they make those.

For feck sake, they are no where near equivalent. FF games are lengthy, they are complex, they are customisable, they are hard(relatively), they have lots of effort put into story, characters and production values. The Wii games are short, simple, non customisable, easy, have no characters or story, and don't bother with flashy production values. No ones Granny is picking up Final Fantasy fora 20 minute play session!

(I not insulting the Wii series btw, just saying they are VERY different experiences.)

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#219 eveileb-ekam
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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="locopatho"] That's silly. Games with great story, graphics, sound and most importently lengthy in depth gameplay clearly have nothing to do with the Wii Series.locopatho

dont see what sound or graphics have to do with the argument and though FF games are fun and their story's are fun they are far and away from great. then we have gameplay and once again FF is not deep(note i have not played the most recent) xp in FF is just like the Mii scores only XP does not go down when you lose because when you lose you die in a RPG. i like FF games, they are good but they are to RPGs what wii sports is to sports games, a game made to be accessible by the masses. Breath of Fire: Dragon Quarter would be the RPG equivalent to some "hardcore" sports game, if they make those.

For feck sake, they are no where near equivalent. FF games are lengthy, they are complex, they are customisable, they are hard(relatively), they have lots of effort put into story, characters and production values. The Wii games are short, simple, non customisable, easy, have no characters or story, and don't bother with flashy production values. No ones Granny is picking up Final Fantasy fora 20 minute play session!

(I not insulting the Wii series btw, just saying they are VERY different experiences.)

That isnt what he is saying. Let me put it like this. Wii sports is designed for casual players, Madden is designed for mainstream players and Football Manager is designed for hardcore sports game enthusiasts. In a similar vein: Duck Hunt in Wii Play for casual players, House of the Dead: Overkill for mainstream players and Sin & Punishment 2 for hardcore shooter fans. In terms of JRPGs: Opoona for casual players, Final Fantasy for mainstream gamers and Valkyria Chronicles for hardcore fans. I feel surrealnumber5 is simplifying things too much (ie, just splitting between casual and core), but what he is basically saying is that both Wii Sports and Final Fantasy are made with a mainstream audience in mind, and are targetted towards that audience. There is, of course, some overlap, but what his essentially saying has merit.
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#220 locopatho
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[QUOTE="locopatho"]

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] dont see what sound or graphics have to do with the argument and though FF games are fun and their story's are fun they are far and away from great. then we have gameplay and once again FF is not deep(note i have not played the most recent) xp in FF is just like the Mii scores only XP does not go down when you lose because when you lose you die in a RPG. i like FF games, they are good but they are to RPGs what wii sports is to sports games, a game made to be accessible by the masses. Breath of Fire: Dragon Quarter would be the RPG equivalent to some "hardcore" sports game, if they make those. eveileb-ekam

For feck sake, they are no where near equivalent. FF games are lengthy, they are complex, they are customisable, they are hard(relatively), they have lots of effort put into story, characters and production values. The Wii games are short, simple, non customisable, easy, have no characters or story, and don't bother with flashy production values. No ones Granny is picking up Final Fantasy fora 20 minute play session!

(I not insulting the Wii series btw, just saying they are VERY different experiences.)

That isnt what he is saying. Let me put it like this. Wii sports is designed for casual players, Madden is designed for mainstream players and Football Manager is designed for hardcore sports game enthusiasts. In a similar vein: Duck Hunt in Wii Play for casual players, House of the Dead: Overkill for mainstream players and Sin & Punishment 2 for hardcore shooter fans. In terms of JRPGs: Opoona for casual players, Final Fantasy for mainstream gamers and Valkyria Chronicles for hardcore fans. I feel surrealnumber5 is simplifying things too much (ie, just splitting between casual and core), but what he is basically saying is that both Wii Sports and Final Fantasy are made with a mainstream audience in mind, and are targetted towards that audience. There is, of course, some overlap, but what his essentially saying has merit.

O saying FF is mainstream is 100% correct. But it's casual vs hardcore, and mainstream vs niche. They are two different concepts. At least, that's how I think of it. Final Fantasy is not a casual game.
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#221 eveileb-ekam
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Well, yes and no. Casual and hardcore describe mindsets when it comes to playing videogames, and titles like mainstream, niche and indie describe the particular demographics the software is aimed at. Its why you can play Tetris, Guitar Hero ect with a hardcore mindset, or can play Final Fantasy, Call of Duty ect with a casual one. There is significant overlap. In truth, Final Fantasy is a mainstream game that can be played by both hardcore and casual consumers.