Real gamers don't care about NPDs

[QUOTE="fierro316"][QUOTE="the-very-best"]

More sales will mean more dev support.

Your point is true, but there's nothing wrong with wanting more sales for the console you own.

the-very-best

I don't think that's entirely true. The DS is not getting that much of support and the Wii looks the same so far.

Draon Quest, the biggest series ever in Japan, is coming to DS now when we all thought it would land on the PS3. That's what more sales does.

I really wanted to see DQIX on the PS3. I was sad to hear the news. I have a DS, but I stiill rather see it on the PS3. Maybe DQX will be on the PS3, or at least the Wii. :(  

[QUOTE="E_x_i_l_e"]No shipped sailed when I typed "Real Gamers", really, if people let sales numbers affect what games they buy, and the console they purchase, they aren't real gamers.Iyethar

Stop it. You're digging yourself in deeper. Who are you to say who is and is not a gamer?

You should go with what you really like, not what people say is better, or what numbers say is better.E_x_i_l_e

Amazingly enough, most people do make decisions in accordance with their personal preferences. You'll find very few people selecting the option that they believe is inferior, no matter what the subject of decision.

I realize this is System Wars, the numbers can keep score of who's winning, that's one thing. Obviously the companies are going against each other to come out on top.E_x_i_l_e

Ah, so it was an intentional insult. You went to a place where you were guaranteed to find people who both care about sales figures and identify themselves as gamers, and told them that they weren't gamers. Classy.

These wars are between the companies, the games are for the GAMERS. Using numbers to say a console is better than another is stupid. Yeah, one's selling better than another? so what, it's all personal opinion. If anything, comparing consoles' games is more logical to decide the "better" console.E_x_i_l_e

"Better" is a matter of opinion and so is not really up for proper debate. However, it is very logical and reasonable to use sales figures to declare that one console is more successful or popular than another. This is a natural topic of interest for this forum.

I'm basing what I'm reading on System Wars. I also know, MANY people in real life that I socialize with that made decisions based off numbers alone.E_x_i_l_e

Would you tell them to their faces that they're not real gamers?

From my point of view, you can have different opinions on it, fine, but I strongly believe that when sales affect a gamers attitude towards a platform and its games they aren't real gamers, because the games could easily be very good.

Amazingly enough, there are those people out there that base what they buy off of sales. Believe it or not, I know plenty.

There's no direct insult, I don't see where you're getting that from. There was no names mentioned, and no one was singled out, I should've made my point more clear. Real gamers don't let NPDs affect their gaming choices. Better?

Yes, it's a matter of opinion, a lot of stuff people say in here is opinion, hell this topic is opinion. ^ read above.

A console could be more popular, but it doesn't make it the better console? Perhaps maybe it was because it's cheaper and more affordable? hmm.

And yes, I would say it to their faces. Whoever let's NPDs get in the way of what they play, isn't a real gamer but someone just hopping in the bandwagon. 

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]High numbers = lots of good gamesAHUGECAT

Wii disproves that.

The Wii looks like it will still prove it to be true.  There's not a ton of good games on the system, but it's been widely reported that throughout the industry, 3rd party developers failed to take the Wii seriously, but now that it's getting good sales, they're shifting focus over to the Wii.  Sales numbers don't have a major immediate impact on games, but they do, just as they did with the Playstation and PS2. 

From my point of view, you can have different opinions on it, fine, but I strongly believe that when sales affect a gamers attitude towards a platform and its games they aren't real gamers, because the games could easily be very good.E_x_i_l_e

Who are you to say who is and is not a gamer?

Amazingly enough, there are those people out there that base what they buy off of sales. Believe it or not, I know plenty.E_x_i_l_e

It's one thing to state that you believe they are making wrong decisions.  It's entirely another to deny an identity they've chosen for themselves.

There's no direct insult, I don't see where you're getting that from. There was no names mentioned, and no one was singled out, I should've made my point more clear. Real gamers don't let NPDs affect their gaming choices. Better?E_x_i_l_e

Better but not nearly good enough.  "I don't think that gamers are acting in their own best interests when they let sales figures affect their gaming choices" would be acceptable.  Telling people who have chosen to identify themselves as gamers that they aren't real gamers is unavoidably insulting.

Yes, it's a matter of opinion, a lot of stuff people say in here is opinion, hell this topic is opinion. ^ read above.E_x_i_l_e

In my opinion, your opinion is offensive and insulting.  I've explained in detail why I think this way. 

A console could be more popular, but it doesn't make it the better console? Perhaps maybe it was because it's cheaper and more affordable? hmm.E_x_i_l_e

I thought we agreed that "better" was a matter of opinion.  One can discuss and debate the relative popularity of consoles without trying to use those criteria to determine which is "better". 

Which console are we talking about?  I was speaking in generalities, but it seems you have something specific in mind.  Perhaps a large number of people think that being cheaper and more affordable is better.

And yes, I would say it to their faces. Whoever let's NPDs get in the way of what they play, isn't a real gamer but someone just hopping in the bandwagon.E_x_i_l_e

Why don't you go do that, and then see if they still want to socialize with you.  Of course, you probably wouldn't want to associate with dirty faux gamers anyway.

[QUOTE="E_x_i_l_e"]From my point of view, you can have different opinions on it, fine, but I strongly believe that when sales affect a gamers attitude towards a platform and its games they aren't real gamers, because the games could easily be very good.Iyethar

Who are you to say who is and is not a gamer?

Amazingly enough, there are those people out there that base what they buy off of sales. Believe it or not, I know plenty.E_x_i_l_e

It's one thing to state that you believe they are making wrong decisions. It's entirely another to deny an identity they've chosen for themselves.

There's no direct insult, I don't see where you're getting that from. There was no names mentioned, and no one was singled out, I should've made my point more clear. Real gamers don't let NPDs affect their gaming choices. Better?E_x_i_l_e

Better but not nearly good enough. "I don't think that gamers are acting in their own best interests when they let sales figures affect their gaming choices" would be acceptable. Telling people who have chosen to identify themselves as gamers that they aren't real gamers is unavoidably insulting.

Yes, it's a matter of opinion, a lot of stuff people say in here is opinion, hell this topic is opinion. ^ read above.E_x_i_l_e

In my opinion, your opinion is offensive and insulting. I've explained in detail why I think this way.

A console could be more popular, but it doesn't make it the better console? Perhaps maybe it was because it's cheaper and more affordable? hmm.E_x_i_l_e

I thought we agreed that "better" was a matter of opinion. One can discuss and debate the relative popularity of consoles without trying to use those criteria to determine which is "better".

Which console are we talking about? I was speaking in generalities, but it seems you have something specific in mind. Perhaps a large number of people think that being cheaper and more affordable is better.

And yes, I would say it to their faces. Whoever let's NPDs get in the way of what they play, isn't a real gamer but someone just hopping in the bandwagon.E_x_i_l_e

Why don't you go do that, and then see if they still want to socialize with you. Of course, you probably wouldn't want to associate with dirty faux gamers anyway.

Wow, I'm really done trying to get you to understand where I'm coming from o_O, I've explained my points in detail, but you still go against them, that's fine, I'm just done trying to convince you and get you to understand where I'm coming from, you don't have to agree with them but at least respect my point of view, as I respect yours. You obviously take a different stand on the topic, that's fine.

Yes, better is a matter of opinion, I don't have anything specific in mind. The cheaper argument was just as an example.

And by the way, I actually have a life, those people I socialize with, are indeed friends, I don't pick friends based off of what they play o_O or games at all.

Wow, I'm really done trying to get you to understand where I'm coming from o_O, I've explained my points in detail, but you still go against them, that's fine, I'm just done trying to convince you and get you to understand where I'm coming from, you don't have to agree with them but at least respect my point of view, as I respect yours. You obviously take a different stand on the topic, that's fine.

Yes, better is a matter of opinion, I don't have anything specific in mind. The cheaper argument was just as an example.

And by the way, I actually have a life, those people I socialize with, are indeed friends, I don't pick friends based off of what they play o_O or games at all.

E_x_i_l_e

I understand where you're coming from.  I respect your right to hold this point of view and to express it, but I do not respect the point of view in and of itself.  I believe it to be disgusting and elitist, and I will denounce it wherever I see it.  If you continue to espouse it, I will continue to tell you how poorly I think you are behaving by doing so.

If you truly consider a person who considers themselves to be a gamer your friend, I suspect that you would not tell them that they weren't a real gamer, even if you thought it.

I'm honest with my friends :P

I just don't understand how you see it as elitist?

What are we suppose to go by here?

-Sales: No, because of whatever reason you said about how REAL gamers shouldn't care.

-Score: No, cause gamespot is biased

-Awards: No, biased and not enough to represent every good game or system.

 What are we suppose to go by then?  Can someone tell me?

What are we suppose to go by here?

-Sales: No, because of whatever reason you said about how REAL gamers shouldn't care.

-Score: No, cause gamespot is biased

-Awards: No, biased and not enough to represent every good game or system.

What are we suppose to go by then? Can someone tell me?

SA--X

Sales: No, because sales shouldn't convince you what to buy or not.

Score: Reviews are just opinions of people who have played the games. So, YOU should play the game and give YOUR opinion on it.

Awards: I honestly, don't care about awards, they don't convince me to buy the game.

So long story short, go off of what you want! If you're skeptical of a game at first, rent it before you buy it to see how you like it. Simple enough right? 

[QUOTE="SA--X"]

What are we suppose to go by here?

-Sales: No, because of whatever reason you said about how REAL gamers shouldn't care.

-Score: No, cause gamespot is biased

-Awards: No, biased and not enough to represent every good game or system.

What are we suppose to go by then? Can someone tell me?

E_x_i_l_e

Sales: No, because sales shouldn't convince you what to buy or not.

Score: Reviews are just opinions of people who have played the games. So, YOU should play the game and give YOUR opinion on it.

Awards: I honestly, don't care about awards, they don't convince me to buy the game.

So long story short, go off of what you want! If you're skeptical of a game at first, rent it before you buy it to see how you like it. Simple enough right?

It's stupid to just follow the crowd and "do what the cool kids do". You should buy a game based off of what they're interested in not what everyone else is doing. E_x_i_l_e

What are we suppose to go by here?

-Sales: No, because of whatever reason you said about how REAL gamers shouldn't care.

-Score: No, cause gamespot is biased

-Awards: No, biased and not enough to represent every good game or system.

What are we suppose to go by then? Can someone tell me?

SA--X

You're suppose to go by what type of games you like. Like what genre interests you the most. You get information on the game, read reviews from different sources, try it out before you buy it, and then you decide. Get educated about the stuff you're buying. You buy one game, you're going to want to buy another game like it that has the same quality and gameplay as the first one.  

[QUOTE="SA--X"]

What are we suppose to go by here?

-Sales: No, because of whatever reason you said about how REAL gamers shouldn't care.

-Score: No, cause gamespot is biased

-Awards: No, biased and not enough to represent every good game or system.

What are we suppose to go by then? Can someone tell me?

majadamus

You're suppose to go by what type of games you like. Like what genre interests you the most. You get information on the game, read reviews from different sources, try it out before you buy it, and then you decide. Get educated about the stuff you're buying. You buy one game, you're going to want to buy another game like it that has the same quality and gameplay as the first one.

Well said. 

I'm honest with my friends :P

I just don't understand how you see it as elitist?

E_x_i_l_e

You're stating that other people aren't real gamers.  There's really no way to pretend that that isn't elitism and snobbery.

[QUOTE="DeathWishv1"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]High numbers = lots of good gamesm_machine024

Wii disproves that.

I was just about to say that :lol:

Just saying.

Not for the Wii :lol: