Red steel could have been SO COOL if it was done right

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#1 6icks_tea_4hoar
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so i rented red steel the other day, and i must say, it has a lot of potential as a franchise. they missed the mark on a lot of things, though.

  • 1:1 swordfighting: come on, this is a part of the basic premise for this game. if you're only going to do two things, you should at least do them well. i found that merely shaking the wiimote can kill a guy, and something is severely wrong with that. this leads me to my next suggestion...
  • it's called artificial intelligence for a reason: i don't know about you, but if i was getting shot at, i would.... i don't know, look for some cover? at least run?
  • no shooting gallery elements:  the guys freaking pop up at you like the haunted mansion. that has to stop.
  • online multiplayer: isn't this supposed to be standard by now?
  • i want to slice and dice like a ronco product: i hate those stupid "now we must duel" moments. if you come to a gunfight with nothing but a katana, you deserve to be shot. what i want is an uzi in one hand and a katana in the other and rain lead and steel into the hearts of my adversaries. aaaaw yeah. 8)

this is the kind of stuff i thought the game would be when i first heard of it way back in 200X. i was so dissapointed when i played it and shook my head at the missed opportunities ("rushed" is the word that came to mind when i played the game). if red steel 2 comes out and is what red steel 1 tried to be, it would be AAA for sure.

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#2 web966
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It was a huge disapointment. That game sucked so bad.
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#3 16bitkevin
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Let's hope Ubisoft listens to all the complaints and fix them in Red Steel 2.
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#4 Hoffgod
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Thank you for explaining exactly why I am very excited about Red Steel 2.
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#5 Riviera_Phantom
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Is there even going to be a Red Steel 2? I hope not. Just make a new IP. Red Steel sucked and people won't buy the 2nd one.
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#6 SyluxElite
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I enjoyed Red Steel.................... 0-0  It was definatly rushed but fun none the less.  7.3 in my book and underated on Gamespot. :)
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#7 Warfust
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Thank you for explaining exactly why I am very excited about Red Steel 2.Hoffgod
If they do it right, it will be great. If they don't hurry, a Star Wars games will beat them to it.
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#8 Warfust
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Thank you for explaining exactly why I am very excited about Red Steel 2.Hoffgod
If they do it right, it will be great. If they don't hurry, a Star Wars games will beat them to it.
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#9 fatzombiepigeon
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I could have been a brain surgeon if I had worked hard enough at school. Point is I didn't. All games could have been cool if done right, but most are just steaming piles of mediocrity and failure unworthy of being placed in your console's disc tray.

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#10 Hoffgod
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Red Steel 2 is coming. They blatantly hinted at it on the Red Steel website and a job listing for Red Steel 2 popped up. Can't blame them for making it, though. Red Steel has sold very well. Expect it to get a retitling or something. It'll be Red Steel, but expect a title that isn't "Red Steel 2"
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#11 Riviera_Phantom
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[QUOTE="Hoffgod"]Red Steel 2 is coming. They blatantly hinted at it on the Red Steel website and a job listing for Red Steel 2 popped up. Can't blame them for making it, though. Red Steel has sold very well. Expect it to get a retitling or something. It'll be Red Steel, but expect a title that isn't "Red Steel 2"

Gameplay aside the first game was bad. VA, terrible, story was terrible and even though it had a decent art direction it was horribly realized. I say just pack it in an develop a new IP.
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And if the whole game could have had the same graphics as some of the end levels.
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Is there even going to be a Red Steel 2? I hope not. Just make a new IP. Red Steel sucked and people won't buy the 2nd one. Riviera_Phantom
So why do people want to buy a Killzone 2 if the first sucked so bad. Protential. Thats why.
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#14 Marka1700
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[QUOTE="Riviera_Phantom"][QUOTE="Hoffgod"]Red Steel 2 is coming. They blatantly hinted at it on the Red Steel website and a job listing for Red Steel 2 popped up. Can't blame them for making it, though. Red Steel has sold very well. Expect it to get a retitling or something. It'll be Red Steel, but expect a title that isn't "Red Steel 2"

Gameplay aside the first game was bad. VA, terrible, story was terrible and even though it had a decent art direction it was horribly realized. I say just pack it in an develop a new IP.

After the first one sold so well, they will probably spend a couple of months and spit that same turd out again in hopes it will repeat the previous success.
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#15 ArisShadows
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[QUOTE="Marka1700"][QUOTE="Riviera_Phantom"][QUOTE="Hoffgod"]Red Steel 2 is coming. They blatantly hinted at it on the Red Steel website and a job listing for Red Steel 2 popped up. Can't blame them for making it, though. Red Steel has sold very well. Expect it to get a retitling or something. It'll be Red Steel, but expect a title that isn't "Red Steel 2"

Gameplay aside the first game was bad. VA, terrible, story was terrible and even though it had a decent art direction it was horribly realized. I say just pack it in an develop a new IP.

After the first one sold so well, they will probably spend a couple of months and spit that same turd out again in hopes it will repeat the previous success.

All of those can be fixed.
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I can't believe they said they used FEAR as a basis for the AI.  Turned out to be horrible AI, with freezing problems too.
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#17 Hoffgod
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[QUOTE="Riviera_Phantom"]Is there even going to be a Red Steel 2? I hope not. Just make a new IP. Red Steel sucked and people won't buy the 2nd one. ArisShadows
So why do people want to buy a Killzone 2 if the first sucked so bad. Protential. Thats why.

Well put.
Gameplay aside the first game was bad. VA, terrible, story was terrible and even though it had a decent art direction it was horribly realized. I say just pack it in an develop a new IP.Riviera_Phantom
Hey, I liked the story! It was so camp it was enjoyable. But the rest of the stuff is easily fixed. The only bad VA was from people playing Japanese characters trying to do English. It was painful. So just do Japanese voices and use subtitles. You're the bodyguard of the daughter of a Yakuza boss. You should know Japanese. And the art direction, like so many aspects of the game, could be dramatically improved with more time given to the developers. I'm convinced that Red Steel would've been an amazing game if the devs had another 6-12 months to work on it.
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#18 goblaa
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I find adding the sword fights to the game was just silly. Even if you can have a sword in one hand and a gun in the other, why would you ever use the sword? There's a reason swords arn't used anymore these days.
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#19 -The-G-Man-
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Yeah, it did have a lot of potential.  The voice acting, swordfighting, AI, multiplayer, and the fact that this felt like a glorified shooting gallery sucked, though.

And yeah, I always wondered why I had to duel the guy.  Why can't I take out my gun and blast him, Indiana Jones-style?

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#20 braydee1234
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I agree. The basic idea behind the game blended all the best parts of what makes the Wii different. It's a real shame that they've not made a much better game.
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I agree. The basic idea behind the game blended all the best parts of what makes the Wii different. It's a real shame that they've not made a much better game.
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#22 6icks_tea_4hoar
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I find adding the sword fights to the game was just silly. Even if you can have a sword in one hand and a gun in the other, why would you ever use the sword? There's a reason swords arn't used anymore these days.goblaa
use the uzi to take out the far away guys and use the katana to take out the guys that are two inches from you. 8)
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While I've read the reviews,and think these ideas would make Red Steel 2 better than the first (if it does happen),I would like to play Red Steel (1) and see how it is.I may rent it,or play a friend's copy,but I've heard so many good comments and I've even had friends in real life tell me it's good,I want to try it out first and see how it is myself and how I think it could be improved.
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#24 goblaa
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[QUOTE="goblaa"]I find adding the sword fights to the game was just silly. Even if you can have a sword in one hand and a gun in the other, why would you ever use the sword? There's a reason swords arn't used anymore these days.6icks_tea_4hoar
use the uzi to take out the far away guys and use the katana to take out the guys that are two inches from you. 8)


Why not just shoot them at two inches away? It's not like they could dodge the bullets at that close a range nor could you possibly miss.
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#25 Lanfeix
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I find adding the sword fights to the game was just silly. Even if you can have a sword in one hand and a gun in the other, why would you ever use the sword? There's a reason swords arn't used anymore these days.goblaa
goblaa do you attauly play 40K? if you did as your sig suggest I find it hard to see why you complain about swords?
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[QUOTE="goblaa"]I find adding the sword fights to the game was just silly. Even if you can have a sword in one hand and a gun in the other, why would you ever use the sword? There's a reason swords arn't used anymore these days.Lanfeix
goblaa do you attauly play 40K? if you did as your sig suggest I find it hard to see why you complain about swords?

Heh, ya. xD
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I was hyped for the potential and we got stuck with bad execution :(. Hopefully if they decide to make a new one, they'll listen to reviews and gamers to get it right.
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#29 6icks_tea_4hoar
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Wait for the sequel. I agree with you, but dual wielding a katana and gun seems really unrealistic. I just want to be able to change from gun to katana whenever i please.hummer700

that's why we have videogames.;)
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#30 muhamaghat
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Is there even going to be a Red Steel 2? I hope not. Just make a new IP. Red Steel sucked and people won't buy the 2nd one. Riviera_Phantom
wtf are you talking about ? lots of people, like me, would buy the second one. I expected this game was going to be worse. it impressed me. although UBI could use a better debugging team... If you are saying this game is horrible. stop rating untill you PLAY the game.
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[QUOTE="goblaa"]I find adding the sword fights to the game was just silly. Even if you can have a sword in one hand and a gun in the other, why would you ever use the sword? There's a reason swords arn't used anymore these days.6icks_tea_4hoar
use the uzi to take out the far away guys and use the katana to take out the guys that are two inches from you. 8)

That's actually what you do in the game.  But there was no reason you couldn't smack the guys in the skull with your gun.