Remember before this gen when many of you thought the Wii would be last?

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#1 jedigemini
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Do you find it kind of embarassing that the Wii is obliterating the PS3/360 now?

Are you ready to admit to your ownage?

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#2 foxhound_fox
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The Wii is still in second place and will not be "obliterating" anything until it is selling double the PS3 and 360 combined per month.
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#3 Super-Mario-Fan
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Some stubborn people here on SW need to realize that the game market is much bigger than all the 20 year old males that hang out here.
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#4 Norule04
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Do you find it kind of embarassing that the Wii is obliterating the PS3/360 now?

Are you ready to admit to your ownage?

jedigemini

Nope I just hoped nintendo wouldn't get lazy and release such crappy games for the Wii so people like me get bored like ****. Seriously are you really that happy with the Wii selling so well?? do you really want ms and sony go into the same direction?? do you like playing low budget 50 dollar games with no innovation and crappy graphics??? be my guest.

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I don't let the success or failure of a video game console embarrass me.
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They thought it would end up last because of its underpowered graphics, and virtually everybody here cares a great deal about fancy, polished photo-realistic graphics. Their miscalculation, though, was assuming that casuals and non-gamers care about the same things they do.
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#7 jedigemini
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The Wii is still in second place and will not be "obliterating" anything until it is selling double the PS3 and 360 combined per month.foxhound_fox
The Wii sold nearly 100, 000 more than the the 360/PS3 combined in April... sounds like obliteration to me.
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#8 AfterShafter
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Some stubborn people here on SW need to realize that the game market is much bigger than all the 20 year old males that hang out here.Super-Mario-Fan


True.  On the other hand, some people here in SW need to realize that there is more to the game market than the number of consoles sold per month.  Last time I checked, most of us don't work for the companies making the consoles.
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Nope I just hoped nintendo wouldn't get lazy and release such crappy games for the Wii so people like me get bored like ****. Seriously are you really that happy with the Wii selling so well?? do you really want ms and sony go into the same direction?? do you like playing low budget 50 dollar games with no innovation and crappy graphics??? be my guest.Norule04


Nintendo is releasing high quality games as usual, it is the third parties who are dishing out the garbage. Low budget games allow for independent and very creative developers to make their games and have a chance on the market with the big teams. The Wii is doing something different this generation.... and if this is something bad for industry and MS and Sony follow it, then that is their fault, not the Wii's.
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[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]The Wii is still in second place and will not be "obliterating" anything until it is selling double the PS3 and 360 combined per month.jedigemini
The Wii sold nearly 100, 000 more than the the 360/PS3 combined in April... sounds like obliteration to me.

Link saying that the Wii has sold more than the 360/PS3 combined because I know for a fact that just in the US the 360 has never dipped below 100K units and the PS3 sold 86K units almost making 200K and I doubt he Wii sold that much in one month. Not because I don't think they can, but because this shortage is holding the Wii back tremendously.

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[QUOTE="jedigemini"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]The Wii is still in second place and will not be "obliterating" anything until it is selling double the PS3 and 360 combined per month.DA_B0MB

The Wii sold nearly 100, 000 more than the the 360/PS3 combined in April... sounds like obliteration to me.

Link saying that the Wii has sold more than the 360/PS3 combined because I know for a fact that just in the US the 360 has never dipped below 100K units and the PS3 sold 86K units almost making 200K and I doubt he Wii sold that much in one month. Not because I don't think they can, but because this shortage is holding the Wii back tremendously.

 

 Don't forget, the Wii has been sold out everywhere since it was launched, if there were more Wii's being manufactured, they would sell more.

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[QUOTE="jedigemini"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]The Wii is still in second place and will not be "obliterating" anything until it is selling double the PS3 and 360 combined per month.DA_B0MB

The Wii sold nearly 100, 000 more than the the 360/PS3 combined in April... sounds like obliteration to me.

Link saying that the Wii has sold more than the 360/PS3 combined because I know for a fact that just in the US the 360 has never dipped below 100K units and the PS3 sold 86K units almost making 200K and I doubt he Wii sold that much in one month. Not because I don't think they can, but because this shortage is holding the Wii back tremendously.

Check the April NDP numbers and stop embarassing yourself.

I'm 100 percent correct.

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[QUOTE="jedigemini"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]The Wii is still in second place and will not be "obliterating" anything until it is selling double the PS3 and 360 combined per month.DA_B0MB

The Wii sold nearly 100, 000 more than the the 360/PS3 combined in April... sounds like obliteration to me.

Link saying that the Wii has sold more than the 360/PS3 combined because I know for a fact that just in the US the 360 has never dipped below 100K units and the PS3 sold 86K units almost making 200K and I doubt he Wii sold that much in one month. Not because I don't think they can, but because this shortage is holding the Wii back tremendously.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6171095.html?q=NPD&tag=result;title;2

NPD April. Wii= 360,000. Ps3/360 combined= 256,000.

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[QUOTE="DA_B0MB"]

[QUOTE="jedigemini"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]The Wii is still in second place and will not be "obliterating" anything until it is selling double the PS3 and 360 combined per month.Super-Mario-Fan

The Wii sold nearly 100, 000 more than the the 360/PS3 combined in April... sounds like obliteration to me.

Link saying that the Wii has sold more than the 360/PS3 combined because I know for a fact that just in the US the 360 has never dipped below 100K units and the PS3 sold 86K units almost making 200K and I doubt he Wii sold that much in one month. Not because I don't think they can, but because this shortage is holding the Wii back tremendously.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6171095.html?q=NPD&tag=result;title;2

NPD April. Wii= 360,000. Ps3/360 combined= 256,000.

 

Ewww, owned.

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http://www.gamespot.com/news/6171095.html?q=NPD&tag=result;title;2

NPD April. Wii= 360,000. Ps3/360 combined= 256,000.

Super-Mario-Fan


:lol:

Oh wow... foot-in-mouth for me.

The Wii is obliterating them.
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Nintendo is releasing high quality games as usual, it is the third parties who are dishing out the garbage. Low budget games allow for independent and very creative developers to make their games and have a chance on the market with the big teams. The Wii is doing something different this generation.... and if this is something bad for industry and MS and Sony follow it, then that is their fault, not the Wii's.foxhound_fox


Interesting.  Here's a post which I also found interesting in this thread...

"They thought it would end up last because of its underpowered graphics, and virtually everybody here cares a great deal about fancy, polished photo-realistic graphics. Their miscalculation, though, was assuming that casuals and non-gamers care about the same things they do."

Why this post interested me is that it shows that people realize that casuals have different interests than "hardcore" gamers...  A group which is mainly composed of gamers like us who populate this forum.

With that in mind, also take note of the oft made claim that the Wii is doing so well because it is capturing the casuals/non-gamers, and that this may well become the Wii's primary market.  About doing something "bad for the industry," I pose a hypothetical situation to you...

The Wii does dominate the industry, and it does so by capturing the casuals in the way many people are predicting now.  Nintendo sees this, so does Sony, and so does MS...  And Sony/MS realize that Nintendo has created a console atmosphere where in order to compete consoles have to be geared towards the casual gamer, not the hardcore - namely, in most of our cases, us.  Is this something that is bad for the industry?  Not necessarily, as it may expand the user base of the industry...  Could it be bad for our interests as "hardcore" gamers?  I mean, what happens if all of the sudden, with the Wii's new casual-heavy audience (a STARK contrast from their audience last gen, an audience which gobbled up games like Metroid Prime) games like Metroid Prime start selling very pooriy, and Mario Party becomes Nintendo's top seller.  What happens if all of the sudden hardcore gamer interests take a distant back seat to appealing to the "casuals"?  How many Mario Parties would you be happy with, and how much of Nintendo's resources would you be happy with being devoted to games like that rather than Metroid Primes or Zeldas?

And would it be Sony/MS's fault?  Well, I think it would be quite the stretch to blame Sony/MS for a series of business choices which were almost entirely Nintendo's, and then being put into a position where they either focus on the casual market to the detriment of the "hardcore" or fail.


Of course, this is a worst case scenario...  But keep in mind, all of you who praise Nintendo so skillfully tapping the casual market.  You are not casual gamers, for the most part, and your interests likely don't completely coincide with theirs.  If Nintendo gets really serious about appealing to the casuals, you may find Nintendo prefers catering to them instead of you, and the industry may follow in their footsteps if the Wii achieves too much of a stranglehold through something like this...

Oh well, out for a bike ride.  Have fun ;)
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[QUOTE="jedigemini"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]The Wii is still in second place and will not be "obliterating" anything until it is selling double the PS3 and 360 combined per month.DA_B0MB

The Wii sold nearly 100, 000 more than the the 360/PS3 combined in April... sounds like obliteration to me.

Link saying that the Wii has sold more than the 360/PS3 combined because I know for a fact that just in the US the 360 has never dipped below 100K units and the PS3 sold 86K units almost making 200K and I doubt he Wii sold that much in one month. Not because I don't think they can, but because this shortage is holding the Wii back tremendously.

Japan my friend, Japan
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[QUOTE="Super-Mario-Fan"][QUOTE="DA_B0MB"]

[QUOTE="jedigemini"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]The Wii is still in second place and will not be "obliterating" anything until it is selling double the PS3 and 360 combined per month.Nagidar

The Wii sold nearly 100, 000 more than the the 360/PS3 combined in April... sounds like obliteration to me.

Link saying that the Wii has sold more than the 360/PS3 combined because I know for a fact that just in the US the 360 has never dipped below 100K units and the PS3 sold 86K units almost making 200K and I doubt he Wii sold that much in one month. Not because I don't think they can, but because this shortage is holding the Wii back tremendously.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6171095.html?q=NPD&tag=result;title;2

NPD April. Wii= 360,000. Ps3/360 combined= 256,000.

 

Ewww, owned.

you sir got DEALT!

 

hope wii can keep up the good sales as have been a nintendo fan all my gaming life :D

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Interesting. Here's a post which I also found interesting in this thread...

"They thought it would end up last because of its underpowered graphics, and virtually everybody here cares a great deal about fancy, polished photo-realistic graphics. Their miscalculation, though, was assuming that casuals and non-gamers care about the same things they do."

rest of the large but great post...
[spoiler] Why this post interested me is that it shows that people realize that casuals have different interests than "hardcore" gamers... A group which is mainly composed of gamers like us who populate this forum.

With that in mind, also take note of the oft made claim that the Wii is doing so well because it is capturing the casuals/non-gamers, and that this may well become the Wii's primary market. About doing something "bad for the industry," I pose a hypothetical situation to you...

The Wii does dominate the industry, and it does so by capturing the casuals in the way many people are predicting now. Nintendo sees this, so does Sony, and so does MS... And Sony/MS realize that Nintendo has created a console atmosphere where in order to compete consoles have to be geared towards the casual gamer, not the hardcore - namely, in most of our cases, us. Is this something that is bad for the industry? Not necessarily, as it may expand the user base of the industry... Could it be bad for our interests as "hardcore" gamers? I mean, what happens if all of the sudden, with the Wii's new casual-heavy audience (a STARK contrast from their audience last gen, an audience which gobbled up games like Metroid Prime) games like Metroid Prime start selling very pooriy, and Mario Party becomes Nintendo's top seller. What happens if all of the sudden hardcore gamer interests take a distant back seat to appealing to the "casuals"? How many Mario Parties would you be happy with, and how much of Nintendo's resources would you be happy with being devoted to games like that rather than Metroid Primes or Zeldas?

And would it be Sony/MS's fault? Well, I think it would be quite the stretch to blame Sony/MS for a series of business choices which were almost entirely Nintendo's, and then being put into a position where they either focus on the casual market to the detriment of the "hardcore" or fail.

Of course, this is a worst case scenario... But keep in mind, all of you who praise Nintendo so skillfully tapping the casual market. You are not casual gamers, for the most part, and your interests likely don't completely coincide with theirs. If Nintendo gets really serious about appealing to the casuals, you may find Nintendo prefers catering to them instead of you, and the industry may follow in their footsteps if the Wii achieves too much of a stranglehold through something like this...

Oh well, out for a bike ride. Have fun ;) [/spoiler] AfterShafter


Excellent point... but the day Nintendo or any company stops making games that appeal to every type of gamer is the day I stop gaming and the world explodes.
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They thought it would end up last because of its underpowered graphics, and virtually everybody here cares a great deal about fancy, polished photo-realistic graphics. Their miscalculation, though, was assuming that casuals and non-gamers care about the same things they do.thinicer

Well said.  Although I'm a pc gamer, IMO a console is to provide ample entertainment for the masses.  Companies like Nintendo and Sega have done well in this department.  Sony also had a knockout with PS1/2.  IMO Microsoft and (recently) Sony has tried to change the appeal of "plug and play" with their latest consoles.  I wouldn't be surprised if they bring more addons to the table.. addons that your average gamer could care less about, hence destroying the purpose.

If it's a media/life center that they want, they should just make a solid dedicated machine.  Sony should make a blu-ray player with media features, file-sharing with pcs, and possibly mini-games like Calling all Cars or something and perhaps more ppl will go for this.  What they've done is monkeyed up something nearly perfect (ps2).  Same goes for X360.

The Wii is just that... FUN!  Truely plug and play like the good old days of NES.  You need not worry about how it will look on this or that tv.. or if you have proper cables.  I personally get a kick out of watching an old school company wipe the floor with such a "plug and play".  Talk about the ultimate negation.  Stickin' it to the man, are we? 

Oh yes, about the photo-realistic graphics.  Here's a clue for consoles.. IT DOESN'T WORK LIKE THAT.  For the 5-25% of graphic whores (that buy consoles) out there, pcs will overtake all consoles by the end of this year and soon pretty much all multiplats will look painfully better on your midrange pc.  There will be games that no way in hell could be done on a console shortly so why even bother?  All this fuss for 1-2 years of braggin' rights that will lead an even longer road of trailing behind pcs (as usual) in this department.  I'm not saying consoles can't produce an extremely nice picture.  I'm just saying they lose track of it's original purpose of plug and play... and for what?  To hit a brick wall?  Unless consoles start having upgradable parts, it is a brick wall.  So why not act like it (Wii).

The above is of course all IMO so thanks for tuning in!

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Excellent point... but the day Nintendo or any company stops making games that appeal to every type of gamer is the day I stop gaming and the world explodes.foxhound_fox


I'm inclined to agree...  Though, I do worry somewhat that Nintendo's focus on the MP's and the like may wane a bit if they get a super-casual heavy console audience.  Anyways, I'm really gone now ;)
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[QUOTE="DA_B0MB"]

[QUOTE="jedigemini"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]The Wii is still in second place and will not be "obliterating" anything until it is selling double the PS3 and 360 combined per month.Super-Mario-Fan

The Wii sold nearly 100, 000 more than the the 360/PS3 combined in April... sounds like obliteration to me.

Link saying that the Wii has sold more than the 360/PS3 combined because I know for a fact that just in the US the 360 has never dipped below 100K units and the PS3 sold 86K units almost making 200K and I doubt he Wii sold that much in one month. Not because I don't think they can, but because this shortage is holding the Wii back tremendously.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6171095.html?q=NPD&tag=result;title;2

NPD April. Wii= 360,000. Ps3/360 combined= 256,000.

Thank you, I came back here to apologize after I checked the sales numbers myself. I didn't recall the Wii selling that many units, once again my apologies. I still think that the TC is an arrogant fanboy that is an embarassment to sheep though.

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[QUOTE="Super-Mario-Fan"][QUOTE="DA_B0MB"]

[QUOTE="jedigemini"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]The Wii is still in second place and will not be "obliterating" anything until it is selling double the PS3 and 360 combined per month.DA_B0MB

The Wii sold nearly 100, 000 more than the the 360/PS3 combined in April... sounds like obliteration to me.

Link saying that the Wii has sold more than the 360/PS3 combined because I know for a fact that just in the US the 360 has never dipped below 100K units and the PS3 sold 86K units almost making 200K and I doubt he Wii sold that much in one month. Not because I don't think they can, but because this shortage is holding the Wii back tremendously.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6171095.html?q=NPD&tag=result;title;2

NPD April. Wii= 360,000. Ps3/360 combined= 256,000.

Thank you, I came back here to apologize after I checked the sales numbers myself. I didn't recall the Wii selling that many units, once again my apologies. I still think that the TC is an arrogant fanboy that is an embarassment to sheep though.

 

When you add Japan things become even better for the Wii 

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I don't know if anyone else thinks like me, but this is what I believe will happen. Lemmings and sheep seem to hate the fact that nintendo is opening up the market of video games to "non-gamers." I always imagined that what will end up happening is that nintendo will get these people interested in video games with the minigames that they seem to enjoy. But then they will get tired of minigames and will try out more difficult games. And eventually all these nongamers will be playing the more "harcore" games. Thusly Nintendo isn't just opening up the market for "non-gamers" but in a sense is creating a larger group of harcore gamers. Does any of this make sense or am I just pulling this out of my ass.
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correction: i meant "Lemmings and cows" not sheep
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I can't believe that the Wii is technologically, hardware, and Network inferior and yet there's more people who want to play it? It's truely a baffler indeed!
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ofc it´s selling it´s cheap, if the ps3 was 250$ it would be completly destroying the competition in sales, but guess what I don´t give a **** about sales, I want games, and the wii is wasy behind in that department, and thats where it´s important

 

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I'm inclined to agree... Though, I do worry somewhat that Nintendo's focus on the MP's and the like may wane a bit if they get a super-casual heavy console audience. Anyways, I'm really gone now ;)AfterShafter


Metroid Prime or Mario Party? :P

Nintendo has released many great games for the DS, both "casual friendly" and "hardcore friendly." I don't think they are ever going to "focus" on the minigames for the sole reason that the Wii alone is making them hundreds of millions of dollars and they don't "need" to do that in order to make money.

ofc it´s selling it´s cheap, if the ps3 was 250$ it would be completly destroying the competition in sales, but guess what I don´t give a **** about sales, I want games, and the wii is wasy behind in that department, and thats where it´s importantEddie-Vedder



The Gamecube was cheap as well... did it sell as well as the Wii? As for games... it all depends on your taste in games... don't make me get out the list.

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#29 Rudy25
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Some stubborn people here on SW need to realize that the game market is much bigger than all the 20 year old males that hang out here.Super-Mario-Fan

You woulnd't have your precious little games if it wasn' for us 20 something year olds.

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I find it embarrassing that you support the same console as I do >_>