Not to mention how in Baldur's Gate, Kotor, and Oblivion, for example, you have make choices and participate in conversation? That qualifies as role-playing. >_>PannicAtackI can see your point, but I like my RPGs to have stories and characters. Things like morrowind have forgettable characters and virtually no main story, just a whole bunch of optional quests you can do. Diablo 2 came the closest to having memorable characters, but the main characters are always very hands-off, which makes sense in a way (like the character is you, i guess) but isnt very entertaining from a story perspective. I wouldnt like to read a book where the main character has no thoughts or opinions on anything, just blindly accepts and performs tasks
Reasons why a lot of console gamers dont want to be pc gamers
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Too bad almost all that stuff can be automated.Vandalvideo
I've heard this countless times from you. It's like your some kinda one man army for automation or something. But anyhow I agree with you. The PC can be simple to install and play games provided you have the right equipment and knowledge (to get the automated stuff).
However its still not mainstream yet. At least, not in the eyes of the casual. This is my opinion as a 20 year pc gamer that pcs have still not totally evolved into an all-in-one solution yet, ie still can't beat the true plug and play value of a console. Whether it technically can or not is irrelevant if the end user doesn't see it that way. You and other hardcore enthusiasts that think otherwise can't change the mind frame of the millions out there who are misinformed (or informed).
Do you see what I'm getting at? Besides, I really don't want the pc to become a complete plug and play solution since that would negate the overall complexity of the system. The PC is afterall a very robust platform, which in fact relys on human user error. This is good since it will always blossom...evolving.
Closing statement- You either enjoy pc gaming or not. If not, stick with consoles. If you want a console to compliment your pc gaming then by all means, do so. But when the two begin to interchange (it's in the making) I feel they lose it's originality. Whatever you do, just make sure you have fun!
[QUOTE="PannicAtack"]Not to mention how in Baldur's Gate, Kotor, and Oblivion, for example, you have make choices and participate in conversation? That qualifies as role-playing. >_>SSJ2_CloudI can see your point, but I like my RPGs to have stories and characters. Things like morrowind have forgettable characters and virtually no main story, just a whole bunch of optional quests you can do. Diablo 2 came the closest to having memorable characters, but the main characters are always very hands-off, which makes sense in a way (like the character is you, i guess) but isnt very entertaining from a story perspective. I wouldnt like to read a book where the main character has no thoughts or opinions on anything, just blindly accepts and performs tasks Morrowind doesn't have a story? Then what was that whole "You're a messiah just like jesus trying to save the universe from the evil ancients" thing? -_- Not to mention Diablo 2 has some extremely engrossing storyline thats along the lines of Silent Hill, in which you have to read into it. Its just like Dante's Inferno.
[QUOTE="SSJ2_Cloud"]Every single game can use any gamepad you have. Its called Joy to key. But a lot of them suck, its hard to find one you like, it turns developers off from making specific types if games on pc as wellI think the main reason PC isnt as appealing is the lack of standardized controller, some games don't work as well with keyboard and mouse
I just found out about two weeks ago that you can use a 360 controller in windows XP, so thats a step in the right direction, but I would say most people dont know that.
Vandalvideo
[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="SSJ2_Cloud"]Every single game can use any gamepad you have. Its called Joy to key. But a lot of them suck, its hard to find one you like, it turns developers off from making specific types if games on pc as well "Most of them suck"? I have a gamepad that EASILY owns any console gamepad. The airflo controller cools your hand with a fan as you play, and has an extremely fast DPI. Its way better than some crummy dualshock.I think the main reason PC isnt as appealing is the lack of standardized controller, some games don't work as well with keyboard and mouse
I just found out about two weeks ago that you can use a 360 controller in windows XP, so thats a step in the right direction, but I would say most people dont know that.
SSJ2_Cloud
[QUOTE="SSJ2_Cloud"][QUOTE="PannicAtack"]Not to mention how in Baldur's Gate, Kotor, and Oblivion, for example, you have make choices and participate in conversation? That qualifies as role-playing. >_>VandalvideoI can see your point, but I like my RPGs to have stories and characters. Things like morrowind have forgettable characters and virtually no main story, just a whole bunch of optional quests you can do. Diablo 2 came the closest to having memorable characters, but the main characters are always very hands-off, which makes sense in a way (like the character is you, i guess) but isnt very entertaining from a story perspective. I wouldnt like to read a book where the main character has no thoughts or opinions on anything, just blindly accepts and performs tasks Morrowind doesn't have a story? Then what was that whole "You're a messiah just like jesus trying to save the universe from the evil ancients" thing? -_- Not to mention Diablo 2 has some extremely engrossing storyline thats along the lines of Silent Hill, in which you have to read into it. Its just like Dante's Inferno. Thats why I like diablo 2. I guess i didnt get that far in morroind if thats true, I was just sent on a bunch of quests, help this girl. kill this guy, steal this thing, extort that guy, ect. If there was a story it certainly didnt point me toward it very well
[QUOTE="SSJ2_Cloud"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="SSJ2_Cloud"]Every single game can use any gamepad you have. Its called Joy to key. But a lot of them suck, its hard to find one you like, it turns developers off from making specific types if games on pc as well "Most of them suck"? I have a gamepad that EASILY owns any console gamepad. The airflo controller cools your hand with a fan as you play, and has an extremely fast DPI. Its way better than some crummy dualshock. I said "a lot" of them suck, and its true, while i'm sure they have good ones, your average gamer is not in the know about which to get. Its all predecided on consoles, so there is no confusion.I think the main reason PC isnt as appealing is the lack of standardized controller, some games don't work as well with keyboard and mouse
I just found out about two weeks ago that you can use a 360 controller in windows XP, so thats a step in the right direction, but I would say most people dont know that.
Vandalvideo
[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="SSJ2_Cloud"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="SSJ2_Cloud"]Every single game can use any gamepad you have. Its called Joy to key. But a lot of them suck, its hard to find one you like, it turns developers off from making specific types if games on pc as well "Most of them suck"? I have a gamepad that EASILY owns any console gamepad. The airflo controller cools your hand with a fan as you play, and has an extremely fast DPI. Its way better than some crummy dualshock. I said "a lot" of them suck, and its true, while i'm sure they have good ones, your average gamer is not in the know about which to get. Its all predecided on consoles, so there is no confusion. Same thing for third party console cotnrollers. Mad Katz is horrible. There are tons of bad console ones. You think consoles are immune to this problem? LIESI think the main reason PC isnt as appealing is the lack of standardized controller, some games don't work as well with keyboard and mouse
I just found out about two weeks ago that you can use a 360 controller in windows XP, so thats a step in the right direction, but I would say most people dont know that.
SSJ2_Cloud
One is variety. I don't like strategy games, MMOs, and RPGs. While there are exceptions, most of what's left are FPS games, which is not a genre I'm crazy about. Just about everything else I like (especially the genres I like the most, like third-person action games, and platformers) is done best on consoles.
The other is complexity. There's a ton of stuff that you can do on the PC, if you have the time and knowhow to put it all together. However, I find it much easier to play on consoles, where I never, at any point, have to worry about installation, drivers, patching, settings, or anything of that kind. I can simply put the game into my console and start playing. Not having to bother with that stuff makes my life a lot easier, and I can focus on my games instead of on my hardware.
[QUOTE="PannicAtack"]Not to mention how in Baldur's Gate, Kotor, and Oblivion, for example, you have make choices and participate in conversation? That qualifies as role-playing. >_>SSJ2_CloudI can see your point, but I like my RPGs to have stories and characters. Things like morrowind have forgettable characters and virtually no main story, just a whole bunch of optional quests you can do. Diablo 2 came the closest to having memorable characters, but the main characters are always very hands-off, which makes sense in a way (like the character is you, i guess) but isnt very entertaining from a story perspective. I wouldnt like to read a book where the main character has no thoughts or opinions on anything, just blindly accepts and performs tasks Morrowind and Oblivion are exercises in freedom. Compeltely different design goals too BG, Planescape or KOTOR. Play anyone of those and you will ahve your story and character. Infact i'd argue that JRPGs have weaker storylines and characters than WRPGs. Put Bioware or Obsidians writters up against Squares and their would be no contest. The westerners would win.
There are a few reasons why I rarely game on the PC.We have the most high quality titles and a huge variety of games from every single genre, and all that stuff can come automated. Not to mention installations are a thing of the past. -_-
One is variety. I don't like strategy games, MMOs, and RPGs. While there are exceptions, most of what's left are FPS games, which is not a genre I'm crazy about. Just about everything else I like (especially the genres I like the most, like third-person action games, and platformers) is done best on consoles.
The other is complexity. There's a ton of stuff that you can do on the PC, if you have the time and knowhow to put it all together. However, I find it much easier to play on consoles, where I never, at any point, have to worry about installation, drivers, patching, settings, or anything of that kind. I can simply put the game into my console and start playing. Not having to bother with that stuff makes my life a lot easier, and I can focus on my games instead of on my hardware.
sonicmj1
[QUOTE="SSJ2_Cloud"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="SSJ2_Cloud"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="SSJ2_Cloud"]Every single game can use any gamepad you have. Its called Joy to key. But a lot of them suck, its hard to find one you like, it turns developers off from making specific types if games on pc as well "Most of them suck"? I have a gamepad that EASILY owns any console gamepad. The airflo controller cools your hand with a fan as you play, and has an extremely fast DPI. Its way better than some crummy dualshock. I said "a lot" of them suck, and its true, while i'm sure they have good ones, your average gamer is not in the know about which to get. Its all predecided on consoles, so there is no confusion. Same thing for third party console cotnrollers. Mad Katz is horrible. There are tons of bad console ones. You think consoles are immune to this problem? LIES too bad the controllers that come with your console are the good ones.I think the main reason PC isnt as appealing is the lack of standardized controller, some games don't work as well with keyboard and mouse
I just found out about two weeks ago that you can use a 360 controller in windows XP, so thats a step in the right direction, but I would say most people dont know that.
Vandalvideo
[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="SSJ2_Cloud"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="SSJ2_Cloud"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="SSJ2_Cloud"]Every single game can use any gamepad you have. Its called Joy to key. But a lot of them suck, its hard to find one you like, it turns developers off from making specific types if games on pc as well "Most of them suck"? I have a gamepad that EASILY owns any console gamepad. The airflo controller cools your hand with a fan as you play, and has an extremely fast DPI. Its way better than some crummy dualshock. I said "a lot" of them suck, and its true, while i'm sure they have good ones, your average gamer is not in the know about which to get. Its all predecided on consoles, so there is no confusion. Same thing for third party console cotnrollers. Mad Katz is horrible. There are tons of bad console ones. You think consoles are immune to this problem? LIES too bad the controllers that come with your console are the good ones. Too bad there are standardized PCs that come with good controllers as well. NEXTI think the main reason PC isnt as appealing is the lack of standardized controller, some games don't work as well with keyboard and mouse
I just found out about two weeks ago that you can use a 360 controller in windows XP, so thats a step in the right direction, but I would say most people dont know that.
_en1gma_
"Most of them suck"? I have a gamepad that EASILY owns any console gamepad. The airflo controller cools your hand with a fan as you play, and has an extremely fast DPI. Its way better than some crummy dualshock.VandalvideoNo, the air-flow doesn't own any other controller, plus it's available forall the last-gen consoles.
[QUOTE="_en1gma_"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="SSJ2_Cloud"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="SSJ2_Cloud"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="SSJ2_Cloud"]Every single game can use any gamepad you have. Its called Joy to key. But a lot of them suck, its hard to find one you like, it turns developers off from making specific types if games on pc as well "Most of them suck"? I have a gamepad that EASILY owns any console gamepad. The airflo controller cools your hand with a fan as you play, and has an extremely fast DPI. Its way better than some crummy dualshock. I said "a lot" of them suck, and its true, while i'm sure they have good ones, your average gamer is not in the know about which to get. Its all predecided on consoles, so there is no confusion. Same thing for third party console cotnrollers. Mad Katz is horrible. There are tons of bad console ones. You think consoles are immune to this problem? LIES too bad the controllers that come with your console are the good ones. Too bad there are standardized PCs that come with good controllers as well. NEXTI think the main reason PC isnt as appealing is the lack of standardized controller, some games don't work as well with keyboard and mouse
I just found out about two weeks ago that you can use a 360 controller in windows XP, so thats a step in the right direction, but I would say most people dont know that.
Vandalvideo
NEXT: PCs have less Japanese support then the 360.
[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="_en1gma_"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="SSJ2_Cloud"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="SSJ2_Cloud"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="SSJ2_Cloud"]Every single game can use any gamepad you have. Its called Joy to key. But a lot of them suck, its hard to find one you like, it turns developers off from making specific types if games on pc as well "Most of them suck"? I have a gamepad that EASILY owns any console gamepad. The airflo controller cools your hand with a fan as you play, and has an extremely fast DPI. Its way better than some crummy dualshock. I said "a lot" of them suck, and its true, while i'm sure they have good ones, your average gamer is not in the know about which to get. Its all predecided on consoles, so there is no confusion. Same thing for third party console cotnrollers. Mad Katz is horrible. There are tons of bad console ones. You think consoles are immune to this problem? LIES too bad the controllers that come with your console are the good ones. Too bad there are standardized PCs that come with good controllers as well. NEXTI think the main reason PC isnt as appealing is the lack of standardized controller, some games don't work as well with keyboard and mouse
I just found out about two weeks ago that you can use a 360 controller in windows XP, so thats a step in the right direction, but I would say most people dont know that.
got_systems
NEXT: PCs have less Japanese support then the 360.
The PC is a huge booming market in Japan with numerous games. Its not that the PC DOESN'T have japaenese support. No no no young bucky, its that the publishers decide not to bring the game over. There are hundreds if not thousands of good PC games in English than can be imported from japan.
[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] "Most of them suck"? I have a gamepad that EASILY owns any console gamepad. The airflo controller cools your hand with a fan as you play, and has an extremely fast DPI. Its way better than some crummy dualshock.Spartan070No, the air-flow doesn't own any other controller, plus it's available forall the last-gen consoles. Yes it does. It has a much higher DPI and is icnredibly intuitive. Not to mention the fan on the PC controller is much faster. Tech spec wise its much better.
[QUOTE="got_systems"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="_en1gma_"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="SSJ2_Cloud"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="SSJ2_Cloud"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="SSJ2_Cloud"]Every single game can use any gamepad you have. Its called Joy to key. But a lot of them suck, its hard to find one you like, it turns developers off from making specific types if games on pc as well "Most of them suck"? I have a gamepad that EASILY owns any console gamepad. The airflo controller cools your hand with a fan as you play, and has an extremely fast DPI. Its way better than some crummy dualshock. I said "a lot" of them suck, and its true, while i'm sure they have good ones, your average gamer is not in the know about which to get. Its all predecided on consoles, so there is no confusion. Same thing for third party console cotnrollers. Mad Katz is horrible. There are tons of bad console ones. You think consoles are immune to this problem? LIES too bad the controllers that come with your console are the good ones. Too bad there are standardized PCs that come with good controllers as well. NEXTI think the main reason PC isnt as appealing is the lack of standardized controller, some games don't work as well with keyboard and mouse
I just found out about two weeks ago that you can use a 360 controller in windows XP, so thats a step in the right direction, but I would say most people dont know that.
Vandalvideo
NEXT: PCs have less Japanese support then the 360.
The PC is a huge booming market in Japan with numerous games. Its not that the PC DOESN'T have japaenese support. No no no young bucky, its that the publishers decide not to bring the game over. There are hundreds if not thousands of good PC games in English than can be imported from japan.
I'm not talking about Dating Sims by the way, and the only game I've ever imported was Farenheit (great deleted scenes that had). I'm talking about real Japanese games. Where's your Dragon Quest, Final Fantasy, Katamari Damacy, Trauma Center, Okami or Resident Evil 4 port with mouse support on PC?
[QUOTE="sonicmj1"]There are a few reasons why I rarely game on the PC.We have the most high quality titles and a huge variety of games from every single genre, and all that stuff can come automated. Not to mention installations are a thing of the past. -_-
One is variety. I don't like strategy games, MMOs, and RPGs. While there are exceptions, most of what's left are FPS games, which is not a genre I'm crazy about. Just about everything else I like (especially the genres I like the most, like third-person action games, and platformers) is done best on consoles.
The other is complexity. There's a ton of stuff that you can do on the PC, if you have the time and knowhow to put it all together. However, I find it much easier to play on consoles, where I never, at any point, have to worry about installation, drivers, patching, settings, or anything of that kind. I can simply put the game into my console and start playing. Not having to bother with that stuff makes my life a lot easier, and I can focus on my games instead of on my hardware.
Vandalvideo
However, if you want to get all that automation set up, it takes time and effort. If you want to circumvent installations, there are programs you have to install and other things you have to do. I don't have to deal with anything like that on consoles at all, which I like.
And for the genres that I like the most, PCs can't provide as much as consoles can. I can't get action-adventures like Ninja Gaiden and God of War, or fighters like Super Smash Bros Melee or Soul Calibur 2, or plenty of other games. If I'm wrong about some of these genres, please correct me.
If you are a fan of the genres that the PC is strongest in (and there are a number of them), or you're willing to take the effort to find the right hardware at the right price and get the right software to make everything easy, then the PC offers an unrivaled and uncomparable gaming experience. However, it just doesn't seem worth the effort to me.
Just my opinion.
[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="sonicmj1"]There are a few reasons why I rarely game on the PC.We have the most high quality titles and a huge variety of games from every single genre, and all that stuff can come automated. Not to mention installations are a thing of the past. -_-
One is variety. I don't like strategy games, MMOs, and RPGs. While there are exceptions, most of what's left are FPS games, which is not a genre I'm crazy about. Just about everything else I like (especially the genres I like the most, like third-person action games, and platformers) is done best on consoles.
The other is complexity. There's a ton of stuff that you can do on the PC, if you have the time and knowhow to put it all together. However, I find it much easier to play on consoles, where I never, at any point, have to worry about installation, drivers, patching, settings, or anything of that kind. I can simply put the game into my console and start playing. Not having to bother with that stuff makes my life a lot easier, and I can focus on my games instead of on my hardware.
sonicmj1
However, if you want to get all that automation set up, it takes time and effort. If you want to circumvent installations, there are programs you have to install and other things you have to do. I don't have to deal with anything like that on consoles at all, which I like.
And for the genres that I like the most, PCs can't provide as much as consoles can. I can't get action-adventures like Ninja Gaiden and God of War, or fighters like Super Smash Bros Melee or Soul Calibur 2, or plenty of other games. If I'm wrong about some of these genres, please correct me.
If you are a fan of the genres that the PC is strongest in (and there are a number of them), or you're willing to take the effort to find the right hardware at the right price and get the right software to make everything easy, then the PC offers an unrivaled and uncomparable gaming experience. However, it just doesn't seem worth the effort to me.
Just my opinion.
Stating the PC CAN'T do them is NOT an opinion, its a misguided fact. As a matter of FACT, the pc CAN, and DOES do those genres. We have gamepads and can provide the same experience as consoles. So why on earth COULDN'T we do them prey-tell? Oh, and you can order standardized PCs that come WITH all that automation without any set up by the end user.
don't forget sports games...they blow on pc....:(
tango90101
Lmao yeah right..but Sports games in general do blow.
Oh wow, so we don't have SOME console franchises. What does this prove I ask you got_systems? That we don't have 4-5 franchises from consoles? WOOOOOO! I'd have you know Ys, one of the most successful JRPGs, has its original home on the PC, as well as Guilty Gear. There are tons of genres and games for the PC in Japan. Where are they? Still in Japan. You think the PC is only in America? Thats just durka.Vandalvideo
So just because Ys 1, 2, 6, The Oath in Felghana and Origins were on PC, you've got more Japanese support then the 360? Two of those were from the 80s! I'm talking about Japanese games that were exclusive from after the 16-bit era. And Guilty Gear did not have it's original home on the PC, nor did the majority of Guilty Gear games come out for PC. I don't know about you, but I count three out of 19. MISCONCEPTION!
[QUOTE="sonicmj1"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="sonicmj1"]There are a few reasons why I rarely game on the PC.We have the most high quality titles and a huge variety of games from every single genre, and all that stuff can come automated. Not to mention installations are a thing of the past. -_-
One is variety. I don't like strategy games, MMOs, and RPGs. While there are exceptions, most of what's left are FPS games, which is not a genre I'm crazy about. Just about everything else I like (especially the genres I like the most, like third-person action games, and platformers) is done best on consoles.
The other is complexity. There's a ton of stuff that you can do on the PC, if you have the time and knowhow to put it all together. However, I find it much easier to play on consoles, where I never, at any point, have to worry about installation, drivers, patching, settings, or anything of that kind. I can simply put the game into my console and start playing. Not having to bother with that stuff makes my life a lot easier, and I can focus on my games instead of on my hardware.
Vandalvideo
However, if you want to get all that automation set up, it takes time and effort. If you want to circumvent installations, there are programs you have to install and other things you have to do. I don't have to deal with anything like that on consoles at all, which I like.
And for the genres that I like the most, PCs can't provide as much as consoles can. I can't get action-adventures like Ninja Gaiden and God of War, or fighters like Super Smash Bros Melee or Soul Calibur 2, or plenty of other games. If I'm wrong about some of these genres, please correct me.
If you are a fan of the genres that the PC is strongest in (and there are a number of them), or you're willing to take the effort to find the right hardware at the right price and get the right software to make everything easy, then the PC offers an unrivaled and uncomparable gaming experience. However, it just doesn't seem worth the effort to me.
Just my opinion.
Stating the PC CAN'T do them is NOT an opinion, its a misguided fact. As a matter of FACT, the pc CAN, and DOES do those genres. We have gamepads and can provide the same experience as consoles. So why on earth COULDN'T we do them prey-tell? Oh, and you can order standardized PCs that come WITH all that automation without any set up by the end user.
If I said can't, I didn't mean to. I meant that I couldn't get as much from a PC as I could from a console in those genres. I'm sure I could get a few games in those genres on the PC, and I could buy a gamepad that I could configure to my PC. But would it be worth it? Would those games be as good as what I can get on a console?
The ability to order a standardized PC with all the automation wasn't something I was aware of. It's another example of one of those things that hardcore PC users know about, but the relatively casual consumer is ignorant to.
The issue of complexity is one that can be circumvented, but it requires a lot of knowledge about what the PC is capable of and where to get it.
When people say that PCs are expensive, hermits say that, if you know where to shop, and you build it yourself, PCs are cheap. When people say that PCs take a lot of work to configure properly, with drivers and patches, hermits say that there are ways to automate it. When people say that you have to play your PC at a desk right next to a monitor, hermits say that, with the right cables and wireless hardware, you can play on your TV. When people say that you can't play certain genres on KB/M, hermits say that you can buy a gamepad. When people complain about installation, hermits say that you can make your PC stream games off the disk. When people complain about a lack of Japanese support, hermits say that you can import games.
Yes, you can do all of that, and you'll get a bunch of great stuff. But with a console, I don't have to have all that knowledge expected of me. I can buy the console at any electronics retailer for a single price. I can plug it into my TV with cables provided in the box. And I can take any game that I buy that's compatable with the console (clearly indicated on the game's box) and play it right away, using a controller that also comes with the console.
Which experience seems more intuitive?
[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Oh wow, so we don't have SOME console franchises. What does this prove I ask you got_systems? That we don't have 4-5 franchises from consoles? WOOOOOO! I'd have you know Ys, one of the most successful JRPGs, has its original home on the PC, as well as Guilty Gear. There are tons of genres and games for the PC in Japan. Where are they? Still in Japan. You think the PC is only in America? Thats just durka.got_systems
So just because Ys 1, 2, 6, The Oath in Felghana and Origins were on PC, you've got more Japanese support then the 360? Two of those were from the 80s! I'm talking about Japanese games that were exclusive from after the 16-bit era. And Guilty Gear did not have it's original home on the PC, nor did the majority of Guilty Gear games come out for PC. I don't know about you, but I count three out of 19.
The developer and original idea for Guilty Gear was birthed on the PC. Not only that, but I'll repeat this once more. We have a HUGE catalog of Japanese support................its just all still in Japan.
[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="_en1gma_"][QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="_en1gma_"][QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="Hewkii"][QUOTE="_en1gma_"]lame lame lame_en1gma_I may as well ask... why?He is just being ignorant.
no it just seems like a hassle and impractical. Once again your ignorance is demonstrated, please stop quoting me.
Doing things that you can EASILY and is DESIGNED to do on consoles is a hassle. Sorry buddy ol pal. A lot of things about PC gaming is a hassle. I dont even want to boot up my PC it is too much of a hassle.Do you have Serious Sam?
No and I dont care about a single gameI understand. Sorry for being so harsh.
[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="sonicmj1"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="sonicmj1"]There are a few reasons why I rarely game on the PC.We have the most high quality titles and a huge variety of games from every single genre, and all that stuff can come automated. Not to mention installations are a thing of the past. -_-
One is variety. I don't like strategy games, MMOs, and RPGs. While there are exceptions, most of what's left are FPS games, which is not a genre I'm crazy about. Just about everything else I like (especially the genres I like the most, like third-person action games, and platformers) is done best on consoles.
The other is complexity. There's a ton of stuff that you can do on the PC, if you have the time and knowhow to put it all together. However, I find it much easier to play on consoles, where I never, at any point, have to worry about installation, drivers, patching, settings, or anything of that kind. I can simply put the game into my console and start playing. Not having to bother with that stuff makes my life a lot easier, and I can focus on my games instead of on my hardware.
sonicmj1
However, if you want to get all that automation set up, it takes time and effort. If you want to circumvent installations, there are programs you have to install and other things you have to do. I don't have to deal with anything like that on consoles at all, which I like.
And for the genres that I like the most, PCs can't provide as much as consoles can. I can't get action-adventures like Ninja Gaiden and God of War, or fighters like Super Smash Bros Melee or Soul Calibur 2, or plenty of other games. If I'm wrong about some of these genres, please correct me.
If you are a fan of the genres that the PC is strongest in (and there are a number of them), or you're willing to take the effort to find the right hardware at the right price and get the right software to make everything easy, then the PC offers an unrivaled and uncomparable gaming experience. However, it just doesn't seem worth the effort to me.
Just my opinion.
Stating the PC CAN'T do them is NOT an opinion, its a misguided fact. As a matter of FACT, the pc CAN, and DOES do those genres. We have gamepads and can provide the same experience as consoles. So why on earth COULDN'T we do them prey-tell? Oh, and you can order standardized PCs that come WITH all that automation without any set up by the end user.
If I said can't, I didn't mean to. I meant that I couldn't get as much from a PC as I could from a console in those genres. I'm sure I could get a few games in those genres on the PC, and I could buy a gamepad that I could configure to my PC. But would it be worth it? Would those games be as good as what I can get on a console?
The ability to order a standardized PC with all the automation wasn't something I was aware of. It's another example of one of those things that hardcore PC users know about, but the relatively casual consumer is ignorant to.
The issue of complexity is one that can be circumvented, but it requires a lot of knowledge about what the PC is capable of and where to get it.
When people say that PCs are expensive, hermits say that, if you know where to shop, and you build it yourself, PCs are cheap. When people say that PCs take a lot of work to configure properly, with drivers and patches, hermits say that there are ways to automate it. When people say that you have to play your PC at a desk right next to a monitor, hermits say that, with the right cables and wireless hardware, you can play on your TV. When people say that you can't play certain genres on KB/M, hermits say that you can buy a gamepad. When people complain about installation, hermits say that you can make your PC stream games off the disk. When people complain about a lack of Japanese support, hermits say that you can import games.
Yes, you can do all of that, and you'll get a bunch of great stuff. But with a console, I don't have to have all that knowledge expected of me. I can buy the console at any electronics retailer for a single price. I can plug it into my TV with cables provided in the box. And I can take any game that I buy that's compatable with the console (clearly indicated on the game's box) and play it right away, using a controller that also comes with the console.
Which experience seems more intuitive?
Ignorance is no excuse. The options are there, the options exist. That is all. To say "OMG I DIDN'T KNOW" and assume thats a valid reason........WHAT?! The fact of the matter is that the PC can be just as intuivite. No ifs, ands, ors or buts about that. "Anything you can do we can do better, sooner or later we're greater than you"
[QUOTE="_en1gma_"][QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="_en1gma_"][QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="_en1gma_"][QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="Hewkii"][QUOTE="_en1gma_"]lame lame lamesmokeydabear076I may as well ask... why?He is just being ignorant.
no it just seems like a hassle and impractical. Once again your ignorance is demonstrated, please stop quoting me.
Doing things that you can EASILY and is DESIGNED to do on consoles is a hassle. Sorry buddy ol pal. A lot of things about PC gaming is a hassle. I dont even want to boot up my PC it is too much of a hassle.Do you have Serious Sam?
No and I dont care about a single gameI understand. Sorry for being so harsh.
i mean a standard, split screen setup built into most games for casuals to easily access...and play on a tv with buddies out of a console with standard ports for 4 controllers
[QUOTE="got_systems"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Oh wow, so we don't have SOME console franchises. What does this prove I ask you got_systems? That we don't have 4-5 franchises from consoles? WOOOOOO! I'd have you know Ys, one of the most successful JRPGs, has its original home on the PC, as well as Guilty Gear. There are tons of genres and games for the PC in Japan. Where are they? Still in Japan. You think the PC is only in America? Thats just durka.Vandalvideo
So just because Ys 1, 2, 6, The Oath in Felghana and Origins were on PC, you've got more Japanese support then the 360? Two of those were from the 80s! I'm talking about Japanese games that were exclusive from after the 16-bit era. And Guilty Gear did not have it's original home on the PC, nor did the majority of Guilty Gear games come out for PC. I don't know about you, but I count three out of 19.
The developer and original idea for Guilty Gear was birthed on the PC. Not only that, but I'll repeat this once more. We have a HUGE catalog of Japanese support................its just all still in Japan.
Examples man, give me some examples! And I'm still not seeing the whole Guilty Gear birthed on PC thing.
[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="got_systems"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Oh wow, so we don't have SOME console franchises. What does this prove I ask you got_systems? That we don't have 4-5 franchises from consoles? WOOOOOO! I'd have you know Ys, one of the most successful JRPGs, has its original home on the PC, as well as Guilty Gear. There are tons of genres and games for the PC in Japan. Where are they? Still in Japan. You think the PC is only in America? Thats just durka.got_systems
So just because Ys 1, 2, 6, The Oath in Felghana and Origins were on PC, you've got more Japanese support then the 360? Two of those were from the 80s! I'm talking about Japanese games that were exclusive from after the 16-bit era. And Guilty Gear did not have it's original home on the PC, nor did the majority of Guilty Gear games come out for PC. I don't know about you, but I count three out of 19.
The developer and original idea for Guilty Gear was birthed on the PC. Not only that, but I'll repeat this once more. We have a HUGE catalog of Japanese support................its just all still in Japan.
Examples man, give me some examples! And I'm still not seeing the whole Guilty Gear birthed on PC thing.
To those who think wikipedia are valid sources: Its not. Anyway, much of the development team from Arc came from original PC development companies. Oh and why should I have to go around and dig up the over thousands of PC japanese titles out there? Its obvious they exist, the PC isn't american exclusive.
[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="_en1gma_"][QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="_en1gma_"][QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="_en1gma_"][QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="Hewkii"][QUOTE="_en1gma_"]lame lame lame_en1gma_I may as well ask... why?He is just being ignorant.
no it just seems like a hassle and impractical. Once again your ignorance is demonstrated, please stop quoting me.
Doing things that you can EASILY and is DESIGNED to do on consoles is a hassle. Sorry buddy ol pal. A lot of things about PC gaming is a hassle. I dont even want to boot up my PC it is too much of a hassle.Do you have Serious Sam?
No and I dont care about a single gameI understand. Sorry for being so harsh.
i mean a standard, split screen setup built into most games for casuals to easily access...and play on a tv with buddies out of a console with standard ports for 4 controllers Yeah, and split-screen on the PC shouldn't be compared to the experience you get on the consoles because the console experience is in a league of its own.
[QUOTE="_en1gma_"][QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="_en1gma_"][QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="_en1gma_"][QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="_en1gma_"][QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="Hewkii"][QUOTE="_en1gma_"]lame lame lamesmokeydabear076I may as well ask... why?He is just being ignorant.
no it just seems like a hassle and impractical. Once again your ignorance is demonstrated, please stop quoting me.
Doing things that you can EASILY and is DESIGNED to do on consoles is a hassle. Sorry buddy ol pal. A lot of things about PC gaming is a hassle. I dont even want to boot up my PC it is too much of a hassle.Do you have Serious Sam?
No and I dont care about a single gameI understand. Sorry for being so harsh.
i mean a standard, split screen setup built into most games for casuals to easily access...and play on a tv with buddies out of a console with standard ports for 4 controllers Yeah, and split-screen on the PC shouldn't be compared to the experience you get on the consoles because the console experience is in a league of its own.
You can get the EXACT SAME EXPERIENCE FOR CRYING OUT LOUD.
[QUOTE="_en1gma_"][QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="_en1gma_"][QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="_en1gma_"][QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="_en1gma_"][QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="Hewkii"][QUOTE="_en1gma_"]lame lame lamesmokeydabear076I may as well ask... why?He is just being ignorant.
no it just seems like a hassle and impractical. Once again your ignorance is demonstrated, please stop quoting me.
Doing things that you can EASILY and is DESIGNED to do on consoles is a hassle. Sorry buddy ol pal. A lot of things about PC gaming is a hassle. I dont even want to boot up my PC it is too much of a hassle.Do you have Serious Sam?
No and I dont care about a single gameI understand. Sorry for being so harsh.
i mean a standard, split screen setup built into most games for casuals to easily access...and play on a tv with buddies out of a console with standard ports for 4 controllers Yeah, and split-screen on the PC shouldn't be compared to the experience you get on the consoles because the console experience is in a league of its own.
you understand what i am sayin?
[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="_en1gma_"][QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="_en1gma_"][QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="_en1gma_"][QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="_en1gma_"][QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="Hewkii"][QUOTE="_en1gma_"]lame lame lameVandalvideoI may as well ask... why?He is just being ignorant.
no it just seems like a hassle and impractical. Once again your ignorance is demonstrated, please stop quoting me.
Doing things that you can EASILY and is DESIGNED to do on consoles is a hassle. Sorry buddy ol pal. A lot of things about PC gaming is a hassle. I dont even want to boot up my PC it is too much of a hassle.Do you have Serious Sam?
No and I dont care about a single gameI understand. Sorry for being so harsh.
i mean a standard, split screen setup built into most games for casuals to easily access...and play on a tv with buddies out of a console with standard ports for 4 controllers Yeah, and split-screen on the PC shouldn't be compared to the experience you get on the consoles because the console experience is in a league of its own.
You can get the EXACT SAME EXPERIENCE FOR CRYING OUT LOUD. If by experience you mean hassle, then yes.
[QUOTE="sonicmj1"]Ignorance is no excuse. The options are there, the options exist. That is all. To say "OMG I DIDN'T KNOW" and assume thats a valid reason........WHAT?! The fact of the matter is that the PC can be just as intuivite. No ifs, ands, ors or buts about that. "Anything you can do we can do better, sooner or later we're greater than you"
If I said can't, I didn't mean to. I meant that I couldn't get as much from a PC as I could from a console in those genres. I'm sure I could get a few games in those genres on the PC, and I could buy a gamepad that I could configure to my PC. But would it be worth it? Would those games be as good as what I can get on a console?
The ability to order a standardized PC with all the automation wasn't something I was aware of. It's another example of one of those things that hardcore PC users know about, but the relatively casual consumer is ignorant to.
The issue of complexity is one that can be circumvented, but it requires a lot of knowledge about what the PC is capable of and where to get it.
When people say that PCs are expensive, hermits say that, if you know where to shop, and you build it yourself, PCs are cheap. When people say that PCs take a lot of work to configure properly, with drivers and patches, hermits say that there are ways to automate it. When people say that you have to play your PC at a desk right next to a monitor, hermits say that, with the right cables and wireless hardware, you can play on your TV. When people say that you can't play certain genres on KB/M, hermits say that you can buy a gamepad. When people complain about installation, hermits say that you can make your PC stream games off the disk. When people complain about a lack of Japanese support, hermits say that you can import games.
Yes, you can do all of that, and you'll get a bunch of great stuff. But with a console, I don't have to have all that knowledge expected of me. I can buy the console at any electronics retailer for a single price. I can plug it into my TV with cables provided in the box. And I can take any game that I buy that's compatable with the console (clearly indicated on the game's box) and play it right away, using a controller that also comes with the console.
Which experience seems more intuitive?
Vandalvideo
The point is, the PC can't be just as intuitive. You can get close, if you take a series of unintuitive actions in order to achieve that, but in the end, it isn't. That's the difference. If you want to take the time to unlock all of the potential of PC gaming, then you may reap all the rewards that are there. But PC gaming is simply not as simple a prospect as console gaming. Purchasing a PC isn't as simple, setting up a PC isn't as simple, and using a PC isn't as simple.
PCs are great, but they aren't perfect.
[QUOTE="got_systems"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="got_systems"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Oh wow, so we don't have SOME console franchises. What does this prove I ask you got_systems? That we don't have 4-5 franchises from consoles? WOOOOOO! I'd have you know Ys, one of the most successful JRPGs, has its original home on the PC, as well as Guilty Gear. There are tons of genres and games for the PC in Japan. Where are they? Still in Japan. You think the PC is only in America? Thats just durka.Vandalvideo
So just because Ys 1, 2, 6, The Oath in Felghana and Origins were on PC, you've got more Japanese support then the 360? Two of those were from the 80s! I'm talking about Japanese games that were exclusive from after the 16-bit era. And Guilty Gear did not have it's original home on the PC, nor did the majority of Guilty Gear games come out for PC. I don't know about you, but I count three out of 19.
The developer and original idea for Guilty Gear was birthed on the PC. Not only that, but I'll repeat this once more. We have a HUGE catalog of Japanese support................its just all still in Japan.
Examples man, give me some examples! And I'm still not seeing the whole Guilty Gear birthed on PC thing.
To those who think wikipedia are valid sources: Its not. Anyway, much of the development team from Arc came from original PC development companies. Oh and why should I have to go around and dig up the over thousands of PC japanese titles out there? Its obvious they exist, the PC isn't american exclusive.
Unlike you though, claims in Wikipedia have to be backed up. And if these games aren't released in NA or EU, why should they count?
[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="sonicmj1"]Ignorance is no excuse. The options are there, the options exist. That is all. To say "OMG I DIDN'T KNOW" and assume thats a valid reason........WHAT?! The fact of the matter is that the PC can be just as intuivite. No ifs, ands, ors or buts about that. "Anything you can do we can do better, sooner or later we're greater than you"
If I said can't, I didn't mean to. I meant that I couldn't get as much from a PC as I could from a console in those genres. I'm sure I could get a few games in those genres on the PC, and I could buy a gamepad that I could configure to my PC. But would it be worth it? Would those games be as good as what I can get on a console?
The ability to order a standardized PC with all the automation wasn't something I was aware of. It's another example of one of those things that hardcore PC users know about, but the relatively casual consumer is ignorant to.
The issue of complexity is one that can be circumvented, but it requires a lot of knowledge about what the PC is capable of and where to get it.
When people say that PCs are expensive, hermits say that, if you know where to shop, and you build it yourself, PCs are cheap. When people say that PCs take a lot of work to configure properly, with drivers and patches, hermits say that there are ways to automate it. When people say that you have to play your PC at a desk right next to a monitor, hermits say that, with the right cables and wireless hardware, you can play on your TV. When people say that you can't play certain genres on KB/M, hermits say that you can buy a gamepad. When people complain about installation, hermits say that you can make your PC stream games off the disk. When people complain about a lack of Japanese support, hermits say that you can import games.
Yes, you can do all of that, and you'll get a bunch of great stuff. But with a console, I don't have to have all that knowledge expected of me. I can buy the console at any electronics retailer for a single price. I can plug it into my TV with cables provided in the box. And I can take any game that I buy that's compatable with the console (clearly indicated on the game's box) and play it right away, using a controller that also comes with the console.
Which experience seems more intuitive?
sonicmj1
The point is, the PC can't be just as intuitive. You can get close, if you take a series of unintuitive actions in order to achieve that, but in the end, it isn't. That's the difference. If you want to take the time to unlock all of the potential of PC gaming, then you may reap all the rewards that are there. But PC gaming is simply not as simple a prospect as console gaming. Purchasing a PC isn't as simple, setting up a PC isn't as simple, and using a PC isn't as simple.
PCs are great, but they aren't perfect.
You can walk down to a random PC store that carries standardized PCS like best buy, request one, go home, and hook two wires up to your hdtv. PREY-TELL WHAT THE **** is so hard about that ?
Finding if a PC game is compatible is confusing  :(Too bad incompatibility is a thing of the past. Most new games work with any modern PC.
It's easier to just pop in a DVD, CD, or even a cartridge and know for sure it'll work.Â
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[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="_en1gma_"][QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="_en1gma_"][QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="_en1gma_"][QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="_en1gma_"][QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="Hewkii"][QUOTE="_en1gma_"]lame lame lameVandalvideoI may as well ask... why?He is just being ignorant.
no it just seems like a hassle and impractical. Once again your ignorance is demonstrated, please stop quoting me.
Doing things that you can EASILY and is DESIGNED to do on consoles is a hassle. Sorry buddy ol pal. A lot of things about PC gaming is a hassle. I dont even want to boot up my PC it is too much of a hassle.Do you have Serious Sam?
No and I dont care about a single gameI understand. Sorry for being so harsh.
i mean a standard, split screen setup built into most games for casuals to easily access...and play on a tv with buddies out of a console with standard ports for 4 controllers Yeah, and split-screen on the PC shouldn't be compared to the experience you get on the consoles because the console experience is in a league of its own.
You can get the EXACT SAME EXPERIENCE FOR CRYING OUT LOUD.I had the console version of Serious Sam and I still own the PC version and I can agree with you that it is the same experience, but the reason why I say console split-screen gaming is in a league of it's own is that there are not enough PC games that support this feature and a lot of games do split-screen gaming better then Serious Sam. No games do online or lan 16 player coop better then Serious Sam though.
[QUOTE="sonicmj1"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="sonicmj1"]Ignorance is no excuse. The options are there, the options exist. That is all. To say "OMG I DIDN'T KNOW" and assume thats a valid reason........WHAT?! The fact of the matter is that the PC can be just as intuivite. No ifs, ands, ors or buts about that. "Anything you can do we can do better, sooner or later we're greater than you"
If I said can't, I didn't mean to. I meant that I couldn't get as much from a PC as I could from a console in those genres. I'm sure I could get a few games in those genres on the PC, and I could buy a gamepad that I could configure to my PC. But would it be worth it? Would those games be as good as what I can get on a console?
The ability to order a standardized PC with all the automation wasn't something I was aware of. It's another example of one of those things that hardcore PC users know about, but the relatively casual consumer is ignorant to.
The issue of complexity is one that can be circumvented, but it requires a lot of knowledge about what the PC is capable of and where to get it.
When people say that PCs are expensive, hermits say that, if you know where to shop, and you build it yourself, PCs are cheap. When people say that PCs take a lot of work to configure properly, with drivers and patches, hermits say that there are ways to automate it. When people say that you have to play your PC at a desk right next to a monitor, hermits say that, with the right cables and wireless hardware, you can play on your TV. When people say that you can't play certain genres on KB/M, hermits say that you can buy a gamepad. When people complain about installation, hermits say that you can make your PC stream games off the disk. When people complain about a lack of Japanese support, hermits say that you can import games.
Yes, you can do all of that, and you'll get a bunch of great stuff. But with a console, I don't have to have all that knowledge expected of me. I can buy the console at any electronics retailer for a single price. I can plug it into my TV with cables provided in the box. And I can take any game that I buy that's compatable with the console (clearly indicated on the game's box) and play it right away, using a controller that also comes with the console.
Which experience seems more intuitive?
Vandalvideo
The point is, the PC can't be just as intuitive. You can get close, if you take a series of unintuitive actions in order to achieve that, but in the end, it isn't. That's the difference. If you want to take the time to unlock all of the potential of PC gaming, then you may reap all the rewards that are there. But PC gaming is simply not as simple a prospect as console gaming. Purchasing a PC isn't as simple, setting up a PC isn't as simple, and using a PC isn't as simple.
PCs are great, but they aren't perfect.
You can walk down to a random PC store that carries standardized PCS like best buy, request one, go home, and hook two wires up to your hdtv. PREY-TELL WHAT THE **** is so hard about that ?
But can that PC play all the games you want it to play? Not necessarily. And how much did it cost? Probably significantly more than a console would, if you bought a premade one. And if you want to play a game, you'll still have to go through installation, unless you go and do a bunch of other things to avoid installing games on your own. And if you want to play on a gamepad, you have to buy a gamepad, and hook that up to your computer as well. And what if you don't have an HDTV? You have problems then, don't you?
Not to skip over the part where you buy the premade PC. There are many different premade PCs, each with a different price and different hardware. How much processing power do you want in your CPU? How much RAM? Hard drive space? What disk drives do you need? Graphics cards? Different premade PCs have different combinations of these components, and at different prices. And you have to be sure to get one powerful enough that it lasts you a good long time. But you wouldn't want to spend more than you need to, because then you're just wasting money.
There are a ton of factors and headaches in PC gaming that simply don't exist on consoles.
1. Mommy won't buy them a gaming PC :cry:
2. All they know how to use to control games is a noobstick (Gamepad).
3. They are so silly, they think PC gamers actually have buy EVERY graphics card that comes out every 6 months to play a game you can play with the graphics card we actually bought 3 years ago.
4. They don't know what mods is.
5. They don't have any technical knowledge and use their mom's compaq pc to post in system wars at gamespot.
6. Console Gamers actually think there is more people playing on Xbox live than anywhere else. :lol:
7. If a console gamer actually got on the microphone and talked over a PC game they would wonder:Â Why isn't anyone saying racist remarks and where are the annoying 13 year olds cussing?
8. Their casual pot smoking madden and san andreas playing friends will stop talking to them.
9. Console gamer thinking:
 A thousand dollars for a great PC that plays games? ARE YOU INSANE?
 A thousand dollars for a PC that surfs the web? Yeah Id buy that!
10: Console gamers are so ignorant, they actually think you have to play with EVERY button on the keyboard for a PC game, LoL Even the windows start button.
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