Reasons why the 360 is rubbish

where do i start...

1. by far the worst and most unreliable hardware with its rings of death and overheating problems.

2. Releasing the core unit with no hdd which could effect devs decisions to use it.

3. still no built in wifi for the elite and continues with major hardware faults *even after a year and more* come on.

4. still using dvd9's limiting work for devs.

5. MS milking everyone with there choices and should of released the elite at the beginning.

6. still has no games that equal the more life like animations that Drakes fortune uses. that includes walking through swaying and movable foliage and some of the most realistic jungle environments to this date.

7. still no 360 game that equals the draw distance and big environments seen in heavenly sword and lair.

8. Still needs to rely on the UE3 to make the 360 games look good. PS3 continues to use its own engines and art direction to show the PS3s true power.

9. Still continues with its more so trend of shootem ups and mindless storylines that require no real skill..with no proper art direction.

10. so damn loud.

where do i start...

 

1. by far the worst and most unreliable hardware with its rings of death and overheating problems.

2. Releasing the core unit with no hdd which could effect devs decisions to use it.

3. still no built in wifi for the elite and continues with major hardware faults *even after a year and more* come on.

4. still using dvd9's limiting work for devs.

5. MS milking everyone with there choices and should of released the elite at the beginning.

6. still has no games that equal the more life like animations that Drakes fortune uses. that includes walking through swaying and movable foliage and some of the most realistic jungle environments to this date.

7. still no 360 game that equals the draw distance and big environments seen in heavenly sword and lair.

8. Still needs to rely on the UE3 to make the 360 games look good. PS3 continues to use its own engines and art direction to show the PS3s true power.

9. Still continues with its more so trend of shootem ups and mindless storylines that require no real skill..with no proper art direction.

10. so damn loud.

-Maddog-

You must be new around here.

yes, the hardware problem is a really making alot of people mad. 3 out of 5 friends i know got a broken paper weight now. and one of them traded it in for a PS 3.

Most of that was hardware or technical comparisons to PS3 games that aren't even out.

Games are where it's at, and noone can argue that 360 beats PS3 in that department at this point.

Now go ahead, tell me to wait a bit more, and then I'll see the truth.  :P 

where do i start...

 

1. by far the worst and most unreliable hardware with its rings of death and overheating problems.

2. Releasing the core unit with no hdd which could effect devs decisions to use it.

3. still no built in wifi for the elite and continues with major hardware faults *even after a year and more* come on.

4. still using dvd9's limiting work for devs.

5. MS milking everyone with there choices and should of released the elite at the beginning.

6. still has no games that equal the more life like animations that Drakes fortune uses. that includes walking through swaying and movable foliage and some of the most realistic jungle environments to this date.

7. still no 360 game that equals the draw distance and big environments seen in heavenly sword and lair.

8. Still needs to rely on the UE3 to make the 360 games look good. PS3 continues to use its own engines and art direction to show the PS3s true power.

9. Still continues with its more so trend of shootem ups and mindless storylines that require no real skill..with no proper art direction.

10. so damn loud.

-Maddog-

Reason's why your argument fails

1.  My launch system is running quietly as we speak.

2. You list games that haven't even come out yet because the PS3's library is a joke and makes fanboy's such as yourself resort to this wait and see attitude because you have nothing to brag about.

3. The unreal engine owns any proprietary Sony engine, as GeOW still destroys all PS3 games and the future releases that you mention.

4. Mindless story lines are subject to your opinion that seems to have no support or factual evidence to make it valid.

5. DVD9 is still used by the majority of developers making it hands down the cheapest and easiest way to make games, on the same token Blu-ray's ridiculous cost is driving developers to have to make games multi-platform on the 360 and Wii to counteract the PS3's poor sales and just to break even with development costs on an unproven HD-format.

I could go on, but your argument was dead long ago.

when will people realize that none of the three systems are rubbish

wow just cause 360 games arent like ps3 games you call the 360 rubbish?

and my 360 i picked up last year works perfectly.

and elites dont break.

s.

7. still no 360 game that equals the draw distance and big environments seen in heavenly sword and lair

-Maddog-

i heard a xbox 360 blew up and killed some boy's pet dog. the boy still hasn't recovered.......................................................................damn microsoft.LOKI-RA

And that boy is the topc creator...may his puppy rest in peace. 

yes, the hardware problem is a really making alot of people mad. 3 out of 5 friends i know got a broken paper weight now. and one of them traded it in for a PS 3.

 

Game13a13y

1. You have a point there. However, it is nowhere near as bad as many make out.

2. Indeed. Though the same can be said for the PS2, GC, DS, PSP, Wii and any other console. It was the one thing that the Xbox had over the PS2, and now that the PS3 has it and Xbox 360 doesn't, it's like it really matters now...

3. You already stated one thing. As for WiFi - the option is there if people want it. Rather than saddle people with a tech they may not want - most people enjoy not having to fork out heaps for tech they don't want or need. It would be a nice addition, but it's not as if it is a necessity.

4. DVD9's are nowhere near limited. There hasn't been a single game yet that has gone over DVD9, except for Blue Dragon, and even that wasn't a requirement. It won't stop games being made, and it won't limit developments either.

5. Milking is what you call a $600 machine which at best can do a fancy slideshow and has no games for it. The Xbox 360 launched with great games and continues to get them. The Elite wasn't required at launch, and unless you are really into movies, isn't required now. 20GB is more than enough for gaming for now.

6. Using a game that isn't out yet is just asking for ownage. And really, how many animations does someone really need? Lifelike or not - who really cares when a game has one major requirement? It needs to entertain. And there are heaps of Xbox 360 games that do that.

7. Please - using more games that aren't out to compare? And whatever happened to the draw distance in Oblivion? You can see for ages in that...

8. Incorrect again. Sure, the biggest game is Gears and it certainly looks good, but not all games rely on it. It's up to the developer to decide what engine to use, and UE3 has proven itself a solid engine. Where is the ownage here, btw?  In any case, I point you towards Kameo, Perfect Dark Zero, Viva Pinata, PGR3 - all of which are MS games and don't use UE3 and still manage to look great. As for art direction, Gears has great art direction, it's a reason it got the art direction GOTY, and other games have great art direction too, such as Crackdown, Bullet Witch and Viva Pinata - all of which are only on Xbox 360 and don't use UE3...

9. Arguing the same point is stupid, really. And have a look at this, what is the biggest selling PS3 game? Resistance. Same with Xbox 360, Gears of War. Whats wrong with a good shooter? Besides which, the shooter argument is dead. MS games like Viva Pinata, Crackdown and PGR3 prove this. Besides, it still has heaps to offer besides shooters, and there is nothing wrong with shooters anyway...

10. Tired argument that holds no truth.

[QUOTE="Game13a13y"]

yes, the hardware problem is a really making alot of people mad. 3 out of 5 friends i know got a broken paper weight now. and one of them traded it in for a PS 3.

 

RockysCatnipCo

i don't only have friends who game.  :|

[QUOTE="RockysCatnipCo"][QUOTE="Game13a13y"]

yes, the hardware problem is a really making alot of people mad. 3 out of 5 friends i know got a broken paper weight now. and one of them traded it in for a PS 3.

 

Game13a13y

i don't only have friends who game.  :|

I don't even understand how people can even hate on the 360, it's one of the best gaming systems I've ever owned...and just for reference, I've had a nes, super nes, genesis, n64, virtual boy (lol), dreamcast, saturn, ps1, ps2, Game boy, gba, ds, game gear, gamecube, wii....I think that's it...might be more. Other than the hardware failures (which i haven't got.....) I don't really see any way to even thoughtfully bash the console....it's damn near perfect. anyways, thats my 2 cents.

edit: lol, i forgot xbox 

8. Still needs to rely on the UE3 to make the 360 games look good. PS3 continues to use its own engines and art direction to show the PS3s true power.-Maddog-

What the hell does that even mean? PS3 continues to use its own engines? Do you even know what you're talking about? First of all so far only one game makes use of the engine and that is Gears of War which is from the original engine developer anyways. Secondly you make it sound like the engine is a mystical external force which adds functionality to the Xbox 360 that isn't already there, the engine makes use of built in functionality which is there for all developers to use but it just happens Epic was able to make the best use of it so far. Also the engine was written for the 360 (yes parts of the engine are similar in both the 360 and PS3 version), it's not like it was written specifically for the PS3 and encompassed parts of the PS3 which are able to deliver such graphics and now the 360 is able to do the same as the result. Most games written for the 360 have their own unique engines.

[QUOTE="-Maddog-"]

tempest91

1.  My launch system is running quietly as we speak.

for #8 crysis is going to be on a DVD or a DVD9

/thread 

[QUOTE="tempest91"][QUOTE="-Maddog-"]

jessesalinas

1.  My launch system is running quietly as we speak.

but with the sounds from your tv how can you hear it?

[QUOTE="-Maddog-"]

where do i start...

 

1. by far the worst and most unreliable hardware with its rings of death and overheating problems.

2. Releasing the core unit with no hdd which could effect devs decisions to use it.

3. still no built in wifi for the elite and continues with major hardware faults *even after a year and more* come on.

4. still using dvd9's limiting work for devs.

5. MS milking everyone with there choices and should of released the elite at the beginning.

6. still has no games that equal the more life like animations that Drakes fortune uses. that includes walking through swaying and movable foliage and some of the most realistic jungle environments to this date.

7. still no 360 game that equals the draw distance and big environments seen in heavenly sword and lair.

8. Still needs to rely on the UE3 to make the 360 games look good. PS3 continues to use its own engines and art direction to show the PS3s true power.

9. Still continues with its more so trend of shootem ups and mindless storylines that require no real skill..with no proper art direction.

10. so damn loud.

tempest91

Reason's why your argument fails

1.  My launch system is running quietly as we speak.

2. You list games that haven't even come out yet because the PS3's library is a joke and makes fanboy's such as yourself resort to this wait and see attitude because you have nothing to brag about.

3. The unreal engine owns any proprietary Sony engine, as GeOW still destroys all PS3 games and the future releases that you mention.

4. Mindless story lines are subject to your opinion that seems to have no support or factual evidence to make it valid.

5. DVD9 is still used by the majority of developers making it hands down the cheapest and easiest way to make games, on the same token Blu-ray's ridiculous cost is driving developers to have to make games multi-platform on the 360 and Wii to counteract the PS3's poor sales and just to break even with development costs on an unproven HD-format.

I could go on, but your argument was dead long ago.

2. they 360 library was stronger at its 6th month but not by much, dont forget where the 360 came from, i know because i got one at launch (remember Gun, perfect dark zero, madden 06,ect...)

3. Ge OW came out a year after 360...give sony a chance

4. I only speak facts

5. Although what you say is true here, blu ray will catch on ... once production cost go down the retail prices will also, thus helping the spread of blu ray into the average house hold...

5. MS milking everyone with there choices and should of released the elite at the beginning.

-Maddog-

8. Still needs to rely on the UE3 to make the 360 games look good. PS3 continues to use its own engines and art direction to show the PS3s true power.

-Maddog-

I lol'ed again. Engine does not emphasize an art direction. Gears of War and Rainbow Six Vegas both use the Unreal 3 Engine yet look and play very differently. You fail :)


I disagree with everything else, you silly fanboy, but the only things I do agree with is the unstability of the hardware and how it's loud. But from my point of view, I see no other choice this generation. PS3 just isn't up to standard with my kind of games.

where do i start...

 

1. by far the worst and most unreliable hardware with its rings of death and overheating problems.

2. Releasing the core unit with no hdd which could effect devs decisions to use it.

3. still no built in wifi for the elite and continues with major hardware faults *even after a year and more* come on.

4. still using dvd9's limiting work for devs.

5. MS milking everyone with there choices and should of released the elite at the beginning.

6. still has no games that equal the more life like animations that Drakes fortune uses. that includes walking through swaying and movable foliage and some of the most realistic jungle environments to this date.

7. still no 360 game that equals the draw distance and big environments seen in heavenly sword and lair.

8. Still needs to rely on the UE3 to make the 360 games look good. PS3 continues to use its own engines and art direction to show the PS3s true power.

9. Still continues with its more so trend of shootem ups and mindless storylines that require no real skill..with no proper art direction.

10. so damn loud.

-Maddog-

If you don't like it why do you think about it and make threads?

THe PS3 is 10 times worse. FOr example online service and sellection of games.turgore

10 times worse? rofl, that fanboying and so is the TC. 

where do i start...

 

1. by far the worst and most unreliable hardware with its rings of death and overheating problems.

2. Releasing the core unit with no hdd which could effect devs decisions to use it.

3. still no built in wifi for the elite and continues with major hardware faults *even after a year and more* come on.

4. still using dvd9's limiting work for devs.

5. MS milking everyone with there choices and should of released the elite at the beginning.

6. still has no games that equal the more life like animations that Drakes fortune uses. that includes walking through swaying and movable foliage and some of the most realistic jungle environments to this date.

7. still no 360 game that equals the draw distance and big environments seen in heavenly sword and lair.

8. Still needs to rely on the UE3 to make the 360 games look good. PS3 continues to use its own engines and art direction to show the PS3s true power.

9. Still continues with its more so trend of shootem ups and mindless storylines that require no real skill..with no proper art direction.

10. so damn loud.

-Maddog-

1. Not the sligtest problem ever for me, guess i am of the few lucky ones that got one on release

2. Oblivion uses it, if others do not, their loss

3. What is Wi-Fi, is it a gaming nessesary feature ?

4. Oblivion fits, GTA4 fits, Blue Dragon 3 DVD's, any game could be 2-4 DVD's = no big deal

5. The Elite could have flopped as hard as PS3 

6. Splinter Cell 5, 10x better lighting than Drake, and physics/animation to kill for

7. Kameo, with better textures too, Ace Combat 6, Oblivion, SHivering Isles with 10x better textures than anything

8. Fable 2 will not use UE3.0 and is by far the most impressive 360 game

9. Let us decide about the best arty direction, Fable 2, Lost Odyssey, Blue Dragon, Bioshock, Mass Effect all look STUNNING and are far from shooters

10. DAMN, i agree to that, i mean they should be killed for that

Well referring the Red Rings... that and the noisy fans are what holds me of from the X360. Yeah I know MS says it's 3-5% and that's a normal failure rate for electronic products. But on the other side when I hear that there are people on their 3rd or 5th X360 I really doubt that the numbers from MS are correct!

yes, the hardware problem is a really making alot of people mad. 3 out of 5 friends i know got a broken paper weight now. and one of them traded it in for a PS 3.

 

Game13a13y

Man the fakeboys are coming out of the woodwork tonight. ;) 

well it has halo 3 and gears , thats why i bought it , but yeah there r peopel who gone through 7 ROD , and many folkds over xs forum have 4+ RMAs lol ...

i think the problem with RMA is that they give u a crap one , not relaly a new one.. so if ur box is fine for a while then it should be fine , but once u get ROD its very likely that ull get another one with ROD .. lol thats my hteory

I can only say that I won't be buying a 360 until IBM start producing Xenon with 65nm technic.

This will probably solve some of the overheating problems.

Microsoft creates them. Microsoft ruin's everything it touches.LOKI-RA

Yeah, that's they became one of the biggest companies ever made, by ruining all their products...

where do i start...

 

1. by far the worst and most unreliable hardware with its rings of death and overheating problems.

2. Releasing the core unit with no hdd which could effect devs decisions to use it.

3. still no built in wifi for the elite and continues with major hardware faults *even after a year and more* come on.

4. still using dvd9's limiting work for devs.

5. MS milking everyone with there choices and should of released the elite at the beginning.

6. still has no games that equal the more life like animations that Drakes fortune uses. that includes walking through swaying and movable foliage and some of the most realistic jungle environments to this date.

7. still no 360 game that equals the draw distance and big environments seen in heavenly sword and lair.

8. Still needs to rely on the UE3 to make the 360 games look good. PS3 continues to use its own engines and art direction to show the PS3s true power.

9. Still continues with its more so trend of shootem ups and mindless storylines that require no real skill..with no proper art direction.

10. so damn loud.

-Maddog-

1. that's true, but can be avoided if you actually know about WHY it does that. also, if you didn't know why, you can get it replaced.

2. making it more affordable to those who don't have the money with the option of upgrading later has nothing to do with developers.

3. i don't think anyone has room to bash XBOX Live in any way, wifi or not.

4. DVD-9 can do anything BR does. the difference is space. a game is insanely huge and takes up a whole BR? it'll take you about 10 seconds to switch to the disc 2 of the 360 version.

5. what did you expect? it's Microsoft. they're evil. of course they're gonna try and milk everything they can.

6. sorry, that sounds so ignorant. i'm sure many people will name some in this thread.

7. again back to the DVD-9/BR thing, all that stuff does is take up more space both DVD-9 and BR can do it without a problem.

8. that's funny. so are you saying every good 360 game is on that U3 engine? are you saying that no future PS3 games are using the U3 engine?

9. no real skill? if making GoW requires no skill, why don't you make something too so you can make a few million bucks.

10. yes, you're right there. it's so freckin loud. i heard the elite isn't as loud because it's put together and aligned a bit differently onto the motherboard, but i actually haven't even seen an elite yet, so i don't know for sure.

okay, well you're a Sony fan with a big helping of denial.   The 360 is one of the best experiences I've ever had with a console.   I've owned just about everything since the Intellivision.   I love everything about it - with the game selection.... there's a neverending supply of good games.    I have a queue of games that I own that I need to play - plus new games coming out weekly.   I love the Live system and the achievements that keep me playing and that I can see what my friends are playing.   It's great....  right now it would be my first choice of the current generation.    Again IMHO.bb2jidm

I was wondering if you have had the joy of downloading the Gears of War content in the Xbox Live Marketplace for a fee? 

Map packs of this nature have always been free from Epic on PC's.

[QUOTE="bb2jidm"]okay, well you're a Sony fan with a big helping of denial. The 360 is one of the best experiences I've ever had with a console. I've owned just about everything since the Intellivision. I love everything about it - with the game selection.... there's a neverending supply of good games. I have a queue of games that I own that I need to play - plus new games coming out weekly. I love the Live system and the achievements that keep me playing and that I can see what my friends are playing. It's great.... right now it would be my first choice of the current generation. Again IMHO.Subcritical

I was wondering if you have had the joy of downloading the Gears of War content in the Xbox Live Marketplace for a fee?

Map packs of this nature have always been free from Epic on PC's.

man, in this day, age, and console generation, everyone's gonna screw us over not just MS :(

it's "system wars" isn't it? of course they're gonna try and milk out everything they can to try and win the war. too bad we pay the price eh :( 

So, people still make these threads here, funny

The truth is the PS3 is not really any more powerful than the 360, you DON'T need Blu-ray for gaming (last time I checked, my PC does not have a Blu-ray drive, and it seems to be fine), and having a choice with regards to how much you can spend on a 360 is a good thing

As for the unreal engine, it is fantastic, and makes it easier for developers to harness the power of these machines, without having to have the cost of developing a propietary engine, it makes sense, and I can gaurantee you it will be used on the PS3

As for the noise, I don't get it, its not any louder than the computer I'm sitting at right now, why do people **** about the fan noise, I have the system sitting on top of my TV, and I sit across the room, turn the system on, and do not notice the fan at all, are you guys hold the 360 in your lap as you play, the fan noise is such a small issue, it something PS3 fanboy bring up along with the "rings of death" to try to put down the 360 because as it sits right now the 360 is alot better then the PS3, its all about games

where do i start...

 

1. by far the worst and most unreliable hardware with its rings of death and overheating problems.

2. Releasing the core unit with no hdd which could effect devs decisions to use it.

3. still no built in wifi for the elite and continues with major hardware faults *even after a year and more* come on.

4. still using dvd9's limiting work for devs.

5. MS milking everyone with there choices and should of released the elite at the beginning.

6. still has no games that equal the more life like animations that Drakes fortune uses. that includes walking through swaying and movable foliage and some of the most realistic jungle environments to this date.

7. still no 360 game that equals the draw distance and big environments seen in heavenly sword and lair.

8. Still needs to rely on the UE3 to make the 360 games look good. PS3 continues to use its own engines and art direction to show the PS3s true power.

9. Still continues with its more so trend of shootem ups and mindless storylines that require no real skill..with no proper art direction.

10. so damn loud.

-Maddog-

Why does everyone think they are more smart than those billion dollar companies??!!I mean they arent fools they have build their consoles over past decades I think they know what they are doing more than anyone! so no more of these stupid threads! gawddd!!

your right the 360 fails unlike sony who

1)has 1 or 2 great games in thier library

2)system overheats after 5min of playing a blu ray movie on ocasion

3)whose expensive technology was forced on a consumer who might not need it

4)who said that the cgi trailers at e3 were real

5)who compared the ps3 to a fine dinner and said that the ps3 was shooting for the sun

6)who said the ps3 was too cheap

7)who's losing alot of exclusives to microsoft

8)who's online is free but not together as of now

9) who's system is way to expensive for the child to teen market that the system is usually ment for

10)who's system has sold the least out of everyone

you know why blu ray has more space? because the compression uses an older technology which needs more space to store the data, this compression loses quality in sound and picture.

sony is losing tons of mony on this console which as of now is selling poorly. i know its fun to say you have to wait, i thought if i did that with my psp magic would happen but it didnt! microsoft had decent games at launch most of which are better then ps3's. i wont lie and say they were the best looking or best games out, but for launch they were good. who knows right now who will win the console race but as of now sony is losing from a market and consumer standpoint. 

I say Sony owes you one. After 2 generations of crappy hardware and milking you for stuff that should have been in the system, they finally got it right. And it's only 600 bucks. Yay!

I love how people seem to forget that the PS1 was just as bad. Everybody I knew has the laser problem where tou had to turn it on it's side. I had to turn mine completely upside down to get it to work..I never had a problem with my PS2 but a lot of people did so, Mr Glasshouse, stop throwing stones please.

And PSN better than XBL?  :lol: x100000